Re: [MBZ] 240D Shifter

2021-05-11 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 I think Jamie is right. My '85 190D had some weird shifter issues, it's been a 
long time but I remember not being able to find reverse reliably and having to 
push it out of a couple parking spaces. New shifter bushings fixed it.
-Curt

On Monday, May 10, 2021, 9:19:32 PM EDT, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 HI John,
Most likely the bushings on each end of the shift rods (there are three of
them, so 6 bushings) are probably gone.  This causes the levers on the
shifter to end up in odd places and occasionally jam.  There are also
bushing in the shifter itself that can contribute to the problem.  Best
action is to order up all the bushings from the classic center and spend a
weekend rebuilding everything.  You'll be surprised by how nice it can all
be when repaired properly.

Good luck
Jaime


On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 8:07 PM John Ingram via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Hello list,
> I have a ’83 240D with a 4 speed manual.  The car has about 330K miles.  I
> was driving today and when shifting into 2nd gear the shifter got stuck in
> neutral position and would not move in any direction, I pulled and pushed
> the lever and it freed up and I continued on everything working fine. I
> headed home and on a hill had to downshift into first and the shifter
> suddenly felt like it was not connected to anything.  The car was still in
> 3rd gear but I couldn’t start out in 3rd and it stalled. I started the
> engine and the shifter and transmission worked normally the rest of the way
> home.  The problem is intermittent, from normal to stuck to normal to
> disconnected to normal.
> Has anyone ever experienced this on a 240D 4-speed?  Any ideas as to what
> it could be?
>
> Thank you
> John Ingram
> Maryland
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Shifter

2021-05-10 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
What Jaime said. I never had one get that bad, but I did replace a bunch of
those bushings over the years ---

On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 8:19 PM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> HI John,
> Most likely the bushings on each end of the shift rods (there are three of
> them, so 6 bushings) are probably gone.  This causes the levers on the
> shifter to end up in odd places and occasionally jam.  There are also
> bushing in the shifter itself that can contribute to the problem.  Best
> action is to order up all the bushings from the classic center and spend a
> weekend rebuilding everything.  You'll be surprised by how nice it can all
> be when repaired properly.
>
> Good luck
> Jaime
>
>
> On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 8:07 PM John Ingram via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello list,
> > I have a ’83 240D with a 4 speed manual.  The car has about 330K miles.
> I
> > was driving today and when shifting into 2nd gear the shifter got stuck
> in
> > neutral position and would not move in any direction, I pulled and pushed
> > the lever and it freed up and I continued on everything working fine. I
> > headed home and on a hill had to downshift into first and the shifter
> > suddenly felt like it was not connected to anything.  The car was still
> in
> > 3rd gear but I couldn’t start out in 3rd and it stalled. I started the
> > engine and the shifter and transmission worked normally the rest of the
> way
> > home.  The problem is intermittent, from normal to stuck to normal to
> > disconnected to normal.
> > Has anyone ever experienced this on a 240D 4-speed?  Any ideas as to what
> > it could be?
> >
> > Thank you
> > John Ingram
> > Maryland
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Shifter

2021-05-10 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
Agreed, I had a Vanagon with a manual and it was hard to find the gears
when I first got it. Replacing all the bushings and following the
service manual procedure to adjust the linkage made a world of
difference.

Allan

Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes  writes:

> HI John,
> Most likely the bushings on each end of the shift rods (there are three of
> them, so 6 bushings) are probably gone.  This causes the levers on the
> shifter to end up in odd places and occasionally jam.  There are also
> bushing in the shifter itself that can contribute to the problem.  Best
> action is to order up all the bushings from the classic center and spend a
> weekend rebuilding everything.  You'll be surprised by how nice it can all
> be when repaired properly.
>
> Good luck
> Jaime
>
>
> On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 8:07 PM John Ingram via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello list,
>> I have a ’83 240D with a 4 speed manual.  The car has about 330K miles.  I
>> was driving today and when shifting into 2nd gear the shifter got stuck in
>> neutral position and would not move in any direction, I pulled and pushed
>> the lever and it freed up and I continued on everything working fine. I
>> headed home and on a hill had to downshift into first and the shifter
>> suddenly felt like it was not connected to anything.  The car was still in
>> 3rd gear but I couldn’t start out in 3rd and it stalled. I started the
>> engine and the shifter and transmission worked normally the rest of the way
>> home.  The problem is intermittent, from normal to stuck to normal to
>> disconnected to normal.
>> Has anyone ever experienced this on a 240D 4-speed?  Any ideas as to what
>> it could be?
>>
>> Thank you
>> John Ingram
>> Maryland

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Re: [MBZ] 240D Shifter

2021-05-10 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Happened to my 280SE 3.5 coupe as the tech was backing out of the shop.
Lost all control.  As it occurred at the end of the day and meant they had
to keep the car another day, it was very embarrassing.

On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 9:19 PM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> HI John,
> Most likely the bushings on each end of the shift rods (there are three of
> them, so 6 bushings) are probably gone.  This causes the levers on the
> shifter to end up in odd places and occasionally jam.  There are also
> bushing in the shifter itself that can contribute to the problem.  Best
> action is to order up all the bushings from the classic center and spend a
> weekend rebuilding everything.  You'll be surprised by how nice it can all
> be when repaired properly.
>
> Good luck
> Jaime
>
>
> On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 8:07 PM John Ingram via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello list,
> > I have a ’83 240D with a 4 speed manual.  The car has about 330K miles.
> I
> > was driving today and when shifting into 2nd gear the shifter got stuck
> in
> > neutral position and would not move in any direction, I pulled and pushed
> > the lever and it freed up and I continued on everything working fine. I
> > headed home and on a hill had to downshift into first and the shifter
> > suddenly felt like it was not connected to anything.  The car was still
> in
> > 3rd gear but I couldn’t start out in 3rd and it stalled. I started the
> > engine and the shifter and transmission worked normally the rest of the
> way
> > home.  The problem is intermittent, from normal to stuck to normal to
> > disconnected to normal.
> > Has anyone ever experienced this on a 240D 4-speed?  Any ideas as to what
> > it could be?
> >
> > Thank you
> > John Ingram
> > Maryland
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Shifter

2021-05-10 Thread Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
HI John,
Most likely the bushings on each end of the shift rods (there are three of
them, so 6 bushings) are probably gone.  This causes the levers on the
shifter to end up in odd places and occasionally jam.  There are also
bushing in the shifter itself that can contribute to the problem.  Best
action is to order up all the bushings from the classic center and spend a
weekend rebuilding everything.  You'll be surprised by how nice it can all
be when repaired properly.

Good luck
Jaime


On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 8:07 PM John Ingram via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Hello list,
> I have a ’83 240D with a 4 speed manual.  The car has about 330K miles.  I
> was driving today and when shifting into 2nd gear the shifter got stuck in
> neutral position and would not move in any direction, I pulled and pushed
> the lever and it freed up and I continued on everything working fine. I
> headed home and on a hill had to downshift into first and the shifter
> suddenly felt like it was not connected to anything.  The car was still in
> 3rd gear but I couldn’t start out in 3rd and it stalled. I started the
> engine and the shifter and transmission worked normally the rest of the way
> home.  The problem is intermittent, from normal to stuck to normal to
> disconnected to normal.
> Has anyone ever experienced this on a 240D 4-speed?  Any ideas as to what
> it could be?
>
> Thank you
> John Ingram
> Maryland
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Shifter

2006-07-14 Thread John Ingram

 Brian and Jim-
Thank you for your replies.  I have 2 questions:

[In the meantime, does it help if you push toward the ground as you  
move it
into first? I've started doing that after a couple grinds. I'm not  
sure if

my bushing is warn, or if I just had a tendency to lift up slightly upon
seleting first gear.

Brian
83 240D]

Brian-  I'll try that.  So, if it were working properly would I have  
to pull up on the shifter to get into reverse?


[I 'repaired' the worn plastic bushing in the Frankenheap's shifter
using Shoe Goo.  Helped a lot.

-- Jim]

Jim-
Where is the worn plastic bushing and how do I get at it and fix it?

John Ingram
83  240D







Re: [MBZ] 240D Shifter

2006-07-14 Thread Jim Cathey

Brian-  I'll try that.  So, if it were working properly would I have
to pull up on the shifter to get into reverse?


Yeah, unless the mechanism is worn (as you suspect).  Or is it push
down?  I think the 4-sp and 5-sp trannies differ in this area.  Once
I'd gone through the Frankenheap's shifter everything started working
a lot better.  With the slop in the bushing repaired the necessary
actions got a lot crisper.  (Heap had a nasty twist in the knob because
one side of the shaft was unpinned in the plastic bushing.  Really
unpleasant to use.)


Where is the worn plastic bushing and how do I get at it and fix it?


It's socketed in the top of the shifter mechanism, where the shaft
holding the knob goes in.  I believe there is a collar that unscrews
from the top that releases the shaft/pin/bushing assembly.  Looks
like a 50-cent part that's meant to be replaced from time to time,
but isn't necessarily easy to come by!

My notes, such as they are, are in 
http://cathey.dogear.com/frankenheap.html

on December 14, 2005.

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Re: [MBZ] 240D Shifter

2006-07-14 Thread Jim Cathey

Brian-  I'll try that.  So, if it were working properly would I have
to pull up on the shifter to get into reverse?


Yeah, unless the mechanism is worn (as you suspect).  Or is it push
down?  I think the 4-sp and 5-sp trannies differ in this area.  Once
I'd gone through the Frankenheap's shifter everything started working
a lot better.  With the slop in the bushing repaired the necessary
actions got a lot crisper.  (Heap had a nasty twist in the knob because
one side of the shaft was unpinned in the plastic bushing.  Really
unpleasant to use.)


Where is the worn plastic bushing and how do I get at it and fix it?


It's socketed in the top of the shifter mechanism, where the shaft
holding the knob goes in.  I believe there is a collar that unscrews
from the top that releases the shaft/pin/bushing assembly.  Looks
like a 50-cent part that's meant to be replaced from time to time,
but isn't necessarily easy to come by!

My notes, such as they are, are in 
http://cathey.dogear.com/frankenheap.html

on December 14, 2005.

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] 240D Shifter

2006-07-13 Thread Zoltan Finks

In the meantime, does it help if you push toward the ground as you move it
into first? I've started doing that after a couple grinds. I'm not sure if
my bushing is warn, or if I just had a tendency to lift up slightly upon
seleting first gear.

Brian
83 240D


On 7/11/06, John Ingram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


The 4-speed shifter in my 240D has a worn reverse lock out.  It
allows me to accidently hit reverse while trying to find 1st gear.  I
hear that the 4-speed shifter used on the 115 chassis 240Ds is better
and does not develop this problem.  Does anyone know if they are
interchangeable?  Does anyone know how I could fix the one in the car?
Thanks,
John Ingram
83 240D

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Re: [MBZ] 240D Shifter

2006-07-13 Thread Jim Cathey
In the meantime, does it help if you push toward the ground as you 
move it
into first? I've started doing that after a couple grinds. I'm not 
sure if
my bushing is warn, or if I just had a tendency to lift up slightly 
upon

seleting first gear.


I 'repaired' the worn plastic bushing in the Frankenheap's shifter
using Shoe Goo.  Helped a lot.

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] 240D Shifter

2006-07-11 Thread archer
If you take the shifter out, you'll probably find that the collar on the 
plastic bushing has broken partially or completely off.  A new bushing 
ordered from Germany will probably solve the problem.
Meade Dillon [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent me diagrams and parts numbers 
which were invaluable in replacing parts that had fallen off and dropped to 
the road.  The diagrams were on a hard drive that went bad but here are the 
parts number he sent later on.  These refer to the drawing which you will 
need to identify the bushing and any missing parts:

...
Key part, these parts are for From vehicle id #307216 (last part of VIN). 
I'm guessing that is correct given the year of your car, you'll need to 
verify that last numbers if VIN are greater than this.


71 -cover- 123 267 00 22
65 -bushing- 123 267 06 50
#20 (kit) = 123 260 28 39 (#'s 62, 59, 77, 107 in diagram)
80 -GUIDE- 123 260 05 76
41 -BUSHING- 115 267 22 50
14 -SHIFTING TUBE- 123 260 18 82
17 -pin- 115 991 03 01
26 -BUSHING-  115 267 07 50
29 -SPACER WASHER- 123 267 02 52 -need 2-
32 -washer- 115 990 26 40
38 -DISC SPRING-  123 993 06 26 -need 2-
44 -WASHER- 115 267 06 76
47 -SPRING- 115 993 93 03
83 -SHIFT LEVER reverse- 115 260 41 39
89 -SHIFT LEVER 1st and 2nd- 123 260 07 39
95 -SHIFT LEVER 3rd and 4th- 123 260 08 39

194 -bushing- 210 992 00 10 -need 3-
167 -lock for bushing- 000 994 29 60 -need 6-
...
Meade may still have the diagrams in his computer if you contact him.
Good luck.
Gerry Archer
'83 300D and 240D

PS: I couldn't find any used shifter assemblies from the usual sources 
nationwide.


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The 4-speed shifter in my 240D has a worn reverse lock out.  It
allows me to accidently hit reverse while trying to find 1st gear.  I
hear that the 4-speed shifter used on the 115 chassis 240Ds is better
and does not develop this problem.  Does anyone know if they are
interchangeable?  Does anyone know how I could fix the one in the car?
Thanks,
John Ingram
83 240D

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