Re: [MBZ] American policy HEY DAN - this is getting out of hand

2015-06-16 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes

More like:  Air-uhh air-uhh bahtendah!

--R


On 6/16/15 1:39 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:

  G Mann wrote:

Rumor has it that Ted was touring a whisky distillery and nearly drowned

   when he slipped and fell into a 10,000 gallon vat of whiskey..


He would have.. but he got out twice to go to bathroom...


Fat teddy kennedy was pathetic.  His own ol man (criminal) probably would
have had 'im rubbed out if the man had lived long enough.

...
Story going around the hospitals and funeral homes had it that every time they tried to 
use embalming fluid he would raise up and shout: Bartender!  Undertaker had 
to inject a case of scotch before they could close the lid.

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Re: [MBZ] American policy HEY DAN - this is getting out of hand

2015-06-16 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Hate to ruin your party, but there are tons of young Kennedys running
around carrying out Ted's policy legacy...

On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 9:16 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 More like:  Air-uhh air-uhh bahtendah!

 --R



 On 6/16/15 1:39 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:

   G Mann wrote:

 Rumor has it that Ted was touring a whisky distillery and nearly
 drowned

when he slipped and fell into a 10,000 gallon vat of whiskey..

  He would have.. but he got out twice to go to bathroom...

  Fat teddy kennedy was pathetic.  His own ol man (criminal) probably
 would
 have had 'im rubbed out if the man had lived long enough.

 ...
 Story going around the hospitals and funeral homes had it that every time
 they tried to use embalming fluid he would raise up and shout:
 Bartender!  Undertaker had to inject a case of scotch before they could
 close the lid.

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Re: [MBZ] American policy

2015-06-15 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes

Ted Kennedy (D-UI) would pass that test!

BTW Teddy has been sober for 6 years or so now.

--R



On 6/15/15 12:59 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

I make the motion that all Congress should have to pass drug and alcohol
tests BEFORE voting.

All in favor so signify by saying AYE

Apparently, having an IQ greater than your shoe size is not a requirement
for being elected to Congress.. as wittnessed by the link shown.. Classic..



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Re: [MBZ] American policy

2015-06-15 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
Actually, he was pre-embalmed, wasn't he?  The family probably shoulda 
gotten a discount on the embalming fluid.


Wilton

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To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] American policy



Ted Kennedy (D-UI) would pass that test!

BTW Teddy has been sober for 6 years or so now.

--R



On 6/15/15 12:59 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

I make the motion that all Congress should have to pass drug and alcohol
tests BEFORE voting.

All in favor so signify by saying AYE

Apparently, having an IQ greater than your shoe size is not a requirement
for being elected to Congress.. as wittnessed by the link shown.. 
Classic..



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Re: [MBZ] American policy HEY DAN - this is getting out of hand

2015-06-15 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes
 G Mann wrote:
 
 Rumor has it that Ted was touring a whisky distillery and nearly 
  drowned
when he slipped and fell into a 10,000 gallon vat of whiskey..
 
 He would have.. but he got out twice to go to bathroom...
 
  Fat teddy kennedy was pathetic.  His own ol man (criminal) probably would
  have had 'im rubbed out if the man had lived long enough.
...
Story going around the hospitals and funeral homes had it that every time they 
tried to use embalming fluid he would raise up and shout: Bartender!  
Undertaker had to inject a case of scotch before they could close the lid.

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Re: [MBZ] American policy

2015-06-15 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
Back in the day, UVa had a real honor code that students and faculty took
quite seriously.  Ted K ran afoul of that standard (cheating) and let's just
say he continued his legal education elsewhere.

Much has changed since those days.  For example, they have women students
now, like Jackie of Rolling Stone fame.

 -Original Message-
 From:  Thomas via Mercedes
 Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 9:21 AM
 
 Ted Kennedy (D-UI) would pass that test!
 
 BTW Teddy has been sober for 6 years or so now.
 
 --R
 
 


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Re: [MBZ] American policy

2015-06-15 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Yeah, what's up with that - who let them in?

On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 8:48 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Back in the day, UVa had a real honor code that students and faculty took
 quite seriously.  Ted K ran afoul of that standard (cheating) and let's
 just
 say he continued his legal education elsewhere.

 Much has changed since those days.  For example, they have women students
 now, like Jackie of Rolling Stone fame.

  -Original Message-
  From:  Thomas via Mercedes
  Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 9:21 AM
 
  Ted Kennedy (D-UI) would pass that test!
 
  BTW Teddy has been sober for 6 years or so now.
 
  --R
 
 


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Re: [MBZ] American policy HEY DAN - this is getting out of hand

2015-06-15 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
You mean breaks repared, right?

On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 We all know the history of the Kennedy's.
 No point in arguing about it one way or the other.

 Let us get back to old worn out Mercedes that need the holes welded shut
 or the brakes repaired.

 RB


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Re: [MBZ] American policy

2015-06-15 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
I have personal observational experience with Teddy and his scotch 
consumption.  Truly epic capacity, and a sloppy disgusting drunk too.


I had friends who thought he was the second coming because he delivered 
the free sh*t to MA.  Character and such apparently did not matter to 
them because he had the proper ideology.  They would just blank it out 
and ignore it.  I never understood that (and still don't).


I saw Joan a few times at Symphony in Boston, I guess this was at times 
she was trying to dry out (or she could hold it well and remain 
functional), I think she was never successful in that endeavor.  She was 
a quite attractive woman and I always thought she was probably driven to 
drink by being married into that disgusting family, or maybe she was 
disposed to it as well and was a good match for Teddy back whenever he 
was cheating at Hahvahd.


--R



On 6/15/15 1:45 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Rumor has it that Ted was touring a whisky distillery and nearly drowned
when he slipped and fell into a 10,000 gallon vat of whiskey..
He would have.. but he got out twice to go to bathroom...

On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 6:21 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


Ted Kennedy (D-UI) would pass that test!

BTW Teddy has been sober for 6 years or so now.

--R



On 6/15/15 12:59 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:


I make the motion that all Congress should have to pass drug and alcohol
tests BEFORE voting.

All in favor so signify by saying AYE

Apparently, having an IQ greater than your shoe size is not a requirement
for being elected to Congress.. as wittnessed by the link shown..
Classic..



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Re: [MBZ] American policy

2015-06-15 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Some of you are PATHETIC.

On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 1:45 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

 Rumor has it that Ted was touring a whisky distillery and nearly drowned
 when he slipped and fell into a 10,000 gallon vat of whiskey..
 He would have.. but he got out twice to go to bathroom...

 On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 6:21 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

  Ted Kennedy (D-UI) would pass that test!
 
  BTW Teddy has been sober for 6 years or so now.
 
  --R
 
 
 
  On 6/15/15 12:59 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
 
  I make the motion that all Congress should have to pass drug and alcohol
  tests BEFORE voting.
 
  All in favor so signify by saying AYE
 
  Apparently, having an IQ greater than your shoe size is not a
 requirement
  for being elected to Congress.. as wittnessed by the link shown..
  Classic..
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] American policy

2015-06-15 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
Teddy was pathetic.  Murderer, drunk, cheater, misogynist the list 
goes own and own.


--R



On 6/15/15 2:06 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Some of you are PATHETIC.

On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 1:45 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:


Rumor has it that Ted was touring a whisky distillery and nearly drowned
when he slipped and fell into a 10,000 gallon vat of whiskey..
He would have.. but he got out twice to go to bathroom...

On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 6:21 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


Ted Kennedy (D-UI) would pass that test!

BTW Teddy has been sober for 6 years or so now.

--R



On 6/15/15 12:59 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:


I make the motion that all Congress should have to pass drug and alcohol
tests BEFORE voting.

All in favor so signify by saying AYE

Apparently, having an IQ greater than your shoe size is not a

requirement

for being elected to Congress.. as wittnessed by the link shown..
Classic..



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Re: [MBZ] American policy

2015-06-15 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Rumor has it that Ted was touring a whisky distillery and nearly drowned
when he slipped and fell into a 10,000 gallon vat of whiskey..
He would have.. but he got out twice to go to bathroom...

On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 6:21 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Ted Kennedy (D-UI) would pass that test!

 BTW Teddy has been sober for 6 years or so now.

 --R



 On 6/15/15 12:59 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

 I make the motion that all Congress should have to pass drug and alcohol
 tests BEFORE voting.

 All in favor so signify by saying AYE

 Apparently, having an IQ greater than your shoe size is not a requirement
 for being elected to Congress.. as wittnessed by the link shown..
 Classic..



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Re: [MBZ] American policy

2015-06-15 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

Some of you are PATHETIC.

On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 1:45 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:


 Rumor has it that Ted was touring a whisky distillery and nearly drowned
 when he slipped and fell into a 10,000 gallon vat of whiskey..

  He would have.. but he got out twice to go to bathroom...


Fat teddy kennedy was pathetic.  His own ol man (criminal) probably 
would have had 'im rubbed out if the man had lived long enough.


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Re: [MBZ] American policy

2015-06-15 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
Teddy was pathetic.  Murderer, drunk, cheater, misogynist the 
list goes on and on.


--R


Anyone who still worships this drunk slob, dead teddy, is pathetic. 
Senator or no, he was a criminal from a criminal family.


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Re: [MBZ] American policy

2015-06-15 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes


 On June 15, 2015 at 4:01 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 
 Why are you so fixated on him?  Kennedy hatred?

Naw, he just doesn't like crooks.

Mitch. 

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Re: [MBZ] American policy

2015-06-15 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Why are you so fixated on him?  Kennedy hatred?

On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 3:43 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Teddy was pathetic.  Murderer, drunk, cheater, misogynist the list
 goes on and on.

 --R


 Anyone who still worships this drunk slob, dead teddy, is pathetic.
 Senator or no, he was a criminal from a criminal family.

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Re: [MBZ] American policy

2015-06-15 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
If taking cheap shots at a US Senator who has been deceased for 6 years
makes you feel better about yourself, then you ARE pathetic..

On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 3:03 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Some of you are PATHETIC.

 On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 1:45 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com
 wrote:

   Rumor has it that Ted was touring a whisky distillery and nearly drowned
  when he slipped and fell into a 10,000 gallon vat of whiskey..

   He would have.. but he got out twice to go to bathroom...


 Fat teddy kennedy was pathetic.  His own ol man (criminal) probably would
 have had 'im rubbed out if the man had lived long enough.


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Re: [MBZ] American policy

2015-06-15 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
Yes, actually.  The whole crowd pretty much were sociopaths and in 
Teddy's case he murdered a girl, who was likely pregnant, and never 
owned up to it like a real man.  And I have personally observed his 
disgusting drunk behavior to women as a US Senator.  No class, no honor, 
no integrity.  He believed he was above the law, laws did not apply to 
him, and he had some sort of privilege that mere mortals would never 
approach -- plenty of stories around about his boorish behavior 
(waitress sandwich?, sailboat mishaps while drunk, CG bailing him out, 
discharging the head tank in Nantucket Harbor, etc.).  His idiot nephew 
Joe Jr. was an obnoxious stupid fool as well, as I personally witnessed 
when he was with Teddy.  The others have demonstrated stupidity, hubris, 
criminal behavior (rape), drug/drunk driving, in their lives and 
deaths.  His brother John was an adulterer to his wife and children (who 
grew up stupid too), and a bunch of the idiot spawn have done the same. 
The father had his daughter (sister to Teddy/John?Robert) lobotomized 
without even telling the wife/mother because she was a bit troublesome.  
They were good checkbook Catholics who made a mockery of the Church 
and people who have that strong faith.


So yeah, I hate them and all they have stood for.  It's amazing how some 
particular individuals who have a particular ideological purity get a 
pass on their otherwise disgusting pathetic existences. If it wasn't for 
daddy's ill-gotten gains, the whole crowd would have been nothing.  
Having lived in MA for 22 years and seen the behavior and him directly, 
I do have a fixation.


--R



On 6/15/15 4:01 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Why are you so fixated on him?  Kennedy hatred?

On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 3:43 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


Teddy was pathetic.  Murderer, drunk, cheater, misogynist the list

goes on and on.

--R


Anyone who still worships this drunk slob, dead teddy, is pathetic.
Senator or no, he was a criminal from a criminal family.

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Re: [MBZ] American policy

2015-06-15 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Sounds like typical, run-of-the-mill politician to me . . .  Oklahoma is
filled with them. Once elected, the law no longer applies.

On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 4:57 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Yes, actually.  The whole crowd pretty much were sociopaths and in Teddy's
 case he murdered a girl, who was likely pregnant, and never owned up to it
 like a real man.  And I have personally observed his disgusting drunk
 behavior to women as a US Senator.  No class, no honor, no integrity.  He
 believed he was above the law, laws did not apply to him, and he had some
 sort of privilege that mere mortals would never approach -- plenty of
 stories around about his boorish behavior (waitress sandwich?, sailboat
 mishaps while drunk, CG bailing him out, discharging the head tank in
 Nantucket Harbor, etc.).  His idiot nephew Joe Jr. was an obnoxious stupid
 fool as well, as I personally witnessed when he was with Teddy.  The others
 have demonstrated stupidity, hubris, criminal behavior (rape), drug/drunk
 driving, in their lives and deaths.  His brother John was an adulterer to
 his wife and children (who grew up stupid too), and a bunch of the idiot
 spawn have done the same. The father had his daughter (sister to
 Teddy/John?Robert) lobotomized without even telling the wife/mother because
 she was a bit troublesome.  They were good checkbook Catholics who made a
 mockery of the Church and people who have that strong faith.

 So yeah, I hate them and all they have stood for.  It's amazing how some
 particular individuals who have a particular ideological purity get a
 pass on their otherwise disgusting pathetic existences. If it wasn't for
 daddy's ill-gotten gains, the whole crowd would have been nothing.  Having
 lived in MA for 22 years and seen the behavior and him directly, I do have
 a fixation.

 --R


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Re: [MBZ] American policy HEY DAN - this is getting out of hand

2015-06-15 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes




On 15/06/2015 2:26 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

If taking cheap shots at a US Senator who has been deceased for 6 years
makes you feel better about yourself, then you ARE pathetic..

On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 3:03 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


Some of you are PATHETIC.

On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 1:45 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

   Rumor has it that Ted was touring a whisky distillery and nearly drowned

  when he slipped and fell into a 10,000 gallon vat of whiskey..


   He would have.. but he got out twice to go to bathroom...


Fat teddy kennedy was pathetic.  His own ol man (criminal) probably would
have had 'im rubbed out if the man had lived long enough.


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Re: [MBZ] American policy HEY DAN - this is getting out of hand

2015-06-15 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Amen brother.

On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 I think it’s run it’s course.  Andrew is incensed that someone would
 besmirch the Kennedys, and others are pointing out the obvious and very
 well known Achilles’ heel of Ted (alcoholism) and the family as a whole.
 One has to admit that the whole family is a bit of a train wreck, no matter
 what your position.  Makes them an easy target, unfortunately.

 Not a whole lot different from other despotic families of politics and
 industry, like the Busch of Budweiser fame.

 I don’t think I need to intervene at this point.  Seems like everyone’s
 had their say and have retreated to their respective corners for now.  Play
 nice, guys.  I don’t want to have to pull this list over.

 Dan

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Re: [MBZ] American policy HEY DAN - this is getting out of hand

2015-06-15 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

We all know the history of the Kennedy's.
No point in arguing about it one way or the other.

Let us get back to old worn out Mercedes that need the holes welded shut 
or the brakes repaired.


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Re: [MBZ] American policy HEY DAN - this is getting out of hand

2015-06-15 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
I totally agree.

On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 5:10 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:




 On 15/06/2015 2:26 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

 If taking cheap shots at a US Senator who has been deceased for 6 years
 makes you feel better about yourself, then you ARE pathetic..

 On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 3:03 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

  Some of you are PATHETIC.

 On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 1:45 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com
 wrote:

Rumor has it that Ted was touring a whisky distillery and nearly
 drowned

   when he slipped and fell into a 10,000 gallon vat of whiskey..

 He would have.. but he got out twice to go to bathroom...

  Fat teddy kennedy was pathetic.  His own ol man (criminal) probably
 would
 have had 'im rubbed out if the man had lived long enough.


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Re: [MBZ] American policy HEY DAN - this is getting out of hand

2015-06-15 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I think it’s run it’s course.  Andrew is incensed that someone would besmirch 
the Kennedys, and others are pointing out the obvious and very well known 
Achilles’ heel of Ted (alcoholism) and the family as a whole. One has to admit 
that the whole family is a bit of a train wreck, no matter what your position.  
Makes them an easy target, unfortunately.

Not a whole lot different from other despotic families of politics and 
industry, like the Busch of Budweiser fame.

I don’t think I need to intervene at this point.  Seems like everyone’s had 
their say and have retreated to their respective corners for now.  Play nice, 
guys.  I don’t want to have to pull this list over.

Dan

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 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 


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Re: [MBZ] American policy

2015-06-15 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes
http://www.hangoutstorage.com/banjohangout.org/storage/audio/28/the-chappa-28089-3257192442008.mp3

On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:



  On June 15, 2015 at 4:01 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
  mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 
  Why are you so fixated on him?  Kennedy hatred?

 Naw, he just doesn't like crooks.

 Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] American policy

2015-06-14 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes
When the U.S. was flying nuclear bombs to the borders of the USSR and then 
turning back at the last minute during the late '40s, General Curt LeMay said 
we should keep right on going to Russian targets and nuke the communists back 
to the stone age.
I wonder what the world would be like nowadays if someone had given that 
command? 
Gerry

Rich Thomas wrote:
 I say we take off an nuke the whole site from orbit.  It's the only way to be 
 sure.
 
 On 6/13/15 7:28 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
  America won the Cold War in large part because the Russians knew that 
  American avionics would give NATO control of the air in any prospective 
  war; that the Pershing missiles in Germany and Italy gave NATO an advantage 
  in any prospective nuclear exchange; and that the Reagan Strategic Defense 
  Initiative portended a new range of technologies that Russia couldn’t 
  match. China looked on from a distance and aligned itself with the dominant 
  technological superpower.
 
  If America wants to command China’s respect, it has to widen the technology 
  gap, rather than watch it shrink. If China believed that its weapons 
  systems were ineffective against American countermeasures, it would show 
  far more caution. But the opposite is true: the technology gap is closing, 
  and China knows it. America still has a technological lead and the 
  resources to widen it–should it choose to do so. There is no obvious 
  political constituency for such an effort though, and no prominent leader 
  commited to doing so. A return to the Eisenhower-Kennedy-Reagan commitment 
  to American technological superiority would also have enormously beneficial 
  effects for America’s lagging productivity. But it is hard to persuade 
  Americans that it is better to be tough than to sound tough.
 
  Asia Times
 
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Re: [MBZ] American policy

2015-06-14 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
The thing that made the Cold War work for both sides, what the element of
mutually assured distruction .. Simply put.. if either side started, both
sides had enough nukes and the means to deliver them that all life would
have been deleted from the face of the earth.

So.. bravado aside.. Gen LeMay knew he wasn't going to get that order.. and
his Russian counterpart knew it as well.. but both had to take the sabers
out and rattle them regularly to keep the military / Industrial Complex
fully employed.

Regan made a gutsy and brilliant move with his star wars plan, It drove
the Russians to bankruptsy trying to out guess [and steal] technology that
did not actually exist, but was close enough to almost there to make them
believe USA was capable of neutralizing any of their weapons delivery,
which tipped the balance that had been in place for decades..

However.. now we are headed down the same road to snatch defeat from the
jaws of victory, through gross financial mismanagement.

On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 10:32 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 When the U.S. was flying nuclear bombs to the borders of the USSR and then
 turning back at the last minute during the late '40s, General Curt LeMay
 said we should keep right on going to Russian targets and nuke the
 communists back to the stone age.
 I wonder what the world would be like nowadays if someone had given that
 command?
 Gerry

 Rich Thomas wrote:
  I say we take off an nuke the whole site from orbit.  It's the only way
 to be sure.

  On 6/13/15 7:28 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
   America won the Cold War in large part because the Russians knew
 that American avionics would give NATO control of the air in any
 prospective war; that the Pershing missiles in Germany and Italy gave NATO
 an advantage in any prospective nuclear exchange; and that the Reagan
 Strategic Defense Initiative portended a new range of technologies that
 Russia couldn’t match. China looked on from a distance and aligned itself
 with the dominant technological superpower.
  
   If America wants to command China’s respect, it has to widen the
 technology gap, rather than watch it shrink. If China believed that its
 weapons systems were ineffective against American countermeasures, it would
 show far more caution. But the opposite is true: the technology gap is
 closing, and China knows it. America still has a technological lead and the
 resources to widen it–should it choose to do so. There is no obvious
 political constituency for such an effort though, and no prominent leader
 commited to doing so. A return to the Eisenhower-Kennedy-Reagan commitment
 to American technological superiority would also have enormously beneficial
 effects for America’s lagging productivity. But it is hard to persuade
 Americans that it is better to be tough than to sound tough.
  
   Asia Times
  
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Re: [MBZ] American policy

2015-06-14 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
I say we take off an nuke the whole site from orbit.  It's the only way 
to be sure.


--R

On 6/13/15 7:28 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:

America won the Cold War in large part because the Russians knew that 
American avionics would give NATO control of the air in any prospective war; that 
the Pershing missiles in Germany and Italy gave NATO an advantage in any prospective 
nuclear exchange; and that the Reagan Strategic Defense Initiative portended a new 
range of technologies that Russia couldn’t match. China looked on from a distance 
and aligned itself with the dominant technological superpower.

If America wants to command China’s respect, it has to widen the technology 
gap, rather than watch it shrink. If China believed that its weapons systems 
were ineffective against American countermeasures, it would show far more 
caution. But the opposite is true: the technology gap is closing, and China 
knows it. America still has a technological lead and the resources to widen 
it–should it choose to do so. There is no obvious political constituency for 
such an effort though, and no prominent leader commited to doing so. A return 
to the Eisenhower-Kennedy-Reagan commitment to American technological 
superiority would also have enormously beneficial effects for America’s lagging 
productivity. But it is hard to persuade Americans that it is better to be 
tough than to sound tough.

Asia Times

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Re: [MBZ] American policy

2015-06-14 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
When the U.S. was flying nuclear bombs to the borders of the USSR 
and then turning back at the last minute during the late '40s, 
General Curt LeMay said we should keep right on going to Russian 
targets and nuke the communists back to the stone age.
I wonder what the world would be like nowadays if someone had given 
that command?

Gerry


He was not alone.  Patton believed the same, as did McArthur.

There is evidence Patton was assassinated by our goobermnt to prevent 
him from starting a war with the rooskies


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Re: [MBZ] American policy

2015-06-14 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
As an early boomer, I heard this discussed often by the grownups  during
the early 50s.  I didn't understand it at the time but I do remember it.
The men (all either WWI or WWII vets) concurred with Patton, et al.

 
 When the U.S. was flying nuclear bombs to the borders of the USSR and
 then turning back at the last minute during the late '40s, General Curt
 LeMay said we should keep right on going to Russian targets and nuke
 the communists back to the stone age.
 I wonder what the world would be like nowadays if someone had given
 that command?
 Gerry
 


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Re: [MBZ] American policy

2015-06-14 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
O'Reilly's book lays out several elements of incredible coincidence for an 
accident.

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 Please elaborate…
 
 
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  There is evidence Patton was assassinated by our goobermnt to prevent him
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Re: [MBZ] American policy

2015-06-14 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
I have always understood that what ended the Cold War had nothing at  
all to do with Reagan, but instead Chernobyl convinced Gorbachov that  
nuclear war was an invitation to the end of civilization -- no one  
would survive with a functioning economy or decent standard of living,  
even non-combatants.


And then the Russians stopped playing Cold War.   Game's over when  
one side quits playing.


It wasn't like the Soviet economy collapsed since it didn't function  
anyway, it was that it wasn't ever going to recover from WWII as long  
as Russia played Cold War.


Cracking their teeth on Afganistan didn't help much either -- sound  
familiar?


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] American policy

2015-06-14 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
Please elaborate…


 On Jun 14, 2015, at 2:59 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 
 There is evidence Patton was assassinated by our goobermnt to prevent him 
 from starting a war with the rooskies

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Re: [MBZ] American policy

2015-06-14 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
A lot later than the 40's; I flew 'em on airborne alert in '64 - '66; last 
ones were on airborne alert in '68; 'stopped after B-52 crash and loss of 
nukes at Thule, Greenland, in '68..


Wilton

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When the U.S. was flying nuclear bombs to the borders of the USSR and then 
turning back at the last minute during the late '40s, General Curt LeMay 
said we should keep right on going to Russian targets and nuke the 
communists back to the stone age.
I wonder what the world would be like nowadays if someone had given that 
command?

Gerry

Rich Thomas wrote:
I say we take off an nuke the whole site from orbit.  It's the only way 
to be sure.



On 6/13/15 7:28 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
 America won the Cold War in large part because the Russians knew 
 that American avionics would give NATO control of the air in any 
 prospective war; that the Pershing missiles in Germany and Italy gave 
 NATO an advantage in any prospective nuclear exchange; and that the 
 Reagan Strategic Defense Initiative portended a new range of 
 technologies that Russia couldn’t match. China looked on from a 
 distance and aligned itself with the dominant technological superpower.


 If America wants to command China’s respect, it has to widen the 
 technology gap, rather than watch it shrink. If China believed that its 
 weapons systems were ineffective against American countermeasures, it 
 would show far more caution. But the opposite is true: the technology 
 gap is closing, and China knows it. America still has a technological 
 lead and the resources to widen it–should it choose to do so. There is 
 no obvious political constituency for such an effort though, and no 
 prominent leader commited to doing so. A return to the 
 Eisenhower-Kennedy-Reagan commitment to American technological 
 superiority would also have enormously beneficial effects for America’s 
 lagging productivity. But it is hard to persuade Americans that it is 
 better to be tough than to sound tough.


 Asia Times

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Re: [MBZ] American policy

2015-06-14 Thread LarryT via Mercedes
if we were to start putting $$s into defense again (and the liberals 
would squeal) and keep ISIS etc., busy fighting each other if we just 
stirred them up against each other, we could improve our economy all 
around.  But instead we try to be nice so the bad guys will like us. LOL 
- that'll never happen cause they want us dead! They're not going to 
play nice with us.  Not sure I'd advocate using nukes because the 
prevailing winds tend to move the clouds all over the place.


I wonder if the end of The longest Day' verbiage was accurate when they 
had Patton saying we should go ahead and kick the Russians butt since 
we'd have to do so eventually  we- might as well do it when we had the 
resources in the area...


So many could have, should have, would haves, but we'll never know.

LarryT
91 300D

On 6/14/2015 2:43 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

The thing that made the Cold War work for both sides, what the element of
mutually assured distruction .. Simply put.. if either side started, both
sides had enough nukes and the means to deliver them that all life would
have been deleted from the face of the earth.

So.. bravado aside.. Gen LeMay knew he wasn't going to get that order.. and
his Russian counterpart knew it as well.. but both had to take the sabers
out and rattle them regularly to keep the military / Industrial Complex
fully employed.

Regan made a gutsy and brilliant move with his star wars plan, It drove
the Russians to bankruptsy trying to out guess [and steal] technology that
did not actually exist, but was close enough to almost there to make them
believe USA was capable of neutralizing any of their weapons delivery,
which tipped the balance that had been in place for decades..

However.. now we are headed down the same road to snatch defeat from the
jaws of victory, through gross financial mismanagement.

On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 10:32 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


When the U.S. was flying nuclear bombs to the borders of the USSR and then
turning back at the last minute during the late '40s, General Curt LeMay
said we should keep right on going to Russian targets and nuke the
communists back to the stone age.
I wonder what the world would be like nowadays if someone had given that
command?
Gerry

Rich Thomas wrote:

I say we take off an nuke the whole site from orbit.  It's the only way

to be sure.


On 6/13/15 7:28 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:

America won the Cold War in large part because the Russians knew

that American avionics would give NATO control of the air in any
prospective war; that the Pershing missiles in Germany and Italy gave NATO
an advantage in any prospective nuclear exchange; and that the Reagan
Strategic Defense Initiative portended a new range of technologies that
Russia couldn’t match. China looked on from a distance and aligned itself
with the dominant technological superpower.

If America wants to command China’s respect, it has to widen the

technology gap, rather than watch it shrink. If China believed that its
weapons systems were ineffective against American countermeasures, it would
show far more caution. But the opposite is true: the technology gap is
closing, and China knows it. America still has a technological lead and the
resources to widen it–should it choose to do so. There is no obvious
political constituency for such an effort though, and no prominent leader
commited to doing so. A return to the Eisenhower-Kennedy-Reagan commitment
to American technological superiority would also have enormously beneficial
effects for America’s lagging productivity. But it is hard to persuade
Americans that it is better to be tough than to sound tough.

Asia Times

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Re: [MBZ] American policy

2015-06-14 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes
These flights happened before the Russians had a significant means of 
retaliation IIRC; which would have left the U.S. the worlds only nuclear power 
considering that China would have been given the choice of eliminating their 
nuclear weapons or suffering the same fate as the USSR. MAD came later IIRC.
In retrospect, the U.S. would have, in fact, become the worlds policeman and 
probably avoided the situation we have now.
Our legislators didn't understand the principles of international power 
politics back then, and apparently still don't; especially Representative Hank 
Johnson of Georgia:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/guamtip.asp

Gerry

G Mann wrote:

 The thing that made the Cold War work for both sides, what the element of
 mutually assured distruction .. Simply put.. if either side started, both
 sides had enough nukes and the means to deliver them that all life would
 have been deleted from the face of the earth.
 
 So.. bravado aside.. Gen LeMay knew he wasn't going to get that order.. and
 his Russian counterpart knew it as well.. but both had to take the sabers
 out and rattle them regularly to keep the military / Industrial Complex
 fully employed.
 
 Regan made a gutsy and brilliant move with his star wars plan, It drove
 the Russians to bankruptsy trying to out guess [and steal] technology that
 did not actually exist, but was close enough to almost there to make them
 believe USA was capable of neutralizing any of their weapons delivery,
 which tipped the balance that had been in place for decades..
 
 However.. now we are headed down the same road to snatch defeat from the
 jaws of victory, through gross financial mismanagement.
 
 On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 10:32 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
  When the U.S. was flying nuclear bombs to the borders of the USSR and then
  turning back at the last minute during the late '40s, General Curt LeMay
  said we should keep right on going to Russian targets and nuke the
  communists back to the stone age.
  I wonder what the world would be like nowadays if someone had given that
  command?
  Gerry
 
  Rich Thomas wrote:
   I say we take off an nuke the whole site from orbit.  It's the only way
  to be sure.
 
   On 6/13/15 7:28 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
America won the Cold War in large part because the Russians knew
  that American avionics would give NATO control of the air in any
  prospective war; that the Pershing missiles in Germany and Italy gave NATO
  an advantage in any prospective nuclear exchange; and that the Reagan
  Strategic Defense Initiative portended a new range of technologies that
  Russia couldn’t match. China looked on from a distance and aligned itself
  with the dominant technological superpower.
   
If America wants to command China’s respect, it has to widen the
  technology gap, rather than watch it shrink. If China believed that its
  weapons systems were ineffective against American countermeasures, it would
  show far more caution. But the opposite is true: the technology gap is
  closing, and China knows it. America still has a technological lead and the
  resources to widen it–should it choose to do so. There is no obvious
  political constituency for such an effort though, and no prominent leader
  commited to doing so. A return to the Eisenhower-Kennedy-Reagan commitment
  to American technological superiority would also have enormously beneficial
  effects for America’s lagging productivity. But it is hard to persuade
  Americans that it is better to be tough than to sound tough.
   
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Re: [MBZ] American policy

2015-06-14 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

Please elaborateŠ


 On Jun 14, 2015, at 2:59 PM, Curly McLain via 
Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:



  There is evidence Patton was assassinated by 
our goobermnt to prevent him from starting a war 
with the rooskies


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/3869117/General-George-S.-Patton-was-assassinated-to-silence-his-criticism-of-allied-war-leaders-claims-new-book.html

Do a search for General George Patton assassinated  You will see both sides.

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Re: [MBZ] American policy

2015-06-14 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
I make the motion that all Congress should have to pass drug and alcohol
tests BEFORE voting.

All in favor so signify by saying AYE

Apparently, having an IQ greater than your shoe size is not a requirement
for being elected to Congress.. as wittnessed by the link shown.. Classic..

On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 5:51 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 These flights happened before the Russians had a significant means of
 retaliation IIRC; which would have left the U.S. the worlds only nuclear
 power considering that China would have been given the choice of
 eliminating their nuclear weapons or suffering the same fate as the USSR.
 MAD came later IIRC.
 In retrospect, the U.S. would have, in fact, become the worlds policeman
 and probably avoided the situation we have now.
 Our legislators didn't understand the principles of international power
 politics back then, and apparently still don't; especially Representative
 Hank Johnson of Georgia:

 http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/guamtip.asp

 Gerry

 G Mann wrote:

  The thing that made the Cold War work for both sides, what the element of
  mutually assured distruction .. Simply put.. if either side started,
 both
  sides had enough nukes and the means to deliver them that all life would
  have been deleted from the face of the earth.
 
  So.. bravado aside.. Gen LeMay knew he wasn't going to get that order..
 and
  his Russian counterpart knew it as well.. but both had to take the sabers
  out and rattle them regularly to keep the military / Industrial Complex
  fully employed.
 
  Regan made a gutsy and brilliant move with his star wars plan, It drove
  the Russians to bankruptsy trying to out guess [and steal] technology
 that
  did not actually exist, but was close enough to almost there to make
 them
  believe USA was capable of neutralizing any of their weapons delivery,
  which tipped the balance that had been in place for decades..
 
  However.. now we are headed down the same road to snatch defeat from the
  jaws of victory, through gross financial mismanagement.
 
  On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 10:32 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes 
  mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
   When the U.S. was flying nuclear bombs to the borders of the USSR and
 then
   turning back at the last minute during the late '40s, General Curt
 LeMay
   said we should keep right on going to Russian targets and nuke the
   communists back to the stone age.
   I wonder what the world would be like nowadays if someone had given
 that
   command?
   Gerry
  
   Rich Thomas wrote:
I say we take off an nuke the whole site from orbit.  It's the only
 way
   to be sure.
  
On 6/13/15 7:28 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
 America won the Cold War in large part because the Russians
 knew
   that American avionics would give NATO control of the air in any
   prospective war; that the Pershing missiles in Germany and Italy gave
 NATO
   an advantage in any prospective nuclear exchange; and that the Reagan
   Strategic Defense Initiative portended a new range of technologies that
   Russia couldn’t match. China looked on from a distance and aligned
 itself
   with the dominant technological superpower.

 If America wants to command China’s respect, it has to widen the
   technology gap, rather than watch it shrink. If China believed that its
   weapons systems were ineffective against American countermeasures, it
 would
   show far more caution. But the opposite is true: the technology gap is
   closing, and China knows it. America still has a technological lead
 and the
   resources to widen it–should it choose to do so. There is no obvious
   political constituency for such an effort though, and no prominent
 leader
   commited to doing so. A return to the Eisenhower-Kennedy-Reagan
 commitment
   to American technological superiority would also have enormously
 beneficial
   effects for America’s lagging productivity. But it is hard to persuade
   Americans that it is better to be tough than to sound tough.

 Asia Times

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