Re: [MBZ] 722.6 ATF Temperature chart

2019-08-13 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Mon, 12 Aug 2019 20:30:32 -0700 Clay Monroe via Mercedes wrote: > Not nonsense. Jim had it. The fluid expands with rising heat in a > vessel of a given volume. Knowing the temperature of the fluid allows > a person to gauge how full up the millimeter stick said fluid has > risen. The wire

Re: [MBZ] 722.6 ATF Temperature chart

2019-08-13 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
I should write a story called Robots of Benz where I stay on my vast estate and interact only with my Benzes.  I sorta do that now some days. --FT On 8/13/19 7:36 PM, Clay Monroe via Mercedes wrote: Robots of Dawn has them venture to Aurora where the people live on vast estates with no human

Re: [MBZ] 722.6 ATF Temperature chart

2019-08-13 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
I guess my question was more related to how much the fluid expands when it heats up.  If a lot, then yeah I see how temp and level relate.  But if it doesn't expand much, then temp doesn't change the overall level.  But as Curley points out, lower fluid level will cause higher temps of the

Re: [MBZ] 722.6 ATF Temperature chart

2019-08-13 Thread Clay Monroe via Mercedes
Caves of Steel is the introduction of R. Danilov to Det. Bailey. That would be the underground cities of earth. Robots of Dawn has them venture to Aurora where the people live on vast estates with no human interaction. clay monroe > I turned my computer upside down and shook it, but the

Re: [MBZ] 722.6 ATF Temperature chart

2019-08-13 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Only recently have my classes really started to include a majority of folks younger than me.Most recently the very best students are very young, early 20's. The worst was when I first started and got mostly boomers in their early 60's. They already knew it all and didn't want "some kid" (I was

Re: [MBZ] 722.6 ATF Temperature chart

2019-08-13 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
Caves of Steel? On Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 18:43 Clay Monroe via Mercedes wrote: > They may be known as the non-reproductive generation. Too engaged with > screens to actually connect in the flesh. Reminds me of an Asimov book. I > think it was “Robots of Dawn”. The humans each lived in their

Re: [MBZ] 722.6 ATF Temperature chart

2019-08-13 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
In reality it doesn’t “bottom out” on the transmission oil pan. There is a restriction at the end of the dip tube that prevents the dipstick from going any farther down the tube due to a “bulge” in the black plastic part of the dipstick. That way you can’t insert it farther than it should go

Re: [MBZ] 722.6 ATF Temperature chart

2019-08-13 Thread Clay Monroe via Mercedes
The boy did get the Dorman generic wire dipstick. It is supposed to be inserted until it hits bottom. There is a ruler of sorts at the end of the stick with demarcations in mm to clue you in as to how deep the ATF is. The jeep was serviced in SEA 30 months ago and has put almost 9k miles on

Re: [MBZ] 722.6 ATF Temperature chart

2019-08-13 Thread Clay Monroe via Mercedes
I recall the butt smacking meted out by the principle with a paddle was a good attention adjustment clay > On Aug 13, 2019, at 1:52 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes > wrote: > > What about baby boomers? We didn't have dunce stools. > > Dwight Giles Jr. > Wickford RI

Re: [MBZ] 722.6 ATF Temperature chart

2019-08-13 Thread Clay Monroe via Mercedes
They may be known as the non-reproductive generation. Too engaged with screens to actually connect in the flesh. Reminds me of an Asimov book. I think it was “Robots of Dawn”. The humans each lived in their own homes surrounded by robots, talked to each other electronically, but never met.

Re: [MBZ] 722.6 ATF Temperature chart

2019-08-13 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
Yes but is derived from parish. Dwight Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 5:41 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Interesting - a search for a definition of "parochial" suggests "small > minded". > > > On 13/08/2019 4:36 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Re: [MBZ] 722.6 ATF Temperature chart

2019-08-13 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
The progressive generation G Mann via Mercedes wrote on 8/13/19 2:03 PM: If paying attention was an explosive, a vast segment of present society would not have enough to blow their nose. In days gone past, schools had something called the "Dunce Stool" which sat in the corner at front of class

Re: [MBZ] 722.6 ATF Temperature chart

2019-08-13 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
At normal operating temp, which don't vary much with ambient, as the flluid level goes down, the temp will go up.  (Same amount of friction heat BTUs being transferred to less fluid. On my 200D, I put an oil temp sensor in the oil pan, and SW Gauges for oil temp and pressure.   I could tell

Re: [MBZ] 722.6 ATF Temperature chart

2019-08-13 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Yes, because without the modifier “school” it means something totally different. "A parochial school is a private primary or secondary school affiliated with a religious organization, and whose curriculum includes general religious education in addition to secular subjects, such as science,

Re: [MBZ] 722.6 ATF Temperature chart

2019-08-13 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
Interesting - a search for a definition of "parochial" suggests "small minded". On 13/08/2019 4:36 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: This was in a parochial school. Nope. -D On Aug 13, 2019, at 5:34 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: On 13/08/2019 4:03 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes

Re: [MBZ] 722.6 ATF Temperature chart

2019-08-13 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
This was in a parochial school. Nope. -D > On Aug 13, 2019, at 5:34 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes > wrote: > > On 13/08/2019 4:03 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: >> Yup. Never saw one myself. >> >> I did have a nun lock me and a buddy in a custodial closet once because we >> were

Re: [MBZ] 722.6 ATF Temperature chart

2019-08-13 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
On 13/08/2019 4:03 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Yup. Never saw one myself. I did have a nun lock me and a buddy in a custodial closet once because we were acting up. It was great fun, really. -D Was your buddy female? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com

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2019-08-13 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
Serfs --FT On 8/13/19 3:03 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: I wonder what history will come to call the present crop of sub humans? -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change

Re: [MBZ] 722.6 ATF Temperature chart

2019-08-13 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Yup. Never saw one myself. I did have a nun lock me and a buddy in a custodial closet once because we were acting up. It was great fun, really. -D > On Aug 13, 2019, at 4:52 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes > wrote: > > What about baby boomers? We didn't have dunce stools. > > Dwight Giles

Re: [MBZ] 722.6 ATF Temperature chart

2019-08-13 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
What about baby boomers? We didn't have dunce stools. Dwight Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 3:04 PM G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > If paying attention was an explosive, a vast segment of present society > would not have enough to blow their nose. > > In days gone past, schools had

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2019-08-13 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Well played ! However, I am just old school enough to truly favor public humiliation as a teaching tool. The extremely short attention span of the present generation is most remarkable. It seems primary education consists of the principle of "If you throw enough mud against a wall, some of it will

Re: [MBZ] 722.6 ATF Temperature chart

2019-08-13 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
“You never said/covered that.” “Yes I did, on this date/time.” (holds up lesson plan/notes) (Portion of classmates concur) Virtual dunce cap applied through social interaction. -D > On Aug 13, 2019, at 2:03 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes > wrote: > > Ah yes one of the joys of teaching. >

Re: [MBZ] 722.6 ATF Temperature chart

2019-08-13 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
If paying attention was an explosive, a vast segment of present society would not have enough to blow their nose. In days gone past, schools had something called the "Dunce Stool" which sat in the corner at front of class room. It's purpose was to impress the rest of the class on the importance

Re: [MBZ] 722.6 ATF Temperature chart

2019-08-13 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
Ah yes one of the joys of teaching. Dwight Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 1:53 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > This week has been a real reminder for me that people don't pay > attention. We're building VMs to install Windows Server on, I put the

Re: [MBZ] 722.6 ATF Temperature chart

2019-08-13 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
This week has been a real reminder for me that people don't pay attention. We're building VMs to install Windows Server on, I put the specs they should all be built to on the screen, no two student systems are the same.I say things like "The S: drive should be named "database"" and most of

Re: [MBZ] 722.6 ATF Temperature chart

2019-08-13 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> On August 13, 2019 at 11:09 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes > wrote: > My 2013 F150 does not have a transmission dipstick as we know it either. > I am advised that there is a plug on the transmission that can be > removed and a form of short dipstick inside to check the level but I > have

Re: [MBZ] 722.6 ATF Temperature chart

2019-08-13 Thread MG via Mercedes
well that makes sense in that particular case and would work for the other cars as long as the stick is calibrated for the specific transmission which is what I was trying to say but no was watching my hands. :-) Manfred Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: What difference does that make if you

Re: [MBZ] 722.6 ATF Temperature chart

2019-08-13 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
I got one off the River of Large Wymyn for the 722.6 in the 99 ML320, it's a twisted wire cable sort of thing with a little plastic thingie at the bottom that shows fluid level and the lock tab at the top.  They seem to be properly sized for these transmissions.  The $500E300 has one in it

Re: [MBZ] 722.6 ATF Temperature chart

2019-08-13 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
On 12/08/2019 10:36 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: I'm surprised it didn't come with a dipstick, I think that must be the MB influence. My 2010 Ram has a trans dipstick. I'll try to remember to check my parent's Jeeps the next time I see them. Trans fluid level is always checked hot but

Re: [MBZ] 722.6 ATF Temperature chart

2019-08-13 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> What difference does that make if you have no reference point as to how far > the temperature stick is in the container? The non-fitting stick for the 210 is pan-bottom-referenced, and there are two scales on it. One for room temperature, and one for operating temperature. They're quite

Re: [MBZ] 722.6 ATF Temperature chart

2019-08-13 Thread MG via Mercedes
What difference does that make if you have no reference point as to how far the temperature stick is in the container? At that point you might as well stick a coat hanger down there and say 'well there is fluid on the end so I must have the right amount in there.' That said I can see how

Re: [MBZ] 722.6 ATF Temperature chart

2019-08-12 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
My w211 does not have a,trans dipstick & trans tube has,sealed cover. This,car 2005 E320 4 matic also did NOT have oil dipstick. I found company in Poland that makes,aftermarket dipsticks for European cars. So far dipstick aligns,with computer readouts on oil i am too old school to trust

Re: [MBZ] 722.6 ATF Temperature chart

2019-08-12 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I'm surprised it didn't come with a dipstick, I think that must be the MB influence. My 2010 Ram has a trans dipstick. I'll try to remember to check my parent's Jeeps the next time I see them. Trans fluid level is always checked hot but I've never heard how hot that should be beyond "operating

Re: [MBZ] 722.6 ATF Temperature chart

2019-08-12 Thread Clay Monroe via Mercedes
Not nonsense. Jim had it. The fluid expands with rising heat in a vessel of a given volume. Knowing the temperature of the fluid allows a person to gauge how full up the millimeter stick said fluid has risen. The wire is marked in millimeters, so one needs know the x (temp) and y(volume) to

Re: [MBZ] 722.6 ATF Temperature chart

2019-08-12 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Mon, 12 Aug 2019 19:37:03 -0700 Jim Cathey wrote: > > How can ATF temperature relate to fluid level? > > Various fluids have various thermal expansion coefficients. (As do > solids.) Consider the mercury or alcohol used in a traditional glass > thermometer. ATF is fairly 'bloaty' with

Re: [MBZ] 722.6 ATF Temperature chart

2019-08-12 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> How can ATF temperature relate to fluid level? Various fluids have various thermal expansion coefficients. (As do solids.) Consider the mercury or alcohol used in a traditional glass thermometer. ATF is fairly 'bloaty' with temperature, I believe. > The fluid temperature will at least depend

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2019-08-12 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
What does fluid temp have to do with level? You can get a dipstick, it’s actually a braided wire kind of thing. I got one for the 99 ML. What are those codes? --FT Sent from iPhone > On Aug 12, 2019, at 9:56 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: > > The Jeep Grand Jalopy owned by #1 boy seems to be

Re: [MBZ] 722.6 ATF Temperature chart

2019-08-12 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Mon, 12 Aug 2019 18:56:20 -0700 clay via Mercedes wrote: > The Jeep Grand Jalopy owned by #1 boy seems to be in limp mode. This > would be a 2006 that did have some transmission service (cooler lines) > done around 7k miles ago. He put the OBD II reader on the car and got > a P0700 and