Re: [MBZ] 617 head question

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

NA 617 seems to be the same if it came from a 115 300D and the 123 (78-81)  
Valve cover vacuum goodies and such might be otherwise


clay 

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> On Feb 11, 2018, at 4:46 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
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> Does anybody know if a head from a non turbo 123 617 will work on a 115 
> version 617?  Or even a turbo head?
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Re: [MBZ] 617 head question

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I looked up parts on importec, the head gasket set for the 76 is the 
same as one for a 81 for example. I would say it would work.



On 2/11/2018 7:59 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

On February 11, 2018 at 8:35 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
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Why wouldn’t it?  They’re the same engine essentially, aren’t they?  At least 
the non-turbo versions.

And if there are different prechamber setups like on various years of OM603, 
just change head, prechambers, glow plugs and injection lines together.

Turbo injectors are different, with a higher pop pressure, but a NA engine 
would probably run fine with a set of five turbo injectors.
I don't think it would hurt any if you used a turbo cam and sodium cooled 
exhaust valves.
Using a 1979 or newer head with the hardened cam and followers wouldn't hurt.

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Re: [MBZ] 617 head question

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On February 11, 2018 at 8:35 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Why wouldn’t it?  They’re the same engine essentially, aren’t they?  At least 
> the non-turbo versions.

And if there are different prechamber setups like on various years of OM603, 
just change head, prechambers, glow plugs and injection lines together. 

Turbo injectors are different, with a higher pop pressure, but a NA engine 
would probably run fine with a set of five turbo injectors. 
I don't think it would hurt any if you used a turbo cam and sodium cooled 
exhaust valves. 
Using a 1979 or newer head with the hardened cam and followers wouldn't hurt.

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Re: [MBZ] 617 head question

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I looked up the head for the 115 then looked up the head for a 123 and one of 
the head numbers was the same. I’m thinking it should work.

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> On Feb 11, 2018, at 7:45 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Um.
> 
> Compare head gaskets and/or part numbers?
> 
> Fred
> 
> 
> Fred Moir.
> Lynn MA.
> Diesel preferred.
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 617 head question
> 
> Why wouldn’t it?  They’re the same engine essentially, aren’t they?  At least 
> the non-turbo versions.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Feb 11, 2018, at 7:46 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Does anybody know if a head from a non turbo 123 617 will work on a 115 
>> version 617?  Or even a turbo head?
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Re: [MBZ] 617 head question

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

These guys have a good “where used” listing when you enter a part number:

https://www.german-spob.de/start.php?seite=start=de=a231f697a3e6f9d62983ce5ca9da39fc
 
<https://www.german-spob.de/start.php?seite=start=de=a231f697a3e6f9d62983ce5ca9da39fc>

Good place to find older NLA used parts, too.

-D


> On Feb 11, 2018, at 8:45 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Um.
> 
> Compare head gaskets and/or part numbers?
> 
> Fred
> 
> 
> Fred Moir.
> Lynn MA.
> Diesel preferred.
> 
> 
> 
> From: Mercedes <mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com> on behalf of Dan Penoff via 
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 617 head question
> 
> Why wouldn’t it?  They’re the same engine essentially, aren’t they?  At least 
> the non-turbo versions.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Feb 11, 2018, at 7:46 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Does anybody know if a head from a non turbo 123 617 will work on a 115 
>> version 617?  Or even a turbo head?
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Re: [MBZ] 617 head question

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Um.

Compare head gaskets and/or part numbers?

Fred


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 617 head question

Why wouldn’t it?  They’re the same engine essentially, aren’t they?  At least 
the non-turbo versions.

-D

> On Feb 11, 2018, at 7:46 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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> Does anybody know if a head from a non turbo 123 617 will work on a 115 
> version 617?  Or even a turbo head?
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Re: [MBZ] 617 head question

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Why wouldn’t it?  They’re the same engine essentially, aren’t they?  At least 
the non-turbo versions.

-D


> On Feb 11, 2018, at 7:46 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
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> Does anybody know if a head from a non turbo 123 617 will work on a 115 
> version 617?  Or even a turbo head?
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