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Re: [MBZ] 220D

2024-05-09 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes

Way too much crack, horrible aftermarket seat covers. 

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Re: [MBZ] 220D

2024-05-09 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

I wonder if AT was an extra cost option back in 1969...

Offer $5k

Steam clean interior

Flip on BAT for $10k.

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> Interesting if it's not rusted. Manual transmission, no AC, velour seat
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Re: [MBZ] 220D

2024-05-09 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes

Interesting if it's not rusted. Manual transmission, no AC, velour seat panels. 
Grey market car? Interior needs a little TLC.

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Re: [MBZ] 220D With a 240D Engine, Tranny Swap.....What?

2023-12-28 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes

> I didn’t think those things would fit in there.

A 250 is an I6.  I'm sure any I4 could fit instead.

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Re: [MBZ] 220D With a 240D Engine, Tranny Swap.....What?

2023-12-28 Thread Robert Rentfro via Mercedes

250…sorry, I miss read. Sent from Mail for Windows From: Robert RentfroSent: Thursday, December 28, 2023 8:19 AMTo: Buggered Benzmail via MercedesSubject: 220D With a 240D Engine, Tranny Swap.What? https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/787536163209332/ I didn’t think those things would fit in there. AZBob Sent from Mail for Windows  

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Re: [MBZ] 220D

2023-11-24 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes

That’s the sort of car that would be fun to build a rat rod using newer 
drivetrain and suspension and stuff. Lot of work but could be cool. 

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Re: [MBZ] 220D

2023-11-24 Thread Michael Esh via Mercedes

Looks like a stick shift in the pics. 
Michael E. Esh


> On Nov 24, 2023, at 1:58 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
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> I think they’re better off sending that thing to the crusher, unfortunately.
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> -D
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Re: [MBZ] 220D

2023-11-24 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes

I think they’re better off sending that thing to the crusher, unfortunately.

-D

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Re: [MBZ] 220D 4 speed manual 1970 Mercedes-Benz Mercedes-Benz 300 D Sedan 4D, $12, 000

2022-03-21 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

Might be worth it with either/and a sunroof and power windows.

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Re: [MBZ] 220D

2021-08-15 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes

Wow looks nice and probably not an unreasonable ask in the condition and with 
the miles. Was a basic car in its day but I would think it's getting hard to 
find nice examples of these. Too bad it's an automatic.

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Re: [MBZ] 220D

2021-08-15 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes

If it had a manual transmission, maybe...

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Aug 15, 2021 12:13:53 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes :

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Re: [MBZ] 220D

2021-08-15 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes

Nice but way too much money 

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Re: [MBZ] 220d

2017-09-27 Thread Craig via Mercedes

On Wed, 27 Sep 2017 20:28:10 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
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> Mercedes 220d parts
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"body wrecked left side could be fixed"

but no pictures of the left side.


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Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting

2011-12-27 Thread Randy Bennell


On 25/12/2011 9:46 AM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

Looks nice in red. Maybe someone will buy it for Christmas!

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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=300639635101#v4-47

Michael E. Esh



Someone paid about $1200 for this thing. Must be the manual tranny that 
makes it desirable with no engine. Did you note the photo with all the rust?


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Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting

2011-12-26 Thread Dieselhead

I know where there is an almost new complete 615 engine that could be 
had reasonably.



Is a 615 engine so difficult to find?

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On Dec 25, 2011, at 8:12 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

A 616 should fit, per the '75-'76 240D, but I'm not sure of the oil filter
position. The '75 and '76 hd an extended front end - to fit the OM617. I
always wondered if the 6 cyl vergassers were shorter than the OM617?

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Rick Knoble wrote:

617/616 should bolt to the tranny, I once met a guy who'd used a 114/115
tranny to convert a 116 300SD to manual. The problem would probably be
cramming a 616/617 and its associated oil filter into the 220D's engine bay.

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Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting

2011-12-26 Thread andrew strasfogel

I know of an even better 617 engine itching to go for another run of 250K
miles.

On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 4:28 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

 I know where there is an almost new complete 615 engine that could be had
 reasonably.


  Is a 615 engine so difficult to find?

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 On Dec 25, 2011, at 8:12 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

 A 616 should fit, per the '75-'76 240D, but I'm not sure of the oil filter
 position. The '75 and '76 hd an extended front end - to fit the OM617. I
 always wondered if the 6 cyl vergassers were shorter than the OM617?

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 Rick Knoble wrote:

 617/616 should bolt to the tranny, I once met a guy who'd used a 114/115
 tranny to convert a 116 300SD to manual. The problem would probably be
 cramming a 616/617 and its associated oil filter into the 220D's engine
 bay.

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Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting

2011-12-26 Thread Dieselhead



Won't fit


I know of an even better 617 engine itching to go for another run of 250K
miles.

On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 4:28 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:


 I know where there is an almost new complete 615 engine that could be had
 reasonably.


  Is a 615 engine so difficult to find?

 

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 On Dec 25, 2011, at 8:12 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

 A 616 should fit, per the '75-'76 240D, but I'm not sure of the oil filter
 position. The '75 and '76 hd an extended front end - to fit the OM617. I
 always wondered if the 6 cyl vergassers were shorter than the OM617?

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 Rick Knoble wrote:

 617/616 should bolt to the tranny, I once met a guy who'd used a 114/115
 tranny to convert a 116 300SD to manual. The problem would probably be
 cramming a 616/617 and its associated oil filter into the 220D's engine
 bay.

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Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting

2011-12-26 Thread clay monroe

The 1976 300D was a 115 with a 617

clay

On Dec 26, 2011, at 3:57 PM, Dieselhead wrote:

 
 Won't fit
 
 I know of an even better 617 engine itching to go for another run of 250K
 miles.
 
 On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 4:28 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I know where there is an almost new complete 615 engine that could be had
 reasonably.
 
 
  Is a 615 engine so difficult to find?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Dec 25, 2011, at 8:12 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 A 616 should fit, per the '75-'76 240D, but I'm not sure of the oil filter
 position. The '75 and '76 hd an extended front end - to fit the OM617. I
 always wondered if the 6 cyl vergassers were shorter than the OM617?
 
 On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
 
 Rick Knoble wrote:
 
 617/616 should bolt to the tranny, I once met a guy who'd used a 114/115
 tranny to convert a 116 300SD to manual. The problem would probably be
 cramming a 616/617 and its associated oil filter into the 220D's engine
 bay.
 
 Mitch.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting

2011-12-26 Thread OK Don

With the radiator support moved forward, and a definate pointy nose
(compared to the earlier W115 chassis). Hood and fenders are different as
well.

On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 6:05 PM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote:

 The 1976 300D was a 115 with a 617

 clay

 On Dec 26, 2011, at 3:57 PM, Dieselhead wrote:

 
  Won't fit
 


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Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting

2011-12-26 Thread Dieselhead

Yes, it was.  It (617.916) is a different subtype than the 617 in the 
123 (617.912).  Different blocks.


Still won't fit without major modifications.



The 1976 300D was a 115 with a 617

clay

On Dec 26, 2011, at 3:57 PM, Dieselhead wrote:



 Won't fit


 I know of an even better 617 engine itching to go for another run of 250K
 miles.

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 I know where there is an almost new complete 615 engine that could be had
 reasonably.


  Is a 615 engine so difficult to find?

  



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Speaking of that, i looked at a 72 220D today that had some pretty bad
rust, but a rebuilt engine (from adsit co) a few years ago. It ran very
nicely and had nearly no blowby on startup... something you don't see very
often on these 4 cylinder diesels.

And it was a one family car from new, daily driven still (I've been seeing
it around for years), with all service records, including the engine
replacement. The car isn't drivable due to rust: the steering
box separated from the frame of the car it seems.

Makes me really want to find a 220D to put that engine into. I found a '74
240D recently that had pretty excessive blow by, but was other wise nice
and wasn't rusty. But putting a 220D engine in a 240D seems silly. But it
wouldn't be a bad temporary fix while the OM616 was being rebuilt.

The car was located around here, in northern NJ, for $1500 if anyones
interested.

One thing that struck me odd... the engine number indicated it was for a
manual trans car (615 912 10 xx), but the car was an automatic. There
isn't much difference between the engines, but does adsit really not supply
them for the correct transmission type?

Jaime

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I know where there is an almost new complete 615 engine that could be had
reasonably.

Is a 615 engine so difficult to find?

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 25, 2011, at 8:12 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

A 616 should fit, per the '75-'76 240D, but I'm not sure of the oil filter
position. The '75 and '76 hd an extended front end - to fit the OM617. I
always wondered if the 6 cyl vergassers were shorter than the OM617?

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Rick Knoble wrote:

617/616 should bolt to the tranny, I once met a guy who'd used a 114/115
tranny to convert a 116 300SD to manual. The problem would probably be
cramming a 616/617 and its associated oil filter into the 220D's engine
bay.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting

2011-12-26 Thread Dieselhead


The 1976 300D was a 115 with a 617

clay


Different chassis subtype too.

W115  240D 
74-76 
115.117 
616.916 

W115  300D 
75-76 
115.114 
617.916 
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Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting

2011-12-26 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

$1500? They are on crack. I bought one just like it except not nearly
that much rust with either a rebuilt or very great original with no
blowby engine for $300.

On 12/26/2011 6:34 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:

The car was located around here, in northern NJ, for $1500 if anyones
interested.

Jaime

On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 4:28 AM, Dieselhead126die...@gmail.com wrote:

I know where there is an almost new complete 615 engine that could be had
reasonably.

Is a 615 engine so difficult to find?

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 25, 2011, at 8:12 PM, OK Donokd...@gmail.com wrote:

On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Mitch Haleym...@voyager.net wrote:

Rick Knoble wrote:

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting

2011-12-26 Thread OK Don

IIRC, which I might not, the tranny mounting ring and flywheel are the only
differences between the standard and automatic OM615 engines. I helped my
father replace the OM615 stndard engine with bad blow-by and hard to start
with an engine from an auto 220D, and that's all that I can remember
needing to be swapped. So I wouldn't see any reason to try to match the
OM615 engine to the tranny.

On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 6:34 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.comwrote:

 One thing that struck me odd... the engine number indicated it was for a
 manual trans car (615 912 10 xx), but the car was an automatic.  There
 isn't much difference between the engines, but does adsit really not supply
 them for the correct transmission type?

 Jaime


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Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting

2011-12-26 Thread Jaime Kopchinski

There is no such thing as a car that cheap around here.

Except for this:
http://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/2758251980.html

The guys been trying to sell it for a while. I'd guess its pretty horrible
to not sell at that price. If I had a place to hide junk, I'd buy it and
part it out.

Jaime

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$1500? They are on crack. I bought one just like it except not nearly
that much rust with either a rebuilt or very great original with no blowby
engine for $300.

On 12/26/2011 6:34 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:

Makes me really want to find a 220D to put that engine into. I found a
'74
240D recently that had pretty excessive blow by, but was other wise nice
and wasn't rusty. But putting a 220D engine in a 240D seems silly. But
it
wouldn't be a bad temporary fix while the OM616 was being rebuilt.

The car was located around here, in northern NJ, for $1500 if anyones
interested.

Jaime

On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 4:28 AM, Dieselhead126die...@gmail.com**
wrote:

I know where there is an almost new complete 615 engine that could be had
reasonably.

Is a 615 engine so difficult to find?

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 25, 2011, at 8:12 PM, OK Donokd...@gmail.com wrote:

A 616 should fit, per the '75-'76 240D, but I'm not sure of the oil
filter
position. The '75 and '76 hd an extended front end - to fit the OM617. I
always wondered if the 6 cyl vergassers were shorter than the OM617?

On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Mitch Haleym...@voyager.net wrote:

Rick Knoble wrote:

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting

2011-12-26 Thread Jaime Kopchinski

Yep, I think you're right.  With some engines, there was a difference in
the injection pumps, but I think this might be gasoline engines only.

Jaime

On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 7:54 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

 IIRC, which I might not, the tranny mounting ring and flywheel are the only
 differences between the standard and automatic OM615 engines. I helped my
 father replace the OM615 stndard engine with bad blow-by and hard to start
 with an engine from an auto 220D, and that's all that I can remember
 needing to be swapped. So I wouldn't see any reason to try to match the
 OM615 engine to the tranny.

 On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 6:34 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  One thing that struck me odd... the engine number indicated it was for a
  manual trans car (615 912 10 xx), but the car was an automatic.
  There
  isn't much difference between the engines, but does adsit really not
 supply
  them for the correct transmission type?
 
  Jaime


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Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting

2011-12-26 Thread Curt Raymond

That one must be really horrible for that price... If the trans was the only 
thing wrong with it thats a great deal. 116 are such nice driving cars...

I bought my '83 240D in Mount Laurel, NJ. Thats maybe 1/2 hour out of the city 
(I forget, its been 8 years (sheesh how time flies)). It was just over 200k, 
had minimal rust although some of the clearcoat was flaking, started and ran 
good for $1500.
I drove it ~80k over the next 6 years of off and on ownership. Did me good for 
the price.

-Curt

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There is no such thing as a car that cheap around here.

Except for this:
http://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/2758251980.html

The guys been trying to sell it for a while.  I'd guess its pretty horrible
to not sell at that price.  If I had a place to hide junk, I'd buy it and
part it out.

Jaime

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Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting

2011-12-26 Thread Mountain Man

andrew wrote:
 There's a whole lot of vetting going on right now for those who would
 replace him, and it isn't a pretty picture.

And that is exactly what will give him clear sailing into being re-elected.
He can sit back, save the $1bn campaign fund, speak nothing and be re-elected.
That is my bet.  The vetting is being done to the demise of any
believe-ability of the opposition, tea party be damned.
The one guy that could put some teeth in to the race is Ron Paul but
the ministry of truth is not airing anything about the most substanial
thoughts addressing the situations in the country.
I agree with Kaleb - the country will be thru real soon.
Lets take it to banned.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting

2011-12-25 Thread Mitch Haley


Rick Knoble wrote:

Yup. Mitch is about as close as you or I ... And I believe he has a new (to him) 
Landgrebe car dolly. BTW, Landgrebe was a congress critter years ago. A quote attributed 
to him. Don't confuse me with the facts. My mind is made up. 


George Landgrebe? Seems a nice fellow on the phone. Said he'd weld brake 
mounting flanges to my spindles for $30. The local hitch and trailer shop wanted 
$200. (but that probably included the fifteen minutes spent removing and 
reinstalling my hubs, George's quote was if I mailed him the spindles)


Yes, that car's sort of between me and Mike, about 50 miles from me.
Where are you, Valparaiso or something? Unfortunately, that transmission won't 
easily bolt to a 602 turbo.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting

2011-12-25 Thread Rick Knoble

Mitch wrote:
 George Landgrebe? Seems a nice fellow on the phone

A relative of the late congressman, I figure. 

 Where are you, Valparaiso or something?


Portage, just off of I80

  Unfortunately, that transmission won't easily bolt to a 602 turbo.


There should be a few cheap 617's around. I don't know if it would bolt up or 
not tho'.
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Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting

2011-12-25 Thread Craig

On Sun, 25 Dec 2011 09:07:33 -0600 Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com
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   Unfortunately, that transmission won't easily bolt to a 602 turbo.
  
 There should be a few cheap 617's around. I don't know if it would bolt
 up or not tho'.

Yes, it will. You may have to swap the bellhousing mounting plate that
bolts to the back of the engine block, but it's the same family of engine.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting

2011-12-25 Thread Dimitri Seretakis

Looks nice in red. Maybe someone will buy it for Christmas!

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Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting

2011-12-25 Thread Mitch Haley


Rick Knoble wrote:


There should be a few cheap 617's around. I don't know if it would bolt up or 
not tho'.


617/616 should bolt to the tranny, I once met a guy who'd used a 114/115 tranny 
to convert a 116 300SD to manual. The problem would probably be cramming a 
616/617 and its associated oil filter into the 220D's engine bay.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting

2011-12-25 Thread Rich Thomas

That would be Earl Landgrebe, who represented the district (W. Lafayette 
and surrounds) when I was at Purdue.  His opponent, one Floyd Fithian, 
had radio ads that played that quote.  Earl lost badly.  I think there 
was also some controversy about him telling a racialist joke on a 
private airplane flight, or maybe that was some other stupid pol (but 
perhaps I am being redundant).


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On 12/24/11 11:51 PM, Rick Knoble wrote:

Yup. Mitch is about as close as you or I ... And I believe he has a new (to him) 
Landgrebe car dolly. BTW, Landgrebe was a congress critter years ago. A quote attributed 
to him. Don't confuse me with the facts. My mind is made up. 

Rick
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=300639635101#v4-47

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Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting

2011-12-25 Thread Allan Streib

Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net writes:

 That would be Earl Landgrebe, who represented the district
 (W. Lafayette and surrounds) when I was at Purdue.  His opponent, one
 Floyd Fithian, had radio ads that played that quote.  Earl lost badly.
 I think there was also some controversy about him telling a racialist
 joke on a private airplane flight, or maybe that was some other stupid
 pol (but perhaps I am being redundant).

I can't wait to see what happens when today's teens and 20-somethings
start running for office.  Imagine what will be dragged up out of their
Facebook and other social website postings.  Nobody will be electable.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting

2011-12-25 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

I think the country will be thru by then so we won't have to worry about it

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 Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net writes:
 
 That would be Earl Landgrebe, who represented the district
 (W. Lafayette and surrounds) when I was at Purdue.  His opponent, one
 Floyd Fithian, had radio ads that played that quote.  Earl lost badly.
 I think there was also some controversy about him telling a racialist
 joke on a private airplane flight, or maybe that was some other stupid
 pol (but perhaps I am being redundant).
 
 I can't wait to see what happens when today's teens and 20-somethings
 start running for office.  Imagine what will be dragged up out of their
 Facebook and other social website postings.  Nobody will be electable.
 
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Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting

2011-12-25 Thread OK Don

A 616 should fit, per the '75-'76 240D, but I'm not sure of the oil filter
position. The '75 and '76 hd an extended front end - to fit the OM617. I
always wondered if the 6 cyl vergassers were shorter than the OM617?

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 Rick Knoble wrote:

  617/616 should bolt to the tranny, I once met a guy who'd used a 114/115
 tranny to convert a 116 300SD to manual. The problem would probably be
 cramming a 616/617 and its associated oil filter into the 220D's engine bay.

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Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting

2011-12-25 Thread Dimitri Seretakis

Is a 615 engine so difficult to find?

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A 616 should fit, per the '75-'76 240D, but I'm not sure of the oil filter
position. The '75 and '76 hd an extended front end - to fit the OM617. I
always wondered if the 6 cyl vergassers were shorter than the OM617?

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Rick Knoble wrote:

617/616 should bolt to the tranny, I once met a guy who'd used a 114/115
tranny to convert a 116 300SD to manual. The problem would probably be
cramming a 616/617 and its associated oil filter into the 220D's engine bay.

Mitch.






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Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting

2011-12-25 Thread Peter Frederick

The W114 has a different radiator support, I think.  Only the 2-door  
was a six, all the rest are W115s.


The 616 will ONLY fit in a W115 if it has a remote oil filter --  
otherwise the oil filter occupies the same space as the fender  
brace.  Some W123s have a remote filter, so the adapter is around,  
but they are not very common.


Peter


On Dec 25, 2011, at 7:12 PM, OK Don wrote:

A 616 should fit, per the '75-'76 240D, but I'm not sure of the oil  
filter
position. The '75 and '76 hd an extended front end - to fit the  
OM617. I

always wondered if the 6 cyl vergassers were shorter than the OM617?

On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:


Rick Knoble wrote:

 617/616 should bolt to the tranny, I once met a guy who'd used a  
114/115
tranny to convert a 116 300SD to manual. The problem would  
probably be
cramming a 616/617 and its associated oil filter into the 220D's  
engine bay.


Mitch.








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Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting

2011-12-25 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

I got one in a 72 220d, I'm very tempted by this car but I think it's too much 
money

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 Is a 615 engine so difficult to find?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Dec 25, 2011, at 8:12 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 A 616 should fit, per the '75-'76 240D, but I'm not sure of the oil filter
 position. The '75 and '76 hd an extended front end - to fit the OM617. I
 always wondered if the 6 cyl vergassers were shorter than the OM617?
 
 On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
 
 Rick Knoble wrote:
 
 617/616 should bolt to the tranny, I once met a guy who'd used a 114/115
 tranny to convert a 116 300SD to manual. The problem would probably be
 cramming a 616/617 and its associated oil filter into the 220D's engine bay.
 
 Mitch.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting

2011-12-25 Thread Dan Penoff

Someone down here in a fairly affluent suburb has a 1984/5 240D that's had a 
617 engine transplanted into it.  I am tempted to look at it (they say 
everything is working, even the ICE COLD AIR) but they also state that the 
odometer stopped working at 278k and has never been fixed since then...

Dan


On Dec 25, 2011, at 9:18 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

 I got one in a 72 220d, I'm very tempted by this car but I think it's too 
 much money
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Dec 25, 2011, at 7:21 PM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Is a 615 engine so difficult to find?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Dec 25, 2011, at 8:12 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 A 616 should fit, per the '75-'76 240D, but I'm not sure of the oil filter
 position. The '75 and '76 hd an extended front end - to fit the OM617. I
 always wondered if the 6 cyl vergassers were shorter than the OM617?
 
 On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
 
 Rick Knoble wrote:
 
 617/616 should bolt to the tranny, I once met a guy who'd used a 114/115
 tranny to convert a 116 300SD to manual. The problem would probably be
 cramming a 616/617 and its associated oil filter into the 220D's engine bay.
 
 Mitch.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting

2011-12-25 Thread Curt Raymond

Should be able to buy one from buddy Walt. I've never actually seen it but 
heard good things from one of his customers.

-Curt

Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 19:58:30 -0600
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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting
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The W114 has a different radiator support, I think.  Only the 2-door 
was a six, all the rest are W115s.

The 616 will ONLY fit in a W115 if it has a remote oil filter -- 
otherwise the oil filter occupies the same space as the fender 
brace.  Some W123s have a remote filter, so the adapter is around, 
but they are not very common.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting

2011-12-25 Thread Rick Knoble

On Dec 25, 2011, at 4:10 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote:

 I can't wait to see what happens when today's teens and 20-somethings
 start running for office.  Imagine what will be dragged up out of their
 Facebook and other social website postings.  Nobody will be electable.

I believe if our sitting president would've been properly vetted, he would not 
have been elected...

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting

2011-12-25 Thread andrew strasfogel

There's a whole lot of vetting going on right now for those who would
replace him, and it isn't a pretty picture.

On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.comwrote:

 On Dec 25, 2011, at 4:10 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote:

  I can't wait to see what happens when today's teens and 20-somethings
  start running for office.  Imagine what will be dragged up out of their
  Facebook and other social website postings.  Nobody will be electable.

 I believe if our sitting president would've been properly vetted, he would
 not have been elected...

 Rick
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Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting

2011-12-24 Thread Rick Knoble

Yup. Mitch is about as close as you or I ... And I believe he has a new (to 
him) Landgrebe car dolly. BTW, Landgrebe was a congress critter years ago. A 
quote attributed to him. Don't confuse me with the facts. My mind is made up. 

Rick
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 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=300639635101#v4-47
 
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Re: [MBZ] 220D riding a bit low in the back?

2011-08-16 Thread Max Dillon

Yep, because some misguided soul replaced the SLS struts with shocks, if you 
believe the seller. I've never heard of a 114 or 115 with SLS.

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http://saginaw.craigslist.org/cto/2549897404.html

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Re: [MBZ] 220D riding a bit low in the back?

2011-08-16 Thread degcoast

I never knew that 115's had SLS.
Dwight
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Re: [MBZ] 220D riding a bit low in the back?

2011-08-16 Thread Jaime Kopchinski

They did, in europe.

Heres one that had it:
http://images.jaimekop.com/2002_11_19_220D/index.html

I almost bought this car... it was a bit too rough mechanically for the
price, and I needed something to drive without much work.

A few days later, i bought this:
http://images.jaimekop.com/2002_12_22_Waxed_240D/

Jaime


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 I never knew that 115's had SLS.
 Dwight
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Re: [MBZ] 220D riding a bit low in the back?

2011-08-16 Thread Peter Frederick

SLS was quite common on taxis, and was available on the diesel models  
as a result.  Not many in the US, but I do know of an example or two.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] 220D riding a bit low in the back?

2011-08-16 Thread degcoast

Ok that makes sense.
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SLS was quite common on taxis, and was available on the diesel models  
as a result.  Not many in the US, but I do know of an example or two.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] 220D riding a bit low in the back?

2011-08-16 Thread degcoast

Interesting-seems odd on a smaller MB- usually think of wagons and top line 
126's.
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 220D riding a bit low in the back?

They did, in europe.

Heres one that had it:
http://images.jaimekop.com/2002_11_19_220D/index.html

I almost bought this car... it was a bit too rough mechanically for the
price, and I needed something to drive without much work.

A few days later, i bought this:
http://images.jaimekop.com/2002_12_22_Waxed_240D/

Jaime


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 I never knew that 115's had SLS.
 Dwight
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Re: [MBZ] 220D no start

2009-10-13 Thread Redghost

I spent the rest of the day poking, yanking and swearing at the  
cable.  Got it moved back, forward, right, left and inside out.  I  
think the cable is too short to do all three functions.  I can get the  
thing long enough to start, but it will not shut off, or it will be  
long enough to shut off, but not long enough to get the starter to  
engage.


Figure I will just let the clutch be the stop pedal.


clay


On Oct 11, 2009, at 4:30 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:

I found out the cable was off, and proceeded to hook it back to the  
IP and now it is not willing to start when the knob gets pulled.   
It will go to glow, but I am not able to pull it further so that it  
engages the start circuit.


That cable is adjustable, in some manner.  You need to
adjust it so that it has enough travel to hit the
starter contacts.

What would work better would be a simple manual glow switch, and a  
push to start button.  Probably pain in the rear to figure out the  
way to cut into the circuits.


Yeah, they combined all three systems on one easy-to-use knob.
Until it breaks, then it's a PITA.  But if you fix it right
you can go back to your nearly-unstealable stealth ignition
system.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] 220D no start

2009-10-13 Thread Redghost


Thanks Craig,

I drug out the shop manuals and the chiltons to peruse over beers.  No  
good answers on just what the correct adjustment is.  I suspect it  
needs the cable to be new.  The old one lost the lead knot on the end  
that would have been right.  I have it bent over to lock it to the  
slide mechanism


clay

On Oct 11, 2009, at 4:42 PM, Craig McCluskey wrote:


On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:30:42 -0700 Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net
wrote:


That cable is adjustable, in some manner.  You need to
adjust it so that it has enough travel to hit the
starter contacts.

Yeah, they combined all three systems on one easy-to-use knob.
Until it breaks, then it's a PITA.  But if you fix it right
you can go back to your nearly-unstealable stealth ignition
system.


Yeah, what he said.

With the dash knob pushed all the way in, the cable has to push on the
injection pump lever to stop the engine.

With the dash knob in the released position, the pin on the  
injection
pump lever should be somewhere in the slot on the fitting on the end  
of

the start cable.

With the dash knob in the start position, the pin on the injection  
pump
should be against the front end of the slot on the fitting on the  
end of
the start cable and pulled a little more back than its normal  
operating

position. This causes the injection pump to put out more fuel so the
starting is easier.

It's indeed possible to correctly adjust the cable. When it's  
correctly

adjusted, everything works as designed.

If this isn't enough information, I can look through my 1973  
Chilton's and
see if it has more. I may even scan the pages, but later, because I  
don't

have time right now.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 220D no start

2009-10-13 Thread WILTON

'Sure rough on clutch, tranny, drive shaft, dif., axle, etc.

Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 220D no start

I spent the rest of the day poking, yanking and swearing at the  
cable.  Got it moved back, forward, right, left and inside out.  I  
think the cable is too short to do all three functions.  I can get the  
thing long enough to start, but it will not shut off, or it will be  
long enough to shut off, but not long enough to get the starter to  
engage.

Figure I will just let the clutch be the stop pedal.

clay

On Oct 11, 2009, at 4:30 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:

I found out the cable was off, and proceeded to hook it back to the  
IP and now it is not willing to start when the knob gets pulled.   
It will go to glow, but I am not able to pull it further so that it  
engages the start circuit.

That cable is adjustable, in some manner.  You need to
adjust it so that it has enough travel to hit the
starter contacts.

What would work better would be a simple manual glow switch, and a  
push to start button.  Probably pain in the rear to figure out the  
way to cut into the circuits.

Yeah, they combined all three systems on one easy-to-use knob.
Until it breaks, then it's a PITA.  But if you fix it right
you can go back to your nearly-unstealable stealth ignition
system.

-- Jim

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Re: [MBZ] 220D no start

2009-10-13 Thread Jim Cathey


The old one lost the lead knot on the end that would have been right.
I have it bent over to lock it to the slide mechanism.


Hey Clay!  Your cable's too short!

Translation: you lost center wire length, so now the sheath is
'too long' and you don't have enough effective travel to accomplish
all functions.  You can move the sheath out of its proper position
in the retaining clamp in order to pick up your choice of functions
at either end of the travel, but not both at the same time.

If there's enough overall length left you could try nipping off
some of the outer sheath in order to regain some range of motion...

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] 220D no start

2009-10-13 Thread Craig McCluskey

On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:31:27 -0700 Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net
wrote:

  The old one lost the lead knot on the end that would have been right.
  I have it bent over to lock it to the slide mechanism.
 
 Hey Clay!  Your cable's too short!
 
 Translation: you lost center wire length, so now the sheath is
 'too long' and you don't have enough effective travel to accomplish
 all functions.  You can move the sheath out of its proper position
 in the retaining clamp in order to pick up your choice of functions
 at either end of the travel, but not both at the same time.
 
 If there's enough overall length left you could try nipping off
 some of the outer sheath in order to regain some range of motion...

What he said ...

You can use a triangular file to cut (carefully!) through the outer
sheath.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 220D no start

2009-10-11 Thread Jim Cathey

I found out the cable was off, and proceeded to hook it back to the IP 
and now it is not willing to start when the knob gets pulled.  It will 
go to glow, but I am not able to pull it further so that it engages 
the start circuit.


That cable is adjustable, in some manner.  You need to
adjust it so that it has enough travel to hit the
starter contacts.

What would work better would be a simple manual glow switch, and a 
push to start button.  Probably pain in the rear to figure out the way 
to cut into the circuits.


Yeah, they combined all three systems on one easy-to-use knob.
Until it breaks, then it's a PITA.  But if you fix it right
you can go back to your nearly-unstealable stealth ignition
system.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] 220D no start

2009-10-11 Thread Craig McCluskey

On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:30:42 -0700 Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net
wrote:

 That cable is adjustable, in some manner.  You need to
 adjust it so that it has enough travel to hit the
 starter contacts.
   
 Yeah, they combined all three systems on one easy-to-use knob.
 Until it breaks, then it's a PITA.  But if you fix it right
 you can go back to your nearly-unstealable stealth ignition
 system.

Yeah, what he said.

With the dash knob pushed all the way in, the cable has to push on the
injection pump lever to stop the engine.

With the dash knob in the released position, the pin on the injection
pump lever should be somewhere in the slot on the fitting on the end of
the start cable.

With the dash knob in the start position, the pin on the injection pump
should be against the front end of the slot on the fitting on the end of
the start cable and pulled a little more back than its normal operating
position. This causes the injection pump to put out more fuel so the
starting is easier.

It's indeed possible to correctly adjust the cable. When it's correctly
adjusted, everything works as designed.

If this isn't enough information, I can look through my 1973 Chilton's and
see if it has more. I may even scan the pages, but later, because I don't
have time right now.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 220D no start

2009-10-11 Thread Loren Faeth

You need to loosen the clamp on the cable jacket at the IP, and slide 
the jacket toward the firewall enough so that it will hit the start 
position.  Probably 2-4 mm as a guess.  THat is the primary adjustment.


As for glow,  I have several times installed a secondary glow or 
starter switch.  Take a ford fender mounted starter relay.  (fairly 
easy to find at the junkyards 20 years ago.  Not sure if they still 
use them, but I think so)  Run a #10 wire (or fusable link) from the 
battery to the relay (mounted on the rear of the engine or on the 
firewall) large terminal (left, facing the two small terminals)  From 
the right large terminal, run a #10 wire to the (hot) terminal of the 
glow resistor if you have loop glow plugs.  (on a newer car, or one 
converted to pencil glow plugs, it goes to the terminal of the last GP)


Then run a wire from any suitable hot fused terminal (31, switched) 
to a pushbutton (NO) mounted under the dash, then back to the new 
starter relay left small terminal.  (single small terminal if your 
relay has only one small terminal.  In that case, the mounting of the 
relay is expected to provide a ground for the pilot circuit.)  From 
the second small terminal, run a wire to a good ground.


If/when you have doubts about the glow switch working, you can try 
the secondary circuit.  It it starts from that one, you know you have 
a problem in the glow switch circuit.


My escort Diesel developed a problem in the switch/relay.  Rather 
than spend days tracking down an intermittent problem in the winter. 
I rigged up the push button circuit in a mcparts lot when it was 20 
below.  It only took me 30 min or so, and I did all the wiring I 
could inside the idling car.  Then I went out and installed it.  Not 
fun at 20 below.  Much better than spending days trying to fix an 
intermittent.


You can hear the relay engage.

I've also used a secondary pushbutton circuit to troubleshoot starter 
switch/starter solenoid problems.   for that, you don't need the 
relay, just the pushbutton pilot circuit.





At 05:18 PM 10/11/2009, you wrote:

Gump  is being a turd.  The start cable fell off the  IP while I was
out with flu and oldest boy drove.  He was not aware the cable had
come detached and had trouble starting, but it would eventually light
off.

I found out the cable was off, and proceeded to hook it back to the IP
and now it is not willing to start when the knob gets pulled.  It will
go to glow, but I am not able to pull it further so that it engages
the start circuit.   I did learn that the knob mechanism is a three
part system.  It first opens the fuel flow, then moves to engage the
glow system.  Final position is to engage the starter.

What would work better would be a simple manual glow switch, and a
push to start button.  Probably pain in the rear to figure out the way
to cut into the circuits.

Anybody have advise on how to get Gump lit off?






--
Clay
Seattle Bioburner

1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz


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Re: [MBZ] 220D Head Removal

2009-08-16 Thread Loren Faeth


No Way!

it would be easier to put a 123 OM 616 or 617 in the 115.  major 
problems are flywheel/trans mating; oil filter and motor mounts.  Of 
those, the motor mounts are the easiest.  THere is probably a factory 
set of motor mount arms somewhere that will bolt in, or can be 
mounted on 2 of the 4 motor mount bolts, and one additional bolt fore 
or aft that just happens to already be there.


To install the 123 616 into the 110 chassis, we made a cover plate 
for the oil filter, and the block, where the filter mounts.  then we 
could mount the oil filter remotely, and connect the 2 plates via 
hoses.  Actually, I think you could take your 615 block and use all 
616 components to rebuild it.  I thought about trying that with the 
OM 621.  THen the block would bolt in, and you would have a 616 in all other
aspects.  I think you could also use the 615 crank and flywheel 
assembly, so the trans end would bolt up  too.


bear  in mind the last paragraph is speculation.  the 616 in 110 
transplant, I did



At 03:44 PM 8/12/2009, you wrote:

Can I put a 615 motor into a W123?

Thanks,

Bruce


Loren Faeth 



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Re: [MBZ] 220D Head Removal

2009-08-12 Thread B Dike

 old dogs carried liability 
insurance.

RLE
 
 

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 22:44:20 -0400
From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cash for clunkers hits home
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Russ Williams wrote:

 Last week he took in a 2007 Ford F-250 w/PowerChoke All Maxed out
 for a Prius. No go figure that one. Truck only had 22k m on it.
 Good Grief.
 

If the customer wanted $4500 trade-in on that, the dealer made a fortune.
If the dealer processed the paperwork to scrap a $20,000 vehicle for a $4500 
government check, they're idiots.
If you believe that the government would accept a 'clunker' that doesn't have 
an 
EPA mileage rating, well, then...

Mitch.



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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 21:54:36 -0500
From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4Matic?
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Four wheel drive.

On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 9:10 PM, John Ingram joh...@cloud9.net wrote:

 What is 4Matic?

 --
 OK Don
 Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos


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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:55:30 -0700
From: Kevin ke...@mordred.punk.net
Subject: Re: [MBZ] clunkers
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On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 10:42:08PM -0400, relng...@aol.com wrote:
 I'm also wondering how many of those tattered old dogs carried liability 
 insurance.

Had to have valid registration and insurance for the preceeding calendar year.



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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 23:06:38 -0400
From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu
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Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com writes:

 The last sentence is why I am still in favor of the program. I know it
 is sad to see a low/mid-teens MPG car go to the crusher in favor of
 something that burns less fuel, but that is not necessarily a bad
 thing (even if nice interior goes to the crusher).

If one sits down with a pencil and paper, or a computer spreadsheet if
the former are unfamiliar, one may find that the supposed money saved by
a higher MPG rating is very little and often not offset by the added
cost of ownership of a new vehicle.  The $4,500 from Uncle Sam may help,
if so be sure to thank your grandchildren for helping you buy your new
car.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D



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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 21:16:50 -0600
From: Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.net
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 220D Head Removal - Epilogue
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On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:51:37 -0500 Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net
wrote:

 You may just need a new rod.
 
 Note that the 616 engine will NOT fit in a W115 chassis unless you  
 remove the fender brace -- hte oil filter housing is in the wrong place.

Is that what they did to get a W115 240D?

Or better yet, where is the oil filter on a W115 240D? I presume it's in a
different place than the W123 240D, namely underneath like the W115 220D.


Craig



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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 20:17:06 -0700
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] had a brain flash (or brain fart) today
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On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 5:18 PM, Curt Raymondcurtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
 I've always wanted a Postal Jeep. FourWheeler did a neat buildup on one years 
 ago.
 If I could find one for reasonable money my 240D would be available for 
 firesale money...


Nah, this is what you want, Curt. I'm sure it can tow your snowmobiles
just fine and all your friends can sit in the back!
http://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/cto/1311988170.html

Alex



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Subject: Re: [MBZ] FW: [Fwd: FW: Smart Car?]
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Re: [MBZ] 220D Head Removal

2009-08-12 Thread Peter Frederick


Don't know -- check for suspension clearance for the oil filter housing.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] 220D Head Removal - Epilogue

2009-08-10 Thread Peter Frederick


You may just need a new rod.

Note that the 616 engine will NOT fit in a W115 chassis unless you  
remove the fender brace -- hte oil filter housing is in the wrong place.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] 220D Head Removal - Epilogue

2009-08-10 Thread Craig McCluskey

On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:51:37 -0500 Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net
wrote:

 You may just need a new rod.
 
 Note that the 616 engine will NOT fit in a W115 chassis unless you  
 remove the fender brace -- hte oil filter housing is in the wrong place.

Is that what they did to get a W115 240D?

Or better yet, where is the oil filter on a W115 240D? I presume it's in a
different place than the W123 240D, namely underneath like the W115 220D.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 220D Head Removal - Epilogue

2009-08-10 Thread Peter Frederick

The oil filter on a W115 is up front, underneath in a canister.  Huge  
PITA to change as you always end up with oil running down your  
armpit.  The filter housing is by #1 cylinder underneath the  
injection pump.


On the 616 (as opposed to the 615 which is in the W115), the oil  
filter housing is on top of the fitting and the filter is removed by  
taking the cover off.  I have seen a few with a remote housing, but  
only in the W123 chassis, not the W115.  Much nicer, as you don't  
have to lie on the ground with oil dripping on you.


You cannot put a 617 out of a W123 into a W115 for the same reason.   
Has to be the one installed there, and they are uncommon these days.


Peter



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Re: [MBZ] 220D Head Removal - Epilogue

2009-08-10 Thread OK Don

But there was a 115 version of the 616 

On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 10:21 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote:

 The oil filter on a W115 is up front, underneath in a canister.  Huge PITA
 to change as you always end up with oil running down your armpit.  The
 filter housing is by #1 cylinder underneath the injection pump.

 On the 616 (as opposed to the 615 which is in the W115), the oil filter
 housing is on top of the fitting and the filter is removed by taking the
 cover off.  I have seen a few with a remote housing, but only in the W123
 chassis, not the W115.  Much nicer, as you don't have to lie on the ground
 with oil dripping on you.

 You cannot put a 617 out of a W123 into a W115 for the same reason.  Has to
 be the one installed there, and they are uncommon these days.

 Peter

 --
 OK Don, with oil stained armpits still from the three 115 Diesels I used to
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Re: [MBZ] 220D Head Removal - Epilogue

2009-08-10 Thread Craig McCluskey

On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 22:30:29 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

 But there was a 115 version of the 616 

Yes, and a W115 version of the 617, too!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 220D Head Removal - Epilogue

2009-08-10 Thread Peter Frederick


Not the same one as in the W123 though.

Ditto for the 617, different suffix on the engine numbers.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] 220D Head Removal - Epilogue

2009-08-09 Thread B Dike

Finally got the head off.  Had to remove water pump, etc. and fabricated a 
puller for the timing chain rail pin using a hose clamp and a bolt.  The 
pin came out nicely and I removed the rail and lifted off the head.  
 
Everything looked fine...except that 3 pistons were at TDC!  #2 piston was 
stationary.  
 
Oh well.  I was looking forward to puttering around in the little 220 but I 
guess a motor swap with the banged up 240D is in the works.
 
Cheers,
 
Bruce


  
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Re: [MBZ] 220D Head Removal

2009-08-08 Thread B Dike

Jim,
 
I found that the tensioner rail is 2mm wider than the slot.  I don't have the 
shop manual, but the Haynes manual alludes to a 'hook style' rail that requires 
removal.  It mounts on a pin by the crankshaft that requires a special puller 
to remove which I lack.   Don't know why they did that.  Would have been so 
easy to make the rail fit - 30 sec on a grinder.  Removing the head is 
incredibly troublesome. 
 
So I tried grinding down the rail with the Dremel, but it's extremely slow.  It 
turns out that everything was fine inside the cylinders anyway (was looking for 
prechamber damage). So I might just button it back up with the old head gasket 
and hope it seals.  Is there any reason that might not work?
 
Thanks,
 
Bruce



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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 06:21:32 -0700
From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net
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 I am trying to remove the head on the 72 220D (long story why).? 
 Everything is out and loose but the timing chain tensioner rail is 
 interfering with the head.? It looks like the rail is every bit as 
 wide as the slot in the head.? Do I need to remove the tensioner rail 
 (and how is that done), or does it merely need a little 
 'encouragement' to fit through the slot in the head?

I wasn't present for our recent 220D head un-removal, but the top
end of the main tensioner rail is narrower than the hole, IIRC.
The plastic non-moving guide up at the top needs to come off.
(Threaded pin pulls out with a slide hammer, or crowbar forks
and a regular one if you're like us.)

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Re: [MBZ] 220D Head Removal

2009-08-08 Thread Craig McCluskey

On Sat, 8 Aug 2009 21:50:39 -0700 (PDT) B Dike bdi...@yahoo.com wrote:

 So I tried grinding down the rail with the Dremel, but it's extremely
 slow.

You did grind the rail while it was installed in the engine, didn't you?
If so, what did you do with the grinding dust?


 So I might just button it back up with the old head gasket and hope it
 seals.  Is there any reason that might not work? 

That's a bad idea -- the gasket has lost all of its crush and getting it
exactly the same place is highly unlikely.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 220D Head Removal

2009-08-07 Thread Jim Cathey

I am trying to remove the head on the 72 220D (long story why).  
Everything is out and loose but the timing chain tensioner rail is 
interfering with the head.  It looks like the rail is every bit as 
wide as the slot in the head.  Do I need to remove the tensioner rail 
(and how is that done), or does it merely need a little 
'encouragement' to fit through the slot in the head?


I wasn't present for our recent 220D head un-removal, but the top
end of the main tensioner rail is narrower than the hole, IIRC.
The plastic non-moving guide up at the top needs to come off.
(Threaded pin pulls out with a slide hammer, or crowbar forks
and a regular one if you're like us.)

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] 220D Head Removal

2009-08-07 Thread Peter Frederick

There is a bolt pin done by the crank balancer that holds the rail in  
place.  Screw a bolt into it (or use the fancy Benz tool if you can  
locate one) and pull the pin out to release the rail.  You will need  
to align the slot in the balancer with the pin to pull it.


You CAN get the head off with the rail in place, but it's easier to  
take it out.


Needless to say, it's vastly easier to remove the bolt pin with the  
engine out of the car


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] 220D surgery

2009-08-03 Thread Fmiser

 Jim Cathey wrote:
 We've been starting to figure out means of pulling the
 engine.  (I think some 2x6's endwise across the rafters
 will support my chain hoist.  We've got three bodies, so
 removing the hood and general manhandling are well covered.)

If the rafters will hold, the 2x6's should be fine.

I built a A-frame hoist stand. The top beam is a pair of 10ft
2x6 in a 'V'. It just so happens the angle of the 'V' matches
the angle of the legs.  I put a oak 1x5 (from an old pallet)
across the top in the center to deal with the abuse from the
chain to which the chain hoist was attached.  I have pulled a
few Chevy small-blocks with transmission attached (117 mm manual
and 700R4 autos) with that rig.

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] 220D surgery

2009-08-02 Thread Jim Cathey


Just a wild guess - but could alink or two be rusted together and not
willing to go around a sprocket, or not willing to straighten out when 
it

gets to a rail? Sounds like it was open to the world for some time.


It was open for considerable time, but the exposed parts of the
chain are rust-free.  (I brought the car home 4.5 years ago, and
Casey had had it in his yard for at least a year.  Zippo has been
done since Casey got it, whenever that was.)  A kink would make the
chain awfully short, would it not?  If anything the chain is on
the loose side, not tight.  We probably need a new one, checking
the stretch was going to be the first thing done once we got it
rotating freely.  Even so a new chain wasn't considered until after
the engine was running.  The oil pump chain seems to be moving fine.


Take the chain completely out, inspect it, and see if the crankshaft
rotates without it installed. Then ...


Yeah, we might have to.  But to do that we have to break the
chain, which means a new master link in order to un-break it.
Probably deserves a new chain at that point, but again, we don't
want to spend any money on _this_ engine if it's crap.  A U-Pull
engine is within the budget, but of course there aren't any right
now.

Check for a loose bolt pin as well.  You may also want to pull the 
vacuum pump and see if there is something in there beside the 
injection timer.  A bolt or screw or something riding along on the 
chain will do this too


What bolt pin?  We did remove the vacuum pump, for peeking
purposes.  No sign of trouble.  There is evidence that the kid
took apart more than we'd thought, the lower oil pan and the
vacuum pump were both red RTV'd, and all-new shiny flanged bolts
that are a bit too short.  Ominous.  No sign that the kid had
ever been inside the big oil pan, or had the tranny or clutch
off.


So will a tangle in the chain, but it won't fit that way -- too short.


It doesn't seem short.


Rusty cylinder wall?


Initially, yes.  Wouldn't turn at all.  Engine stored at TDC#1.
But some WD-40 down in the injector holes and some vigorous torque
on the crank bolt worked it loose.  Again, the range of motion is
now almost exactly 180 degrees.  Both directions 'clunk', one cleanly,
and one (CW) that wedges if you run into it too hard.  The mild
cylinder corrosion worked loose very quickly, these hard stops
don't move anymore.

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Re: [MBZ] 220D surgery

2009-08-02 Thread Fmiser

 Jim Cathey wrote:

  Again, the range of
 motion is now almost exactly 180 degrees.  Both directions
 'clunk', one cleanly, and one (CW) that wedges if you run into
 it too hard.  The mild cylinder corrosion worked loose very
 quickly, these hard stops don't move anymore.

Sounds like a 2x4 in the oil pan

Any bolts down near the crank that may have been replace with
ones that are too long?

What about flywheel clutch/torque converter/transmission?

--Philip

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Re: [MBZ] 220D surgery

2009-08-02 Thread Loren Faeth

Busted off prechamber tip on top of a piston?  Busted off prechamber 
ball on top of a piston?


At 09:28 PM 8/1/2009, you wrote:

Jim.
Rusty cylinder wall?
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred

At 08:49 PM 8/1/2009, you wrote:

We can't see anything wrong, and have the vacuum pump and
the lower oil pan off for visibility.  The cam followers
are not yet in, so all the valves are fully retracted.

All four holes suck and blow when you rock the engine
back and forth.  No thrown rods that we can see.

Is this likely to be a chain kink?  Or something much worse?
Anybody BTDT?  Suggestions?

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] 220D surgery

2009-08-02 Thread Loren Faeth

I vote for a chain issue.  As Craig said, pull the chain out 
completely, then see what happens.


A long time ago, I was working on an OM621 (basically similar to 
OM615-616) and dropped the center link of the master link when it 
slipped. The link dropped down in the chain cavity.  I tried fishing 
around with a magnet, but had no luck.  SO I hoped for the best, that 
it settled in the oil pan, and turned the engine over by hand.  No 
luck.  It would stick tight.  Same if I turned it backwards.


I had to pull the engine.  Link was stuck in the crank sprocket.  The 
crank sprocket was badly worn.  I had to buy a new sprocket and a new 
master link.  On the OM621, the pan can only be pulled with the 
engine out of the car.



At 07:49 PM 8/1/2009, you wrote:

So today I went to the neighbors' again and we had
another surgery session on the former blackberry patch
also known as the $100 220D.  (Some kid had taken off the
head, and even removed the gallery plugs.)  We've been
slowly reassembling the thing to see if it's any good,
spending as little as humanly possible until we can
determine this crucial detail.  This is to be the kid's
car, and Fall is coming fast.

Anyway, today the chain got hooked back up.  It'd been
loose in the vault, tie-wrapped together but not very
well.  We got it together and the engine turning again,
but the engine will only turn about 180 degrees back and
forth before it seems to hit something _very_ solid.  When
'clunked' clockwise it wedges, and has to be BFH'd back
loose with a piece of pipe on one of the balancer's notches,
since otherwise it'll just unscrew the big bolt due to the
strength of the wedging.

We can't see anything wrong, and have the vacuum pump and
the lower oil pan off for visibility.  The cam followers
are not yet in, so all the valves are fully retracted.

All four holes suck and blow when you rock the engine
back and forth.  No thrown rods that we can see.

Is this likely to be a chain kink?  Or something much worse?
Anybody BTDT?  Suggestions?

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] 220D surgery

2009-08-02 Thread Jim Cathey


Sounds like a 2x4 in the oil pan


We looked in there, as best one can through the
small (front) pan's hole.  Nothing obviously wrong.


Any bolts down near the crank that may have been replace with
ones that are too long?


Looks OK, and the pan bolts look long-undisturbed.


What about flywheel clutch/torque converter/transmission?


Could be, we've not looked at that end yet.

Busted off prechamber tip on top of a piston?  Busted off prechamber 
ball on top of a piston?


No, we just put that head (back) on ourselves a couple of weeks ago.
Besides, if that was the blocker you'd get nearly 360 degrees of
rotation out of the engine.  (Unless you can support the notion
of two differently-phased pistons having the same problems at home.)

I vote for a chain issue.  As Craig said, pull the chain out 
completely, then see what happens.


We might have to.  It's just that then we've for sure
bought into the joy of re-timing the IP.  We were hoping
to avoid that little walk in the park, if at all possible.

I'm not sure how we can actually remove the chain, though,
given that the engine doesn't rotate.

A long time ago, I was working on an OM621 (basically similar to 
OM615-616) and dropped the center link of the master link when it 
slipped. The link dropped down in the chain cavity.  I tried fishing 
around with a magnet, but had no luck.  SO I hoped for the best, that 
it settled in the oil pan, and turned the engine over by hand.  No 
luck.  It would stick tight.  Same if I turned it backwards.


Oops.

I had to pull the engine.  Link was stuck in the crank sprocket.  The 
crank sprocket was badly worn.  I had to buy a new sprocket and a new 
master link.  On the OM621, the pan can only be pulled with the engine 
out of the car.


We've been starting to figure out means of pulling the
engine.  (I think some 2x6's endwise across the rafters
will support my chain hoist.  We've got three bodies, so
removing the hood and general manhandling are well covered.)

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] 220D surgery

2009-08-02 Thread Curt Raymond

Step 1. Fix Unimog
Step 2. Apply crane

 I had to pull the engine.  Link was stuck in the crank sprocket.  The 
 crank sprocket was badly worn.  I had to buy a new sprocket and a new 
 master link.  On the OM621, the pan can only be pulled with the engine 
 out of the car.

We've been starting to figure out means of pulling the
engine.  (I think some 2x6's endwise across the rafters
will support my chain hoist.  We've got three bodies, so
removing the hood and general manhandling are well covered.)

-- Jim


  
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Re: [MBZ] 220D surgery

2009-08-01 Thread OK Don

Just a wild guess - but could alink or two be rusted together and not
willing to go around a sprocket, or not willing to straighten out when it
gets to a rail? Sounds like it was open to the world for some time.


 Is this likely to be a chain kink?  Or something much worse?
 Anybody BTDT?  Suggestions?

 -- Jim

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Re: [MBZ] 220D surgery

2009-08-01 Thread Craig McCluskey

On Sat, 1 Aug 2009 20:12:27 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

 Just a wild guess - but could alink or two be rusted together and not
 willing to go around a sprocket, or not willing to straighten out when
 it gets to a rail? Sounds like it was open to the world for some time.
 
 
  Is this likely to be a chain kink?  Or something much worse?
  Anybody BTDT?  Suggestions?

Take the chain completely out, inspect it, and see if the crankshaft
rotates without it installed. Then ...


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 220D surgery

2009-08-01 Thread Peter Frederick

Check for a loose bolt pin as well.  You may also want to pull the  
vacuum pump and see if there is something in there beside the  
injection timer.  A bolt or screw or something riding along on the  
chain will do this too


So will a tangle in the chain, but it won't fit that way -- too short.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] 220D surgery

2009-08-01 Thread Frederick W Moir


Jim.
Rusty cylinder wall?
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred

At 08:49 PM 8/1/2009, you wrote:

We can't see anything wrong, and have the vacuum pump and
the lower oil pan off for visibility.  The cam followers
are not yet in, so all the valves are fully retracted.

All four holes suck and blow when you rock the engine
back and forth.  No thrown rods that we can see.

Is this likely to be a chain kink?  Or something much worse?
Anybody BTDT?  Suggestions?

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] 220D, syncro van, fox ads

2007-09-22 Thread Robert Tara Ludwick

The audi wasn't worth that much new. Those things were a wiring problem 
waiting to happen, at least all the dead and dying ones that crossed my 
path not long after they were new.

Too bad the syncro isn't a diesel.

-Robert

Mitch Haley wrote:
 Misc 70's-80's German Michigan/Indiana/Ohio Autotrader ads:

 220D, two drivetrains, new paint, looks like no drivetrain installed $1000
 http://www.auto-rv.com/browse.aspx?AdName=CM2320085

 VW Syncro van, engine built, surface rust touched up and primered, needs
 exhaust $3000
 http://www.auto-rv.com/browse.aspx?AdName=CM2320274

 Audi Fox, low miles, no rust, stored inside. I haven't seen one of these
 in roadworthy shape for about 20 years. $3500, can't be worth that much.
 http://www.auto-rv.com/browse.aspx?AdName=CMW2320120

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Re: [MBZ] 220D, syncro van, fox ads

2007-09-22 Thread Alex Chamberlain

On 9/22/07, Robert  Tara Ludwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Too bad the syncro isn't a diesel.


Why, so it could be even slower?

The good Lord intended Vanagons to have Subaru engines in them.

http://www.vanaru.com/

Alex Chamberlain
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Re: [MBZ] 220D, syncro van, fox ads

2007-09-22 Thread billr

From my experience of owning one of those beasts [named the anti-christ] I 
would question the assumption that the good lord had anything at all to do 
with them.  I think you have your directions all wrong as far as Vanagons go...
BillR
Jacksonville FL
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Ex-owner of a mid 80's  sucking Vanagon from down below. 

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On 9/22/07, Robert  Tara Ludwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Too bad the syncro isn't a diesel.


Why, so it could be even slower?

The good Lord intended Vanagons to have Subaru engines in them.

http://www.vanaru.com/

Alex Chamberlain
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Re: [MBZ] 220D doors

2007-01-08 Thread Redghost

Tinted Window wings?  I think they are tinted more green than gray.  
Not clear.


On Jan 6, 2007, at 5:41 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:


Explain Grays?  Both wing windows are there


Umm, they would be gray?  In color.


are 1972 model year doors in that nasty cream/white color.


And that would be the answer.  My doors are rusting badly,
but paint is outside of the realm of possibility.

I just parked it inside, for about the first time ever.
(On my watch.)  Had to do some serious rearrangement of
the garage again to get the 450 SL crosswise along the
front.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 220D doors

2007-01-08 Thread Jim Cathey


Tinted Window wings?  I think they are tinted more green than gray.
Not clear.


Paint, Clay.  Gray _paint_!

Oh, and that green tint to the windows upsets me.  The ones
on the Frankenheap are water-clear, and my 'new' un-etched
replacements are greenish and don't match.  I've been watching
for water-clear ones, but everything has been greenish.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] 220D doors

2007-01-08 Thread Redghost

Sorry for being slow.  PAINT.  yep.  Has some.  Was Gump green from the 
looks of the interior.  Got a reshoot of that nasty cream.  If you were 
inclined, you could get some rattle can gray and make them fit the 
frankenheap.


On Jan 7, 2007, at 9:27 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:


Tinted Window wings?  I think they are tinted more green than gray.
Not clear.


Paint, Clay.  Gray _paint_!

Oh, and that green tint to the windows upsets me.  The ones
on the Frankenheap are water-clear, and my 'new' un-etched
replacements are greenish and don't match.  I've been watching
for water-clear ones, but everything has been greenish.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 220D doors

2007-01-08 Thread Sunil Hari


i thought green-tinted windows was a factory option at that time ... just
means there's more iron in the glass and cheaper to make.

On 1/8/07, Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Sorry for being slow.  PAINT.  yep.  Has some.  Was Gump green from the
looks of the interior.  Got a reshoot of that nasty cream.  If you were
inclined, you could get some rattle can gray and make them fit the
frankenheap.

On Jan 7, 2007, at 9:27 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:

 Tinted Window wings?  I think they are tinted more green than gray.
 Not clear.

 Paint, Clay.  Gray _paint_!

 Oh, and that green tint to the windows upsets me.  The ones
 on the Frankenheap are water-clear, and my 'new' un-etched
 replacements are greenish and don't match.  I've been watching
 for water-clear ones, but everything has been greenish.

 -- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 220D doors

2007-01-07 Thread Jim Cathey


Explain Grays?  Both wing windows are there


Umm, they would be gray?  In color.


are 1972 model year doors in that nasty cream/white color.


And that would be the answer.  My doors are rusting badly,
but paint is outside of the realm of possibility.

I just parked it inside, for about the first time ever.
(On my watch.)  Had to do some serious rearrangement of
the garage again to get the 450 SL crosswise along the
front.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] 220D doors

2007-01-06 Thread Dimitri Seretakis

I bought a rear door from a 68 115 years ago to
replace  the  crashed one on my 73 220D.  The
replacement door was far off.  It was not even close
to fitting.  Don't  know why.  Still have the damaged
door on the car ten years later.  I'll end up just
repairing it when I get a chance.
Dimitri
   
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 Not to compete with our faithful list father, but I
 snagged some 
 114/115 doors today.  Anybody need one?  Cover
 shipping and call it 
 good.  Have the trunk lid too.
 
 I am intending to source some parts from these
 filthy things, but if 
 you need the sheet metal parts, I am happy to ship
 on your dime. UPS 
 Ground.
 
 
 --
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 Seattle Bioburner
 
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 1995 E300D - Cleo
 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
 The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] 220D doors

2007-01-06 Thread Redghost


Explain Grays?  Both wing windows are there


On Jan 4, 2007, at 10:40 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:


Not to compete with our faithful list father, but I snagged some
114/115 doors today.  Anybody need one?  Cover shipping and call it
good.  Have the trunk lid too.


Any wing-window grays?

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 220D doors

2007-01-06 Thread Redghost


I do not have body, just the doors, no thresholds


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I need the plastic door threshold piece on driver and pass side (not 
on the

door but on the threshold)

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Bellefonte PA
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Not to compete with our faithful list father, but I snagged some
114/115 doors today.  Anybody need one?  Cover shipping and call it
good.  Have the trunk lid too.

I am intending to source some parts from these filthy things, but if
you need the sheet metal parts, I am happy to ship on your dime. UPS
Ground.


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1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
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Re: [MBZ] 220D doors

2007-01-06 Thread Redghost

Might be body damage to your 73 made the older door not fit well.  The 
doors I have are 1972 model year doors in that nasty cream/white color.


On Jan 5, 2007, at 6:24 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:


I bought a rear door from a 68 115 years ago to
replace  the  crashed one on my 73 220D.  The
replacement door was far off.  It was not even close
to fitting.  Don't  know why.  Still have the damaged
door on the car ten years later.  I'll end up just
repairing it when I get a chance.
Dimitri

--- Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Not to compete with our faithful list father, but I
snagged some
114/115 doors today.  Anybody need one?  Cover
shipping and call it
good.  Have the trunk lid too.

I am intending to source some parts from these
filthy things, but if
you need the sheet metal parts, I am happy to ship
on your dime. UPS
Ground.


--
Clay
Seattle Bioburner

1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz


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1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz

Re: [MBZ] 220D doors

2007-01-06 Thread Dimitri Seretakis

Yeah.  Definitely body damage as both doors and rocker
panel were involved.  The rear door is pretty badly
dented but I'll do my best to fix it.  If I can't then
maybe I try a replacement door again.
Dimitri

--- Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Might be body damage to your 73 made the older door
 not fit well.  The 
 doors I have are 1972 model year doors in that nasty
 cream/white color.
 
 On Jan 5, 2007, at 6:24 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
 
  I bought a rear door from a 68 115 years ago to
  replace  the  crashed one on my 73 220D.  The
  replacement door was far off.  It was not even
 close
  to fitting.  Don't  know why.  Still have the
 damaged
  door on the car ten years later.  I'll end up just
  repairing it when I get a chance.
  Dimitri
 
  --- Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Not to compete with our faithful list father, but
 I
  snagged some
  114/115 doors today.  Anybody need one?  Cover
  shipping and call it
  good.  Have the trunk lid too.
 
  I am intending to source some parts from these
  filthy things, but if
  you need the sheet metal parts, I am happy to
 ship
  on your dime. UPS
  Ground.
 
 
  --
  Clay
  Seattle Bioburner
 
  1972 220D - Gump
  1995 E300D - Cleo
  1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
  The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
 
 
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 1995 E300D - Cleo
 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
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Re: [MBZ] 220D doors

2007-01-05 Thread Jim Cathey


Not to compete with our faithful list father, but I snagged some
114/115 doors today.  Anybody need one?  Cover shipping and call it
good.  Have the trunk lid too.


Any wing-window grays?

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] 220D doors

2007-01-05 Thread ts

I need the plastic door threshold piece on driver and pass side (not on the 
door but on the threshold)

Regards Tom Scordato
Bellefonte PA
- Original Message - 
From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 10:10 PM
Subject: [MBZ] 220D doors

Not to compete with our faithful list father, but I snagged some
114/115 doors today.  Anybody need one?  Cover shipping and call it
good.  Have the trunk lid too.

I am intending to source some parts from these filthy things, but if
you need the sheet metal parts, I am happy to ship on your dime. UPS
Ground.

--
Clay
Seattle Bioburner

1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz

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Re: [MBZ] 220D seller on CRACK!

2006-12-26 Thread Redghost


SEVERE CRACK!

Gump was all of $117.50 and in as good of shape as he thinks his is.

On Dec 20, 2006, at 10:32 AM, kevin kraly wrote:

Here's an ad for a 1970 220D for $3200.  for that price, it sure does 
need

lots of work.

http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/car/251587390.html

I could buy nearly 3 of my 300SD's for that!

Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
1983 300SD 265K miles, Ursula bought for $1300, what a steal!
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Clay
Seattle Bioburner

1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz

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