Re: [MBZ] CHevy 305/350 WAS- High mileage badges
In my quest to replace my aging Dakota (211,000 miles and rust) I came across an '87 K5 Blazer with a mere 89,000 miles. Checking fueleconomy.gov its only about 1mpg worse on the highway than my Dakota... Boy I like the old body style Blazers, big and confortable. Good in the woods, not bad on the road and really not all that bad on gas all things considered. That and a bigger snowmobile trailer might be a good fit for my needs for relatively little money. -Curt Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:08:40 -0600 From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] CHevy 305/350 WAS- High mileage badges To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I had a 350 with TBI in my 87 4x4 Blazer with 4spd 700R4, it was OK, kinda agricultural but solid and you can get parts at the 7-11. When that started burning oil I had an old guy (in his 80s now, complaining but still doing engine work, built AJFoyt's first race engine back when) build me up a 350 -- he put on Vortec heads (they flow better, aluminum) and an Edelbrock intake, ZZ4 cam and some other stuff, but we used the TBI on it. It never did run right -- I think the cam/heads are not well matched to what the old TBI computer can do. I found a laptop program and made up a cable to watch the computer, it looked like everything was fine but it runs rich. Wouldn't pass emissions (at the legit places) so I sorta retired it. I still have that truck, been trying to sell it but body is rusted and no one will pay for the engine/drivetrain which is quite solid, so I might strip it down, keep the good bits, and scrap the rest. It would run well with a 4bbl or a newer FI set up, but the 4bbl won't pass inspection and a new FI is pricey. Before I had him do mine, I drove a truck he had just built/put a 350 in, that thing about scared the scheiss out of me. I punched it going about 60, tranny downshifted and the rear tires screeched and let go, I backed off then and said good enough for me. I have my dad's 96 Chevy truck now, with the 305. He got the smaller engine when he bought it thinking it would be easier on gas, but there is really no difference between it, my old Blazer, and the 2000 Burb with the 5.3. The 305 is same as 350 with just different stroke I think. --R - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CHevy 305/350 WAS- High mileage badges
He'll change his mind when he prices the parts. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 2/12/08 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] CHevy 305/350 WAS- High mileage badges I have a picture of one (911 with a small block), but not sure I can post here. A friend is thinking about a small block in his 928, but I think a lot easier to just rebuild what the car came with. Ed 300E On 12/02/2008, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 12, 2008 8:00 AM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I saw a guy here at a car show a few years ago who had made a kit for putting a 350 in a 911, it was actually a nice clean installation and he said the thing went like a BOH. Somebody used to advertise those kind of kits in the back pages of Car Driver... I remember because they called it a Porchev. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1272 - Release Date: 2/11/2008 5:28 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CHevy 305/350 WAS- High mileage badges
I have a picture of one (911 with a small block), but not sure I can post here. A friend is thinking about a small block in his 928, but I think a lot easier to just rebuild what the car came with. Ed 300E On 12/02/2008, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 12, 2008 8:00 AM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I saw a guy here at a car show a few years ago who had made a kit for putting a 350 in a 911, it was actually a nice clean installation and he said the thing went like a BOH. Somebody used to advertise those kind of kits in the back pages of Car Driver... I remember because they called it a Porchev. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CHevy 305/350 WAS- High mileage badges
On Feb 12, 2008 8:00 AM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I saw a guy here at a car show a few years ago who had made a kit for putting a 350 in a 911, it was actually a nice clean installation and he said the thing went like a BOH. Somebody used to advertise those kind of kits in the back pages of Car Driver... I remember because they called it a Porchev. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CHevy 305/350 WAS- High mileage badges
Running rich is a FI problem. Does that year use a MAP sensor and a oxygen sensor? Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 2/12/08 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] CHevy 305/350 WAS- High mileage badges I had a 350 with TBI in my 87 4x4 Blazer with 4spd 700R4, it was OK, kinda agricultural but solid and you can get parts at the 7-11. When that started burning oil I had an old guy (in his 80s now, complaining but still doing engine work, built AJFoyt's first race engine back when) build me up a 350 -- he put on Vortec heads (they flow better, aluminum) and an Edelbrock intake, ZZ4 cam and some other stuff, but we used the TBI on it. It never did run right -- I think the cam/heads are not well matched to what the old TBI computer can do. I found a laptop program and made up a cable to watch the computer, it looked like everything was fine but it runs rich. Wouldn't pass emissions (at the legit places) so I sorta retired it. I still have that truck, been trying to sell it but body is rusted and no one will pay for the engine/drivetrain which is quite solid, so I might strip it down, keep the good bits, and scrap the rest. It would run well with a 4bbl or a newer FI set up, but the 4bbl won't pass inspection and a new FI is pricey. Before I had him do mine, I drove a truck he had just built/put a 350 in, that thing about scared the scheiss out of me. I punched it going about 60, tranny downshifted and the rear tires screeched and let go, I backed off then and said good enough for me. I have my dad's 96 Chevy truck now, with the 305. He got the smaller engine when he bought it thinking it would be easier on gas, but there is really no difference between it, my old Blazer, and the 2000 Burb with the 5.3. The 305 is same as 350 with just different stroke I think. --R Donald Snook wrote: Alex C. wrote: So if the old small-block was so good, how come they dumped it and moved to the Vortec engine family for the trucks? Fuel economy and/or emissions concerns, or something else? The old small block was a workhorse, but the newer balanced engines were for superior for fuel injection, the use of and harmonic balancing. The newer engines also developed more power with better fuel economy. Now, the 350 that was fuel injected in 87 is an awesome engine. But, 1988 represented a watershed year for GM becuasue of the development of the newer engines. Until the design of the 3800 V6, the 307 (Y code) engine and the 305 (made by chevy) was, in my opinion the best engines GM made UNTIL the design of the 3800 V6. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1272 - Release Date: 2/11/2008 5:28 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CHevy 305/350 WAS- High mileage badges
I had a 350 with TBI in my 87 4x4 Blazer with 4spd 700R4, it was OK, kinda agricultural but solid and you can get parts at the 7-11. When that started burning oil I had an old guy (in his 80s now, complaining but still doing engine work, built AJFoyt's first race engine back when) build me up a 350 -- he put on Vortec heads (they flow better, aluminum) and an Edelbrock intake, ZZ4 cam and some other stuff, but we used the TBI on it. It never did run right -- I think the cam/heads are not well matched to what the old TBI computer can do. I found a laptop program and made up a cable to watch the computer, it looked like everything was fine but it runs rich. Wouldn't pass emissions (at the legit places) so I sorta retired it. I still have that truck, been trying to sell it but body is rusted and no one will pay for the engine/drivetrain which is quite solid, so I might strip it down, keep the good bits, and scrap the rest. It would run well with a 4bbl or a newer FI set up, but the 4bbl won't pass inspection and a new FI is pricey. Before I had him do mine, I drove a truck he had just built/put a 350 in, that thing about scared the scheiss out of me. I punched it going about 60, tranny downshifted and the rear tires screeched and let go, I backed off then and said good enough for me. I have my dad's 96 Chevy truck now, with the 305. He got the smaller engine when he bought it thinking it would be easier on gas, but there is really no difference between it, my old Blazer, and the 2000 Burb with the 5.3. The 305 is same as 350 with just different stroke I think. --R Donald Snook wrote: Alex C. wrote: So if the old small-block was so good, how come they dumped it and moved to the Vortec engine family for the trucks? Fuel economy and/or emissions concerns, or something else? The old small block was a workhorse, but the newer balanced engines were for superior for fuel injection, the use of and harmonic balancing. The newer engines also developed more power with better fuel economy. Now, the 350 that was fuel injected in 87 is an awesome engine. But, 1988 represented a watershed year for GM becuasue of the development of the newer engines. Until the design of the 3800 V6, the 307 (Y code) engine and the 305 (made by chevy) was, in my opinion the best engines GM made UNTIL the design of the 3800 V6. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CHevy 305/350 WAS- High mileage badges
It has MAP and O2 sensors, I twiddled a bit with the MAP but I think you are correct that it is a vac problem. The computer data showed everybody happy though, even the O2 was saying it was in normal bounds which I thought a bit odd. Truman did have some guy who did FI work take a look at it, but he wanted a lot to try to do something with it, so I let it go. I don't know, the truck is too rusty to make it worth fooling with I think, so scavenging the good stuff and junking the rest, and wait for some later inspiration on the good stuff is probably reasonable. If I ever redo it I might look for a used system, or Holley had a TBI set up for either $400 or $600 back when I looked at it, that I think you could monkey with the computer some. There are a lot of old trucks with good (i.e., not rusty) bodies but shot engines around here, so that might be a fun project. Or putting the lump in an old Benz...I saw a guy here at a car show a few years ago who had made a kit for putting a 350 in a 911, it was actually a nice clean installation and he said the thing went like a BOH. --R Mitch Haley wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: TBI on it. It never did run right -- I think the cam/heads are not well matched to what the old TBI computer can do. Your fuel map will be way off (too much fuel) if your cam makes less vacuum, and way off (too little fuel) if your heads flow a lot better. If you had a newer system with a mass airflow sensor it could compensate. I'm sure there's a lot of 15-20 year old cars in scrapyards with fuel systems that would do quite well on that old engine. Maybe a LT1 Caprice? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CHevy 305/350 WAS- High mileage badges
Alex C. wrote: So if the old small-block was so good, how come they dumped it and moved to the Vortec engine family for the trucks? Fuel economy and/or emissions concerns, or something else? The old small block was a workhorse, but the newer balanced engines were for superior for fuel injection, the use of and harmonic balancing. The newer engines also developed more power with better fuel economy. Now, the 350 that was fuel injected in 87 is an awesome engine. But, 1988 represented a watershed year for GM becuasue of the development of the newer engines. Until the design of the 3800 V6, the 307 (Y code) engine and the 305 (made by chevy) was, in my opinion the best engines GM made UNTIL the design of the 3800 V6. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CHevy 305/350 WAS- High mileage badges
Rich Thomas wrote: TBI on it. It never did run right -- I think the cam/heads are not well matched to what the old TBI computer can do. Your fuel map will be way off (too much fuel) if your cam makes less vacuum, and way off (too little fuel) if your heads flow a lot better. If you had a newer system with a mass airflow sensor it could compensate. I'm sure there's a lot of 15-20 year old cars in scrapyards with fuel systems that would do quite well on that old engine. Maybe a LT1 Caprice? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CHevy 305/350 WAS- High mileage badges
Hey Ed, agree completely -- We had a 78 Malibu with the 305 engine and that engine was flawless. The car went thru transmissions like they were MMs but the engine was perfect. Often I wish I'd been able to keep the engine when we donated the car to the Kidney Fdn - w/bad tranny of course. Would have loved to put that engine in a Cobra replica - But the engine started perfectly,cruised at 80 day long - though not with the chassis/suspension sweetness a MB has - and was easy to maintain. Even though it was a gas engine it didn;t need all that much. Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] High mileage badges [was Re: It's a plot] I was chatting with a taxi driver a few years back when most were using Chev Caprice models. They would usually have either a 305 or a 350. I asked how many miles they typically get out of a car, and he said they tend to drive them to about 750,000 kms, with very little if any work, other than just routines service, and lots of brake and tire changes. I just love my old merc and 911's, but I don't think they've ever built a better engine than the small block chev V8. It's simple, light, gobs of torque and power, and they last forever. I still miss fiddling with my old 350, not that it every needed much of anything. Ed 300E On 11/02/2008, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now come on. Picking on a pickup truck is like picking on apple pie etc. It is the north American vehicle of choice. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 4:44 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] High mileage badges [was Re: It's a plot] Good for him. Wonder how many of those miles he actually needed a full sized pickup?? And how many miles were simply wasting fuel, taking up excessive space in the road, and spewing high emissions. Brian On Feb 9, 2008 9:39 AM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of high mileage, I heard a story on NPR last night about a guy driving his '91 Chevy Silverado to 1,000,000 miles - complete with a GM video crew at hand as the odo changed over. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CHevy 305/350 WAS- High mileage badges
My old VW bug (no longer have it) used 2.5 quarts, filter did not matter because it did not have one ...But the air cleaned was oil bath, think it used about third of a quart can't quite remember .. George Larribeau Dallas Texas - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] CHevy 305/350 WAS- High mileage badges I still own a 1977 Vette with a 350. The oil capacity is 4 quarts with a filter change. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 2/11/08 4:18 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] CHevy 305/350 WAS- High mileage badges What was amazing was how little oil an oil change took with my old 350. Geez, I swear it took just enough to fill the filter, and an extra quart or two, and not much more. lol When I did my first oil change on an old air cooled 911, I was convinced, after pouring the 10th litre in, I had made a mistake and was pouring the oil in the gas tank rather than the oil tank. lol Ed 300E On 11/02/2008, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My 86 Suburban was like that too. At 183K miles the 350 Small block motor was fine. I changed the valve seals at about 115K miles and that helped a lot. It ran stronger and used less fuel after the new seals were installed. Apart from that, the motor only got accessory things like a starter and an alternator and a recored radiator. Nothing internal and I didn't run Mobil 1 either. I don't know much about its early life as it had over 100K miles when I got it in July 1991. It hauled that boat of a Suburban body around without complaining and didn't even do too bad on fuel by today's standards. It was the last year with a 4 BBL carb instead of the throttle body injection setup. The 700R4 transmission, on the other hand was not good. The interior was not bad either. I had the bottom part of the front bench seat repadded when the foam got too soft and I felt like I was leaning toward the door. The cloth on the seats was fine. I had the body fixed and painted once. It came from Texas and being red over tan, was a bit faded. By 2000 rust was starting on the door bottoms but the rest of the body was still pretty good. I still sort of miss it. I sold it to a fellow who planned to fix it up for the long haul. I should check to see if he still has it. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 2:46 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] CHevy 305/350 WAS- High mileage badges Hey Ed, agree completely -- We had a 78 Malibu with the 305 engine and that engine was flawless. The car went thru transmissions like they were MMs but the engine was perfect. Often I wish I'd been able to keep the engine when we donated the car to the Kidney Fdn - w/bad tranny of course. Would have loved to put that engine in a Cobra replica - But the engine started perfectly,cruised at 80 day long - though not with the chassis/suspension sweetness a MB has - and was easy to maintain. Even though it was a gas engine it didn;t need all that much. Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] High mileage badges [was Re: It's a plot] I was chatting with a taxi driver a few years back when most were using Chev Caprice models. They would usually have either a 305 or a 350. I asked how many miles they typically get out of a car, and he said they tend to drive them to about 750,000 kms, with very little if any work, other than just routines service, and lots of brake and tire changes. I just love my old merc and 911's, but I don't think they've ever built a better engine than the small block chev V8. It's simple, light, gobs of torque and power, and they last forever. I still miss fiddling with my old 350, not that it every needed much of anything. Ed 300E On 11/02/2008, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now come on. Picking on a pickup truck is like picking on apple pie etc. It is the north American vehicle of choice. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 4:44 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] High mileage badges [was Re: It's a plot] Good for him. Wonder how many of those miles he actually needed a full sized pickup?? And how many miles were simply wasting
Re: [MBZ] CHevy 305/350 WAS- High mileage badges
I still own a 1977 Vette with a 350. The oil capacity is 4 quarts with a filter change. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 2/11/08 4:18 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] CHevy 305/350 WAS- High mileage badges What was amazing was how little oil an oil change took with my old 350. Geez, I swear it took just enough to fill the filter, and an extra quart or two, and not much more. lol When I did my first oil change on an old air cooled 911, I was convinced, after pouring the 10th litre in, I had made a mistake and was pouring the oil in the gas tank rather than the oil tank. lol Ed 300E On 11/02/2008, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My 86 Suburban was like that too. At 183K miles the 350 Small block motor was fine. I changed the valve seals at about 115K miles and that helped a lot. It ran stronger and used less fuel after the new seals were installed. Apart from that, the motor only got accessory things like a starter and an alternator and a recored radiator. Nothing internal and I didn't run Mobil 1 either. I don't know much about its early life as it had over 100K miles when I got it in July 1991. It hauled that boat of a Suburban body around without complaining and didn't even do too bad on fuel by today's standards. It was the last year with a 4 BBL carb instead of the throttle body injection setup. The 700R4 transmission, on the other hand was not good. The interior was not bad either. I had the bottom part of the front bench seat repadded when the foam got too soft and I felt like I was leaning toward the door. The cloth on the seats was fine. I had the body fixed and painted once. It came from Texas and being red over tan, was a bit faded. By 2000 rust was starting on the door bottoms but the rest of the body was still pretty good. I still sort of miss it. I sold it to a fellow who planned to fix it up for the long haul. I should check to see if he still has it. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 2:46 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] CHevy 305/350 WAS- High mileage badges Hey Ed, agree completely -- We had a 78 Malibu with the 305 engine and that engine was flawless. The car went thru transmissions like they were MMs but the engine was perfect. Often I wish I'd been able to keep the engine when we donated the car to the Kidney Fdn - w/bad tranny of course. Would have loved to put that engine in a Cobra replica - But the engine started perfectly,cruised at 80 day long - though not with the chassis/suspension sweetness a MB has - and was easy to maintain. Even though it was a gas engine it didn;t need all that much. Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] High mileage badges [was Re: It's a plot] I was chatting with a taxi driver a few years back when most were using Chev Caprice models. They would usually have either a 305 or a 350. I asked how many miles they typically get out of a car, and he said they tend to drive them to about 750,000 kms, with very little if any work, other than just routines service, and lots of brake and tire changes. I just love my old merc and 911's, but I don't think they've ever built a better engine than the small block chev V8. It's simple, light, gobs of torque and power, and they last forever. I still miss fiddling with my old 350, not that it every needed much of anything. Ed 300E On 11/02/2008, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now come on. Picking on a pickup truck is like picking on apple pie etc. It is the north American vehicle of choice. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 4:44 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] High mileage badges [was Re: It's a plot] Good for him. Wonder how many of those miles he actually needed a full sized pickup?? And how many miles were simply wasting fuel, taking up excessive space in the road, and spewing high emissions. Brian On Feb 9, 2008 9:39 AM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of high mileage, I heard a story on NPR last night about a guy driving his '91 Chevy Silverado to 1,000,000 miles - complete with a GM video crew at hand as the odo changed over. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics
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What was amazing was how little oil an oil change took with my old 350. Geez, I swear it took just enough to fill the filter, and an extra quart or two, and not much more. lol When I did my first oil change on an old air cooled 911, I was convinced, after pouring the 10th litre in, I had made a mistake and was pouring the oil in the gas tank rather than the oil tank. lol Ed 300E On 11/02/2008, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My 86 Suburban was like that too. At 183K miles the 350 Small block motor was fine. I changed the valve seals at about 115K miles and that helped a lot. It ran stronger and used less fuel after the new seals were installed. Apart from that, the motor only got accessory things like a starter and an alternator and a recored radiator. Nothing internal and I didn't run Mobil 1 either. I don't know much about its early life as it had over 100K miles when I got it in July 1991. It hauled that boat of a Suburban body around without complaining and didn't even do too bad on fuel by today's standards. It was the last year with a 4 BBL carb instead of the throttle body injection setup. The 700R4 transmission, on the other hand was not good. The interior was not bad either. I had the bottom part of the front bench seat repadded when the foam got too soft and I felt like I was leaning toward the door. The cloth on the seats was fine. I had the body fixed and painted once. It came from Texas and being red over tan, was a bit faded. By 2000 rust was starting on the door bottoms but the rest of the body was still pretty good. I still sort of miss it. I sold it to a fellow who planned to fix it up for the long haul. I should check to see if he still has it. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 2:46 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] CHevy 305/350 WAS- High mileage badges Hey Ed, agree completely -- We had a 78 Malibu with the 305 engine and that engine was flawless. The car went thru transmissions like they were MMs but the engine was perfect. Often I wish I'd been able to keep the engine when we donated the car to the Kidney Fdn - w/bad tranny of course. Would have loved to put that engine in a Cobra replica - But the engine started perfectly,cruised at 80 day long - though not with the chassis/suspension sweetness a MB has - and was easy to maintain. Even though it was a gas engine it didn;t need all that much. Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] High mileage badges [was Re: It's a plot] I was chatting with a taxi driver a few years back when most were using Chev Caprice models. They would usually have either a 305 or a 350. I asked how many miles they typically get out of a car, and he said they tend to drive them to about 750,000 kms, with very little if any work, other than just routines service, and lots of brake and tire changes. I just love my old merc and 911's, but I don't think they've ever built a better engine than the small block chev V8. It's simple, light, gobs of torque and power, and they last forever. I still miss fiddling with my old 350, not that it every needed much of anything. Ed 300E On 11/02/2008, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now come on. Picking on a pickup truck is like picking on apple pie etc. It is the north American vehicle of choice. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 4:44 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] High mileage badges [was Re: It's a plot] Good for him. Wonder how many of those miles he actually needed a full sized pickup?? And how many miles were simply wasting fuel, taking up excessive space in the road, and spewing high emissions. Brian On Feb 9, 2008 9:39 AM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of high mileage, I heard a story on NPR last night about a guy driving his '91 Chevy Silverado to 1,000,000 miles - complete with a GM video crew at hand as the odo changed over. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe
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Larry, I had the very same though at the time I parted with mine, would make a perfect donor engine for a kit or project car. Our shared thoughts and interests are getting to be a little scary! lol. On the count of three, name your favorite Ferrari...1-2-3..go... hee hee Ed 300E On 11/02/2008, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Ed, agree completely -- We had a 78 Malibu with the 305 engine and that engine was flawless. The car went thru transmissions like they were MMs but the engine was perfect. Often I wish I'd been able to keep the engine when we donated the car to the Kidney Fdn - w/bad tranny of course. Would have loved to put that engine in a Cobra replica - But the engine started perfectly,cruised at 80 day long - though not with the chassis/suspension sweetness a MB has - and was easy to maintain. Even though it was a gas engine it didn;t need all that much. Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] High mileage badges [was Re: It's a plot] I was chatting with a taxi driver a few years back when most were using Chev Caprice models. They would usually have either a 305 or a 350. I asked how many miles they typically get out of a car, and he said they tend to drive them to about 750,000 kms, with very little if any work, other than just routines service, and lots of brake and tire changes. I just love my old merc and 911's, but I don't think they've ever built a better engine than the small block chev V8. It's simple, light, gobs of torque and power, and they last forever. I still miss fiddling with my old 350, not that it every needed much of anything. Ed 300E On 11/02/2008, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now come on. Picking on a pickup truck is like picking on apple pie etc. It is the north American vehicle of choice. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 4:44 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] High mileage badges [was Re: It's a plot] Good for him. Wonder how many of those miles he actually needed a full sized pickup?? And how many miles were simply wasting fuel, taking up excessive space in the road, and spewing high emissions. Brian On Feb 9, 2008 9:39 AM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of high mileage, I heard a story on NPR last night about a guy driving his '91 Chevy Silverado to 1,000,000 miles - complete with a GM video crew at hand as the odo changed over. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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So if the old small-block was so good, how come they dumped it and moved to the Vortec engine family for the trucks? Fuel economy and/or emissions concerns, or something else? (Asking because I'm looking at the Tahoe/Yukon but don't know anything about the new engines reliability- or design-wise.) Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My 86 Suburban was like that too. At 183K miles the 350 Small block motor was fine. I changed the valve seals at about 115K miles and that helped a lot. It ran stronger and used less fuel after the new seals were installed. Apart from that, the motor only got accessory things like a starter and an alternator and a recored radiator. Nothing internal and I didn't run Mobil 1 either. I don't know much about its early life as it had over 100K miles when I got it in July 1991. It hauled that boat of a Suburban body around without complaining and didn't even do too bad on fuel by today's standards. It was the last year with a 4 BBL carb instead of the throttle body injection setup. The 700R4 transmission, on the other hand was not good. The interior was not bad either. I had the bottom part of the front bench seat repadded when the foam got too soft and I felt like I was leaning toward the door. The cloth on the seats was fine. I had the body fixed and painted once. It came from Texas and being red over tan, was a bit faded. By 2000 rust was starting on the door bottoms but the rest of the body was still pretty good. I still sort of miss it. I sold it to a fellow who planned to fix it up for the long haul. I should check to see if he still has it. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 2:46 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] CHevy 305/350 WAS- High mileage badges Hey Ed, agree completely -- We had a 78 Malibu with the 305 engine and that engine was flawless. The car went thru transmissions like they were MMs but the engine was perfect. Often I wish I'd been able to keep the engine when we donated the car to the Kidney Fdn - w/bad tranny of course. Would have loved to put that engine in a Cobra replica - But the engine started perfectly,cruised at 80 day long - though not with the chassis/suspension sweetness a MB has - and was easy to maintain. Even though it was a gas engine it didn;t need all that much. Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] High mileage badges [was Re: It's a plot] I was chatting with a taxi driver a few years back when most were using Chev Caprice models. They would usually have either a 305 or a 350. I asked how many miles they typically get out of a car, and he said they tend to drive them to about 750,000 kms, with very little if any work, other than just routines service, and lots of brake and tire changes. I just love my old merc and 911's, but I don't think they've ever built a better engine than the small block chev V8. It's simple, light, gobs of torque and power, and they last forever. I still miss fiddling with my old 350, not that it every needed much of anything. Ed 300E On 11/02/2008, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now come on. Picking on a pickup truck is like picking on apple pie etc. It is the north American vehicle of choice. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 4:44 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] High mileage badges [was Re: It's a plot] Good for him. Wonder how many of those miles he actually needed a full sized pickup?? And how many miles were simply wasting fuel, taking up excessive space in the road, and spewing high emissions. Brian On Feb 9, 2008 9:39 AM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of high mileage, I heard a story on NPR last night about a guy driving his '91 Chevy Silverado to 1,000,000 miles - complete with a GM video crew at hand as the odo changed over. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL
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On Feb 11, 2008 3:45 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Ed, agree completely -- We had a 78 Malibu with the 305 engine and that engine was flawless. Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) - Original Message - From: E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] High mileage badges [was Re: It's a plot] I was chatting with a taxi driver a few years back when most were using Chev Caprice models. They would usually have either a 305 or a 350. I asked Ed 300E I used to own a 1991 Chevrolet Caprice 9C1 Police Interceptor with the TBI 350. Car had almost 200,000 miles on the odometer when the water pump blew and sprayed coolant *everywhere*, like a water balloon burst. Well, overheated the engine and warped a head. Had a new pump put on and drove it another month or two with it ticking before trading it off on a Korean import. Wish I hadn't done that. I miss that car. Get this, the dealer that took it in from me gave me a good price for it, because they had some kind of buying overseas that picked these huge ex-cop cars up and refurbished them for wealthy people or something. At least that's the story I was given when I asked what would happen to her. *sighs* I could drive that car, and I kid you not, with my left leg out the window *on* the rearview mirror. Not completely intelligent mind you, but she was *that* big. I also know the car could do 100mph with out batting an eyelash and feel like she was still at 60. But we won't talk about that. EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CHevy 305/350 WAS- High mileage badges
Yeah, I remember the days when one jug and a filter, and I'd be on my way. Now I lug oil home by the case. lol Ed 300E On 11/02/2008, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still own a 1977 Vette with a 350. The oil capacity is 4 quarts with a filter change. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 2/11/08 4:18 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] CHevy 305/350 WAS- High mileage badges What was amazing was how little oil an oil change took with my old 350. Geez, I swear it took just enough to fill the filter, and an extra quart or two, and not much more. lol When I did my first oil change on an old air cooled 911, I was convinced, after pouring the 10th litre in, I had made a mistake and was pouring the oil in the gas tank rather than the oil tank. lol Ed 300E On 11/02/2008, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My 86 Suburban was like that too. At 183K miles the 350 Small block motor was fine. I changed the valve seals at about 115K miles and that helped a lot. It ran stronger and used less fuel after the new seals were installed. Apart from that, the motor only got accessory things like a starter and an alternator and a recored radiator. Nothing internal and I didn't run Mobil 1 either. I don't know much about its early life as it had over 100K miles when I got it in July 1991. It hauled that boat of a Suburban body around without complaining and didn't even do too bad on fuel by today's standards. It was the last year with a 4 BBL carb instead of the throttle body injection setup. The 700R4 transmission, on the other hand was not good. The interior was not bad either. I had the bottom part of the front bench seat repadded when the foam got too soft and I felt like I was leaning toward the door. The cloth on the seats was fine. I had the body fixed and painted once. It came from Texas and being red over tan, was a bit faded. By 2000 rust was starting on the door bottoms but the rest of the body was still pretty good. I still sort of miss it. I sold it to a fellow who planned to fix it up for the long haul. I should check to see if he still has it. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 2:46 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] CHevy 305/350 WAS- High mileage badges Hey Ed, agree completely -- We had a 78 Malibu with the 305 engine and that engine was flawless. The car went thru transmissions like they were MMs but the engine was perfect. Often I wish I'd been able to keep the engine when we donated the car to the Kidney Fdn - w/bad tranny of course. Would have loved to put that engine in a Cobra replica - But the engine started perfectly,cruised at 80 day long - though not with the chassis/suspension sweetness a MB has - and was easy to maintain. Even though it was a gas engine it didn;t need all that much. Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] High mileage badges [was Re: It's a plot] I was chatting with a taxi driver a few years back when most were using Chev Caprice models. They would usually have either a 305 or a 350. I asked how many miles they typically get out of a car, and he said they tend to drive them to about 750,000 kms, with very little if any work, other than just routines service, and lots of brake and tire changes. I just love my old merc and 911's, but I don't think they've ever built a better engine than the small block chev V8. It's simple, light, gobs of torque and power, and they last forever. I still miss fiddling with my old 350, not that it every needed much of anything. Ed 300E On 11/02/2008, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now come on. Picking on a pickup truck is like picking on apple pie etc. It is the north American vehicle of choice. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 4:44 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] High mileage badges [was Re: It's a plot] Good for him. Wonder how many of those miles he actually needed a full sized pickup?? And how many miles were simply wasting fuel, taking up excessive space in the road, and spewing high emissions. Brian On Feb 9, 2008 9:39 AM, OK Don [EMAIL
Re: [MBZ] CHevy 305/350 WAS- High mileage badges
Alex, I'm not up on the latest offering from GM, but I'm pretty sure much of the old V8 still lives on in models available today. As with all engines, things are refined over the years, giving better mileage and emissions. Some of the current V8s give great fuel mileage given the performance. Fuel delivery systems have been updated over the years, a lot of what made the V8 great is still there. I think Vortec engines, or the introduction of the name was to help more easily identify the size of the engine in metric. Eg, A Vortec 5700 is 5.7 litres, so it made doing the math by looking at the engine name easy. I think the base corvette, (not chevette, hee hee) still uses the pushrod engine. Not sure about the current gen of ZR1. Whatever GM call it, I'd feel pretty confident buying a GM V8. Fuel economy may not be that great, but you have to take into consideration what your bolting it into and the weight you're asking it to pull. My old 350 with a mild cam and small carb gave great torque and amazing fuel economy, but it might have been a little thirstier had it been bolted into something like a 600SWB. hee hee. Ed 300E On 11/02/2008, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if the old small-block was so good, how come they dumped it and moved to the Vortec engine family for the trucks? Fuel economy and/or emissions concerns, or something else? (Asking because I'm looking at the Tahoe/Yukon but don't know anything about the new engines reliability- or design-wise.) Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CHevy 305/350 WAS- High mileage badges
Car manufacturers have used sealants in new car cooling systems for years. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 2/11/08 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] CHevy 305/350 WAS- High mileage badges I'd stay away from that sealant stuff, and just change the core. That sealant stuff can plug holes, and everything else too. I always worry about that kind of stuff being in all the coolant passageways. I changed a heater core once that let go right at the joint where the hole connects. The connection was plastic, so when it let go, it did so in a BIG way! I made sure the replacement core was all metal. I wasn't far from home but still managed to go through 30 litres of mineral water I had to pick up at a store on the way back. So, 30 litres of water in less than 4 kms is a pretty good leak. hee hee. Ed 300E On 11/02/2008, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah they can say what they will about the American V8 but the 318 in my Dakota has been rock solid. 211,000 miles and just as powerful and easy to start as ever. I had to do a waterpump and an oil pressure sensor. A couple serpentine belts too, and a radiator. Right now it needs a heater core. I'm wondering if I can limp it for another month or two and try some sealant. I've had VERY bad luck with sealant sticking thermostats but this is a very small leak. Just enough to make it smell. -Curt Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:06:00 -0600 From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] CHevy 305/350 WAS- High mileage badges To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 My 86 Suburban was like that too. At 183K miles the 350 Small block motor was fine. I changed the valve seals at about 115K miles and that helped a lot. It ran stronger and used less fuel after the new seals were installed. Apart from that, the motor only got accessory things like a starter and an alternator and a recored radiator. Nothing internal and I didn't run Mobil 1 either. I don't know much about its early life as it had over 100K miles when I got it in July 1991. It hauled that boat of a Suburban body around without complaining and didn't even do too bad on fuel by today's standards. It was the last year with a 4 BBL carb instead of the throttle body injection setup. The 700R4 transmission, on the other hand was not good. The interior was not bad either. I had the bottom part of the front bench seat repadded when the foam got too soft and I felt like I was leaning toward the door. The cloth on the seats was fine. I had the body fixed and painted once. It came from Texas and being red over tan, was a bit faded. By 2000 rust was starting on the door bottoms but the rest of the body was still pretty good. I still sort of miss it. I sold it to a fellow who planned to fix it up for the long haul. I should check to see if he still has it. Randy - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1270 - Release Date: 2/10/2008 12:21 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CHevy 305/350 WAS- High mileage badges
I'd stay away from that sealant stuff, and just change the core. That sealant stuff can plug holes, and everything else too. I always worry about that kind of stuff being in all the coolant passageways. I changed a heater core once that let go right at the joint where the hole connects. The connection was plastic, so when it let go, it did so in a BIG way! I made sure the replacement core was all metal. I wasn't far from home but still managed to go through 30 litres of mineral water I had to pick up at a store on the way back. So, 30 litres of water in less than 4 kms is a pretty good leak. hee hee. Ed 300E On 11/02/2008, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah they can say what they will about the American V8 but the 318 in my Dakota has been rock solid. 211,000 miles and just as powerful and easy to start as ever. I had to do a waterpump and an oil pressure sensor. A couple serpentine belts too, and a radiator. Right now it needs a heater core. I'm wondering if I can limp it for another month or two and try some sealant. I've had VERY bad luck with sealant sticking thermostats but this is a very small leak. Just enough to make it smell. -Curt Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:06:00 -0600 From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] CHevy 305/350 WAS- High mileage badges To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 My 86 Suburban was like that too. At 183K miles the 350 Small block motor was fine. I changed the valve seals at about 115K miles and that helped a lot. It ran stronger and used less fuel after the new seals were installed. Apart from that, the motor only got accessory things like a starter and an alternator and a recored radiator. Nothing internal and I didn't run Mobil 1 either. I don't know much about its early life as it had over 100K miles when I got it in July 1991. It hauled that boat of a Suburban body around without complaining and didn't even do too bad on fuel by today's standards. It was the last year with a 4 BBL carb instead of the throttle body injection setup. The 700R4 transmission, on the other hand was not good. The interior was not bad either. I had the bottom part of the front bench seat repadded when the foam got too soft and I felt like I was leaning toward the door. The cloth on the seats was fine. I had the body fixed and painted once. It came from Texas and being red over tan, was a bit faded. By 2000 rust was starting on the door bottoms but the rest of the body was still pretty good. I still sort of miss it. I sold it to a fellow who planned to fix it up for the long haul. I should check to see if he still has it. Randy - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CHevy 305/350 WAS- High mileage badges
As far as I know, the 5.7 vortec is the same old 350 with different fuel injection etc. Alex Chamberlain wrote: So if the old small-block was so good, how come they dumped it and moved to the Vortec engine family for the trucks? Fuel economy and/or emissions concerns, or something else? (Asking because I'm looking at the Tahoe/Yukon but don't know anything about the new engines reliability- or design-wise.) Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CHevy 305/350 WAS- High mileage badges
Yeah they can say what they will about the American V8 but the 318 in my Dakota has been rock solid. 211,000 miles and just as powerful and easy to start as ever. I had to do a waterpump and an oil pressure sensor. A couple serpentine belts too, and a radiator. Right now it needs a heater core. I'm wondering if I can limp it for another month or two and try some sealant. I've had VERY bad luck with sealant sticking thermostats but this is a very small leak. Just enough to make it smell. -Curt Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:06:00 -0600 From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] CHevy 305/350 WAS- High mileage badges To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 My 86 Suburban was like that too. At 183K miles the 350 Small block motor was fine. I changed the valve seals at about 115K miles and that helped a lot. It ran stronger and used less fuel after the new seals were installed. Apart from that, the motor only got accessory things like a starter and an alternator and a recored radiator. Nothing internal and I didn't run Mobil 1 either. I don't know much about its early life as it had over 100K miles when I got it in July 1991. It hauled that boat of a Suburban body around without complaining and didn't even do too bad on fuel by today's standards. It was the last year with a 4 BBL carb instead of the throttle body injection setup. The 700R4 transmission, on the other hand was not good. The interior was not bad either. I had the bottom part of the front bench seat repadded when the foam got too soft and I felt like I was leaning toward the door. The cloth on the seats was fine. I had the body fixed and painted once. It came from Texas and being red over tan, was a bit faded. By 2000 rust was starting on the door bottoms but the rest of the body was still pretty good. I still sort of miss it. I sold it to a fellow who planned to fix it up for the long haul. I should check to see if he still has it. Randy - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
