Re: [MBZ] Diesel smart

2015-08-19 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

On 18/08/2015 7:59 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

I'm pretty sure it wasn't. Why would the sheeple buy the pitiful 40mpg gasser 
when the diesel is available?


It was available in Canada but I don't think the diesel is available any 
more.

They did not stand up well to day to day use from what I hear.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] Diesel smart

2015-08-18 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I'm pretty sure it wasn't. Why would the sheeple buy the pitiful 40mpg gasser 
when the diesel is available?

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Re: [MBZ] Diesel smart

2015-08-18 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Was that sold via MBUSA, or special ordered from Europe?  I had no idea a
diesel smart was offered in the U.S. of A.



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Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 10:32 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:



 mercedes built diesel DIESEL SMART
 http://stlouis.craigslist.org/cto/5176506160.html


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Re: [MBZ] Diesel smart

2015-08-18 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes

I ride so fast the wind rushing past my ears drowns out the Pioi and Teslas

--R



On 8/18/15 1:00 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

I find this odd, is your hearing poor? I think the Prii make an awful lot of road noise 
for what seems like it should be a quiet car. I see them in parking lots and think 
I thought the engine was supposed to be off for low speed maneuvers.
Heck I was surprised how much noise the Nissan Leaf made when I drove it. Everything I'd 
heard/read said nearly silent and if thats true most people have an odd 
attitude to silence.
-Curt


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Cc: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net
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  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel smart

Speaking of Pioi, I had to go to store this morning to get a paper since

mine did not show up as usual.  I saw a Tesla coming through the parking
lot, total stealth mode on those things.  Dangerous, you can't hear them
trying to run you down.  I have had 2 close encounters in that parking
lot, and one on the road leading out, with Pioi while riding my bike.

--R



On 8/18/15 11:56 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:



Same reason for buying a pious.  It makes you fl good (cuz you
are savin' tha envir'ment)


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Re: [MBZ] Diesel smart

2015-08-18 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I find this odd, is your hearing poor? I think the Prii make an awful lot of 
road noise for what seems like it should be a quiet car. I see them in parking 
lots and think I thought the engine was supposed to be off for low speed 
maneuvers.
Heck I was surprised how much noise the Nissan Leaf made when I drove it. 
Everything I'd heard/read said nearly silent and if thats true most people 
have an odd attitude to silence.
-Curt


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 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net 
 Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 12:55 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel smart
   
Speaking of Pioi, I had to go to store this morning to get a paper since 
mine did not show up as usual.  I saw a Tesla coming through the parking 
lot, total stealth mode on those things.  Dangerous, you can't hear them 
trying to run you down.  I have had 2 close encounters in that parking 
lot, and one on the road leading out, with Pioi while riding my bike.

--R



On 8/18/15 11:56 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:


 Same reason for buying a pious.  It makes you fl good (cuz you 
 are savin' tha envir'ment) 


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Re: [MBZ] Diesel smart

2015-08-18 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
Speaking of Pioi, I had to go to store this morning to get a paper since 
mine did not show up as usual.  I saw a Tesla coming through the parking 
lot, total stealth mode on those things.  Dangerous, you can't hear them 
trying to run you down.  I have had 2 close encounters in that parking 
lot, and one on the road leading out, with Pioi while riding my bike.


--R



On 8/18/15 11:56 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
Same reason for buying a pious.  It makes you fl good (cuz you 
are savin' tha envir'ment) 



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Re: [MBZ] Diesel smart

2015-08-18 Thread David Bruckmann via Mercedes
All the first-series Canadian-market Smart cars were diesels. Then they ruined 
it with the second series by offering only the gas model, coinciding with the 
start of sales into the US market.

Unfortunately the B-Class, which has been offered in Canada for about a decade 
now, was only sold in a gasser config. Presumably to protect Smart sales. The 
Smart fuel economy numbers are unimpressive given what a small crappy car it 
is. Even my 2002 Golf TDI got pretty close numbers, and there are now numerous 
other vehicles on the European market, normal in size, that get better fuel 
results. 

The real problem with those first Smarts cars is the transmission, which is 
undeniably horrendous.


 On Aug 18, 2015, at 07:44, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 10:32 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 
 
 mercedes built diesel DIESEL SMART
 http://stlouis.craigslist.org/cto/5176506160.html
 
 

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Re: [MBZ] Diesel smart

2015-08-18 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
This may be a gray market car.  The only one I ever saw was at a Winnipeg
dealership.  They wanted $15k for it as a used car, IIRC.  It may have been
a cabriolet.  In any case, the fuel economy is SICK and I would love to own
one.

On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 8:59 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 I'm pretty sure it wasn't. Why would the sheeple buy the pitiful 40mpg
 gasser when the diesel is available?

 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

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Re: [MBZ] Diesel smart

2015-08-18 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
A 2002 Golf TDI should stomp on a Smart Car's fuel economy numbers.Golf is 
rated for 35/44 with the user average on fueleconomy.gov at 48, 2012 Smart 
Coupe is rated for 34/38 with the user number at 38.My '98 Jetta has regularly 
been turning in numbers over 50 this summer. I suspect the 2005 Golf I just got 
with its more powerful engine to be slightly below that.
This is why the Smart makes no sense. Its too expensive and the fuel economy 
sucks for what you get. For the same price you could buy any other sub-compact, 
get twice as big a car and the same or BETTER fuel economy numbers.
-Curt
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Cc: David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca 
 Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 11:08 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel smart
   
All the first-series Canadian-market Smart cars were diesels. Then they ruined 
it with the second series by offering only the gas model, coinciding with the 
start of sales into the US market.

Unfortunately the B-Class, which has been offered in Canada for about a decade 
now, was only sold in a gasser config. Presumably to protect Smart sales. The 
Smart fuel economy numbers are unimpressive given what a small crappy car it 
is. Even my 2002 Golf TDI got pretty close numbers, and there are now numerous 
other vehicles on the European market, normal in size, that get better fuel 
results. 

The real problem with those first Smarts cars is the transmission, which is 
undeniably horrendous.


 On Aug 18, 2015, at 07:44, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 10:32 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 
 
 mercedes built diesel DIESEL SMART
 http://stlouis.craigslist.org/cto/5176506160.html
 
 

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Re: [MBZ] Diesel smart

2015-08-18 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
A 2002 Golf TDI should stomp on a Smart Car's fuel economy 
numbers.Golf is rated for 35/44 with the user average on 
fueleconomy.gov at 48, 2012 Smart Coupe is rated for 34/38 with the 
user number at 38.My '98 Jetta has regularly been turning in numbers 
over 50 this summer. I suspect the 2005 Golf I just got with its 
more powerful engine to be slightly below that.
This is why the Smart makes no sense. Its too expensive and the fuel 
economy sucks for what you get. For the same price you could buy any 
other sub-compact, get twice as big a car and the same or BETTER 
fuel economy numbers.

-Curt
  From: David Bruckmann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca
 Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 11:08 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel smart
  
All the first-series Canadian-market Smart cars were diesels. Then 
they ruined it with the second series by offering only the gas 
model, coinciding with the start of sales into the US market.


Unfortunately the B-Class, which has been offered in Canada for 
about a decade now, was only sold in a gasser config. Presumably to 
protect Smart sales. The Smart fuel economy numbers are unimpressive 
given what a small crappy car it is. Even my 2002 Golf TDI got 
pretty close numbers, and there are now numerous other vehicles on 
the European market, normal in size, that get better fuel results.


The real problem with those first Smarts cars is the transmission, 
which is undeniably horrendous.




Same reason for buying a pious.  It makes you fl good (cuz you 
are savin' tha envir'ment)


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