Re: [MBZ] 1987 6.2 Diesel GMC Suburban ONLY 3 owners $2800

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

yeah,

I recently pulled 8000 lb of concrete and a trailer with the gran 
caravat.  very slow and long spacing.  I did it but don't recommend it.


I've also had the quarry dump 4-5 tons on a 1 1/2 ton truck and made the 
trip.


I don't recommend either.  It is MUCH more pleasant to have a load that 
is under the rated capacity.


If I had a pickup, I'd rather have a 1 ton flatbed or multiuse (yuro style)

If I was pulling a 40-50' equip trailer, a real truck is much safer than 
a peekup to pull the thing.





fmiser wrote:



You are re-enforcing my argument - Thanks!

I have done stupid things too. *smiles*   And so far, survived
them all.



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Re: [MBZ] 1987 6.2 Diesel GMC Suburban ONLY 3 owners $2800

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> > > Randy wrote:
> > >
> > > If you really need the 3/4 ton, then you must work it pretty
> > > hard.  

> > fmiser wrote:
> >
> > I do.  If I never hitched a trailer to it, my 1/2 ton would
> > just be enough - but it has the towing package and so has
> > heavier brakes and suspension.
> > 
> > As soon as the trailer is big enough to have more than one
> > axle, the heavy 3/4 ton is much better suited to the task. 

> Curt wrote:

> Heck I hauled a 2 axle trailer with a 4500# tractor 300 miles
> with a v8 Dakota! It was right on the limit of what that truck
> could safely handle.

You are re-enforcing my argument - Thanks!

I have done stupid things too. *smiles*   And so far, survived
them all.

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Re: [MBZ] 1987 6.2 Diesel GMC Suburban ONLY 3 owners $2800

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

It might just be the next body diesel suburban 94-99, in the half ton they are 
basically the same as the 3/4 ton

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On Mar 23, 2017, at 2:46 PM, fmiser via Mercedes  wrote:

> fmiser wrote:
> 
> It's a half-ton.  That's a pretty heavy mark against it for
> what I do.  
> 
 Kaleb wrote:  
 
 Well with these the half ton is still got the 3/4 ton parts
 under it.   
> 
>>> fmiser wrote:
>>> 
>>> Really?  
>>> 
>>> ...the 4wd half ton and the 2wd 3/4 ton that I can compare
>>> sure don't have the same parts underneath.  The 3/4 ton has
>>> bigger brakes, bigger springs, bigger differential, bigger
>>> wheels.
> 
>> Kaleb wrote:
> 
>> Is your half ton a diesel?
> 
> One of 'em.  It's chassis is a lot like a 1/2 gasoline. 
> 
> I think there is a light and a heavy 3/4 ton - at least in '85.
> The heavy 3/4 ton I have is more like a 1 ton.
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 6.2 Diesel GMC Suburban ONLY 3 owners $2800

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Heck I hauled a 2 axle trailer with a 4500# tractor 300 miles with a v8 Dakota!
It was right on the limit of what that truck could safely handle. If the 
weather hadn't been perfect I wouldn't have attempted it. Good trailer brakes, 
long following distances and low speeds. Still we pulled it off without even a 
close call.
-Curt

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> > fmiser wrote:
> >
> > It's a half-ton.  That's a pretty heavy mark against it for
> > what I do.  

> Randy wrote:
>
> If you really need the 3/4 ton, then you must work it pretty
> hard.

I do.  If I never hitched a trailer to it, my 1/2 ton would just
be enough - but it has the towing package and so has heavier
brakes and suspension.

As soon as the trailer is big enough to have more than one axle,
the heavy 3/4 ton is much better suited to the task. 


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Re: [MBZ] 1987 6.2 Diesel GMC Suburban ONLY 3 owners $2800

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> > fmiser wrote:
> >
> > It's a half-ton.  That's a pretty heavy mark against it for
> > what I do.  

> Randy wrote:
>
> If you really need the 3/4 ton, then you must work it pretty
> hard.

I do.  If I never hitched a trailer to it, my 1/2 ton would just
be enough - but it has the towing package and so has heavier
brakes and suspension.

As soon as the trailer is big enough to have more than one axle,
the heavy 3/4 ton is much better suited to the task. 


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Re: [MBZ] 1987 6.2 Diesel GMC Suburban ONLY 3 owners $2800

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> > > > fmiser wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > It's a half-ton.  That's a pretty heavy mark against it for
> > > > what I do.  
   
> > > Kaleb wrote:  
> > >  
> > > Well with these the half ton is still got the 3/4 ton parts
> > > under it.   

> > fmiser wrote:
> >
> > Really?  
> > 
> > ...the 4wd half ton and the 2wd 3/4 ton that I can compare
> > sure don't have the same parts underneath.  The 3/4 ton has
> > bigger brakes, bigger springs, bigger differential, bigger
> > wheels.

> Kaleb wrote:

> Is your half ton a diesel?

One of 'em.  It's chassis is a lot like a 1/2 gasoline. 

I think there is a light and a heavy 3/4 ton - at least in '85.
The heavy 3/4 ton I have is more like a 1 ton.

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Re: [MBZ] 1987 6.2 Diesel GMC Suburban ONLY 3 owners $2800

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On 21/03/2017 11:42 AM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:

Craig wrote:
  
It looks very nice. Fairly far south in Texas.
   

Curley wrote:
  
If I wanted one that would be the kind I'd look for.

fmiser wrote:

It's a half-ton.  That's a pretty heavy mark against it for
what I do.

Kaleb wrote:
Well with these the half ton is still got the 3/4 ton parts
under it.

Really?

I don't have a diesel 1/2 ton 2wd to compare, but the 4wd half
ton and the 2wd 3/4 ton that I can compare sure don't have the
same parts underneath.  The 3/4 ton has bigger brakes, bigger
springs, bigger differential, bigger wheels.

___

If you really need the 3/4 ton, then you must work it pretty hard.
I had an 86 Chevy Suburban - 2WD 1/2 ton  with the last of the 4bbl 
350's and it served me well for the better part of 10 years.
The 700R4 transmission was trouble but most everything else was 
reasonably bullet proof. Some rust but I had it repaired and painted and 
it was still solid when I sold it.
I got $3300 for it around Christmas time in 2000 with about 200K miles 
on it. Engine did not use oil. Interior was still pretty decent. I had 
the front seat repadded but the upholstery was original.
Mine was a Silverado so decent trim level and 3 cloth bench seats. Red 
with the Cream stripe down the sides and a tan interior. Rear air which 
reminds me that the AC was troublesome too. I kept it going but spent a 
lot of cash doing so. The lines that fed the rear air were aluminum and 
road salt would eat them. After the 2nd replacement, I used rubber 
belting to make shields for them under the vehicle and sprayed them with 
oil each fall in an effort to prevent damage. Seemed to help as the last 
set was still in there when I sold it.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] 1987 6.2 Diesel GMC Suburban ONLY 3 owners $2800

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Is your half ton a diesel?

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On Mar 21, 2017, at 11:42 AM, fmiser via Mercedes  wrote:

> Craig wrote:  
> 
> It looks very nice. Fairly far south in Texas.  
> 
 Curley wrote:  
 
 If I wanted one that would be the kind I'd look for.  
> 
>>> fmiser wrote:
>>> 
>>> It's a half-ton.  That's a pretty heavy mark against it for
>>> what I do.
> 
>> Kaleb wrote:
> 
>> Well with these the half ton is still got the 3/4 ton parts
>> under it. 
> 
> Really?  
> 
> I don't have a diesel 1/2 ton 2wd to compare, but the 4wd half
> ton and the 2wd 3/4 ton that I can compare sure don't have the
> same parts underneath.  The 3/4 ton has bigger brakes, bigger
> springs, bigger differential, bigger wheels.
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 6.2 Diesel GMC Suburban ONLY 3 owners $2800

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> > > > Craig wrote:  
> > > >  
> > > > It looks very nice. Fairly far south in Texas.  
  
> > > Curley wrote:  
> > >  
> > > If I wanted one that would be the kind I'd look for.  

> > fmiser wrote:
> >
> > It's a half-ton.  That's a pretty heavy mark against it for
> > what I do.

> Kaleb wrote:

> Well with these the half ton is still got the 3/4 ton parts
> under it. 

Really?  

I don't have a diesel 1/2 ton 2wd to compare, but the 4wd half
ton and the 2wd 3/4 ton that I can compare sure don't have the
same parts underneath.  The 3/4 ton has bigger brakes, bigger
springs, bigger differential, bigger wheels.

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Re: [MBZ] 1987 6.2 Diesel GMC Suburban ONLY 3 owners $2800

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Well with these the half ton is still got the 3/4 ton parts under it. 

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On Mar 21, 2017, at 2:15 AM, fmiser via Mercedes  wrote:

>>> Craig wrote:
> 
>>> It looks very nice. Fairly far south in Texas.
> 
>> Curley wrote:
> 
>> If I wanted one that would be the kind I'd look for.
> 
> It's a half-ton.  That's a pretty heavy mark against it for what I
> do.
> 
> No pictures of the engine compartment.
> 
> The glow plug system on these is not so great.  To increase the
> appeal to "normal" drives who can't bear the thought of waiting
> for a proper glow cycle, these shipped with "fast" glow plugs that
> will burn out and swell pretty easily.  So there is a controller
> that is supposed to keep the glow plugs from burning out.  
> 
> The best option is to replace the originals with AC60G, which is
> the appropriate voltage for the system - but it doesn't heat up as
> fast so the controller shuts it off early.
> 
> Best option, I think, is a manual button.  The controller can be
> easily modified to be triggered by a small, low current switch.
> 
> All that to say, "new glow plugs" may - or may not - be a feature.
> 
> It has the third seat, so will seat 8 adults.
> 
> New oil cooler lines is good.
> 
> The transmission is almost certainly a 700R4.  By '87 those are
> pretty good, but rarely last more than 150-200k miles.
> 
> Front end rebuild parts are worth at least $400.
> 
> Barn doors in the back.  That means there isn't an opening window,
> and they can bang into cars, trees, walls.  But also they operate
> a lot longer than a tailgate does after rust invades.
> 
> It looks like it has the rear air conditioner unit.
> 
> The 3rd seat appears to have the side seat belt buckle supports intact!
> 
> Looks pretty good - if a '1/2 ton is suitable.
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 6.2 Diesel GMC Suburban ONLY 3 owners $2800

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> > Craig wrote:

> > It looks very nice. Fairly far south in Texas.

> Curley wrote:

> If I wanted one that would be the kind I'd look for.

It's a half-ton.  That's a pretty heavy mark against it for what I
do.

No pictures of the engine compartment.

The glow plug system on these is not so great.  To increase the
appeal to "normal" drives who can't bear the thought of waiting
for a proper glow cycle, these shipped with "fast" glow plugs that
will burn out and swell pretty easily.  So there is a controller
that is supposed to keep the glow plugs from burning out.  

The best option is to replace the originals with AC60G, which is
the appropriate voltage for the system - but it doesn't heat up as
fast so the controller shuts it off early.

Best option, I think, is a manual button.  The controller can be
easily modified to be triggered by a small, low current switch.

All that to say, "new glow plugs" may - or may not - be a feature.

It has the third seat, so will seat 8 adults.

New oil cooler lines is good.

The transmission is almost certainly a 700R4.  By '87 those are
pretty good, but rarely last more than 150-200k miles.

Front end rebuild parts are worth at least $400.

Barn doors in the back.  That means there isn't an opening window,
and they can bang into cars, trees, walls.  But also they operate
a lot longer than a tailgate does after rust invades.

It looks like it has the rear air conditioner unit.

The 3rd seat appears to have the side seat belt buckle supports intact!

Looks pretty good - if a '1/2 ton is suitable.

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Re: [MBZ] 1987 6.2 Diesel GMC Suburban ONLY 3 owners $2800

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Andrew wrote:

> I thought the GM diesels of that vintage were problematic. At
> best.

Nope.  Very good engines.  Not like an OM617, but a dependable and
durable engine that pulls like a 350 cid small block with a 4
barrel - but gets more than 50% better fuel mileage.

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Re: [MBZ] 1987 6.2 Diesel GMC Suburban ONLY 3 owners $2800

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Could it have the infamous diesel engine that caused Cadillac owners of that 
era to form an organization for the purpose of making GM compensate them for 
their bad Caddies? Some of the engines held up; some didn't. A friend had one 
of the bad Caddies and I think GM finally bought it back.
~
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> I thought the GM diesels of that vintage were problematic. At best.
> 
> On Mar 18, 2017 3:55 AM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
> > If it were 4wd I'd be drooling...
> > Curt
> >
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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> > I'd look for.
> >
> > > Craig via Mercedes 
> > > March 17, 2017 at 9:41 PM
> > > On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:48:56 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> > >
> > > It looks very nice. Fairly far south in Texas.
> > >
> > > Are you thinking about getting a Suburban?
> > >
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 6.2 Diesel GMC Suburban ONLY 3 owners $2800

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Yes banks and others even made turbo kits for the 6.2. Would be fun to find
one.

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> You thought wrong
>
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> > On Mar 18, 2017, at 5:26 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I thought the GM diesels of that vintage were problematic. At best.
> >
> > On Mar 18, 2017 3:55 AM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> If it were 4wd I'd be drooling...
> >> Curt
> >>
> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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> >>  On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 7:44 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes<
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   If I wanted one that would be the kind
> >> I'd look for.
> >>
> >>> Craig via Mercedes 
> >>> March 17, 2017 at 9:41 PM
> >>> On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:48:56 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> >>>
> >>> It looks very nice. Fairly far south in Texas.
> >>>
> >>> Are you thinking about getting a Suburban?
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 6.2 Diesel GMC Suburban ONLY 3 owners $2800

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You thought wrong 

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> On Mar 18, 2017, at 5:26 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> I thought the GM diesels of that vintage were problematic. At best.
> 
> On Mar 18, 2017 3:55 AM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
> 
>> If it were 4wd I'd be drooling...
>> Curt
>> 
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   If I wanted one that would be the kind
>> I'd look for.
>> 
>>> Craig via Mercedes 
>>> March 17, 2017 at 9:41 PM
>>> On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:48:56 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>>> 
>>> It looks very nice. Fairly far south in Texas.
>>> 
>>> Are you thinking about getting a Suburban?
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 6.2 Diesel GMC Suburban ONLY 3 owners $2800

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

You're thinking of the early diesels, pre-82 or so, 5.7l and 4.3l, the 6.2 has 
a very good reputation.
Curt

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If it were 4wd I'd be drooling...
Curt

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kind I'd look for.

> Craig via Mercedes 
> March 17, 2017 at 9:41 PM
> On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:48:56 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>
> It looks very nice. Fairly far south in Texas.
>
> Are you thinking about getting a Suburban?
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 6.2 Diesel GMC Suburban ONLY 3 owners $2800

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I thought the GM diesels of that vintage were problematic. At best.

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> If it were 4wd I'd be drooling...
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> > March 17, 2017 at 9:41 PM
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> >
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 6.2 Diesel GMC Suburban ONLY 3 owners $2800

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

If it were 4wd I'd be drooling...
Curt

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  On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 7:44 PM, Curley McLain via 
Mercedes wrote:   If I wanted one that would be the kind 
I'd look for.

> Craig via Mercedes 
> March 17, 2017 at 9:41 PM
> On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:48:56 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
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> It looks very nice. Fairly far south in Texas.
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> Are you thinking about getting a Suburban?
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> Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 1987 6.2 Diesel GMC Suburban ONLY 3 owners $2800

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

If I wanted one that would be the kind I'd look for.


Craig via Mercedes 
March 17, 2017 at 9:41 PM
On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:48:56 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes

It looks very nice. Fairly far south in Texas.

Are you thinking about getting a Suburban?


Craig


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Re: [MBZ] 1987 6.2 Diesel GMC Suburban ONLY 3 owners $2800

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:48:56 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
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> 
> 
> 1987 6.2 Diesel GMC Suburban ONLY 3 owners
> http://houston.craigslist.org/cto/6045138246.html

It looks very nice. Fairly far south in Texas.

Are you thinking about getting a Suburban?


Craig

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