Re: [MBZ] 211 to buy?

2014-07-25 Thread John Reames via Mercedes
Two for two.

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On Jul 24, 2014, at 21:57, Fmiser via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 John Reames wrote:
 
 I understand the service techs see the v6 models more, and that
 they are runflat/def models...
 
 WILTON wrote:
 
 runflat/def?
 
 I'm Guessing DEF means Diesel Exhaust Fluid - or Blutech.
 Runflat I suppose refers to no spare tire as the installed tires
 are run-flat models.
 
 But I'm just guessing...
 
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Re: [MBZ] 211 to buy?

2014-07-25 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

John Reames via Mercedes wrote:

Two for two.


So the pee tank is where the spare belongs on a W211?
Does the 212 have a spare tire?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 211 to buy?

2014-07-25 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

ned kleinhenz via Mercedes wrote:


After seeing what my son and my fellow workers experienced, I avoid
run-flats like the plague.  They cost a lot, don't wear very long and
handle terribly. In exchange for those draw backs, after loosing its air, a
run flat will go 50 miles before self destructing.   Give me a spare (even
a compact spare) any day.


I was looking at a Cobalt XFE around 2008 or so.
Standard equipment was a can of Fix-A-Flat type stuff.
Optional equipment was a compact spare for $70 or so.

Annoying, but I'd rather have a tire inflator in a can than run flat tires.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 211 to buy?

2014-07-25 Thread John Reames via Mercedes
No bluetec has a spare to my knowledge; all of them need the aqueous urea 
injection system (50 state compliance?) 

I suppose it makes sense to steal the spare tire area for the tank; it makes 
little sense for MB to design a chassis with yet another area for a large-ish 
tank...

Also don't the bluetecs have an expensive-ish diesel particulate filter that is 
essentially a consumable?

As far as run-flats, I'd hope they also shipped with a smart type inflator and 
goo-injector system to (attempt) to seal a punctured tire...

I also wonder if it would make any sense to just toss slime in the tire ahead 
of time...

Or go back to tubing the tires (I actually did that with the tires on my 
pressure washer...)

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 John Reames via Mercedes wrote:
 Two for two.
 
 So the pee tank is where the spare belongs on a W211?
 Does the 212 have a spare tire?
 
 Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 211 to buy?

2014-07-24 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

WILTON via Mercedes wrote:

After 50 years with at least 2 cars in the yard and coming and going very 
independently, SWMBO and I have made it through the last year reasonably well 
with only one car, the '87 300D, but there have been several times one of us 
had to cancel appointments or juggle activities to accommodate the other.  I 
also stay fearful that I'm gonna be off somewhere and stay too long or forget 
that SWMBO needs the car.  'Been 2 or 3 times, too, when she stayed away too 
long and made me late,  but I haven't said anything about it.
  
'Might be looking for a 211.  What years were 211 CDI's?  Maybe, even an E350, though somewhat blasphemous.  ;)


IIRC, RLE (RIP) used to say not to touch the 2003-2005 models.
Also, IIRC, Jaime was more lenient.

I know there was a CDI in 2005, I have an electronic variable turbo from one 
that I bought for a OM602 project that never happened. I'm pretty sure that all 
later years had a CDI or pee diesel available. Not so sure about 2003-2004.


Anybody remember different, or claim to know more than those guys?
I certainly have no personal knowledge of anything post 210.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 211 to buy?

2014-07-24 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Weren't these built during the Daimler/Chrysler time frame? (bad)

Dan

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 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 WILTON via Mercedes wrote:
 After 50 years with at least 2 cars in the yard and coming and going very 
 independently, SWMBO and I have made it through the last year reasonably 
 well with only one car, the '87 300D, but there have been several times one 
 of us had to cancel appointments or juggle activities to accommodate the 
 other.  I also stay fearful that I'm gonna be off somewhere and stay too 
 long or forget that SWMBO needs the car.  'Been 2 or 3 times, too, when she 
 stayed away too long and made me late,  but I haven't said anything about it.
  'Might be looking for a 211.  What years were 211 CDI's?  Maybe, even an 
 E350, though somewhat blasphemous.  ;)
 
 IIRC, RLE (RIP) used to say not to touch the 2003-2005 models.
 Also, IIRC, Jaime was more lenient.
 
 I know there was a CDI in 2005, I have an electronic variable turbo from one 
 that I bought for a OM602 project that never happened. I'm pretty sure that 
 all later years had a CDI or pee diesel available. Not so sure about 
 2003-2004.
 
 Anybody remember different, or claim to know more than those guys?
 I certainly have no personal knowledge of anything post 210.
 
 Mitch.
 
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Re: [MBZ] 211 to buy?

2014-07-24 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
I've heard only good things about MB diesel sedans from 2005 and newer.
Some really think the early cars with the straight six engine is better, I
would get the best example of the newest car I could afford, if I were in
that market.

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] 211 to buy?

2014-07-24 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
If you are considering a diesel from the Blu era, and if you expect your money 
to outlive you and your spouse, how about a e250 (actually a e210 by engine 
displacement)?

Then you know it really will be in showroom condition.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 211 to buy?

2014-07-24 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
Yes sweet. I saw one at stealer few weeks ago.60k USD. GLK 250 might be
better deal for 39k.
On Jul 24, 2014 10:49 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
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 If you are considering a diesel from the Blu era, and if you expect your
 money to outlive you and your spouse, how about a e250 (actually a e210 by
 engine displacement)?
 Then you know it really will be in showroom condition.

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Re: [MBZ] 211 to buy?

2014-07-24 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
From the StarTekInfo site, the E320 211 CDI (211.026, with 648.961 inline
6 engine), was produced from 2004 to 2006.

The E320 211 Bluetec began production 2007, 211.022, with 642.920 v6
engine.  It looks like production ran through 2009, and then the 212 model
was introduced in 2010.

-Max
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Re: [MBZ] 211 to buy?

2014-07-24 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

Thnx.

Wilt

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From the StarTekInfo site, the E320 211 CDI (211.026, with 648.961 
inline

6 engine), was produced from 2004 to 2006.

The E320 211 Bluetec began production 2007, 211.022, with 642.920 v6
engine.  It looks like production ran through 2009, and then the 212 model
was introduced in 2010.

-Max
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Re: [MBZ] 211 to buy?

2014-07-24 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
BTW, I shoulda bought Angelo Giaimo's friend's '91 350SDL with MB crate 
engine.  Procrastinated coupla days too long.


Wilton

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From the StarTekInfo site, the E320 211 CDI (211.026, with 648.961 
inline

6 engine), was produced from 2004 to 2006.

The E320 211 Bluetec began production 2007, 211.022, with 642.920 v6
engine.  It looks like production ran through 2009, and then the 212 model
was introduced in 2010.

-Max
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Re: [MBZ] 211 to buy?

2014-07-24 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
They sure don't produce a particular engine for very long

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 On Jul 24, 2014, at 10:37 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 From the StarTekInfo site, the E320 211 CDI (211.026, with 648.961 inline
 6 engine), was produced from 2004 to 2006.
 
 The E320 211 Bluetec began production 2007, 211.022, with 642.920 v6
 engine.  It looks like production ran through 2009, and then the 212 model
 was introduced in 2010.
 
 -Max
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Re: [MBZ] 211 to buy?

2014-07-24 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
After I close on my 20 acre ranch next month I'm going to be looking to replace 
the GL I had to sell in order to put the real estate deal together. Thought I 
want another gl, them maybe a diesel ml, but am thinking about a 05-06 e320 
cdi, they are cheaper too

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 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 In my search, last year,  for a CDI, I found mostly 2005 model year
 available, with a few of the almost identical 2006's also around.   These
 straight 6 models were also made in 2004 and probably earlier.  But I'm not
 sure the CDI's were available in North America before 2005.
 
 In 2007 through 2009 they went to the Blue-Tech V-6 engine, which are
 supposed to be very nice, but certainly more expensive.
 
 The straight six's of 2005-06 seem bullet-proof and powerful.  But this car
 also has SBC brakes, which is an electronically controlled braking system
 of controversial reliability.  The post 2007's have a more conventional
 braking system.  I remember the Chrysler affiliation ending in 2006.
 
 I bought a 2006 CDI, with 100k mi, last October.  So far I'm really glad I
 bought it.  It is the nicest and by far the fasted MB diesel I've owned in
 my 30 years of driving 123 and 124 diesels.  I often get better than 40 mpg
 on highway.  And the electronic brakes are amazingly effective.  So far, in
 25k+ miles, I've had no problems.  I've owned Chryslers before, and this MB
 has done nothing Chrysler like to me yet.
 
 I did a fair amount of research before buying one.  Found the gasoline
 versions of the W211 were plagued with engine failures and other problems
 causing prices noticeably lower than the diesel models.  But almost every
 consumer who reviewed their diesel loved it.
 
 I'm sure YMMV.
 Just my $0.02 worth,
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Re: [MBZ] 211 to buy?

2014-07-24 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

Thnx.

Wilt

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Subject: [MBZ] 211 to buy?



In my search, last year,  for a CDI, I found mostly 2005 model year
available, with a few of the almost identical 2006's also around.   These
straight 6 models were also made in 2004 and probably earlier.  But I'm 
not

sure the CDI's were available in North America before 2005.

In 2007 through 2009 they went to the Blue-Tech V-6 engine, which are
supposed to be very nice, but certainly more expensive.

The straight six's of 2005-06 seem bullet-proof and powerful.  But this 
car

also has SBC brakes, which is an electronically controlled braking system
of controversial reliability.  The post 2007's have a more conventional
braking system.  I remember the Chrysler affiliation ending in 2006.

I bought a 2006 CDI, with 100k mi, last October.  So far I'm really glad I
bought it.  It is the nicest and by far the fasted MB diesel I've owned in
my 30 years of driving 123 and 124 diesels.  I often get better than 40 
mpg
on highway.  And the electronic brakes are amazingly effective.  So far, 
in
25k+ miles, I've had no problems.  I've owned Chryslers before, and this 
MB

has done nothing Chrysler like to me yet.

I did a fair amount of research before buying one.  Found the gasoline
versions of the W211 were plagued with engine failures and other problems
causing prices noticeably lower than the diesel models.  But almost every
consumer who reviewed their diesel loved it.

I'm sure YMMV.
Just my $0.02 worth,
Ned Kleinhenz
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Re: [MBZ] 211 to buy?

2014-07-24 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
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 After I close on my 20 acre ranch next month


Wow! How *many* old MBs are you going to have to buy to fill up 20
acres?


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Re: [MBZ] 211 to buy?

2014-07-24 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
This is what you need to replace the GL --
http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/cto/4545979575.html


On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 After I close on my 20 acre ranch next month I'm going to be looking to
 replace the GL I had to sell in order to put the real estate deal together.
 Thought I want another gl, them maybe a diesel ml, but am thinking about a
 05-06 e320 cdi, they are cheaper too





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Re: [MBZ] 211 to buy?

2014-07-24 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
That's what he needs, he's gonna get in on that deal to foster the 
illegal kids coming over the border, he can put them to work on his 
20acres and haul them around in it.  That'll hold 20 or 30 judging by 
what I saw in Houston.


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This is what you need to replace the GL --
http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/cto/4545979575.html


On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


After I close on my 20 acre ranch next month I'm going to be looking to
replace the GL I had to sell in order to put the real estate deal together.
Thought I want another gl, them maybe a diesel ml, but am thinking about a
05-06 e320 cdi, they are cheaper too








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Re: [MBZ] 211 to buy?

2014-07-24 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
So are you going to host a Okie-Benz-Q in celebration?

I'll be in St Louis area weekend of 23 August for a wedding, not too far of
a drive I think, why don't you throw a Q on the 24th?

-Max




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mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 After I close on my 20 acre ranch next month ...

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Re: [MBZ] 211 to buy?

2014-07-24 Thread John Reames via Mercedes
I understand the service techs see the v6 models more, and that they are 
runflat/def models...

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 On Jul 24, 2014, at 13:59, ned kleinhenz via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 In my search, last year,  for a CDI, I found mostly 2005 model year
 available, with a few of the almost identical 2006's also around.   These
 straight 6 models were also made in 2004 and probably earlier.  But I'm not
 sure the CDI's were available in North America before 2005.
 
 In 2007 through 2009 they went to the Blue-Tech V-6 engine, which are
 supposed to be very nice, but certainly more expensive.
 
 The straight six's of 2005-06 seem bullet-proof and powerful.  But this car
 also has SBC brakes, which is an electronically controlled braking system
 of controversial reliability.  The post 2007's have a more conventional
 braking system.  I remember the Chrysler affiliation ending in 2006.
 
 I bought a 2006 CDI, with 100k mi, last October.  So far I'm really glad I
 bought it.  It is the nicest and by far the fasted MB diesel I've owned in
 my 30 years of driving 123 and 124 diesels.  I often get better than 40 mpg
 on highway.  And the electronic brakes are amazingly effective.  So far, in
 25k+ miles, I've had no problems.  I've owned Chryslers before, and this MB
 has done nothing Chrysler like to me yet.
 
 I did a fair amount of research before buying one.  Found the gasoline
 versions of the W211 were plagued with engine failures and other problems
 causing prices noticeably lower than the diesel models.  But almost every
 consumer who reviewed their diesel loved it.
 
 I'm sure YMMV.
 Just my $0.02 worth,
 Ned Kleinhenz
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Re: [MBZ] 211 to buy?

2014-07-24 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

runflat/def?

Wilton

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Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 211 to buy?


I understand the service techs see the v6 models more, and that they are 
runflat/def models...


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On Jul 24, 2014, at 13:59, ned kleinhenz via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


In my search, last year,  for a CDI, I found mostly 2005 model year
available, with a few of the almost identical 2006's also around.   These
straight 6 models were also made in 2004 and probably earlier.  But I'm 
not

sure the CDI's were available in North America before 2005.

In 2007 through 2009 they went to the Blue-Tech V-6 engine, which are
supposed to be very nice, but certainly more expensive.

The straight six's of 2005-06 seem bullet-proof and powerful.  But this 
car

also has SBC brakes, which is an electronically controlled braking system
of controversial reliability.  The post 2007's have a more conventional
braking system.  I remember the Chrysler affiliation ending in 2006.

I bought a 2006 CDI, with 100k mi, last October.  So far I'm really glad 
I
bought it.  It is the nicest and by far the fasted MB diesel I've owned 
in
my 30 years of driving 123 and 124 diesels.  I often get better than 40 
mpg
on highway.  And the electronic brakes are amazingly effective.  So far, 
in
25k+ miles, I've had no problems.  I've owned Chryslers before, and this 
MB

has done nothing Chrysler like to me yet.

I did a fair amount of research before buying one.  Found the gasoline
versions of the W211 were plagued with engine failures and other problems
causing prices noticeably lower than the diesel models.  But almost every
consumer who reviewed their diesel loved it.

I'm sure YMMV.
Just my $0.02 worth,
Ned Kleinhenz
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Re: [MBZ] 211 to buy?

2014-07-24 Thread Fmiser via Mercedes
  John Reames wrote:
  
  I understand the service techs see the v6 models more, and that
  they are runflat/def models...

 WILTON wrote:
 
 runflat/def?

I'm Guessing DEF means Diesel Exhaust Fluid - or Blutech.
Runflat I suppose refers to no spare tire as the installed tires
are run-flat models.

But I'm just guessing...

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