Re: [MBZ] Ceramic Brake Pads

2015-08-11 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes

These will work

http://jalopnik.com/watch-what-happens-when-you-use-iphones-as-brake-pads-1723214018

--R

On 8/10/15 10:23 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
It is not the pads that need the breakin.  It is the rotors.  proper 
breakin coats the rotors evenly with the pad material which bonds to 
the rotor.



hink the ceramic pads come already set by a baking process, read 
that over the weekend on one of the makers websites.  Not sure if 
Akebono are same, I don't remember any special process when I 
installed them a few years ago.


Just paid $45, I think OE from MB run about $70 or more.
--
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300


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Re: [MBZ] Ceramic Brake Pads

2015-08-10 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Not a 123, but a 124 and an Infiniti.  Superior in every way.  Just ordered a 
set for my 124 wagon to replace the OEM pads, about $45 for the front set with 
free shipping on Amazon.
-- 
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On August 10, 2015 1:21:11 PM EDT, Jon Agne via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
Anyone using ceramic pads on a W123?

Jon



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Re: [MBZ] Ceramic Brake Pads

2015-08-10 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I did them on a 201, some kind of random brand Rusty sent me. I also put 
Akebonos on my Ranger after everybody told me how great they are.Other than a 
lack of brake dust I never saw anything so terrific about them. They stopped 
good but they didn't seem to last any better than anything else. The last time 
I changed the pads on the 190D I put Pagid which were half the price though 
still twice the price of the squeeky pads Car Quest sold me.
-Curt
  From: Max Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Max Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com 
 Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 3:10 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ceramic Brake Pads
   
Not a 123, but a 124 and an Infiniti.  Superior in every way.  Just ordered a 
set for my 124 wagon to replace the OEM pads, about $45 for the front set with 
free shipping on Amazon.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On August 10, 2015 1:21:11 PM EDT, Jon Agne via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
Anyone using ceramic pads on a W123?

Jon



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Re: [MBZ] Ceramic Brake Pads

2015-08-10 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Apparently it still is to some extent. I'd expect it probably in the cheapest 
pads. I'm surprised it hasn't been banned...
IIRC I've seen the boxes pads come in marked asbestos free.
-Curt
  From: Dimitri via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Dimitri dsereta...@yahoo.com 
 Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 5:20 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ceramic Brake Pads
   
Are the organic pads still using asbestos?!

Sent from my iPhone



 On Aug 10, 2015, at 5:17 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 
 
 
 I did them on a 201, some kind of random brand Rusty sent me. I also put 
 Akebonos on my Ranger after everybody told me how great they are.Other than 
 a lack of brake dust I never saw anything so terrific about them. They 
 stopped good but they didn't seem to last any better than anything else. The 
 last time I changed the pads on the 190D I put Pagid which were half the 
 price though still twice the price of the squeeky pads Car Quest sold me.
 -Curt
      From: Max Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Cc: Max Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com
 Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 3:10 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ceramic Brake Pads
  Not a 123, but a 124 and an Infiniti.  Superior in every way.  Just ordered 
a set for my 124 wagon to replace the OEM pads, about $45 for the front set 
with free shipping on Amazon.
 --
 Max Dillon
 Charleston SC
 '87 300TD
 '95 E300
 
 
 Curt brings up a good point.  The harder the pads (ceramic) the more likely 
 they are to squeal, AND the more they wear your rotors.
 
 I can get 200 to 300k out of rotors with the cheap (dusty) pads.  it is easy 
 to change pads and cheap, it is harder and expensive to change rotors.
 
 Ceramic pads DO have to be broken in properly to work properly and also to 
 not warp your rotors.
 
 The ceramic pads of the dogde and the rotors needed to be changed at a little 
 over 100k.  Mucho dinero$$$
 
 I've never had to buy rotors for my Mercedes with the organic or asbestos 
 pads.
 
 I see no advantage, unless you have a show car and the dust is a significant 
 factor.  I see several DISadvantages to ceramic.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Ceramic Brake Pads

2015-08-10 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

Are the organic pads still using asbestos?!

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Not for 30-40 years.

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Re: [MBZ] Ceramic Brake Pads

2015-08-10 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes




I did them on a 201, some kind of random brand Rusty sent me. I also 
put Akebonos on my Ranger after everybody told me how great they 
are.Other than a lack of brake dust I never saw anything so terrific 
about them. They stopped good but they didn't seem to last any 
better than anything else. The last time I changed the pads on the 
190D I put Pagid which were half the price though still twice the 
price of the squeeky pads Car Quest sold me.

-Curt
  From: Max Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Max Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com
 Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 3:10 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ceramic Brake Pads
  
Not a 123, but a 124 and an Infiniti.  Superior in every way.  Just 
ordered a set for my 124 wagon to replace the OEM pads, about $45 
for the front set with free shipping on Amazon.

--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300



Curt brings up a good point.  The harder the pads (ceramic) the more 
likely they are to squeal, AND the more they wear your rotors.


I can get 200 to 300k out of rotors with the cheap (dusty) pads.  it 
is easy to change pads and cheap, it is harder and expensive to 
change rotors.


Ceramic pads DO have to be broken in properly to work properly and 
also to not warp your rotors.


The ceramic pads of the dogde and the rotors needed to be changed at 
a little over 100k.  Mucho dinero$$$


I've never had to buy rotors for my Mercedes with the organic or 
asbestos pads.


I see no advantage, unless you have a show car and the dust is a 
significant factor.  I see several DISadvantages to ceramic.


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Re: [MBZ] Ceramic Brake Pads

2015-08-10 Thread Dimitri via Mercedes
Are the organic pads still using asbestos?!

Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 10, 2015, at 5:17 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 
 
 
 I did them on a 201, some kind of random brand Rusty sent me. I also put 
 Akebonos on my Ranger after everybody told me how great they are.Other than 
 a lack of brake dust I never saw anything so terrific about them. They 
 stopped good but they didn't seem to last any better than anything else. The 
 last time I changed the pads on the 190D I put Pagid which were half the 
 price though still twice the price of the squeeky pads Car Quest sold me.
 -Curt
  From: Max Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Cc: Max Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com
 Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 3:10 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ceramic Brake Pads
  Not a 123, but a 124 and an Infiniti.  Superior in every way.  Just ordered 
 a set for my 124 wagon to replace the OEM pads, about $45 for the front set 
 with free shipping on Amazon.
 --
 Max Dillon
 Charleston SC
 '87 300TD
 '95 E300
 
 
 Curt brings up a good point.  The harder the pads (ceramic) the more likely 
 they are to squeal, AND the more they wear your rotors.
 
 I can get 200 to 300k out of rotors with the cheap (dusty) pads.  it is easy 
 to change pads and cheap, it is harder and expensive to change rotors.
 
 Ceramic pads DO have to be broken in properly to work properly and also to 
 not warp your rotors.
 
 The ceramic pads of the dogde and the rotors needed to be changed at a little 
 over 100k.  Mucho dinero$$$
 
 I've never had to buy rotors for my Mercedes with the organic or asbestos 
 pads.
 
 I see no advantage, unless you have a show car and the dust is a significant 
 factor.  I see several DISadvantages to ceramic.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Ceramic Brake Pads

2015-08-10 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Correction, the squealing pads were conventional Car Quest red which were 
supposed to be their better pads...I didn't notice any lower rotor life using 
ceramic, here the rotors lots of times rot out from rust put there with road 
salt...
-Curt
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 To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List 
mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 5:17 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ceramic Brake Pads
   





I did them on a 201, some kind of random brand Rusty sent me. I also 
put Akebonos on my Ranger after everybody told me how great they 
are.Other than a lack of brake dust I never saw anything so terrific 
about them. They stopped good but they didn't seem to last any 
better than anything else. The last time I changed the pads on the 
190D I put Pagid which were half the price though still twice the 
price of the squeeky pads Car Quest sold me.
-Curt
      From: Max Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
  To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Max Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com
  Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 3:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ceramic Brake Pads
  
Not a 123, but a 124 and an Infiniti.  Superior in every way.  Just 
ordered a set for my 124 wagon to replace the OEM pads, about $45 
for the front set with free shipping on Amazon.
--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300


Curt brings up a good point.  The harder the pads (ceramic) the more 
likely they are to squeal, AND the more they wear your rotors.

I can get 200 to 300k out of rotors with the cheap (dusty) pads.  it 
is easy to change pads and cheap, it is harder and expensive to 
change rotors.

Ceramic pads DO have to be broken in properly to work properly and 
also to not warp your rotors.

The ceramic pads of the dogde and the rotors needed to be changed at 
a little over 100k.  Mucho dinero$$$

I've never had to buy rotors for my Mercedes with the organic or 
asbestos pads.

I see no advantage, unless you have a show car and the dust is a 
significant factor.  I see several DISadvantages to ceramic.


  
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Re: [MBZ] Ceramic Brake Pads

2015-08-10 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
I think the ceramic pads come already set by a baking process, read that over 
the weekend on one of the makers websites.  Not sure if Akebono are same, I 
don't remember any special process when I installed them a few years ago.

Just paid $45, I think OE from MB run about $70 or more.
-- 
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] Ceramic Brake Pads

2015-08-10 Thread MG via Mercedes

Yep, Akebono on two sedans and a TD. Love them!

Manfred


Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 13:21:11 -0400
From: Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net


Anyone using ceramic pads on a W123?

Jon

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Re: [MBZ] Ceramic Brake Pads

2015-08-10 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
It is not the pads that need the breakin.  It is the rotors.  proper 
breakin coats the rotors evenly with the pad material which bonds to 
the rotor.



hink the ceramic pads come already set by a baking process, read 
that over the weekend on one of the makers websites.  Not sure if 
Akebono are same, I don't remember any special process when I 
installed them a few years ago.


Just paid $45, I think OE from MB run about $70 or more.
--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300


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Re: [MBZ] ceramic Brake pads

2013-09-02 Thread Dieselhead

Wagner top of line



Ceramic pads made by whom?

I put Akebono on the Ranger and they've been great. The Ranger rear 
brakes SUCK, when they're wet they're very grabby so its nice to 
have very good fronts...


Rusty sold me some other brand (Wagner maybe?) for the fronts on my 
190D when Akebonos weren't available. They've been great. Car Quest 
seems to have failed me on the rears. I may grease them again and 
see if it makes a difference, if not I'll be looking for something 
else. They only squeak when they're hot and just before the car 
comes to a stop, like when creeping along in heavy traffic...


-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] ceramic Brake pads

2013-08-31 Thread Curt Raymond
Thanks Rick,

It occurs to me that all the rear brake work on that truck has been done at a 
shop and they've probably put in whatever cheap Chinese thing they would for 
any other schmuck. It'll be good for a couple months and then get grabby. Last 
time the friction material came loose from the shoe. Its way worse when they're 
wet...

-Curt


Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 17:14:37 -0500
From: Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] ceramic Brake pads
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On Aug 30, 2013, at 1:37 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:


 I put Akebono on the Ranger and they've been great. The Ranger rear 
brakes SUCK, when they're wet they're very grabby so its nice to have 
very good fronts...


Curt, 
I put Wearever Gold (Advance 
Auto premium) shoes on my Ranger and they work great. My brakes were 
really grabby (nearly un-drivable in snow) and the problem I discovered 
after I changed the brake shoes was the emergency brake cables were worn
 and rusted and would not fully release. It stops WAY better now. 

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] ceramic Brake pads

2013-08-31 Thread Peter Frederick

Put decent pads on there, usually fixes weird stuff.

Also make sure the axle seals are good -- differential lube on the  
brake pads does all sorts of nasty things.  So does leaking brake fluid.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] ceramic Brake pads

2013-08-31 Thread Hendrik and Fay
I have had ATE ceramics on my TE for a few months now and no dramas, 
except for a bit of squeal when reversing down the drive.
Also getting a bit of slow braking ABS pulsing but not sure if the pads 
are to blame for that.
It's getting close to needing to do a few jobs on the S124, so will 
investigate.


Hendrik
who has cleaner wheels now

On 31/08/13 02:33, Dieselhead wrote:
I got my first set if Akebono ceramic pads from Gary a couple of 
months ago. I have yet to need to clean my wheels, and they stop great.


Wish I had done these a long time ago.


I broke down and decided to try ceramic pads in the van about a year 
and a half ago.  Nothing in the box about a required breakin 
procedure, and long before the breakin procedure discussion started here.


The ceramic pads sometimes work fine and sometimes grab and jerk worse 
than anything.  Brake pressure does not seem to be related. The brakes 
may be fine, or may be jerky on soft, moderate or hard braking.  Very 
disappointing.  Sometimes the jerking is so bad the front tire comes 
off the ground and it feels like something in the front end could break.


Let up and hit the brake again, and it may be smooth, less jerky or bad.

very disappointing performance.  I am not sure if new rotors, and this 
breakin procedure would perform correctly or not.  I don't think that 
if I spent the money for rotors that i'd want to spend the $$$ for 
ceramic pads again.


What I do know is that the cheap pads from flaps are very good for 
normal use.  They are dusty, but no jumping, and no ruining rotors.


I am not impressed so far with ceramic pads.

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Re: [MBZ] ceramic Brake pads

2013-08-30 Thread Curt Raymond
Ceramic pads made by whom?

I put Akebono on the Ranger and they've been great. The Ranger rear brakes 
SUCK, when they're wet they're very grabby so its nice to have very good 
fronts...

Rusty sold me some other brand (Wagner maybe?) for the fronts on my 190D when 
Akebonos weren't available. They've been great. Car Quest seems to have failed 
me on the rears. I may grease them again and see if it makes a difference, if 
not I'll be looking for something else. They only squeak when they're hot and 
just before the car comes to a stop, like when creeping along in heavy 
traffic...


-Curt

Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 12:03:35 -0500
From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] ceramic Brake pads
Message-ID: a06240848ce467c2206df@[192.168.0.22]
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed

I got my first set if Akebono ceramic pads from Gary a couple of 
months ago. I have yet to need to clean my wheels, and they stop 
great.

Wish I had done these a long time ago.

I broke down and decided to try ceramic pads in the van about a year 
and a half ago.  Nothing in the box about a required breakin 
procedure, and long before the breakin procedure discussion started 
here.

The ceramic pads sometimes work fine and sometimes grab and jerk 
worse than anything.  Brake pressure does not seem to be related. 
The brakes may be fine, or may be jerky on soft, moderate or hard 
braking.  Very disappointing.  Sometimes the jerking is so bad the 
front tire comes off the ground and it feels like something in the 
front end could break.

Let up and hit the brake again, and it may be smooth, less jerky or bad.

very disappointing performance.  I am not sure if new rotors, and 
this breakin procedure would perform correctly or not.  I don't think 
that if I spent the money for rotors that i'd want to spend the $$$ 
for ceramic pads again.

What I do know is that the cheap pads from flaps are very good for 
normal use.  They are dusty, but no jumping, and no ruining rotors.

I am not impressed so far with ceramic pads.

-1
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Re: [MBZ] ceramic Brake pads

2013-08-30 Thread Rick Knoble
On Aug 30, 2013, at 1:37 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I put Akebono on the Ranger and they've been great. The Ranger rear brakes 
 SUCK, when they're wet they're very grabby so its nice to have very good 
 fronts...


Curt, 
I put Wearever Gold (Advance Auto premium) shoes on my Ranger and they work 
great. My brakes were really grabby (nearly un-drivable in snow) and the 
problem I discovered after I changed the brake shoes was the emergency brake 
cables were worn and rusted and would not fully release. It stops WAY better 
now. 

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Ceramic Brake Pads

2013-06-25 Thread Fmiser
 Dan wrote:
 
 Going to install my first set of ceramic pads this weekend. I'm
 going to do my due diligence, but I am interested in hearing from
 the list regarding bedding in if necessary and any other things
 related to their use and operation.

As I understand, bedding the pads is necessary with all materials.  

Here is the best article I've found on the chemistry, metallurgy, and physics 
involved.

http://www.stoptech.com/technical-support/technical-white-papers/-warped-brake-disc-and-other-myths

   Regardless of pad composition, if both disc and pad are not
   properly broken in, material transfer between the two materials
   can take place in a random fashion - resulting is uneven
   deposits and vibration under braking.

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Ceramic Brake Pads

2013-06-25 Thread Dan Penoff
Thanks for the link.

I recall reading this guy's write up a few years back when trying to remember 
the proper procedure for bedding pads.

Good stuff.

Dan

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On Jun 25, 2013, at 6:30 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dan wrote:
 
 Going to install my first set of ceramic pads this weekend. I'm
 going to do my due diligence, but I am interested in hearing from
 the list regarding bedding in if necessary and any other things
 related to their use and operation.
 
 As I understand, bedding the pads is necessary with all materials.  
 
 Here is the best article I've found on the chemistry, metallurgy, and physics 
 involved.
 
 http://www.stoptech.com/technical-support/technical-white-papers/-warped-brake-disc-and-other-myths
 
   Regardless of pad composition, if both disc and pad are not
   properly broken in, material transfer between the two materials
   can take place in a random fashion - resulting is uneven
   deposits and vibration under braking.
 
 --   Philip
 
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Re: [MBZ] Ceramic Brake Pads

2013-06-25 Thread Curt Raymond
I don't think its that important, I didn't do it on either my Ranger or 190D 
and both have been just fine.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 17:27:55 -0400
From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com
To: Okie Benz mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] Ceramic Brake Pads
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Going to install my first set of ceramic pads this weekend. I'm going to do my 
due diligence, but I am interested in hearing from the list regarding bedding 
in if necessary and any other things related to their use and operation.

TIA.

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Ceramic Brake Pads

2013-06-25 Thread Fmiser
 Curt wrote:
 
 I don't think its that important, I didn't do it on either my
 Ranger or 190D and both have been just fine.

It is.

You might get lucky - but the only way to be sure to avoid problems
is to bed the pads.

--Philip

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