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On Thu, 18 Jun 2015 08:15:31 -0400 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
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The key point that I am trying to drive home is the limit on the amount
of solar power available. This is a hard limit: ~1000 watts/square
meter is the peak under ideal conditions. A more usable number
The key point that I am trying to drive home is the limit on the amount of
solar power available. This is a hard limit: ~1000 watts/square meter is
the peak under ideal conditions. A more usable number is 200 watts during
daytime, which takes into account average cloud cover and reduced energy
10-4. I was thinking the same thing.
On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 10:37 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:
What most religious people do - ignore that parts that they don't want to
obey/believe.
On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 9:28 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
BIG oops! 5kw. Though the 5mw system would be very nice to have
if it was the same price. Then again I probably don't have the
room for it. I have only 42 acres.
Jim Cathey wrote:
investigating for an upcoming 5000kw system purchase.
5MW? That's pretty big!
There's a lot to be said for a
I belong to a sect that only has 8 members, we worship 7 gods, and we are
the only true religion, death to all others...
Crazy enough?
Snark off...
On Mercedes content.. I just bought an 82 Diesel 300 Turbo CD needing total
restoration [see above for level of insanity required to take on such a
On June 18, 2015 at 8:21 PM archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:
The situation doesn't seem to be quite like you describe it, Grant:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentrated_solar_power#Parabolic_trough
I remember an article in Popular Science in the 70s or 80s.
I'm not a fan of concentrated solar power. Too many bird deaths, and now
it appears they miscalculated the efficiencies as well. Distributed solar
is the way to go.
On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 10:36 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
If you are only talking about return on
Ohh? Really?
Show me the return on investment capital from product [energy] generated
and sold.
Lots of money spent.. very low return on investment.. so much so.. Spain
has put a stop on further underwriting of projects, last I heard.
If your point is, plants were built. Then yes.. they exist.
The situation doesn't seem to be quite like you describe it, Grant:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentrated_solar_power#Parabolic_trough
G Mann wrote:
The solar focused mirror failure rate is very high.
I know of two other large array projects which are equally poor at
producing energy,
If you are only talking about return on investment, then that's generally true
in the U.S., but the success and durability of such plants in producing
electricity seems to be well proven.
Spain has been in dire straits economically, and it has elected a conservative
president. I suspect these
Yeabut where do I get $15 million? I'm not affiliated with any
Gov dept or big company that can get Gov funding for it. And then
there are all the trees I'll have to cut down since I'm not in
the desert. Think of how many tree huggers will be out to get my
head on a pike for that one.
Guess
Attaboy!
Well said, and thank you.
That is the exact point I was attempting to drive to in terms of practical
use application.
Solar just isn't there, yet. If it ever will be remains to be developed at
some point in the future. If you live in one of the sunshine states, it is
costly, but
WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU??
--R
On 6/18/15 12:46 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
On Mercedes content.. I just bought an 82 Diesel 300 Turbo CD needing total
restoration [see above for level of insanity required to take on such a
project] Arizona car, zero rust. zero body damage, paint and
Hi , my name is Grant and I'm addicted to Mercedes. I've tried to kick the
habit for 20 years now and can't seem to do it.. ;))
Anyone suggest a rehab clinic? Preferably one with a good paint shop, and
body lifts?
There must be a Mercedes Annomous somewhere nearby where I can find
help..
Icarus did pretty good until he flew too close to the sun...
On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 2:10 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:
Attaboy!
Well said, and thank you.
That is the exact point I was attempting to drive to in terms of practical
use application.
Solar just isn't
Isn't this Mercedes Anonymous ??? We offer support and help . . .
We want before, during, and after photos of the restoration - - -
On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 1:30 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:
Hi , my name is Grant and I'm addicted to Mercedes. I've tried to kick the
Certainly.. otherwise, my rehabilitation would not be complete.. hahaha
Photos will be coming as the project pulls together.. Currently I'm busy
erecting a 13,500 sq ft workshop. Project will not start until that is up.
The car has been in outside storage for 2 + years so it looks pretty grim
I will hand make the new interior using the supply of vat dyed deer skin
[soft as a babies butt] leather which I have from the days when I bought
and sold executive aircraft and did custom interiors and finish on them to
the new buyers livery.
It was standard practice to always have a second set
Send us a sample of tundra green, or a link if you prefer.
On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 2:30 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:
Hi , my name is Grant and I'm addicted to Mercedes. I've tried to kick the
habit for 20 years now and can't seem to do it.. ;))
Anyone suggest a rehab
But will you install genuine, aromatic Italian ROSER leather or rich
(fine, soft) Corinthian leather?
--R
On 6/18/15 2:30 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
Hi , my name is Grant and I'm addicted to Mercedes. I've tried to kick the
habit for 20 years now and can't seem to do it.. ;))
Anyone
MG via Mercedes wrote:
BIG oops! 5kw. Though the 5mw system would be very nice to have if it
was the same price. Then again I probably don't have the room for it. I
have only 42 acres.
Well, let's see. 5 square meters per kW, so about 25,000 square meters for 5 MW.
Around 4000 square meters
On 18/06/2015 4:14 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
MG via Mercedes wrote:
BIG oops! 5kw. Though the 5mw system would be very nice to have if it
was the same price. Then again I probably don't have the room for it.
I have only 42 acres.
Well, let's see. 5 square meters per kW, so about
That's a pretty scarce color. Why?
On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 3:23 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:
Certainly.. otherwise, my rehabilitation would not be complete.. hahaha
Photos will be coming as the project pulls together.. Currently I'm busy
erecting a 13,500 sq ft
The solar focused mirror failure rate is very high.
I know of two other large array projects which are equally poor at
producing energy, yet equally successful at taking investor money..
Private investment or Government subsidy are defined only by the speed with
which investor money is
There was an article
http://www.wsj.com/articles/high-tech-solar-projects-fail-to-deliver-1434138485
a coupla days ago about some huge project in Kollyfawnya, solar thermal
set-up, that is only producing 40% of the design output due to
unforeseen issues.
The $2.2 billion Ivanpah solar power
I AM WRONG -- it's not gummint money, to my astoundment!
--R
On 6/18/15 5:48 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote:
There was an article
http://www.wsj.com/articles/high-tech-solar-projects-fail-to-deliver-1434138485
a coupla days ago about some huge project in Kollyfawnya, solar
thermal
Yep. Know how to hurt a guy, donchya?
Wilton
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G Mann wrote:
I do raise arguement with the segment of thinking that
leaps forward with the assumption it is a finished and
practical appliction product accepted by public use.
It's not there yet.. it's not even close, yet.. Perhaps,
but not yet.
Andrew wrote:
Grant, I can
Looks like the pure solar plane hasn't made it yet, can't seem to get the
weather to cooperate
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Max
Charleston SC
On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 2:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
wrote:
What about the pure solar plane flying around the globe - as we speak?
Please tell us the amount of power (kilowatts) in a square meter of
sunlight at sea level. Now compare that to the amount of power required to
fly an airplane, and the square meters of wing surface on the upper wings
of the subject airplane. A little simple math, fill in some reasonable
into it). Physics is still physics, and it'll work EVERY time.
Wilton
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Reality is such a harsh mistress..
On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
Looks like the pure solar plane hasn't made it yet, can't seem to get the
weather to cooperate
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Max
Charleston SC
On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 2:04
What about the pure solar plane flying around the globe - as we speak?
On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
Please tell us the amount of power (kilowatts) in a square meter of
sunlight at sea level. Now compare that to the amount of power
Believing that CO2 is a greenhouse gas REQUIRES one to not believe in
physics, so it is no surprise at all that AGW believers also think that
solar is a viable option for transportation.
http://www.kusi.com/story/19600263/why-man-made-global-warming-is-ridiculous
-
Max
Charleston SC
And. The useful load for that Experimental category airplane is
Zero passengers.. Zero cargo.. but.. It is able to travel at almost 80
MPH... most days when the sun shines... for a while
Soon... your majesty.. very soon... I'll be able to turn lead into gold and
you will be
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I'm going to answer my own question, as I think Andrew either won't or
can't.
The subject plane's wingspan is 9.5 meters, let's say we'll be able to fit
12 square meters of PV cells.
When it is summer
Max wrote:
I'm with you on the nuke plants, not so much the electric cars.
None of it works.
We will pollute ourselves in to oblivion.
Read the Pope Encyclical on pollution, greed.
Ain't a thing to be done. Call it AGW or what have you - we either
retreat to stone age or die polluted.
Ain't
I'm with you on the nuke plants, not so much the electric cars. Ridding the
world of coal fired power plants would be a great thing, but there is so much
oil and gas in the ground that internal combustion transportation will be very
economical for decades and maybe centuries to come.
--
Max
Agree with all you said except the 16% part. The newest Sunpower
x-21 series panels have an efficiency of 21.5%. Still not much
better but over the life of the panels could give up to 75% more
power then the 16% units, according to the manufacturer.
Not really germane to what you were saying,
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Cc: Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 2:15 PM
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I'm going to answer my own question, as I think Andrew either won't or
can't.
The subject plane's wingspan is 9.5
I'm going to answer my own question, as I think Andrew either won't or
can't.
The subject plane's wingspan is 9.5 meters, let's say we'll be able to fit
12 square meters of PV cells.
When it is summer and the sun is shining, and it is shining directly down
(local apparent noon), about 1000 watts
On Wed, 17 Jun 2015 14:04:35 -0400
Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
What about the pure solar plane flying around the globe - as we speak?
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/25/business/energy-environment/swiss-pilots-to-fly-solar-plane-around-world.html?_r=0
On Wed,
Actually, I am thinking that building more base-load nukes and having
distributed batteries (including in charging cars at night) around so
that more baseload plants can keep cranking at a steady efficient pace
around the clock, then dumping that power back into the grid or your
My view on the Pope's encyclical: he's just alienated a significant portion
of his flock by moving into the political / AGW-religion arena. A few
years ago, many protestants were considering converting to Catholicism due
to the infiltration of leftists / wackos / LBGT movement that was totally
Max wrote:
My view on the Pope's encyclical...
This is hard to figure.
Something afoot but hard to see what is happening regarding AGW, etc
and then too the LBGT stuff you mention also.
Tough times for religion and science...
Either way, pollution and our ways will not cease, so...
mao
Grant, I can just see you watching the Wright Brothers lift off, saying
they will never be able to compete with trains - that silly contraption
can only carry one or at most two men
On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 10:24 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:
I raise no arguement with
Actually, several parties flew before the Wrights. The problem the Wrights
solved was how to turn.
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From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 11:01 PM
The Wright brothers were not constrained by physics, they were liberated by
physics.
investigating for an upcoming 5000kw system purchase.
5MW? That's pretty big!
There's a lot to be said for a mobile fleet of accumulators.
If you use the accumulator to drive off, it's less likely that
the juice would have been needed where it was parked anyway.
Even if you don't go
More detail, if you're interested -
*General characteristics*
- *Crew:* 1
- *Length:* 22.4 m (73.5 ft)
- *Wingspan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wingspan:* 71.9 m (236 ft)
- *Height:* 6.37 m (20.9 ft)
- *Wing area:* 17,248 photovoltaic cells cover the top of the wings,
fuselage
so it requires 60,000 watts to fly.
Maybe to take off, but typical cruise power is more relevant to
how practical the system is. I still bet it isn't good enough!
-- Jim
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On Jun 17, 2015, at 10:31 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
What's a good Catholic like Bush and Rubio - trapped by right wing
ideology- to do? Squirm, I guess.
On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 10:21 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
Max wrote:
My view on the Pope's encyclical...
This is hard to figure.
Something afoot but hard to
On the other hand, there have been a LOT of promising technologies that
challenged existing physics, and lost. Cold fusion anyone?
On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 9:31 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
Grant, I can just see you watching the Wright Brothers lift off,
What most religious people do - ignore that parts that they don't want to
obey/believe.
On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 9:28 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
What's a good Catholic like Bush and Rubio - trapped by right wing
ideology- to do? Squirm, I guess.
--
OK
Solar Impulse 2 (stuck in China last I heard waiting for enough good
weather to cross the Pacific Ocean at 35 mph): with a massive 263-foot
wingspan, the same as a Boeing 747. Yet even with that massive wingspan
loaded with more than 17,000 monocrystalline silicon solar cells, and more
than 2,000
I raise no arguement with experimentation and exploration what so ever.
I do raise arguement with the segment of thinking that leaps forward with
the assumption it is a finished and practical appliction product accepted
by public use.
It's not there yet.. it's not even close, yet.. Perhaps, but
I am troubled by the ongoing fantasy that an array of solar panels on the
wings would recharge and power the airplane. Or an electric car.
That fantasy seems to be driven by a direct disconnect from reality, which
in turn, seems driven by the belief that all electricity comes out of a
grid socket
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Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 1:24 PM
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I am troubled by the ongoing fantasy that an array of solar panels on the
wings would recharge and power the airplane. Or an electric car.
That fantasy seems to be driven by a direct
archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-3117977/World-s-plug-plane-takes-Bright-sparks-Airbus-unveil-electric-two-seater-E-Fan-aircraft-Paris-Air-s-nearly-silent-flight.html
Electric has been replacing methanol in model planes over the last 20
All they need is a solar PV charging station...
On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 7:12 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
It's certainly not the worlds first, Yuneec flew one in 2009 - - -
according to the Telegraph: The aircraft manufacturer has unveiled the
world's first plug-in plane at the Paris Air Show.
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