Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL Tail of Woe

2024-02-14 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
And you can start your own tale of woe. On Wed, Feb 14, 2024, 12:33 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Yup. Dealer can get you a key in three days or less for probably $50 or a > little under that. I would also buy a spare ignition lock cylinder at the > same time,

Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL Tail of Woe

2024-02-14 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes
Yup. Dealer can get you a key in three days or less for probably $50 or a little under that. I would also buy a spare ignition lock cylinder at the same time, keyed to the VIN, since the original is probably worn out as well. -D On Feb 14, 2024, at 9:03 AM, Robert Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:

Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL Tail of Woe

2024-02-14 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
Take 10 bens, get tittle and get a key cut for maybe $50? now?  Looks really nice. --FTSent from iFōnOn Feb 14, 2024, at 11:04 AM, Robert Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/373750938726274/ Looks quite nice.  AZBob Sent from Mail for Windows 

Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL

2014-09-23 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com writes: Which does result in a new thread in gmail . . . But which does not in smarter email clients... Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or

Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL

2014-09-23 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Wed, 24 Sep 2014 00:40:02 -0400 Allan Streib via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com writes: Which does result in a new thread in gmail . . . But which does not in smarter email clients... True. Craig

Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL

2014-09-22 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
That's pretty steep for my market based on your description. More like a $2500 car around here if it's in good condition and everything works. Maybe $3000 if it's really clean and has records. Dan On Sep 22, 2014, at 12:13 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Oops

Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL

2014-09-22 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
Ok, so the price is not stupid - just on the high side of what you would think down where you are. I am in Canada and there are a lot fewer of this sort of thing around here. If we adjust for the difference in the dollar then we also take about 10% off these days too. RB On 22/09/2014 11:33

Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL

2014-09-22 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
No, I don't think it's stupid, but I would expect it to be a pretty nice specimen at that price. Dan On Sep 22, 2014, at 12:43 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Ok, so the price is not stupid - just on the high side of what you would think down where you are. I am in Canada and

Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL

2014-09-22 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/winnipeg/1987-mercedez-benz-420-series/454304279?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true On 22/09/2014 11:47 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: No, I don't think it's stupid, but I would expect it to be a pretty nice specimen at that price. Dan On Sep 22, 2014,

Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL

2014-09-22 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
It's a dealer, which explains the price. Get a PPI if you're interested. Dan On Sep 22, 2014, at 12:56 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/winnipeg/1987-mercedez-benz-420-series/454304279?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true

Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL

2014-09-22 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 11:13:01 -0500 Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Oops Did not change the subject line It would be nice, too, if you would start a new email instead of replying to an existing thread, so it would have its own thread. But that's being picky ...

Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL

2014-09-22 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
On 22/09/2014 12:18 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 11:13:01 -0500 Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Oops Did not change the subject line It would be nice, too, if you would start a new email instead of replying to an existing thread, so it would have

Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL

2014-09-22 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Which does result in a new thread in gmail . . . On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On 22/09/2014 12:18 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 11:13:01 -0500 Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Oops

Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL

2014-09-22 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
Yeah, but a Chevy dealer and about 90 miles away in a small town with no one likely to be very knowledgeable about MB so not easy to do. My guess, for what it is worth, is that the car maybe belonged to the owner of the dealership or his wife, or father etc. It just seems odd to me that they

Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL

2014-09-22 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
There is one for sale here that has been for sale for quite a while for $1500 with 148k miles. Shame, these are nice cars and worth so much more. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 22, 2014, at 1:52 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yeah, but a Chevy dealer and about 90

Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL

2014-09-22 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Agreed. There's got to be some attachment or emotion involved, or they're blinded by the tristar and have unrealistic ideas of its value. There's a 3400 mile 1991 500SL on BW right now. The owners, an older couple who bought the car new, went for a drive and found the car had a head gasket

Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL

2014-09-22 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
What would a used engine transplant cost? The car is awesomely pretty and might be worth the investment since at some future time this model might be deemed a classic. The 420SEL OTOH has zero upside potential. On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL

2014-09-22 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
On 22/09/2014 5:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: The 420SEL OTOH has zero upside potential. Not much likely if one drives it through the winters and puts another 2 or 3 hundred thousand k on it? RB who does not have deep enough pockets or long enough arms to have a car like

Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL

2014-09-22 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
Did it grow up on the salted roads of Winnipooland? ;) Wilt - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Craig diese...@pisquared.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 420

Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL

2014-09-22 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
You wouldn't buy that car for upside potential. You buy it because you like it and want to drive it. Anyone who buys a car of that age and vintage isn't buying it for upside potential. Dan Sent from my iPad On Sep 22, 2014, at 6:49 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL

2014-09-22 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
There is a separate thread in the For sale forum where a couple of people have addressed that. A decent used low mile engine would be around $2k. The problem with that is the loss of matching numbers, if that matters. If it were me and I wanted to maintain the value and integrity, I would have

Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL

2014-09-22 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Their car is worth about 2k the way it sits. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 22, 2014, at 6:51 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: There is a separate thread in the For sale forum where a couple of people have addressed that. A decent used low mile engine would be around

Re: [MBZ] 420 sel light switch

2011-11-09 Thread Dan Penoff
The only lamp in the switch is for the fog light, but it is not installed in US-spec cars. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Nov 9, 2011, at 11:34 AM, Douglas Jones dojo...@dcacable.net wrote: Can anyone tell me if there should be a light in the light switch (I have several mbz with same switch).

Re: [MBZ] 420 sel light switch

2011-11-09 Thread Jim Cathey
Can anyone tell me if there should be a light in the light switch (I have several mbz with same switch). If there is a light, how do I replace it? There's a light in the center of the knob, it's to indicate that the rear fog light is on. The knob pulls off to access the bulb. The bezel often

Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL High RPM

2009-04-18 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
If the SRS light is on, then its the overvoltage relay. Its going to be the relay with the little flip up door and the fuse on top of it (red) between the 2 firewalls. Check the fuse, otherwise replace the relay. Ken Rushing wrote: The SRS light is on. Is there a way to test the overvoltage

Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL High RPM

2009-04-18 Thread Jim Cathey
The SRS light is on. Is there a way to test the overvoltage relay? or idle computer or actuator? You just did. Nothing taking power from the overvoltage relay is working right. Replace its fuse, and at least try re-seating the relay. That alone may do it. These older OVP relays are pretty

Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL High RPM

2009-04-18 Thread John Freer
Oh yeah, one other thing. Try not to drive the car in stop and go traffic until you get this fixed as the stress on the tranny will cause high heat and ultimate failure. Big bucks. John On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: The SRS light is on. Is there a way

Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL High RPM

2009-04-17 Thread Peter Frederick
Idle control valve -- about have the size of a coke can, connected to the air meter horn boot at the rear of the manifold (bottom half, it's sorta buried). Make sure it's connected and the hoses are intact. You should also pull the codes from the computer to see what if any error codes

Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL High RPM

2009-04-17 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
does the SRS light come on at the same time? If so, its the overvoltage relay. If not, probably the idle computer or actuator. Ken Rushing wrote: My son has an '87 420 SEL and once started, RPM's reach 2000 at idle within 4 seconds. The linkage isn't bound and does not appear to have even

Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL test port question?

2007-07-12 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On 7/11/07, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Everyone, He says it needs rear brakes as the light comes on. Is the light just an indicator there is a fluid inbalance, or faulty master cylinder? Is it the parking brake light (BRAKE) or the lining light (concentric broken circles)? The

Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL test port question?

2007-07-12 Thread E M
Thanks Alex. Ed On 12/07/07, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/11/07, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Everyone, He says it needs rear brakes as the light comes on. Is the light just an indicator there is a fluid inbalance, or faulty master cylinder? Is it the

Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL test port question?

2007-07-11 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, Laptop
I have a very clean 90 420SEL for sale E M wrote: Hi Everyone, Going to look at a 420 SEL later this week. I know the V8s have a test port. Is it the same as the 300E, red on #3 and black on ground if you want to have a look at the 02 sensor to see what's up with a dwell meter? Also,

Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL test port question?

2007-07-11 Thread E M
Looked at your pics and like it, but too far away. This one is local. I wanted a 560, but the few I saw and liked, people didn't want to part with them. Thanks anyway. Ed 300E On 11/07/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, Laptop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a very clean 90 420SEL for sale E M wrote:

Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL test port question?

2007-07-11 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, Laptop
so where are you located? E M wrote: Looked at your pics and like it, but too far away. This one is local. I wanted a 560, but the few I saw and liked, people didn't want to part with them. Thanks anyway. Ed 300E On 11/07/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, Laptop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I

Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL test port question?

2007-07-11 Thread E M
central Canada. On 11/07/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, Laptop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so where are you located? E M wrote: Looked at your pics and like it, but too far away. This one is local. I wanted a 560, but the few I saw and liked, people didn't want to part with them. Thanks

Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL test port question?

2007-07-11 Thread andrew strasfogel
Does Central Canda mean Winnipeg, Flin Flon or Hudson's Bay? On 7/11/07, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: central Canada. On 11/07/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, Laptop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so where are you located? E M wrote: Looked at your pics and like it, but too far away. This one is

Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL test port question?

2007-07-11 Thread E M
It means too far a drive to the US to buy a car. :-) Ed 300E On 11/07/07, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does Central Canda mean Winnipeg, Flin Flon or Hudson's Bay? On 7/11/07, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: central Canada. On 11/07/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, Laptop [EMAIL