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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL Tail of Woe

2024-02-14 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

And you can start your own tale of woe.

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> Yup. Dealer can get you a key in three days or less for probably $50 or a
> little under that. I would also buy a spare ignition lock cylinder at the
> same time, keyed to the VIN, since the original is probably worn out as
> well.
>
> -D
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> On Feb 14, 2024, at 9:03 AM, Robert Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/373750938726274/
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> Looks quite nice.
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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL Tail of Woe

2024-02-14 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes

Yup. Dealer can get you a key in three days or less for probably $50 or a 
little under that. I would also buy a spare ignition lock cylinder at the same 
time, keyed to the VIN, since the original is probably worn out as well.

-D

On Feb 14, 2024, at 9:03 AM, Robert Rentfro via Mercedes 
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https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/373750938726274/

Looks quite nice.

AZBob

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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL Tail of Woe

2024-02-14 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes

Take 10 bens, get tittle and get a key cut for maybe $50? now?  Looks really nice. --FTSent from iFōnOn Feb 14, 2024, at 11:04 AM, Robert Rentfro via Mercedes  wrote:https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/373750938726274/ Looks quite nice.  AZBob Sent from Mail for Windows 

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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL

2014-09-23 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes

OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com writes:

 Which does result in a new thread in gmail . . .

But which does not in smarter email clients...

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL

2014-09-23 Thread Craig via Mercedes

On Wed, 24 Sep 2014 00:40:02 -0400 Allan Streib via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com writes:
 
  Which does result in a new thread in gmail . . .
 
 But which does not in smarter email clients...

True.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL

2014-09-22 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes

That's pretty steep for my market based on your description.  More like a $2500 
car around here if it's in good condition and everything works.  Maybe $3000 if 
it's really clean and has records.

Dan


On Sep 22, 2014, at 12:13 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
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 Oops
 
 Did not change the subject line
 
   
 
   
 
   
 
 
 What would you be prepared to pay for a decent looking 87 420SEL?
 Has 158K miles and looks good in photos.
 Seller seems pretty stuck on his price as it has been for sale for at least 6 
 months.
 Asking price is $3500 Cdn.
 
 RB
 
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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL

2014-09-22 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

Ok, so the price is not stupid - just on the high side of what you would 
think down where you are.

I am in Canada and there are a lot fewer of this sort of thing around here.
If we adjust for the difference in the dollar then we also take about 
10% off these days too.


RB


On 22/09/2014 11:33 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

That's pretty steep for my market based on your description.  More like a $2500 
car around here if it's in good condition and everything works.  Maybe $3000 if 
it's really clean and has records.

Dan


On Sep 22, 2014, at 12:13 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
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Oops

Did not change the subject line








What would you be prepared to pay for a decent looking 87 420SEL?
Has 158K miles and looks good in photos.
Seller seems pretty stuck on his price as it has been for sale for at least 6 
months.
Asking price is $3500 Cdn.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL

2014-09-22 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes

No, I don't think it's stupid, but I would expect it to be a pretty nice 
specimen at that price.

Dan


On Sep 22, 2014, at 12:43 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

 Ok, so the price is not stupid - just on the high side of what you would 
 think down where you are.
 I am in Canada and there are a lot fewer of this sort of thing around here.
 If we adjust for the difference in the dollar then we also take about 10% off 
 these days too.
 
 RB
 
 
 On 22/09/2014 11:33 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
 That's pretty steep for my market based on your description.  More like a 
 $2500 car around here if it's in good condition and everything works.  Maybe 
 $3000 if it's really clean and has records.
 
 Dan
 
 
 On Sep 22, 2014, at 12:13 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Oops
 
 Did not change the subject line
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 What would you be prepared to pay for a decent looking 87 420SEL?
 Has 158K miles and looks good in photos.
 Seller seems pretty stuck on his price as it has been for sale for at least 
 6 months.
 Asking price is $3500 Cdn.
 
 RB
 
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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL

2014-09-22 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

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On 22/09/2014 11:47 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

No, I don't think it's stupid, but I would expect it to be a pretty nice
specimen at that price.

Dan

On Sep 22, 2014, at 12:43 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

Ok, so the price is not stupid - just on the high side of what you would think
down where you are.
I am in Canada and there are a lot fewer of this sort of thing around here.
If we adjust for the difference in the dollar then we also take about 10% off
these days too.

On 22/09/2014 11:33 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

That's pretty steep for my market based on your description. More like a $2500
car around here if it's in good condition and everything works. Maybe $3000 if
it's really clean and has records.

Dan

On Sep 22, 2014, at 12:13 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

Oops

Did not change the subject line

What would you be prepared to pay for a decent looking 87 420SEL?
Has 158K miles and looks good in photos.
Seller seems pretty stuck on his price as it has been for sale for at least 6
months.
Asking price is $3500 Cdn.

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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL

2014-09-22 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes

It's a dealer, which explains the price.  Get a PPI if you're interested.

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL

2014-09-22 Thread Craig via Mercedes

On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 11:13:01 -0500 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
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 Oops
 
 Did not change the subject line

It would be nice, too, if you would start a new email instead of replying
to an existing thread, so it would have its own thread.

But that's being picky ...


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL

2014-09-22 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes


On 22/09/2014 12:18 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 11:13:01 -0500 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


Oops

Did not change the subject line

It would be nice, too, if you would start a new email instead of replying
to an existing thread, so it would have its own thread.

But that's being picky ...


Craig



But that is why I needed to change the subject line.
I don't bother to remember or type in the MB address.
I just reply to whatever, and then change the subject line.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL

2014-09-22 Thread OK Don via Mercedes

Which does result in a new thread in gmail . . .

On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 On 22/09/2014 12:18 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

 On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 11:13:01 -0500 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

  Oops

 Did not change the subject line

 It would be nice, too, if you would start a new email instead of replying
 to an existing thread, so it would have its own thread.

 But that's being picky ...


 Craig


  But that is why I needed to change the subject line.
 I don't bother to remember or type in the MB address.
 I just reply to whatever, and then change the subject line.

 RB

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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL

2014-09-22 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

Yeah, but a Chevy dealer and about 90 miles away in a small town with no
one likely to be very knowledgeable about MB so not easy to do.
My guess, for what it is worth, is that the car maybe belonged to the
owner of the dealership or his wife, or father etc.
It just seems odd to me that they have sat on it at the same price for
at least 6 months. That sort of says to me that they have a personal
interest in it or they would have just sent it to the auction long ago.

Randy

On 22/09/2014 11:59 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

It's a dealer, which explains the price. Get a PPI if you're interested.

Dan

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http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/winnipeg/1987-mercedez-benz-420-series/454304279?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true

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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL

2014-09-22 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes

There is one for sale here that has been for sale for quite a while for $1500
with 148k miles. Shame, these are nice cars and worth so much more.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 22, 2014, at 1:52 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

Yeah, but a Chevy dealer and about 90 miles away in a small town with no one
likely to be very knowledgeable about MB so not easy to do.
My guess, for what it is worth, is that the car maybe belonged to the owner
of the dealership or his wife, or father etc.
It just seems odd to me that they have sat on it at the same price for at
least 6 months. That sort of says to me that they have a personal interest in
it or they would have just sent it to the auction long ago.

Randy

On 22/09/2014 11:59 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
It's a dealer, which explains the price. Get a PPI if you're interested.

Dan

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http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/winnipeg/1987-mercedez-benz-420-series/454304279?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true

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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL

2014-09-22 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes

Agreed. There's got to be some attachment or emotion involved, or they're
blinded by the tristar and have unrealistic ideas of its value.

There's a 3400 mile 1991 500SL on BW right now. The owners, an older couple
who bought the car new, went for a drive and found the car had a head gasket
leak, which was due to a failure of the metal on the block at the edge of one
of the cylinder bores. Only fix is new engine or tear down the existing one
and weld/machine the block. Needless to say it's a big chunk of change for
either.

They're trying to sell it now, quoting the original sticker price, etc.,
without much activity other than people politely telling them they're nuts.

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/r129-sl-class/1502707-items-sale-wanted-trade-29.html#post10146785

Dan

On Sep 22, 2014, at 2:52 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

Yeah, but a Chevy dealer and about 90 miles away in a small town with no one
likely to be very knowledgeable about MB so not easy to do.
My guess, for what it is worth, is that the car maybe belonged to the owner
of the dealership or his wife, or father etc.
It just seems odd to me that they have sat on it at the same price for at
least 6 months. That sort of says to me that they have a personal interest in
it or they would have just sent it to the auction long ago.

Randy

On 22/09/2014 11:59 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
It's a dealer, which explains the price. Get a PPI if you're interested.

Dan

On Sep 22, 2014, at 12:56 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/winnipeg/1987-mercedez-benz-420-series/454304279?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true

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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL

2014-09-22 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

What would a used engine transplant cost? The car is awesomely pretty and
might be worth the investment since at some future time this model might be
deemed a classic.

The 420SEL OTOH has zero upside potential.

On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

Agreed. There's got to be some attachment or emotion involved, or they're
blinded by the tristar and have unrealistic ideas of its value.

There's a 3400 mile 1991 500SL on BW right now. The owners, an older
couple who bought the car new, went for a drive and found the car had a
head gasket leak, which was due to a failure of the metal on the block at
the edge of one of the cylinder bores. Only fix is new engine or tear down
the existing one and weld/machine the block. Needless to say it's a big
chunk of change for either.

They're trying to sell it now, quoting the original sticker price, etc.,
without much activity other than people politely telling them they're nuts.

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/r129-sl-class/1502707-items-sale-wanted-trade-29.html#post10146785

Dan

On Sep 22, 2014, at 2:52 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

Randy

On 22/09/2014 11:59 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
It's a dealer, which explains the price. Get a PPI if you're
interested.

Dan

On Sep 22, 2014, at 12:56 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca
wrote:

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/winnipeg/1987-mercedez-benz-420-series/454304279?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true

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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL

2014-09-22 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes


On 22/09/2014 5:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
  


The 420SEL OTOH has zero upside potential.


Not much likely if one drives it through the winters and puts another 2 
or 3 hundred thousand k on it?


RB who does not have deep enough pockets or long enough arms to have a 
car like that sit around in a garage to wait while it appreciates (and 
do note what happened to it while it waited!)


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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL

2014-09-22 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

Did it grow up on the salted roads of Winnipooland?   ;)

Wilt
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On 22/09/2014 12:18 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 11:13:01 -0500 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

Oops

Did not change the subject line

It would be nice, too, if you would start a new email instead of replying
to an existing thread, so it would have its own thread.

But that's being picky ...

Craig

But that is why I needed to change the subject line.
I don't bother to remember or type in the MB address.
I just reply to whatever, and then change the subject line.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL

2014-09-22 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes

You wouldn't buy that car for upside potential.  You buy it because you like it 
and want to drive it.

Anyone who buys a car of that age and vintage isn't buying it for upside 
potential.

Dan

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 On Sep 22, 2014, at 6:49 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 On 22/09/2014 5:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
  
 The 420SEL OTOH has zero upside potential.
 
 
 Not much likely if one drives it through the winters and puts another 2 or 3 
 hundred thousand k on it?
 
 RB who does not have deep enough pockets or long enough arms to have a car 
 like that sit around in a garage to wait while it appreciates (and do note 
 what happened to it while it waited!)
 
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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL

2014-09-22 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes

There is a separate thread in the For sale forum where a couple of people
have addressed that. A decent used low mile engine would be around $2k.

The problem with that is the loss of matching numbers, if that matters. If it
were me and I wanted to maintain the value and integrity, I would have the
original engine torn down and repaired.

I don't see the R129 being a classic for a long, long time. Too many of them
produced and certainly nothing special about the lines or design in my opinion.
And I own one, too.

The problem with this car, I believe, is the owners are placing too much
emphasis on potential value. There is no clear direction on how it might be
repaired or restored, and no matter how it is done, it will never, ever
possess the value that it held prior to the engine failure.

In my mind the car is worth maybe $10-15k at best. Figure a used engine at $2k
of a complete rebuild at $5k and you still would be hard pressed to recover the
value, if possible.

I think they're screwed if you ask me.

Dan

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On Sep 22, 2014, at 6:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:

What would a used engine transplant cost? The car is awesomely pretty and
might be worth the investment since at some future time this model might be
deemed a classic.

The 420SEL OTOH has zero upside potential.

On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
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Agreed. There's got to be some attachment or emotion involved, or they're
blinded by the tristar and have unrealistic ideas of its value.

There's a 3400 mile 1991 500SL on BW right now. The owners, an older couple
who bought the car new, went for a drive and found the car had a head gasket
leak, which was due to a failure of the metal on the block at the edge of
one of the cylinder bores. Only fix is new engine or tear down the existing
one and weld/machine the block. Needless to say it's a big chunk of change
for either.

They're trying to sell it now, quoting the original sticker price, etc.,
without much activity other than people politely telling them they're nuts.

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/r129-sl-class/1502707-items-sale-wanted-trade-29.html#post10146785

Dan

On Sep 22, 2014, at 2:52 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

Yeah, but a Chevy dealer and about 90 miles away in a small town with no
one likely to be very knowledgeable about MB so not easy to do.
My guess, for what it is worth, is that the car maybe belonged to the
owner of the dealership or his wife, or father etc.
It just seems odd to me that they have sat on it at the same price for at
least 6 months. That sort of says to me that they have a personal interest
in it or they would have just sent it to the auction long ago.

Randy

On 22/09/2014 11:59 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
It's a dealer, which explains the price. Get a PPI if you're interested.

Dan

On Sep 22, 2014, at 12:56 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/winnipeg/1987-mercedez-benz-420-series/454304279?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true

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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL

2014-09-22 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes

Their car is worth about 2k the way it sits.

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On Sep 22, 2014, at 6:51 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

There is a separate thread in the For sale forum where a couple of people
have addressed that. A decent used low mile engine would be around $2k.

The problem with that is the loss of matching numbers, if that matters. If it
were me and I wanted to maintain the value and integrity, I would have the
original engine torn down and repaired.

I don't see the R129 being a classic for a long, long time. Too many of
them produced and certainly nothing special about the lines or design in my
opinion. And I own one, too.

The problem with this car, I believe, is the owners are placing too much
emphasis on potential value. There is no clear direction on how it might
be repaired or restored, and no matter how it is done, it will never, ever
possess the value that it held prior to the engine failure.

In my mind the car is worth maybe $10-15k at best. Figure a used engine at
$2k of a complete rebuild at $5k and you still would be hard pressed to
recover the value, if possible.

I think they're screwed if you ask me.

Dan

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On Sep 22, 2014, at 6:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:

What would a used engine transplant cost? The car is awesomely pretty and
might be worth the investment since at some future time this model might be
deemed a classic.

The 420SEL OTOH has zero upside potential.

There's a 3400 mile 1991 500SL on BW right now. The owners, an older
couple who bought the car new, went for a drive and found the car had a
head gasket leak, which was due to a failure of the metal on the block at
the edge of one of the cylinder bores. Only fix is new engine or tear down
the existing one and weld/machine the block. Needless to say it's a big
chunk of change for either.

They're trying to sell it now, quoting the original sticker price, etc.,
without much activity other than people politely telling them they're nuts.

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/r129-sl-class/1502707-items-sale-wanted-trade-29.html#post10146785

Dan

On Sep 22, 2014, at 2:52 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

Yeah, but a Chevy dealer and about 90 miles away in a small town with no
one likely to be very knowledgeable about MB so not easy to do.
My guess, for what it is worth, is that the car maybe belonged to the
owner of the dealership or his wife, or father etc.
It just seems odd to me that they have sat on it at the same price for at
least 6 months. That sort of says to me that they have a personal interest
in it or they would have just sent it to the auction long ago.

Randy

On 22/09/2014 11:59 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
It's a dealer, which explains the price. Get a PPI if you're interested.

Dan

On Sep 22, 2014, at 12:56 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/winnipeg/1987-mercedez-benz-420-series/454304279?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true

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Re: [MBZ] 420 sel light switch

2011-11-09 Thread Dan Penoff

The only lamp in the switch is for the fog light, but it is not installed in 
US-spec cars.

Dan

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 Can anyone tell me if there should be a light in the light switch (I have 
 several mbz with same switch). If there is a light, how do I replace it?
 
 TNX
 
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Re: [MBZ] 420 sel light switch

2011-11-09 Thread Jim Cathey

Can anyone tell me if there should be a light in the light switch (I 
have several mbz with same switch). If there is a light, how do I 
replace it?


There's a light in the center of the knob, it's to indicate
that the rear fog light is on.  The knob pulls off to access
the bulb.  The bezel often has its own dash light too, but
that's accessed from behind.

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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL High RPM

2009-04-18 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

If the SRS light is on, then its the overvoltage relay.  Its going to be 
the relay with the little flip up door and the fuse on top of it (red) 
between the 2 firewalls.  Check the fuse, otherwise replace the relay.


Ken Rushing wrote:

The SRS light is on. Is there a way to test the overvoltage relay? or idle
computer or actuator?




does the SRS light come on at the same time?  If so, its the overvoltage

relay.  If not, probably the idle computer or actuator.
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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL High RPM

2009-04-18 Thread Jim Cathey

The SRS light is on. Is there a way to test the overvoltage relay? or 
idle

computer or actuator?


You just did.  Nothing taking power from the overvoltage
relay is working right.

Replace its fuse, and at least try re-seating the relay.
That alone may do it.

These older OVP relays are pretty simple inside, the
metal cover slips off and you can see what's inside.
I've seen bad solder joints in those, too.  There's
a big 18V Zener diode in there whose job it is to blow
the fuse and un-power the relay, if power goes out of
its tolerable limits.  Not much to go wrong, and not much
to fix, either.

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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL High RPM

2009-04-18 Thread John Freer

Oh yeah, one other thing. Try not to drive the car in stop and go
traffic until you get this fixed as the stress on the tranny will
cause high heat and ultimate failure. Big bucks.
John

On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote:
 The SRS light is on. Is there a way to test the overvoltage relay? or idle
 computer or actuator?

 You just did.  Nothing taking power from the overvoltage
 relay is working right.

 Replace its fuse, and at least try re-seating the relay.
 That alone may do it.

 These older OVP relays are pretty simple inside, the
 metal cover slips off and you can see what's inside.
 I've seen bad solder joints in those, too.  There's
 a big 18V Zener diode in there whose job it is to blow
 the fuse and un-power the relay, if power goes out of
 its tolerable limits.  Not much to go wrong, and not much
 to fix, either.

 -- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL High RPM

2009-04-17 Thread Peter Frederick

Idle control valve -- about have the size of a coke can, connected to  
the air meter horn boot at the rear of the manifold (bottom half,  
it's sorta buried).


Make sure it's connected and the hoses are intact.

You should also pull the codes from the computer to see what if any  
error codes are stored.


Peter

On Apr 17, 2009, at 9:51 PM, Ken Rushing wrote:

My son has an '87 420 SEL and once started, RPM's reach 2000 at  
idle within
4 seconds. The linkage isn't bound and does not appear to have even  
moved

once started. Where should I begin?
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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL High RPM

2009-04-17 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

does the SRS light come on at the same time?  If so, its the overvoltage 
relay.  If not, probably the idle computer or actuator.


Ken Rushing wrote:

My son has an '87 420 SEL and once started, RPM's reach 2000 at idle within
4 seconds. The linkage isn't bound and does not appear to have even moved
once started. Where should I begin?
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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL test port question?

2007-07-12 Thread Alex Chamberlain

On 7/11/07, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Everyone,

  He says it needs
 rear brakes as the light comes on.  Is the light just an indicator there is
 a fluid inbalance, or faulty master cylinder?


Is it the parking brake light (BRAKE) or the lining light
(concentric broken circles)?  The former means low fluid or
sticking/misadjusted parking brake mechanism (common on 124s, not sure
about 126s); the latter means worn pads or faulty (intermittently
grounding) sensors.

Alex Chamberlain

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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL test port question?

2007-07-12 Thread E M

Thanks Alex.

Ed

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 On 7/11/07, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi Everyone,
 
   He says it needs
  rear brakes as the light comes on.  Is the light just an indicator there
 is
  a fluid inbalance, or faulty master cylinder?
 

 Is it the parking brake light (BRAKE) or the lining light
 (concentric broken circles)?  The former means low fluid or
 sticking/misadjusted parking brake mechanism (common on 124s, not sure
 about 126s); the latter means worn pads or faulty (intermittently
 grounding) sensors.

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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL test port question?

2007-07-11 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, Laptop

I have a very clean 90 420SEL for sale

E M wrote:
 Hi Everyone,
 
 Going to look at a 420 SEL later this week.  I know the V8s have a test
 port.  Is it the same as the 300E, red on #3 and black on ground if you want
 to have a look at the 02 sensor to see what's up with a dwell meter?  Also,
 where does rust like to hide in these beasts?  I'm told the car is extra
 clean with only about 100,000 miles, so we will see.  Few records tough, so
 I'll look extra close and a PPI on this one before buying.  He says it needs
 rear brakes as the light comes on.  Is the light just an indicator there is
 a fluid inbalance, or faulty master cylinder?
 
 Thanks everyone.
 
 Ed
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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL test port question?

2007-07-11 Thread E M

Looked at your pics and like it, but too far away.  This one is local.  I
wanted a 560, but the few I saw and liked, people didn't want to part with
them.

Thanks anyway.

Ed
300E

On 11/07/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, Laptop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have a very clean 90 420SEL for sale

 E M wrote:
  Hi Everyone,
 
  Going to look at a 420 SEL later this week.  I know the V8s have a test
  port.  Is it the same as the 300E, red on #3 and black on ground if you
 want
  to have a look at the 02 sensor to see what's up with a dwell
 meter?  Also,
  where does rust like to hide in these beasts?  I'm told the car is extra
  clean with only about 100,000 miles, so we will see.  Few records tough,
 so
  I'll look extra close and a PPI on this one before buying.  He says it
 needs
  rear brakes as the light comes on.  Is the light just an indicator there
 is
  a fluid inbalance, or faulty master cylinder?
 
  Thanks everyone.
 
  Ed
  300E
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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL test port question?

2007-07-11 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, Laptop

so where are you located?

E M wrote:
 Looked at your pics and like it, but too far away.  This one is local.  I
 wanted a 560, but the few I saw and liked, people didn't want to part with
 them.
 
 Thanks anyway.
 
 Ed
 300E
 
 On 11/07/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, Laptop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have a very clean 90 420SEL for sale

 E M wrote:
 Hi Everyone,

 Going to look at a 420 SEL later this week.  I know the V8s have a test
 port.  Is it the same as the 300E, red on #3 and black on ground if you
 want
 to have a look at the 02 sensor to see what's up with a dwell
 meter?  Also,
 where does rust like to hide in these beasts?  I'm told the car is extra
 clean with only about 100,000 miles, so we will see.  Few records tough,
 so
 I'll look extra close and a PPI on this one before buying.  He says it
 needs
 rear brakes as the light comes on.  Is the light just an indicator there
 is
 a fluid inbalance, or faulty master cylinder?

 Thanks everyone.

 Ed
 300E
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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL test port question?

2007-07-11 Thread E M

central Canada.

On 11/07/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, Laptop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 so where are you located?

 E M wrote:
  Looked at your pics and like it, but too far away.  This one is
 local.  I
  wanted a 560, but the few I saw and liked, people didn't want to part
 with
  them.
 
  Thanks anyway.
 
  Ed
  300E
 
  On 11/07/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, Laptop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I have a very clean 90 420SEL for sale
 
  E M wrote:
  Hi Everyone,
 
  Going to look at a 420 SEL later this week.  I know the V8s have a
 test
  port.  Is it the same as the 300E, red on #3 and black on ground if
 you
  want
  to have a look at the 02 sensor to see what's up with a dwell
  meter?  Also,
  where does rust like to hide in these beasts?  I'm told the car is
 extra
  clean with only about 100,000 miles, so we will see.  Few records
 tough,
  so
  I'll look extra close and a PPI on this one before buying.  He says it
  needs
  rear brakes as the light comes on.  Is the light just an indicator
 there
  is
  a fluid inbalance, or faulty master cylinder?
 
  Thanks everyone.
 
  Ed
  300E
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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL test port question?

2007-07-11 Thread andrew strasfogel

Does Central Canda mean Winnipeg, Flin Flon or Hudson's Bay?

On 7/11/07, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 central Canada.

 On 11/07/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, Laptop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  so where are you located?
 
  E M wrote:
   Looked at your pics and like it, but too far away.  This one is
  local.  I
   wanted a 560, but the few I saw and liked, people didn't want to part
  with
   them.
  
   Thanks anyway.
  
   Ed
   300E
  
   On 11/07/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, Laptop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   I have a very clean 90 420SEL for sale
  
   E M wrote:
   Hi Everyone,
  
   Going to look at a 420 SEL later this week.  I know the V8s have a
  test
   port.  Is it the same as the 300E, red on #3 and black on ground if
  you
   want
   to have a look at the 02 sensor to see what's up with a dwell
   meter?  Also,
   where does rust like to hide in these beasts?  I'm told the car is
  extra
   clean with only about 100,000 miles, so we will see.  Few records
  tough,
   so
   I'll look extra close and a PPI on this one before buying.  He says it
   needs
   rear brakes as the light comes on.  Is the light just an indicator
  there
   is
   a fluid inbalance, or faulty master cylinder?
  
   Thanks everyone.
  
   Ed
   300E
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Re: [MBZ] 420 SEL test port question?

2007-07-11 Thread E M

It means too far a drive to the US to buy a car. :-)

Ed
300E

On 11/07/07, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Does Central Canda mean Winnipeg, Flin Flon or Hudson's Bay?

 On 7/11/07, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  central Canada.
 
  On 11/07/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, Laptop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   so where are you located?
  
   E M wrote:
Looked at your pics and like it, but too far away.  This one is
   local.  I
wanted a 560, but the few I saw and liked, people didn't want to
 part
   with
them.
   
Thanks anyway.
   
Ed
300E
   
On 11/07/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, Laptop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a very clean 90 420SEL for sale
   
E M wrote:
Hi Everyone,
   
Going to look at a 420 SEL later this week.  I know the V8s have a
   test
port.  Is it the same as the 300E, red on #3 and black on ground
 if
   you
want
to have a look at the 02 sensor to see what's up with a dwell
meter?  Also,
where does rust like to hide in these beasts?  I'm told the car is
   extra
clean with only about 100,000 miles, so we will see.  Few records
   tough,
so
I'll look extra close and a PPI on this one before buying.  He
 says it
needs
rear brakes as the light comes on.  Is the light just an indicator
   there
is
a fluid inbalance, or faulty master cylinder?
   
Thanks everyone.
   
Ed
300E
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