Re: [MBZ] 420

2015-05-31 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Nope, we called the UN425. Apparently my coworkers do know how to use Google.
-Curt

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 Subject: 420
   
So Curt,  you are teaching a course on 420? LOL.On May 31, 2015 10:40 PM, Curt 
Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

One of the classes I teach is coded UN422. When we brought out another class 
for its little brother product some of my colleagues suggested naming it the 
UN420. I said there was no way I was going to teach 420 but I wouldn't explain. 
I figured they ought to know how to work google by now.
-Curt
      From: Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
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Cc: Craig diese...@pisquared.net
 Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 5:55 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Shirley's mishaps [was: Re: Today's project]

On Sun, 31 May 2015 12:49:16 -0700 Rick Knoble via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Craig inquires:

   ...oh, so you are one of those guys, you hippie.
 
  Hippie? Please explain.

 420 is an urban slang expression for marijuana.


Boy, I never would have guessed that! I set my alarm weeks ago, long
before I knew the slang expression.




Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL

2014-09-23 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com writes:

 Which does result in a new thread in gmail . . .

But which does not in smarter email clients...

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL

2014-09-23 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Wed, 24 Sep 2014 00:40:02 -0400 Allan Streib via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com writes:
 
  Which does result in a new thread in gmail . . .
 
 But which does not in smarter email clients...

True.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL

2014-09-22 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
That's pretty steep for my market based on your description.  More like a $2500 
car around here if it's in good condition and everything works.  Maybe $3000 if 
it's really clean and has records.

Dan


On Sep 22, 2014, at 12:13 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
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 Oops
 
 Did not change the subject line
 
   
 
   
 
   
 
 
 What would you be prepared to pay for a decent looking 87 420SEL?
 Has 158K miles and looks good in photos.
 Seller seems pretty stuck on his price as it has been for sale for at least 6 
 months.
 Asking price is $3500 Cdn.
 
 RB
 
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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL

2014-09-22 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
Ok, so the price is not stupid - just on the high side of what you would 
think down where you are.

I am in Canada and there are a lot fewer of this sort of thing around here.
If we adjust for the difference in the dollar then we also take about 
10% off these days too.


RB


On 22/09/2014 11:33 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

That's pretty steep for my market based on your description.  More like a $2500 
car around here if it's in good condition and everything works.  Maybe $3000 if 
it's really clean and has records.

Dan


On Sep 22, 2014, at 12:13 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
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Oops

Did not change the subject line








What would you be prepared to pay for a decent looking 87 420SEL?
Has 158K miles and looks good in photos.
Seller seems pretty stuck on his price as it has been for sale for at least 6 
months.
Asking price is $3500 Cdn.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL

2014-09-22 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
No, I don't think it's stupid, but I would expect it to be a pretty nice 
specimen at that price.

Dan


On Sep 22, 2014, at 12:43 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

 Ok, so the price is not stupid - just on the high side of what you would 
 think down where you are.
 I am in Canada and there are a lot fewer of this sort of thing around here.
 If we adjust for the difference in the dollar then we also take about 10% off 
 these days too.
 
 RB
 
 
 On 22/09/2014 11:33 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
 That's pretty steep for my market based on your description.  More like a 
 $2500 car around here if it's in good condition and everything works.  Maybe 
 $3000 if it's really clean and has records.
 
 Dan
 
 
 On Sep 22, 2014, at 12:13 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Oops
 
 Did not change the subject line
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 What would you be prepared to pay for a decent looking 87 420SEL?
 Has 158K miles and looks good in photos.
 Seller seems pretty stuck on his price as it has been for sale for at least 
 6 months.
 Asking price is $3500 Cdn.
 
 RB
 
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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL

2014-09-22 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes


http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/winnipeg/1987-mercedez-benz-420-series/454304279?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true


On 22/09/2014 11:47 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

No, I don't think it's stupid, but I would expect it to be a pretty nice 
specimen at that price.

Dan


On Sep 22, 2014, at 12:43 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:


Ok, so the price is not stupid - just on the high side of what you would think 
down where you are.
I am in Canada and there are a lot fewer of this sort of thing around here.
If we adjust for the difference in the dollar then we also take about 10% off 
these days too.

RB


On 22/09/2014 11:33 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

That's pretty steep for my market based on your description.  More like a $2500 
car around here if it's in good condition and everything works.  Maybe $3000 if 
it's really clean and has records.

Dan


On Sep 22, 2014, at 12:13 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


Oops

Did not change the subject line








What would you be prepared to pay for a decent looking 87 420SEL?
Has 158K miles and looks good in photos.
Seller seems pretty stuck on his price as it has been for sale for at least 6 
months.
Asking price is $3500 Cdn.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL

2014-09-22 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
It's a dealer, which explains the price.  Get a PPI if you're interested.

Dan

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 http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/winnipeg/1987-mercedez-benz-420-series/454304279?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
 
 


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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL

2014-09-22 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 11:13:01 -0500 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
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 Oops
 
 Did not change the subject line

It would be nice, too, if you would start a new email instead of replying
to an existing thread, so it would have its own thread.

But that's being picky ...


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL

2014-09-22 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

On 22/09/2014 12:18 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 11:13:01 -0500 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


Oops

Did not change the subject line

It would be nice, too, if you would start a new email instead of replying
to an existing thread, so it would have its own thread.

But that's being picky ...


Craig



But that is why I needed to change the subject line.
I don't bother to remember or type in the MB address.
I just reply to whatever, and then change the subject line.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL

2014-09-22 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Which does result in a new thread in gmail . . .

On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 On 22/09/2014 12:18 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

 On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 11:13:01 -0500 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

  Oops

 Did not change the subject line

 It would be nice, too, if you would start a new email instead of replying
 to an existing thread, so it would have its own thread.

 But that's being picky ...


 Craig


  But that is why I needed to change the subject line.
 I don't bother to remember or type in the MB address.
 I just reply to whatever, and then change the subject line.

 RB

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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL

2014-09-22 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
Yeah, but a Chevy dealer and about 90 miles away in a small town with no 
one likely to be very knowledgeable about MB so not easy to do.
My guess, for what it is worth, is that the car maybe belonged to the 
owner of the dealership or his wife, or father etc.
It just seems odd to me that they have sat on it at the same price for 
at least 6 months. That sort of says to me that they have a personal 
interest in it or they would have just sent it to the auction long ago.


Randy


On 22/09/2014 11:59 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

It's a dealer, which explains the price.  Get a PPI if you're interested.

Dan

On Sep 22, 2014, at 12:56 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:


http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/winnipeg/1987-mercedez-benz-420-series/454304279?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true




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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL

2014-09-22 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
There is one for sale here that has been for sale for quite a while for $1500 
with 148k miles. Shame, these are nice cars and worth so much more.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 22, 2014, at 1:52 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Yeah, but a Chevy dealer and about 90 miles away in a small town with no one 
 likely to be very knowledgeable about MB so not easy to do.
 My guess, for what it is worth, is that the car maybe belonged to the owner 
 of the dealership or his wife, or father etc.
 It just seems odd to me that they have sat on it at the same price for at 
 least 6 months. That sort of says to me that they have a personal interest in 
 it or they would have just sent it to the auction long ago.
 
 Randy
 
 
 On 22/09/2014 11:59 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
 It's a dealer, which explains the price.  Get a PPI if you're interested.
 
 Dan
 
 On Sep 22, 2014, at 12:56 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:
 
 http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/winnipeg/1987-mercedez-benz-420-series/454304279?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
 
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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL

2014-09-22 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Agreed.  There's got to be some attachment or emotion involved, or they're 
blinded by the tristar and have unrealistic ideas of its value.

There's a 3400 mile 1991 500SL on BW right now.  The owners, an older couple 
who bought the car new, went for a drive and found the car had a head gasket 
leak, which was due to a failure of the metal on the block at the edge of one 
of the cylinder bores.  Only fix is new engine or tear down the existing one 
and weld/machine the block.  Needless to say it's a big chunk of change for 
either.

They're trying to sell it now, quoting the original sticker price, etc., 
without much activity other than people politely telling them they're nuts.

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/r129-sl-class/1502707-items-sale-wanted-trade-29.html#post10146785

Dan

On Sep 22, 2014, at 2:52 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

 Yeah, but a Chevy dealer and about 90 miles away in a small town with no one 
 likely to be very knowledgeable about MB so not easy to do.
 My guess, for what it is worth, is that the car maybe belonged to the owner 
 of the dealership or his wife, or father etc.
 It just seems odd to me that they have sat on it at the same price for at 
 least 6 months. That sort of says to me that they have a personal interest in 
 it or they would have just sent it to the auction long ago.
 
 Randy
 
 
 On 22/09/2014 11:59 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
 It's a dealer, which explains the price.  Get a PPI if you're interested.
 
 Dan
 
 On Sep 22, 2014, at 12:56 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:
 
 http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/winnipeg/1987-mercedez-benz-420-series/454304279?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL

2014-09-22 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
What would a used engine transplant cost?  The car is awesomely pretty and
might be worth the investment since at some future time this model might be
deemed a classic.

The 420SEL OTOH has zero upside potential.

On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Agreed.  There's got to be some attachment or emotion involved, or they're
 blinded by the tristar and have unrealistic ideas of its value.

 There's a 3400 mile 1991 500SL on BW right now.  The owners, an older
 couple who bought the car new, went for a drive and found the car had a
 head gasket leak, which was due to a failure of the metal on the block at
 the edge of one of the cylinder bores.  Only fix is new engine or tear down
 the existing one and weld/machine the block.  Needless to say it's a big
 chunk of change for either.

 They're trying to sell it now, quoting the original sticker price, etc.,
 without much activity other than people politely telling them they're nuts.


 http://www.benzworld.org/forums/r129-sl-class/1502707-items-sale-wanted-trade-29.html#post10146785

 Dan

 On Sep 22, 2014, at 2:52 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

  Yeah, but a Chevy dealer and about 90 miles away in a small town with no
 one likely to be very knowledgeable about MB so not easy to do.
  My guess, for what it is worth, is that the car maybe belonged to the
 owner of the dealership or his wife, or father etc.
  It just seems odd to me that they have sat on it at the same price for
 at least 6 months. That sort of says to me that they have a personal
 interest in it or they would have just sent it to the auction long ago.
 
  Randy
 
 
  On 22/09/2014 11:59 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
  It's a dealer, which explains the price.  Get a PPI if you're
 interested.
 
  Dan
 
  On Sep 22, 2014, at 12:56 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca
 wrote:
 
 
 http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/winnipeg/1987-mercedez-benz-420-series/454304279?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL

2014-09-22 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

On 22/09/2014 5:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
  


The 420SEL OTOH has zero upside potential.


Not much likely if one drives it through the winters and puts another 2 
or 3 hundred thousand k on it?


RB who does not have deep enough pockets or long enough arms to have a 
car like that sit around in a garage to wait while it appreciates (and 
do note what happened to it while it waited!)


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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL

2014-09-22 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

Did it grow up on the salted roads of Winnipooland?   ;)

Wilt
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From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
To: Craig diese...@pisquared.net; Mercedes Discussion List 
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Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL



On 22/09/2014 12:18 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 11:13:01 -0500 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


Oops

Did not change the subject line

It would be nice, too, if you would start a new email instead of replying
to an existing thread, so it would have its own thread.

But that's being picky ...


Craig



But that is why I needed to change the subject line.
I don't bother to remember or type in the MB address.
I just reply to whatever, and then change the subject line.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL

2014-09-22 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
You wouldn't buy that car for upside potential.  You buy it because you like it 
and want to drive it.

Anyone who buys a car of that age and vintage isn't buying it for upside 
potential.

Dan

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 On Sep 22, 2014, at 6:49 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 On 22/09/2014 5:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
  
 The 420SEL OTOH has zero upside potential.
 
 
 Not much likely if one drives it through the winters and puts another 2 or 3 
 hundred thousand k on it?
 
 RB who does not have deep enough pockets or long enough arms to have a car 
 like that sit around in a garage to wait while it appreciates (and do note 
 what happened to it while it waited!)
 
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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL

2014-09-22 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
There is a separate thread in the For sale forum where a couple of people 
have addressed that. A decent used low mile engine would be around $2k.

The problem with that is the loss of matching numbers, if that matters. If it 
were me and I wanted to maintain the value and integrity, I would have the 
original engine torn down and repaired.

I don't see the R129 being a classic for a long, long time. Too many of them 
produced and certainly nothing special about the lines or design in my opinion. 
 And I own one, too.

The problem with this car, I believe, is the owners are placing too much 
emphasis on potential value.  There is no clear direction on how it might be 
repaired or restored, and no matter how it is done, it will never, ever 
possess the value that it held prior to the engine failure.

In my mind the car is worth maybe $10-15k at best. Figure a used engine at $2k 
of a complete rebuild at $5k and you still would be hard pressed to recover the 
value, if possible.

I think they're screwed if you ask me.

Dan

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 On Sep 22, 2014, at 6:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 What would a used engine transplant cost?  The car is awesomely pretty and 
 might be worth the investment since at some future time this model might be 
 deemed a classic.
 
 The 420SEL OTOH has zero upside potential.
 
 On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 Agreed.  There's got to be some attachment or emotion involved, or they're 
 blinded by the tristar and have unrealistic ideas of its value.
 
 There's a 3400 mile 1991 500SL on BW right now.  The owners, an older couple 
 who bought the car new, went for a drive and found the car had a head gasket 
 leak, which was due to a failure of the metal on the block at the edge of 
 one of the cylinder bores.  Only fix is new engine or tear down the existing 
 one and weld/machine the block.  Needless to say it's a big chunk of change 
 for either.
 
 They're trying to sell it now, quoting the original sticker price, etc., 
 without much activity other than people politely telling them they're nuts.
 
 http://www.benzworld.org/forums/r129-sl-class/1502707-items-sale-wanted-trade-29.html#post10146785
 
 Dan
 
 On Sep 22, 2014, at 2:52 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:
 
  Yeah, but a Chevy dealer and about 90 miles away in a small town with no 
  one likely to be very knowledgeable about MB so not easy to do.
  My guess, for what it is worth, is that the car maybe belonged to the 
  owner of the dealership or his wife, or father etc.
  It just seems odd to me that they have sat on it at the same price for at 
  least 6 months. That sort of says to me that they have a personal interest 
  in it or they would have just sent it to the auction long ago.
 
  Randy
 
 
  On 22/09/2014 11:59 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
  It's a dealer, which explains the price.  Get a PPI if you're interested.
 
  Dan
 
  On Sep 22, 2014, at 12:56 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:
 
  http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/winnipeg/1987-mercedez-benz-420-series/454304279?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL

2014-09-22 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Their car is worth about 2k the way it sits.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 22, 2014, at 6:51 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 There is a separate thread in the For sale forum where a couple of people 
 have addressed that. A decent used low mile engine would be around $2k.
 
 The problem with that is the loss of matching numbers, if that matters. If it 
 were me and I wanted to maintain the value and integrity, I would have the 
 original engine torn down and repaired.
 
 I don't see the R129 being a classic for a long, long time. Too many of 
 them produced and certainly nothing special about the lines or design in my 
 opinion.  And I own one, too.
 
 The problem with this car, I believe, is the owners are placing too much 
 emphasis on potential value.  There is no clear direction on how it might 
 be repaired or restored, and no matter how it is done, it will never, ever 
 possess the value that it held prior to the engine failure.
 
 In my mind the car is worth maybe $10-15k at best. Figure a used engine at 
 $2k of a complete rebuild at $5k and you still would be hard pressed to 
 recover the value, if possible.
 
 I think they're screwed if you ask me.
 
 Dan
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Sep 22, 2014, at 6:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 What would a used engine transplant cost?  The car is awesomely pretty and 
 might be worth the investment since at some future time this model might be 
 deemed a classic.
 
 The 420SEL OTOH has zero upside potential.
 
 On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 Agreed.  There's got to be some attachment or emotion involved, or they're 
 blinded by the tristar and have unrealistic ideas of its value.
 
 There's a 3400 mile 1991 500SL on BW right now.  The owners, an older 
 couple who bought the car new, went for a drive and found the car had a 
 head gasket leak, which was due to a failure of the metal on the block at 
 the edge of one of the cylinder bores.  Only fix is new engine or tear down 
 the existing one and weld/machine the block.  Needless to say it's a big 
 chunk of change for either.
 
 They're trying to sell it now, quoting the original sticker price, etc., 
 without much activity other than people politely telling them they're nuts.
 
 http://www.benzworld.org/forums/r129-sl-class/1502707-items-sale-wanted-trade-29.html#post10146785
 
 Dan
 
 On Sep 22, 2014, at 2:52 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:
 
 Yeah, but a Chevy dealer and about 90 miles away in a small town with no 
 one likely to be very knowledgeable about MB so not easy to do.
 My guess, for what it is worth, is that the car maybe belonged to the 
 owner of the dealership or his wife, or father etc.
 It just seems odd to me that they have sat on it at the same price for at 
 least 6 months. That sort of says to me that they have a personal interest 
 in it or they would have just sent it to the auction long ago.
 
 Randy
 
 
 On 22/09/2014 11:59 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
 It's a dealer, which explains the price.  Get a PPI if you're interested.
 
 Dan
 
 On Sep 22, 2014, at 12:56 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:
 
 http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/winnipeg/1987-mercedez-benz-420-series/454304279?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
 
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Re: [MBZ] 420 sel light switch

2011-11-09 Thread Dan Penoff
The only lamp in the switch is for the fog light, but it is not installed in 
US-spec cars.

Dan

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 Can anyone tell me if there should be a light in the light switch (I have 
 several mbz with same switch). If there is a light, how do I replace it?
 
 TNX
 
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Re: [MBZ] 420 sel light switch

2011-11-09 Thread Jim Cathey
Can anyone tell me if there should be a light in the light switch (I 
have several mbz with same switch). If there is a light, how do I 
replace it?


There's a light in the center of the knob, it's to indicate
that the rear fog light is on.  The knob pulls off to access
the bulb.  The bezel often has its own dash light too, but
that's accessed from behind.

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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL High RPM

2009-04-18 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
If the SRS light is on, then its the overvoltage relay.  Its going to be 
the relay with the little flip up door and the fuse on top of it (red) 
between the 2 firewalls.  Check the fuse, otherwise replace the relay.


Ken Rushing wrote:

The SRS light is on. Is there a way to test the overvoltage relay? or idle
computer or actuator?




does the SRS light come on at the same time?  If so, its the overvoltage

relay.  If not, probably the idle computer or actuator.
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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL High RPM

2009-04-18 Thread Jim Cathey
The SRS light is on. Is there a way to test the overvoltage relay? or 
idle

computer or actuator?


You just did.  Nothing taking power from the overvoltage
relay is working right.

Replace its fuse, and at least try re-seating the relay.
That alone may do it.

These older OVP relays are pretty simple inside, the
metal cover slips off and you can see what's inside.
I've seen bad solder joints in those, too.  There's
a big 18V Zener diode in there whose job it is to blow
the fuse and un-power the relay, if power goes out of
its tolerable limits.  Not much to go wrong, and not much
to fix, either.

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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL High RPM

2009-04-18 Thread John Freer
Oh yeah, one other thing. Try not to drive the car in stop and go
traffic until you get this fixed as the stress on the tranny will
cause high heat and ultimate failure. Big bucks.
John

On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote:
 The SRS light is on. Is there a way to test the overvoltage relay? or idle
 computer or actuator?

 You just did.  Nothing taking power from the overvoltage
 relay is working right.

 Replace its fuse, and at least try re-seating the relay.
 That alone may do it.

 These older OVP relays are pretty simple inside, the
 metal cover slips off and you can see what's inside.
 I've seen bad solder joints in those, too.  There's
 a big 18V Zener diode in there whose job it is to blow
 the fuse and un-power the relay, if power goes out of
 its tolerable limits.  Not much to go wrong, and not much
 to fix, either.

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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL High RPM

2009-04-17 Thread Peter Frederick
Idle control valve -- about have the size of a coke can, connected to  
the air meter horn boot at the rear of the manifold (bottom half,  
it's sorta buried).


Make sure it's connected and the hoses are intact.

You should also pull the codes from the computer to see what if any  
error codes are stored.


Peter

On Apr 17, 2009, at 9:51 PM, Ken Rushing wrote:

My son has an '87 420 SEL and once started, RPM's reach 2000 at  
idle within
4 seconds. The linkage isn't bound and does not appear to have even  
moved

once started. Where should I begin?
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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL High RPM

2009-04-17 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
does the SRS light come on at the same time?  If so, its the overvoltage 
relay.  If not, probably the idle computer or actuator.


Ken Rushing wrote:

My son has an '87 420 SEL and once started, RPM's reach 2000 at idle within
4 seconds. The linkage isn't bound and does not appear to have even moved
once started. Where should I begin?
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Re: [MBZ] 420 again

2007-11-08 Thread Tom Hargrave
Kaleb,

I've not been able to find time to take pictures of the 220#. Unfortunately,
I'm working 80hrs + / wk.

Thanks,
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well as soon as I get the ip back on my 92 2.5turbo, I will be back in 
that game again.  Then I will still need to sell the 420.

OK Don wrote:
 Hmmm - my 300D 2.5 is 29.375 mpg this tank.
 
 On 11/2/07, Kaleb C. Striplin (CAT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Well my 420 is now up to 21mpg.

 

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Re: [MBZ] 420 again

2007-11-03 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
well as soon as I get the ip back on my 92 2.5turbo, I will be back in 
that game again.  Then I will still need to sell the 420.

OK Don wrote:
 Hmmm - my 300D 2.5 is 29.375 mpg this tank.
 
 On 11/2/07, Kaleb C. Striplin (CAT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Well my 420 is now up to 21mpg.

 

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Re: [MBZ] 420 again

2007-11-03 Thread Luther
As soon as I make it to Tulsa on Monday.

On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 08:04:19 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 well as soon as I get the ip back on my 92 2.5turbo, I will be back in
 that game again.  Then I will still need to sell the 420.

 OK Don wrote:
 Hmmm - my 300D 2.5 is 29.375 mpg this tank.

 On 11/2/07, Kaleb C. Striplin (CAT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Well my 420 is now up to 21mpg.






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Re: [MBZ] 420 again

2007-11-02 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, work
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 That's the same as my Jeep - interested in trading for a 1959 220S?
 
 Tom
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Re: [MBZ] 420 again

2007-11-02 Thread Tom Hargrave
That's the same as my Jeep - interested in trading for a 1959 220S?

Tom
256-656-1924
 
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Subject: [MBZ] 420 again
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Well my 420 is now up to 21mpg.  

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Re: [MBZ] 420 again

2007-11-02 Thread OK Don
Hmmm - my 300D 2.5 is 29.375 mpg this tank.

On 11/2/07, Kaleb C. Striplin (CAT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Well my 420 is now up to 21mpg.


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Re: [MBZ] 420

2007-10-28 Thread Tom Hargrave
My 87 300SDL gets 22 MPG city, 25 MPG highway and the mileage is right in
line with the government standards.

Thanks,
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 420

Well, any SDL I have ever had always got about 22-23, 27 or so on the 
highway.  Seems like anything I have always gets lower mileage than 
anybody else though.

Jim Cathey wrote:
 Well since I have sold my SDL I have been driving my 90 420SEL.  I 
 have been getting 20mpg with it.  The SDL got 22-23.  With the price 
 of diesel being much higher than diesel right now, the 420 seems 
 cheaper to drive.  Its got way more power and is way smoother, thats 
 for sure.
 
 Does that make you 420-friendly?  :-)
 
 Something was wrong with your SDL, ours turns in a very reliable
 27 MPG, pretty much no matter what.
 
 -- Jim
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] 420

2007-10-28 Thread Allan Streib
I don't know either answer.  I'll try to find out what the status of  
the vehicle is.  The owner of the hardware store next door said that  
they occasionally auction off unclaimed vehicles.

Allan
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1966 230

On Oct 28, 2007, at 1:22 AM, Luther wrote:

 What year???  What color interior??

 On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 19:18:15 -0500, Allan Streib  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Noticed a 560 SEL in an towing impound yard here today.  Damage down
 the passenger side, but didn't look all that bad.  The rest of the
 car seemed to be in pretty good shape, but I'd guess it's going to go
 to Insurance Auto Auctions, assuming it had coverage.

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Re: [MBZ] 420

2007-10-27 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Well, any SDL I have ever had always got about 22-23, 27 or so on the 
highway.  Seems like anything I have always gets lower mileage than 
anybody else though.

Jim Cathey wrote:
 Well since I have sold my SDL I have been driving my 90 420SEL.  I 
 have been getting 20mpg with it.  The SDL got 22-23.  With the price 
 of diesel being much higher than diesel right now, the 420 seems 
 cheaper to drive.  Its got way more power and is way smoother, thats 
 for sure.
 
 Does that make you 420-friendly?  :-)
 
 Something was wrong with your SDL, ours turns in a very reliable
 27 MPG, pretty much no matter what.
 
 -- Jim
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] 420

2007-10-27 Thread Allan Streib
Noticed a 560 SEL in an towing impound yard here today.  Damage down  
the passenger side, but didn't look all that bad.  The rest of the  
car seemed to be in pretty good shape, but I'd guess it's going to go  
to Insurance Auto Auctions, assuming it had coverage.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] 420

2007-10-27 Thread Luther
What year???  What color interior??

On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 19:18:15 -0500, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Noticed a 560 SEL in an towing impound yard here today.  Damage down
 the passenger side, but didn't look all that bad.  The rest of the
 car seemed to be in pretty good shape, but I'd guess it's going to go
 to Insurance Auto Auctions, assuming it had coverage.

 Allan
 --
 1983 300D
 1966 230





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Re: [MBZ] 420

2007-10-26 Thread Tom Hargrave
I found the same with my Jeep Grand Cherokee and I drive the jeep 95% of the
time.

Thanks,
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Well since I have sold my SDL I have been driving my 90 420SEL.  I have been
getting 20mpg with it.  The SDL got 22-23.  With the price of diesel being
much higher than diesel right now, the 420 seems cheaper to drive.  Its got
way more power and is way smoother, thats for sure.

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Re: [MBZ] 420

2007-10-26 Thread Harry Watkins
When you get home in your 420 SEL this afternoon, check on my part will you?

Thanks
Harry


On 10/26/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Well since I have sold my SDL I have been driving my 90 420SEL.  I have
 been getting 20mpg with it.  The SDL got 22-23.  With the price of diesel
 being much higher than diesel right now, the 420 seems cheaper to
 drive.  Its got way more power and is way smoother, thats for sure.

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Re: [MBZ] 420

2007-10-26 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, work
why yes, yes I will.

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 When you get home in your 420 SEL this afternoon, check on my part will 
 you?

 Thanks
 Harry


 On 10/26/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Well since I have sold my SDL I have been driving my 90 420SEL.  I have
 been getting 20mpg with it.  The SDL got 22-23.  With the price of diesel
 being much higher than diesel right now, the 420 seems cheaper to
 drive.  Its got way more power and is way smoother, thats for sure.

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Re: [MBZ] 420

2007-10-26 Thread Curt Raymond

Diesel here is about $3.15. Your SDL got about 10% better mileage than the SEL.
10% of $31.5 is $2.83. If your gas is that price or cheaper you're saving money 
(assuming you're paying the same for diesel.

That car needs premium? Around here thats $2.90 or more so it'd make not so 
much sense. Of course unless you drive a lot of miles we're not talking a 
tremendous amount of money.

-Curt

Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 09:15:27 -0500
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Subject: [MBZ] 420
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Well since I have sold my SDL I have been driving my 90 420SEL.  I have
 been getting 20mpg with it.  The SDL got 22-23.  With the price of
 diesel being much higher than diesel right now, the 420 seems cheaper to
 drive.  Its got way more power and is way smoother, thats for sure.

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Re: [MBZ] 420

2007-10-26 Thread Jim Cathey
 Well since I have sold my SDL I have been driving my 90 420SEL.  I 
 have been getting 20mpg with it.  The SDL got 22-23.  With the price 
 of diesel being much higher than diesel right now, the 420 seems 
 cheaper to drive.  Its got way more power and is way smoother, thats 
 for sure.

Does that make you 420-friendly?  :-)

Something was wrong with your SDL, ours turns in a very reliable
27 MPG, pretty much no matter what.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 420

2007-10-26 Thread OK Don
I get 24-26 in the SDL, and 29 city and 33 hwy in the 300D 2.5.



 Something was wrong with your SDL, ours turns in a very reliable
 27 MPG, pretty much no matter what.

 -- Jim

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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL test port question?

2007-07-12 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On 7/11/07, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Everyone,

  He says it needs
 rear brakes as the light comes on.  Is the light just an indicator there is
 a fluid inbalance, or faulty master cylinder?


Is it the parking brake light (BRAKE) or the lining light
(concentric broken circles)?  The former means low fluid or
sticking/misadjusted parking brake mechanism (common on 124s, not sure
about 126s); the latter means worn pads or faulty (intermittently
grounding) sensors.

Alex Chamberlain

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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL test port question?

2007-07-12 Thread E M
Thanks Alex.

Ed

On 12/07/07, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 7/11/07, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi Everyone,
 
   He says it needs
  rear brakes as the light comes on.  Is the light just an indicator there
 is
  a fluid inbalance, or faulty master cylinder?
 

 Is it the parking brake light (BRAKE) or the lining light
 (concentric broken circles)?  The former means low fluid or
 sticking/misadjusted parking brake mechanism (common on 124s, not sure
 about 126s); the latter means worn pads or faulty (intermittently
 grounding) sensors.

 Alex Chamberlain

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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL test port question?

2007-07-11 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, Laptop
I have a very clean 90 420SEL for sale

E M wrote:
 Hi Everyone,
 
 Going to look at a 420 SEL later this week.  I know the V8s have a test
 port.  Is it the same as the 300E, red on #3 and black on ground if you want
 to have a look at the 02 sensor to see what's up with a dwell meter?  Also,
 where does rust like to hide in these beasts?  I'm told the car is extra
 clean with only about 100,000 miles, so we will see.  Few records tough, so
 I'll look extra close and a PPI on this one before buying.  He says it needs
 rear brakes as the light comes on.  Is the light just an indicator there is
 a fluid inbalance, or faulty master cylinder?
 
 Thanks everyone.
 
 Ed
 300E
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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL test port question?

2007-07-11 Thread E M
Looked at your pics and like it, but too far away.  This one is local.  I
wanted a 560, but the few I saw and liked, people didn't want to part with
them.

Thanks anyway.

Ed
300E

On 11/07/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, Laptop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have a very clean 90 420SEL for sale

 E M wrote:
  Hi Everyone,
 
  Going to look at a 420 SEL later this week.  I know the V8s have a test
  port.  Is it the same as the 300E, red on #3 and black on ground if you
 want
  to have a look at the 02 sensor to see what's up with a dwell
 meter?  Also,
  where does rust like to hide in these beasts?  I'm told the car is extra
  clean with only about 100,000 miles, so we will see.  Few records tough,
 so
  I'll look extra close and a PPI on this one before buying.  He says it
 needs
  rear brakes as the light comes on.  Is the light just an indicator there
 is
  a fluid inbalance, or faulty master cylinder?
 
  Thanks everyone.
 
  Ed
  300E
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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL test port question?

2007-07-11 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, Laptop
so where are you located?

E M wrote:
 Looked at your pics and like it, but too far away.  This one is local.  I
 wanted a 560, but the few I saw and liked, people didn't want to part with
 them.
 
 Thanks anyway.
 
 Ed
 300E
 
 On 11/07/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, Laptop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have a very clean 90 420SEL for sale

 E M wrote:
 Hi Everyone,

 Going to look at a 420 SEL later this week.  I know the V8s have a test
 port.  Is it the same as the 300E, red on #3 and black on ground if you
 want
 to have a look at the 02 sensor to see what's up with a dwell
 meter?  Also,
 where does rust like to hide in these beasts?  I'm told the car is extra
 clean with only about 100,000 miles, so we will see.  Few records tough,
 so
 I'll look extra close and a PPI on this one before buying.  He says it
 needs
 rear brakes as the light comes on.  Is the light just an indicator there
 is
 a fluid inbalance, or faulty master cylinder?

 Thanks everyone.

 Ed
 300E
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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL test port question?

2007-07-11 Thread E M
central Canada.

On 11/07/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, Laptop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 so where are you located?

 E M wrote:
  Looked at your pics and like it, but too far away.  This one is
 local.  I
  wanted a 560, but the few I saw and liked, people didn't want to part
 with
  them.
 
  Thanks anyway.
 
  Ed
  300E
 
  On 11/07/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, Laptop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I have a very clean 90 420SEL for sale
 
  E M wrote:
  Hi Everyone,
 
  Going to look at a 420 SEL later this week.  I know the V8s have a
 test
  port.  Is it the same as the 300E, red on #3 and black on ground if
 you
  want
  to have a look at the 02 sensor to see what's up with a dwell
  meter?  Also,
  where does rust like to hide in these beasts?  I'm told the car is
 extra
  clean with only about 100,000 miles, so we will see.  Few records
 tough,
  so
  I'll look extra close and a PPI on this one before buying.  He says it
  needs
  rear brakes as the light comes on.  Is the light just an indicator
 there
  is
  a fluid inbalance, or faulty master cylinder?
 
  Thanks everyone.
 
  Ed
  300E
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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL test port question?

2007-07-11 Thread andrew strasfogel
Does Central Canda mean Winnipeg, Flin Flon or Hudson's Bay?

On 7/11/07, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 central Canada.

 On 11/07/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, Laptop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  so where are you located?
 
  E M wrote:
   Looked at your pics and like it, but too far away.  This one is
  local.  I
   wanted a 560, but the few I saw and liked, people didn't want to part
  with
   them.
  
   Thanks anyway.
  
   Ed
   300E
  
   On 11/07/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, Laptop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   I have a very clean 90 420SEL for sale
  
   E M wrote:
   Hi Everyone,
  
   Going to look at a 420 SEL later this week.  I know the V8s have a
  test
   port.  Is it the same as the 300E, red on #3 and black on ground if
  you
   want
   to have a look at the 02 sensor to see what's up with a dwell
   meter?  Also,
   where does rust like to hide in these beasts?  I'm told the car is
  extra
   clean with only about 100,000 miles, so we will see.  Few records
  tough,
   so
   I'll look extra close and a PPI on this one before buying.  He says it
   needs
   rear brakes as the light comes on.  Is the light just an indicator
  there
   is
   a fluid inbalance, or faulty master cylinder?
  
   Thanks everyone.
  
   Ed
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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL test port question?

2007-07-11 Thread E M
It means too far a drive to the US to buy a car. :-)

Ed
300E

On 11/07/07, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Does Central Canda mean Winnipeg, Flin Flon or Hudson's Bay?

 On 7/11/07, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  central Canada.
 
  On 11/07/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, Laptop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   so where are you located?
  
   E M wrote:
Looked at your pics and like it, but too far away.  This one is
   local.  I
wanted a 560, but the few I saw and liked, people didn't want to
 part
   with
them.
   
Thanks anyway.
   
Ed
300E
   
On 11/07/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, Laptop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a very clean 90 420SEL for sale
   
E M wrote:
Hi Everyone,
   
Going to look at a 420 SEL later this week.  I know the V8s have a
   test
port.  Is it the same as the 300E, red on #3 and black on ground
 if
   you
want
to have a look at the 02 sensor to see what's up with a dwell
meter?  Also,
where does rust like to hide in these beasts?  I'm told the car is
   extra
clean with only about 100,000 miles, so we will see.  Few records
   tough,
so
I'll look extra close and a PPI on this one before buying.  He
 says it
needs
rear brakes as the light comes on.  Is the light just an indicator
   there
is
a fluid inbalance, or faulty master cylinder?
   
Thanks everyone.
   
Ed
300E
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Re: [MBZ] 420/560 ignition control module

2006-07-20 Thread OK Don

Because they designed them that way.  Same reason that my '90 300D 2.5
uses a different vacuum pump from the all the other 602 engines - both
before and after.




Anybody know why the ignition module would be different for a 420 and a
560?  I dont see why they would need a different unit.  Anybody?



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Re: [MBZ] 420/560 ignition control module

2006-07-19 Thread Steve MacSween
on 7/19/06 11:38 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Anybody know why the ignition module would be different for a 420 and a
 560?  I dont see why they would need a different unit.  Anybody?

Oh, you slay me. As if. Same reason there are at least two different vacuum
routing setups, for the same year of OM616?

Mac
Not being helpful at all




Re: [MBZ] 420/560 ignition control module

2006-07-19 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

haha, yea

Steve MacSween wrote:


on 7/19/06 11:38 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Anybody know why the ignition module would be different for a 420 and a
560?  I dont see why they would need a different unit.  Anybody?



Oh, you slay me. As if. Same reason there are at least two different vacuum
routing setups, for the same year of OM616?

Mac
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Re: [MBZ] 420/560 ignition control module

2006-07-19 Thread Luther Gulseth


to frustrate you.  Is it working?

Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

 Anybody know why the ignition module would be different for a 420 and a 
 560?  I dont see why they would need a different unit.  Anybody?
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Re: [MBZ] 420 for Sale (560 SEL)

2005-09-29 Thread James Jetton
Hi listers,
I am thinking about putting my pride and joy '87 560 SEL , 107k, up for sale.  
The following items have been done in the last year:
New timing chain and guide rails
valve stem seals
valve cover gaskets
new radiator hoses
new belts
$1150.00 worth of air conditioning work
new rear hyd spheres
front shocks
tie rods 
upper and lower ball joints
trailing arm kit
Continental tires
Newer used seats to replace my holey bolster
Leatherique conditioning on all seats (look factory new)
carpets steam cleaned
new headlight doors
new center driveshaft bearing
flex disks
brake support bearings
rotors, bearings, and pads
I love this car but it is causing some major strife with the SO, So I told her 
I would begin the process of selling her.
This is a mechanically sound car, drives fantastic, needs only one thing: 
paint.  It needs a decent paint job.  The paint on the roof and rear deck lid 
need painting.
For those interested, I can email pictures.  For those closest enough for a 
visit, come on.  I'd rather sell to a group of Mercedes people given the choice.

James S. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
email for telephone numbers if interested


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 420 for Sale (560 SEL)

Hi listers,
I am thinking about putting my pride and joy '87 560 SEL , 107k, up for
sale.  The following items have been done in the last year:
New timing chain and guide rails
valve stem seals
valve cover gaskets
new radiator hoses
new belts
$1150.00 worth of air conditioning work
new rear hyd spheres
front shocks
tie rods
upper and lower ball joints
trailing arm kit
Continental tires
Newer used seats to replace my holey bolster Leatherique conditioning on all
seats (look factory new) carpets steam cleaned new headlight doors new
center driveshaft bearing flex disks brake support bearings rotors,
bearings, and pads I love this car but it is causing some major strife with
the SO, So I told her I would begin the process of selling her.
This is a mechanically sound car, drives fantastic, needs only one thing:
paint.  It needs a decent paint job.  The paint on the roof and rear deck
lid need painting.
For those interested, I can email pictures.  For those closest enough for a
visit, come on.  I'd rather sell to a group of Mercedes people given the
choice.

James S. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
email for telephone numbers if interested


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Re: [MBZ] 420 for Sale (560 SEL)

2005-09-29 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

How much and where are you located?

James Jetton wrote:


Hi listers,
I am thinking about putting my pride and joy '87 560 SEL , 107k, up for sale.  
The following items have been done in the last year:
New timing chain and guide rails
valve stem seals
valve cover gaskets
new radiator hoses
new belts

$1150.00 worth of air conditioning work
new rear hyd spheres
front shocks
tie rods 
upper and lower ball joints

trailing arm kit
Continental tires
Newer used seats to replace my holey bolster
Leatherique conditioning on all seats (look factory new)
carpets steam cleaned
new headlight doors
new center driveshaft bearing
flex disks
brake support bearings
rotors, bearings, and pads
I love this car but it is causing some major strife with the SO, So I told her 
I would begin the process of selling her.
This is a mechanically sound car, drives fantastic, needs only one thing: 
paint.  It needs a decent paint job.  The paint on the roof and rear deck lid 
need painting.
For those interested, I can email pictures.  For those closest enough for a 
visit, come on.  I'd rather sell to a group of Mercedes people given the choice.

James S. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
email for telephone numbers if interested


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Re: [MBZ] 420 FOIR SALE

2005-06-20 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

I will give you $1200 for it.

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1988 VERY CLEAN NO BUT MAYBE TOMORROW 
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Re: [MBZ] 420 FOIR SALE

2005-06-20 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

yep. OK, $1450

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Re: [MBZ] 420 FOIR SALE

2005-06-20 Thread Steve MacSween
ROTFLMAO!

Actually, Kaleb is a bit hard of hearing. You sometimes have to shout to get
his attention.

Mac

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Re: [MBZ] 420 FOIR SALE

2005-06-20 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

just ask Regina.

Steve MacSween wrote:


ROTFLMAO!

Actually, Kaleb is a bit hard of hearing. You sometimes have to shout to get
his attention.

Mac

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On the left side of your keyboard is a key that says CapsLock

Press it once.

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