Re: [MBZ] 87 300TD Wagon
Location of this car? Mobile website surfing stinks. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 300TD Wagon
I believe it was in Daytona Beach, FL. Dan On Jul 24, 2015, at 12:42 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Location of this car? Mobile website surfing stinks. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 300TD Wagon
Thanks Dan, pix look like FL. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On July 24, 2015 12:48:17 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I believe it was in Daytona Beach, FL. Dan On Jul 24, 2015, at 12:42 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Location of this car? Mobile website surfing stinks. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 300TD Wagon
I think you guys are confirmed bottom-feeders, struggling to justify why the old adage about a cheap Mercedes is wrong. Assuming the seller is not lying, a low mile and rust free diesel wagon that is not rough should easily be worth twice what they go for all the time. Local market will drive the price. If I were shopping for another wagon, I'd be all over that. -- Max Dillon (who paid too much for his wagon) Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 300TD Wagon
On July 24, 2015 at 10:16 AM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: His is about a $3500 car Spending a ton of money bringing a car up to snuff does not raise its market value a corresponding amount, but it does make the car a much better deal at $3500 than a $2500 car that still needs all that stuff done to it. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 300TD Wagon
A common line of thinking on Craigslist. “I just put an exorbitant amount of money into this car so now it’s worth that and more.” Never seems to work out, either. Dan On Jul 24, 2015, at 3:20 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Spending a ton of money bringing a car up to snuff does not raise its market value a corresponding amount, but it does make the car a much better deal at $3500 than a $2500 car that still needs all that stuff done to it. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 300TD Wagon
Exactly. Otherwise it would be a 2-2.5k car like you say. Maybe even less. 124 diesels are almost free these days around here. There was a decent 87 300d on cl a couple months ago that would not start after a filter change. Somebody bought it as I saw it in the last couple of weeks, runs and drives now. Price was $1900. Several weeks later it is now $900 and the ad is still up so I assume he has not sold it. I have a rough 87TD with a #17 head I but on cl for $1500 to see if there would be any action and I have got no bites. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2015, at 2:20 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On July 24, 2015 at 10:16 AM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: His is about a $3500 car Spending a ton of money bringing a car up to snuff does not raise its market value a corresponding amount, but it does make the car a much better deal at $3500 than a $2500 car that still needs all that stuff done to it. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices
They are WAY overpriced. Better off just buying a 300TE instead and saving alot of cash. carbucks wrote: Hi, While I've been happy with my 85 and 83 300SDs, they don't suit our lifestyle with the dog. Been researching the 87 300td. Looking for some list wisdom on fair market value for one in good to excellent condition. Here's what I've discovered so far. NADA ranges from $3950 to $8600 Original MSRP: $42,500 Low Retail http://www.nadaguides.com/usedcars.aspx?LI=1-21-1-5013-0-0-0l=1w=21p=1f=5014y=1987m=1115d=6215c=20vi=10197z=98001da=1# Average Retail Value http://www.nadaguides.com/usedcars.aspx?LI=1-21-1-5013-0-0-0l=1w=21p=1f=5014y=1987m=1115d=6215c=20vi=10197z=98001da=1# High Retail http://www.nadaguides.com/usedcars.aspx?LI=1-21-1-5013-0-0-0l=1w=21p=1f=5014y=1987m=1115d=6215c=20vi=10197z=98001da=1# Base Price$3,950 $5,150 $8,600 TOTAL PRICE $3,950 $5,150 http://www.nadaguides.com/LinkTracker.aspx?itemid=50361LI=1-21-1-5014-708-745-50361l=1w=21p=20f=5605xq=price-5150* $8,600 Ebay Buy Now prices are currently in the $10 000 range. Autotrader and cars.com listed prices range from $7000 to $13500 Martin ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices
carbucks wrote: Sounds like you got a lemon. Sold both my 2000 Jetta TDI and 2004 Golf TDI after a couple of years of ownership and no maintenance hassle for just slightly below what I paid for them new (exempting taxes). That's exactly my problem with them. Asking prices for 3-4 year old cars with 80-100k on them look like what I might be willing to pay for a new car. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices
carbucks wrote: While I've been happy with my 85 and 83 300SDs, they don't suit our lifestyle with the dog. Been researching the 87 300td. Looking for some list wisdom on fair market value for one in good to excellent condition. Here's what I've discovered so far. There were less than 2000 of those cars imported, and the wagon style is very sought after... so prices are all over the place. One in *nice* condition in Washington state will fetch 10k. Most ones in good condition seem to go for 5-7k (outside of WA). Most people on this list are known for being on the 'thrifty' side, and they probably wouldn't buy one at those crazy eBay prices. FWIW, I bought one in fair condition on the AL coast for $3200. I've since bought $2k worth of parts I'm slowly putting in. http://starquake.ath.cx/mercedes/300TD/images/ John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices
carbucks wrote: So paying $10k for a twenty plus year old car that only gets about half the fuel mileage of a five year old Jetta does not add up. Factor in rising fuel costs as well as the higher costs to maintain the Benz and the arithmetic is even less in favor of the Benz. Do you do your own work or do you have a mechanic do most of it? Old Mercedes are a very good value if you do all or a lot of the work yourself, but they get expensive real quick if you have a mechanic take care of everything. There are a LOT of little things that can go wrong on these cars, and if you want everything to work perfectly you are absolutely correct that the older MB will cost more to maintain. That being the case, there is still something to be said about the quality and drivability of an MB over a VW! If you would like to find out more about the VWs check out TDI Club. There is a very large following of those TDIs, and there is quite a bit of good information there as well. www.tdiclub.com HTH! John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices
You might want to figure in to your equation that you can get early 90's E320 gas wagons in pristine condition for ~$2k. They will have all wheel drive too. They take premium. -Dave Walton On Feb 13, 2008 2:16 PM, carbucks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, John. Nice looking TD. Fuel is the other cost I'm factoring in. According to http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/3565.shtml the 300td will get up to 25 mpg and for 15000 annual miles @ $3/gal cost you $2239 per year. For a few thousand more, I can pick up a Jetta Wagon TDI ($mid-teens) which according to http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/2008car1tablef.jsp?id=19905 gets up to 42 mpg and costs $1407 per year. So paying $10k for a twenty plus year old car that only gets about half the fuel mileage of a five year old Jetta does not add up. Factor in rising fuel costs as well as the higher costs to maintain the Benz and the arithmetic is even less in favor of the Benz. Unless, of course, I can find one like yours. :-) Martin John Robbins wrote: carbucks wrote: While I've been happy with my 85 and 83 300SDs, they don't suit our lifestyle with the dog. Been researching the 87 300td. Looking for some list wisdom on fair market value for one in good to excellent condition. Here's what I've discovered so far. There were less than 2000 of those cars imported, and the wagon style is very sought after... so prices are all over the place. One in *nice* condition in Washington state will fetch 10k. Most ones in good condition seem to go for 5-7k (outside of WA). Most people on this list are known for being on the 'thrifty' side, and they probably wouldn't buy one at those crazy eBay prices. FWIW, I bought one in fair condition on the AL coast for $3200. I've since bought $2k worth of parts I'm slowly putting in. http://starquake.ath.cx/mercedes/300TD/images/ John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices
Thanks, John. Nice looking TD. Fuel is the other cost I'm factoring in. According to http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/3565.shtml the 300td will get up to 25 mpg and for 15000 annual miles @ $3/gal cost you $2239 per year. For a few thousand more, I can pick up a Jetta Wagon TDI ($mid-teens) which according to http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/2008car1tablef.jsp?id=19905 gets up to 42 mpg and costs $1407 per year. So paying $10k for a twenty plus year old car that only gets about half the fuel mileage of a five year old Jetta does not add up. Factor in rising fuel costs as well as the higher costs to maintain the Benz and the arithmetic is even less in favor of the Benz. Unless, of course, I can find one like yours. :-) Martin John Robbins wrote: carbucks wrote: While I've been happy with my 85 and 83 300SDs, they don't suit our lifestyle with the dog. Been researching the 87 300td. Looking for some list wisdom on fair market value for one in good to excellent condition. Here's what I've discovered so far. There were less than 2000 of those cars imported, and the wagon style is very sought after... so prices are all over the place. One in *nice* condition in Washington state will fetch 10k. Most ones in good condition seem to go for 5-7k (outside of WA). Most people on this list are known for being on the 'thrifty' side, and they probably wouldn't buy one at those crazy eBay prices. FWIW, I bought one in fair condition on the AL coast for $3200. I've since bought $2k worth of parts I'm slowly putting in. http://starquake.ath.cx/mercedes/300TD/images/ John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices
There is also a Passat wagon which would be a bit bigger than the Jetta. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of dave walton Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 1:45 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices I changed a transmission on a 2001 Jetta TDI. It was the job from hell. I much prefer working on Mercedes. You need a computer just to check the transmission fluid level. The VW's are very light and tinny in my opinion. Although with 6 air bags they might have a safety advantage depending on the circumstances. -Dave Walton On Feb 13, 2008 2:40 PM, carbucks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do my own. Have two 300SDs. What I'm finding is they are taking up more and more of my time. I've had both VWs and Mercedes as well as BMWs. They share a number of qualities. The VWs are less expensive to maintain and very few get close to their mpg. Martin John Robbins wrote: Do you do your own work or do you have a mechanic do most of it? Old Mercedes are a very good value if you do all or a lot of the work yourself, but they get expensive real quick if you have a mechanic take care of everything. There are a LOT of little things that can go wrong on these cars, and if you want everything to work perfectly you are absolutely correct that the older MB will cost more to maintain. That being the case, there is still something to be said about the quality and drivability of an MB over a VW! If you would like to find out more about the VWs check out TDI Club. There is a very large following of those TDIs, and there is quite a bit of good information there as well. www.tdiclub.com HTH! John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices
I changed a transmission on a 2001 Jetta TDI. It was the job from hell. I much prefer working on Mercedes. You need a computer just to check the transmission fluid level. The VW's are very light and tinny in my opinion. Although with 6 air bags they might have a safety advantage depending on the circumstances. -Dave Walton On Feb 13, 2008 2:40 PM, carbucks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do my own. Have two 300SDs. What I'm finding is they are taking up more and more of my time. I've had both VWs and Mercedes as well as BMWs. They share a number of qualities. The VWs are less expensive to maintain and very few get close to their mpg. Martin John Robbins wrote: Do you do your own work or do you have a mechanic do most of it? Old Mercedes are a very good value if you do all or a lot of the work yourself, but they get expensive real quick if you have a mechanic take care of everything. There are a LOT of little things that can go wrong on these cars, and if you want everything to work perfectly you are absolutely correct that the older MB will cost more to maintain. That being the case, there is still something to be said about the quality and drivability of an MB over a VW! If you would like to find out more about the VWs check out TDI Club. There is a very large following of those TDIs, and there is quite a bit of good information there as well. www.tdiclub.com HTH! John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices
On Feb 13, 2008 11:33 AM, carbucks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good point. They get similar fuel mileage to the older diesels and have better performance. The 300SDs are fine on the highway, but have trouble keeping up with some city traffic. Martin, have you driven an early-'90s diesel Jetta wagon? Based on my experience with a 2001 New Beetle TDI I'd say the opposite would be true of them, for what it's worth---they are great city cars with plenty of zip right off the line (mostly due to the variable-displacement turbo, I think), but run out of steam fast on the highway. Also, as John R. pointed out, the driveability and feel are quite different. I would much rather take my W124 on a long trip than any VW---the seats are better and road noise is less despite 20-year-old door seals! Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices
Good point. They get similar fuel mileage to the older diesels and have better performance. The 300SDs are fine on the highway, but have trouble keeping up with some city traffic. Martin dave walton wrote: You might want to figure in to your equation that you can get early 90's E320 gas wagons in pristine condition for ~$2k. They will have all wheel drive too. They take premium. -Dave Walton On Feb 13, 2008 2:16 PM, carbucks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, John. Nice looking TD. Fuel is the other cost I'm factoring in. According to http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/3565.shtml the 300td will get up to 25 mpg and for 15000 annual miles @ $3/gal cost you $2239 per year. For a few thousand more, I can pick up a Jetta Wagon TDI ($mid-teens) which according to http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/2008car1tablef.jsp?id=19905 gets up to 42 mpg and costs $1407 per year. So paying $10k for a twenty plus year old car that only gets about half the fuel mileage of a five year old Jetta does not add up. Factor in rising fuel costs as well as the higher costs to maintain the Benz and the arithmetic is even less in favor of the Benz. Unless, of course, I can find one like yours. :-) Martin John Robbins wrote: carbucks wrote: While I've been happy with my 85 and 83 300SDs, they don't suit our lifestyle with the dog. Been researching the 87 300td. Looking for some list wisdom on fair market value for one in good to excellent condition. Here's what I've discovered so far. There were less than 2000 of those cars imported, and the wagon style is very sought after... so prices are all over the place. One in *nice* condition in Washington state will fetch 10k. Most ones in good condition seem to go for 5-7k (outside of WA). Most people on this list are known for being on the 'thrifty' side, and they probably wouldn't buy one at those crazy eBay prices. FWIW, I bought one in fair condition on the AL coast for $3200. I've since bought $2k worth of parts I'm slowly putting in. http://starquake.ath.cx/mercedes/300TD/images/ John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices
I do my own. Have two 300SDs. What I'm finding is they are taking up more and more of my time. I've had both VWs and Mercedes as well as BMWs. They share a number of qualities. The VWs are less expensive to maintain and very few get close to their mpg. Martin John Robbins wrote: Do you do your own work or do you have a mechanic do most of it? Old Mercedes are a very good value if you do all or a lot of the work yourself, but they get expensive real quick if you have a mechanic take care of everything. There are a LOT of little things that can go wrong on these cars, and if you want everything to work perfectly you are absolutely correct that the older MB will cost more to maintain. That being the case, there is still something to be said about the quality and drivability of an MB over a VW! If you would like to find out more about the VWs check out TDI Club. There is a very large following of those TDIs, and there is quite a bit of good information there as well. www.tdiclub.com HTH! John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices
On Feb 13, 2008 11:45 AM, dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I changed a transmission on a 2001 Jetta TDI. It was the job from hell. Wouldn't that be true of any kind of drivetrain work on a front-wheel-drive car, though? Everything's all jammed up together under the hood, after all, not nicely spread out front-to-back as it should be. What was especially bad about the VW? (I ask never having done or even contemplated any serious repair job on a FWD car, other than my old Saab 900's which are quite a different beast than the typical transverse-four-with-transaxle arrangement.) Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices
Lack of space. I finally found a use for those stubby drivers that have been sitting in my toolbox unused. The 4Matic MB has much more space, but it is just bigger all around. -Dave Walton On Feb 13, 2008 3:01 PM, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 13, 2008 11:45 AM, dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I changed a transmission on a 2001 Jetta TDI. It was the job from hell. Wouldn't that be true of any kind of drivetrain work on a front-wheel-drive car, though? Everything's all jammed up together under the hood, after all, not nicely spread out front-to-back as it should be. What was especially bad about the VW? (I ask never having done or even contemplated any serious repair job on a FWD car, other than my old Saab 900's which are quite a different beast than the typical transverse-four-with-transaxle arrangement.) Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices
Price a set of rear SLS legs, or #22 head, or evaporator RR for the S124. My '96 Passat tdi was a rock-solid reliable, economical and fun to drive car. Much cheaper to keep than my Mercedes--damn, my Vanagon is even a helluva lot cheaper to run than the TD. I think I keep the Merc for purely sentimental reasons, at this point. On Feb 13, 2008 12:33 PM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: carbucks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So paying $10k for a twenty plus year old car that only gets about half the fuel mileage of a five year old Jetta does not add up. Factor in rising fuel costs as well as the higher costs to maintain the Benz and the arithmetic is even less in favor of the Benz. The Jetta will not hold up like the Benz though Price a new Jetta injection pump. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices
carbucks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So paying $10k for a twenty plus year old car that only gets about half the fuel mileage of a five year old Jetta does not add up. Factor in rising fuel costs as well as the higher costs to maintain the Benz and the arithmetic is even less in favor of the Benz. The Jetta will not hold up like the Benz though Price a new Jetta injection pump. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Price a set of rear SLS legs, or #22 head, or evaporator RR for the S124. My '96 Passat tdi was a rock-solid reliable, economical and fun to drive car. Much cheaper to keep than my Mercedes--damn, my Vanagon is even a helluva lot cheaper to run than the TD. I think I keep the Merc for purely sentimental reasons, at this point. Maybe the later models are more expensive... My W123 is hands-down the cheapest car I've ever owned, in cost-of-ownership terms. I do most of my own work and buy the parts from Rusty though. I recently bought a Vanagon too, and I like it, but its engineering is cheap and amateurish compared to the W123 -- or even compared to my former W110. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 04:08:45PM -0500, Allan Streib wrote: Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Price a set of rear SLS legs, or #22 head, or evaporator RR for the S124. My '96 Passat tdi was a rock-solid reliable, economical and fun to drive car. Much cheaper to keep than my Mercedes--damn, my Vanagon is even a helluva lot cheaper to run than the TD. I think I keep the Merc for purely sentimental reasons, at this point. Maybe the later models are more expensive... My W123 is hands-down the cheapest car I've ever owned, in cost-of-ownership terms. I do most of my own work and buy the parts from Rusty though. I recently bought a Vanagon too, and I like it, but its engineering is cheap and amateurish compared to the W123 -- or even compared to my former W110. Having W123, W124, W201, and an A2 jetta, the jetta blows them all away in terms of how cheap it is to keep on the road. The W123 was a neglected car, so it's probably not a fair comparison. The W124 and S124 were far FAR more expensive than them all. No doubt, the mercedes is a better put together car, but you pay the price for it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices
Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Having W123, W124, W201, and an A2 jetta, the jetta blows them all away in terms of how cheap it is to keep on the road. The W123 was a neglected car, so it's probably not a fair comparison. The W124 and S124 were far FAR more expensive than them all. I had an A2 Jetta as well, and agree it was pretty cheap as far as repairs and maintenance go, but I bought it new at about 4 times what I paid for my 300D, and I financed it. So that killed the cost of ownership numbers for me. I'm pretty sure a 20 year old Jetta would have cost me more than my W123 to own, they just are not built to last that long. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices
Hi Alex, I've had both a 2000 Jetta TDI and a 2004 Golf TDI . Much preferred the Golf. Bought it new in the east (cheaper there) and drove it across the country. In 2004 they got a bump in horsepower. That engine has about the same amount of torque as the VR6. My wife drove it 200 km a day five days a week and found it to be far more comfortable than either of my 300SDs. Plus with the five speed, you could out accelerate most vehicles away from the stop light. She still misses it. Martin Two 300SDs Missing the TDIs more and more as I write about this Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Feb 13, 2008 11:33 AM, carbucks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good point. They get similar fuel mileage to the older diesels and have better performance. The 300SDs are fine on the highway, but have trouble keeping up with some city traffic. Martin, have you driven an early-'90s diesel Jetta wagon? Based on my experience with a 2001 New Beetle TDI I'd say the opposite would be true of them, for what it's worth---they are great city cars with plenty of zip right off the line (mostly due to the variable-displacement turbo, I think), but run out of steam fast on the highway. Also, as John R. pointed out, the driveability and feel are quite different. I would much rather take my W124 on a long trip than any VW---the seats are better and road noise is less despite 20-year-old door seals! Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices
Another possibility, depending on where you live, is to get one with some rust. The rust drops the value of the car GREATLY, and if you're in an area where a rusty car won't really get worse, it's fine for a driver. My 85 190D was such a car, and was really a bargain for what it was. What got expensive on that car was rebuilding the suspension on it when it got close to 200k miles, followed by a busted ball joint in the front. Granted, I did most of the work myself, but there were a LOT of parts I had to replace on it while doing the job. It was a five speed, so it was worth the time and money, or so I told myself. I do still have the two 87s, one D that got sideswiped and one rusty TD that needs a head/head gasket, that I've been toying with letting go, but unless you're somewhat near Sacramento, CA, the logistics might be a little screwy. And no, I'm not letting them go for $500 for the pair (or even $500 each), so all you bottomfeeders out there, don't try. ;) On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 11:16:42AM -0800, carbucks wrote: So paying $10k for a twenty plus year old car that only gets about half the fuel mileage of a five year old Jetta does not add up. Factor in rising fuel costs as well as the higher costs to maintain the Benz and the arithmetic is even less in favor of the Benz. Unless, of course, I can find one like yours. :-) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices
That's why I'm looking at a Jetta wagon TDI that's a few years old. The largest part of the depreciation is gone and it will be good for another ten years or so. By that time I'll have saved enough on fuel (over the Benz) to buy another one. I have an '82 Jetta that I bought brand new. At 300k+ the body and original engine are still good, though I had to replace the head at 80K because I burned the valves following the idiot upshift light (remember those?) . However, it was the electrics that consigned it to a moldering death in my yard. The electrics did get better in 83. I have an 83 Jetta Turbo diesel that still going strong. Martin Allan Streib wrote: Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Having W123, W124, W201, and an A2 jetta, the jetta blows them all away in terms of how cheap it is to keep on the road. The W123 was a neglected car, so it's probably not a fair comparison. The W124 and S124 were far FAR more expensive than them all. I had an A2 Jetta as well, and agree it was pretty cheap as far as repairs and maintenance go, but I bought it new at about 4 times what I paid for my 300D, and I financed it. So that killed the cost of ownership numbers for me. I'm pretty sure a 20 year old Jetta would have cost me more than my W123 to own, they just are not built to last that long. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices
On Feb 13, 2008 3:05 PM, carbucks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've had both a 2000 Jetta TDI and a 2004 Golf TDI . Much preferred the Golf. Bought it new in the east (cheaper there) and drove it across the country. In 2004 they got a bump in horsepower. That engine has about the same amount of torque as the VR6. My wife drove it 200 km a day five days a week and found it to be far more comfortable than either of my 300SDs. Well, I suppose comfort is a matter of taste... but I've found Mercedes seats to be more comfortable than any other car's by far, when in good shape (springs not sprung and padding not compressed). The problem is that you have to maintain them, like the rest of the car, and most people don't. VW-type seats, on the other hand (foam over a stiff metal bucket) are comfortable until the foam collapses, and then feel like a church pew---at which point they are basically not fixable unless the entire seat is rebuilt from scratch by a competent upholsterer. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices
Yes, I've been looking at those as well. Harder to find and much more expensive -- twice the price of the 87 300TDs. The extra room and horsepower may be worth it, however. Martin R A Bennell wrote: There is also a Passat wagon which would be a bit bigger than the Jetta. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of dave walton Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 1:45 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices I changed a transmission on a 2001 Jetta TDI. It was the job from hell. I much prefer working on Mercedes. You need a computer just to check the transmission fluid level. The VW's are very light and tinny in my opinion. Although with 6 air bags they might have a safety advantage depending on the circumstances. -Dave Walton On Feb 13, 2008 2:40 PM, carbucks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do my own. Have two 300SDs. What I'm finding is they are taking up more and more of my time. I've had both VWs and Mercedes as well as BMWs. They share a number of qualities. The VWs are less expensive to maintain and very few get close to their mpg. Martin John Robbins wrote: Do you do your own work or do you have a mechanic do most of it? Old Mercedes are a very good value if you do all or a lot of the work yourself, but they get expensive real quick if you have a mechanic take care of everything. There are a LOT of little things that can go wrong on these cars, and if you want everything to work perfectly you are absolutely correct that the older MB will cost more to maintain. That being the case, there is still something to be said about the quality and drivability of an MB over a VW! If you would like to find out more about the VWs check out TDI Club. There is a very large following of those TDIs, and there is quite a bit of good information there as well. www.tdiclub.com HTH! John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices
Yes, the Golf/Jetta TDI gets good fuel economy BUT you'll realise that a 20-y/o MB is a BARGAIN the first time you pay $100 for a set of front brake pads for the VW, or when you replace the $300 MAF sensor for the 3rd or 4th time, or when it needs yet ANOTHER window lifter, or when it won't start because the intake manifold is clogged with soot, or when you get the bill from the chiropractor b/c the seats are HORRIBLE, or when the rear brake pads wear out AGAIN after only 20k miles, or when the coolant level sensor seal fails and coolant is pumped into your wiring harness destroying your entire electrical system, etc etc. Idiotically, I gave up my 1979 300TD for a new 2002 Golf TDI. It took me about a week to start hating it, and almost two years to ditch it -- for a 1984 300TD. D. On Feb 13, 2008 2:16 PM, carbucks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, John. Nice looking TD. Fuel is the other cost I'm factoring in. According to http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/3565.shtml the 300td will get up to 25 mpg and for 15000 annual miles @ $3/gal cost you $2239 per year. For a few thousand more, I can pick up a Jetta Wagon TDI ($mid-teens) which according to http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/2008car1tablef.jsp?id=19905 gets up to 42 mpg and costs $1407 per year. So paying $10k for a twenty plus year old car that only gets about half the fuel mileage of a five year old Jetta does not add up. Factor in rising fuel costs as well as the higher costs to maintain the Benz and the arithmetic is even less in favor of the Benz. Unless, of course, I can find one like yours. :-) Martin -- David Bruckmann, Palo Alto, CA Current Reality: 1970 Citroen DS21 Pallas (170,000 km) Goettin 1972 Mercedes-Benz 280 SEL 4.5 (150,000 km) Blauer Engel 1976 Citroen 2CV6 (145,000 km) Piaf http://dolly.bruckmann.com/ 1979 Mercedes-Benz 300D (390,000 km) Brown Betty Shady Past: 1971 Citroen DS21 Pallas (137,000km), 1972 Citroen DS21 Pallas (502,000km) 1978 Mercedes-Benz 300D (1,200,000 km or thereabouts) Sieglinde 1979 Mercedes-Benz 300TD non-turbo (260,000 km) Diva 1981 Citroen 2CV6 Charleston (120,000km), 1988 Merkur XR4Ti (209,000km) 1981 Peugeot 505 GRD (350,000km), 1984 MB 300TD (385,000 km) Gertraud 1985 Toyota Camry The Slamry (330,000km) 1986 Renault 9 1.7L (155,000 km) 2002 VW Golf GLS TDI The Hated Golf (74,000 km) -- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices
Sounds like you got a lemon. Sold both my 2000 Jetta TDI and 2004 Golf TDI after a couple of years of ownership and no maintenance hassle for just slightly below what I paid for them new (exempting taxes). With my new 2000 Jetta, all maintenance was covered under the warranty. With the 2004 Golf, they charged (too much) for oil changes. Now that I'm not so busy with work, I'd do those myself. Fortunately, just as there are for M-Bs, third party Internet suppliers for VW really save you a bundle. I spend way more time on the 300SDs fiddling with them. The latest is the heater hose that the dealer wants $125 for. Fortunately the suppliers everyone on this list knows about has it for a small fraction of that. Going to have to remove some electronics on the '85 to get at that. The air condition compressor on the 83 is squealing. That's not going to be a lot of fun. Going to have to upgrade the AC to the newer environmental standards. Thanks to all for the interaction. Really helped clarify my next steps. Given the rising cost of fuel and the thousands of miles we put on in a month, a car that gets twice the fuel mileage and saves a thousand or more dollars a year is the way I have to go. Anyone interested in purchasing two west coast solid body 300SDs, one an 83 with a rebuilt engine and the other an 85 (w/ABS brakes)? The next question is what should I ask for them? Martin David Bruckmann wrote: Yes, the Golf/Jetta TDI gets good fuel economy BUT you'll realise that a 20-y/o MB is a BARGAIN the first time you pay $100 for a set of front brake pads for the VW, or when you replace the $300 MAF sensor for the 3rd or 4th time, or when it needs yet ANOTHER window lifter, or when it won't start because the intake manifold is clogged with soot, or when you get the bill from the chiropractor b/c the seats are HORRIBLE, or when the rear brake pads wear out AGAIN after only 20k miles, or when the coolant level sensor seal fails and coolant is pumped into your wiring harness destroying your entire electrical system, etc etc. Idiotically, I gave up my 1979 300TD for a new 2002 Golf TDI. It took me about a week to start hating it, and almost two years to ditch it -- for a 1984 300TD. D. On Feb 13, 2008 2:16 PM, carbucks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, John. Nice looking TD. Fuel is the other cost I'm factoring in. According to http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/3565.shtml the 300td will get up to 25 mpg and for 15000 annual miles @ $3/gal cost you $2239 per year. For a few thousand more, I can pick up a Jetta Wagon TDI ($mid-teens) which according to http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/2008car1tablef.jsp?id=19905 gets up to 42 mpg and costs $1407 per year. So paying $10k for a twenty plus year old car that only gets about half the fuel mileage of a five year old Jetta does not add up. Factor in rising fuel costs as well as the higher costs to maintain the Benz and the arithmetic is even less in favor of the Benz. Unless, of course, I can find one like yours. :-) Martin ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices
I've never ridden in a Jetta older than 4 years old. I've never ridden in a Jetta that was bought used. I've never ridden in a Jetta with working A/C. That A/C in my 190D worked until the charge leaked out and I decided I liked having the money more than I liked having A/C. -Curt Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 13:19:34 -0800 From: Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 04:08:45PM -0500, Allan Streib wrote: Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Price a set of rear SLS legs, or #22 head, or evaporator RR for the S124. My '96 Passat tdi was a rock-solid reliable, economical and fun to drive car. Much cheaper to keep than my Mercedes--damn, my Vanagon is even a helluva lot cheaper to run than the TD. I think I keep the Merc for purely sentimental reasons, at this point. Maybe the later models are more expensive... My W123 is hands-down the cheapest car I've ever owned, in cost-of-ownership terms. I do most of my own work and buy the parts from Rusty though. I recently bought a Vanagon too, and I like it, but its engineering is cheap and amateurish compared to the W123 -- or even compared to my former W110. Having W123, W124, W201, and an A2 jetta, the jetta blows them all away in terms of how cheap it is to keep on the road. The W123 was a neglected car, so it's probably not a fair comparison. The W124 and S124 were far FAR more expensive than them all. No doubt, the mercedes is a better put together car, but you pay the price for it. - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices
carbucks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The air condition compressor on the 83 is squealing. That's not going to be a lot of fun. Going to have to upgrade the AC to the newer environmental standards. Why? Keep it R12, if you don't want to spend the money on R12 refrigerant there are compatible substitutes. If you convert it to R134A you'll be in for more headaches, and poor cooling to boot. Thanks to all for the interaction. Really helped clarify my next steps. Given the rising cost of fuel and the thousands of miles we put on in a month, a car that gets twice the fuel mileage and saves a thousand or more dollars a year is the way I have to go. Don't forget to figure in interest on any financing, and insurance. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 300TD Wagon on Ebay a little rouhg, but cheap
On Apr 18, 2006, at 4:22 PM, Donald Snook wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1987-300TDT-Turbo-Diesel-Station- Wagon-w- 3rd-Seat_W0QQitemZ4632547977QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Donald H. Snook At almost 300,000mi with damage and bidding at $2025 its already not cheap. There are almost 6 days left on this auction. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am