Re: [MBZ] Early engine replacement - was Columbus CL 240D
I once crushed the exhaust pipe just below the engine in the '76 300D by running over a large chunk of ice in a parking lot. I stopped and checked for leaking oil after the loud clank, but didn't notice theexhuast pipe till the next oil change. I always did worry about that low pan - but stopped thinking about it after many un-eventful miles. On 1/18/06, Brian Chase <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > AAAh. An achilles heel revealed. This wasn't on the MBZ website! (ducking) > > Brian -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, '87 300SDL 290K, '81 240D 173K, '78 450SLC 67K, '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K
Re: [MBZ] Early engine replacement - was Columbus CL 240D
HAHAHAHAHA, there ya go. Marshall Booth wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Seems like all the richards of the online mb world are going the way of the dodo bird. Correction: I haven't heard from Richards since THEY left their lists. Marshall -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Early engine replacement - was Columbus CL 240D
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Seems like all the richards of the online mb world are going the way of the dodo bird. Correction: I haven't heard from Richards since THEY left their lists. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] Early engine replacement - was Columbus CL 240D
Seems like all the richards of the online mb world are going the way of the dodo bird. Marshall Booth wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: what every happened to easley anyways? Did he ever get to come back to his list after stu performed a hostile takover? I haven't heard from Richard since he left the list. Marshall -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Early engine replacement - was Columbus CL 240D
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: what every happened to easley anyways? Did he ever get to come back to his list after stu performed a hostile takover? I haven't heard from Richard since he left the list. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] Early engine replacement - was Columbus CL 240D
Sunil Hari wrote: how much is this steel skidplate, and is it worth having? Does any lister have one? Also, were they ever a factory option/standard feature? The skid plates WERE factory options when the cars were being sold new. I've been told that they haven't been available from Mercedes for many years. The cost between $100-200 depending on the model car. Not many were sold in the US (many more were sold in Europe, Africa and Asia). If your car came with a picture parts catalog you will probably find the skid plate illustrated (section 52 in my 123, 124, 201 parts catalogs). Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] Early engine replacement - was Columbus CL 240D
what every happened to easley anyways? Did he ever get to come back to his list after stu performed a hostile takover? Marshall Booth wrote: Terry Geiger wrote: I think one thing that may cause an early engine replacement is the exposed oil pan on a 123. I looked at a 240D last year and the claim was it had a new engine at 150k because the previous owner ran over something in the road and punctured the oil pan. That is a not uncommon failure with Mercedes diesels (115/123/124/126/201 diesels at least) if the pan hits a curb, speed bump, railroad tracks or the like. Mercedes sells a steel skid plate that provides considerable protection. Despite many insurance companies NOT volunteering that they cover such collisions, they ARE covered by collision insurance in MOST states. A neighbor had the engine in his 76 300D replaced in the late '70s (he had to appeal to the PA Insurance Commission who ruled in his favor) and Richard Easley (from that OTHER list) had the engine in his 300SDL covered 6-7 years ago. I've heard of several others being covered. Marshall -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Early engine replacement - was Columbus CL 240D
I have one on the bottom of my 230E, which came off my old 200, which came from South Africa. Probably most ZA Mercs came with one. No you can't have it. The mounting holes should be on every 123 and they are not hard to fit but finding one is going to be hard. Best bet is to find one in a wreck. Hate to think how much DC would want if they sold them. Hendrik - Original Message - From: "Sunil Hari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Early engine replacement - was Columbus CL 240D how much is this steel skidplate, and is it worth having? Does any lister have one? Also, were they ever a factory option/standard feature? On 1/18/06, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well, the tranny was still going strong at about 180 K Kil if memory serves to be correct. The motor gave up a head gasket (again in the winter) and it was too expensive to have a shop fix it so we bought another car and let it sit until spring and then I fixed it. The motor was clean and showed little or no wear inside (I'm pretty anal about oil changes). It had 2 broken head bolts and that is why it blew the headgasket. It had always been somewhat suspect as it constantly lost coolant but I just watched it and waited for it to show me where. It finally did at Xmas time. The car was a year old and had about 40 K kil when I got it and I drove it fairly hard and then dumped it on my wife. The body was losing paint pretty bad by the time we sold it but it really wasn't too bad. Struts were the worst expense except for the head gasket. It had a water pump, brakes and a battery over about 10 years but then it really did not get a lot of miles. 180 K Kil is only about 112 K miles. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of tom savage Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:37 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Early engine replacement - was Columbus CL 240D R A Bennell wrote: > My wife ripped a bit of a hole into the bottom of the tranny oilpan on an 86 > Taurus that we had a while back. She ran over a curb that was hidden in some > snow and snagged the oil drain plug that I had thoughtfully installed myself > to make changing the tranny oil cleaner and easier. Unfortunately, that > little bung was about the lowest thing on the car. She didn't realize > it and > drove it home. Next morning we had this pool of red on the garage > floor. > Didn't hurt the tranny - just cost a used tranny oilpan and some new oil. I > was even able to drive it to a local tranny shop as it was winter and cold > out. That is impressive. I don't think I've ever heard of a Taurus transmission that didn't destruct. ;) Tom ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 16/01/2006
Re: [MBZ] Early engine replacement - was Columbus CL 240D
how much is this steel skidplate, and is it worth having? Does any lister have one? Also, were they ever a factory option/standard feature? On 1/18/06, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well, the tranny was still going strong at about 180 K Kil if memory > serves > to be correct. The motor gave up a head gasket (again in the winter) and > it > was too expensive to have a shop fix it so we bought another car and let > it > sit until spring and then I fixed it. The motor was clean and showed > little > or no wear inside (I'm pretty anal about oil changes). It had 2 broken > head > bolts and that is why it blew the headgasket. It had always been somewhat > suspect as it constantly lost coolant but I just watched it and waited for > it to show me where. It finally did at Xmas time. The car was a year old > and > had about 40 K kil when I got it and I drove it fairly hard and then > dumped > it on my wife. The body was losing paint pretty bad by the time we sold it > but it really wasn't too bad. Struts were the worst expense except for the > head gasket. It had a water pump, brakes and a battery over about 10 years > but then it really did not get a lot of miles. 180 K Kil is only about 112 > K > miles. > > Randy > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of tom savage > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:37 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Early engine replacement - was Columbus CL 240D > > > R A Bennell wrote: > > > My wife ripped a bit of a hole into the bottom of the tranny oilpan on > an > 86 > > Taurus that we had a while back. She ran over a curb that was hidden in > some > > snow and snagged the oil drain plug that I had thoughtfully installed > myself > > to make changing the tranny oil cleaner and easier. Unfortunately, that > > little bung was about the lowest thing on the car. She didn't realize it > and > > drove it home. Next morning we had this pool of red on the garage floor. > > Didn't hurt the tranny - just cost a used tranny oilpan and some new > oil. > I > > was even able to drive it to a local tranny shop as it was winter and > cold > > out. > > That is impressive. I don't think I've ever heard of a Taurus > transmission that didn't destruct. ;) > > Tom > > ___ > http://www.striplin.net > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > > > ___ > http://www.striplin.net > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > -- Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474
Re: [MBZ] Early engine replacement - was Columbus CL 240D
Well, the tranny was still going strong at about 180 K Kil if memory serves to be correct. The motor gave up a head gasket (again in the winter) and it was too expensive to have a shop fix it so we bought another car and let it sit until spring and then I fixed it. The motor was clean and showed little or no wear inside (I'm pretty anal about oil changes). It had 2 broken head bolts and that is why it blew the headgasket. It had always been somewhat suspect as it constantly lost coolant but I just watched it and waited for it to show me where. It finally did at Xmas time. The car was a year old and had about 40 K kil when I got it and I drove it fairly hard and then dumped it on my wife. The body was losing paint pretty bad by the time we sold it but it really wasn't too bad. Struts were the worst expense except for the head gasket. It had a water pump, brakes and a battery over about 10 years but then it really did not get a lot of miles. 180 K Kil is only about 112 K miles. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of tom savage Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:37 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Early engine replacement - was Columbus CL 240D R A Bennell wrote: > My wife ripped a bit of a hole into the bottom of the tranny oilpan on an 86 > Taurus that we had a while back. She ran over a curb that was hidden in some > snow and snagged the oil drain plug that I had thoughtfully installed myself > to make changing the tranny oil cleaner and easier. Unfortunately, that > little bung was about the lowest thing on the car. She didn't realize it and > drove it home. Next morning we had this pool of red on the garage floor. > Didn't hurt the tranny - just cost a used tranny oilpan and some new oil. I > was even able to drive it to a local tranny shop as it was winter and cold > out. That is impressive. I don't think I've ever heard of a Taurus transmission that didn't destruct. ;) Tom ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Early engine replacement - was Columbus CL 240D
AAAh. An achilles heel revealed. This wasn't on the MBZ website! (ducking) Brian From: Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Early engine replacement - was Columbus CL 240D Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:58:00 -0500 Terry Geiger wrote: > I think one thing that may cause an early engine replacement is the exposed > oil pan on a 123. I looked at a 240D last year and the claim was it had a > new engine at 150k because the previous owner ran over something in the road > and punctured the oil pan. That is a not uncommon failure with Mercedes diesels (115/123/124/126/201 diesels at least) if the pan hits a curb, speed bump, railroad tracks or the like. Mercedes sells a steel skid plate that provides considerable protection. Despite many insurance companies NOT volunteering that they cover such collisions, they ARE covered by collision insurance in MOST states. A neighbor had the engine in his 76 300D replaced in the late '70s (he had to appeal to the PA Insurance Commission who ruled in his favor) and Richard Easley (from that OTHER list) had the engine in his 300SDL covered 6-7 years ago. I've heard of several others being covered. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
Re: [MBZ] Early engine replacement - was Columbus CL 240D
Terry Geiger wrote: I think one thing that may cause an early engine replacement is the exposed oil pan on a 123. I looked at a 240D last year and the claim was it had a new engine at 150k because the previous owner ran over something in the road and punctured the oil pan. That is a not uncommon failure with Mercedes diesels (115/123/124/126/201 diesels at least) if the pan hits a curb, speed bump, railroad tracks or the like. Mercedes sells a steel skid plate that provides considerable protection. Despite many insurance companies NOT volunteering that they cover such collisions, they ARE covered by collision insurance in MOST states. A neighbor had the engine in his 76 300D replaced in the late '70s (he had to appeal to the PA Insurance Commission who ruled in his favor) and Richard Easley (from that OTHER list) had the engine in his 300SDL covered 6-7 years ago. I've heard of several others being covered. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] Early engine replacement - was Columbus CL 240D
R A Bennell wrote: My wife ripped a bit of a hole into the bottom of the tranny oilpan on an 86 Taurus that we had a while back. She ran over a curb that was hidden in some snow and snagged the oil drain plug that I had thoughtfully installed myself to make changing the tranny oil cleaner and easier. Unfortunately, that little bung was about the lowest thing on the car. She didn't realize it and drove it home. Next morning we had this pool of red on the garage floor. Didn't hurt the tranny - just cost a used tranny oilpan and some new oil. I was even able to drive it to a local tranny shop as it was winter and cold out. That is impressive. I don't think I've ever heard of a Taurus transmission that didn't destruct. ;) Tom
Re: [MBZ] Early engine replacement - was Columbus CL 240D
Probably not a bad idea to add a shield of some sort if it could be done without too much trouble. My wife ripped a bit of a hole into the bottom of the tranny oilpan on an 86 Taurus that we had a while back. She ran over a curb that was hidden in some snow and snagged the oil drain plug that I had thoughtfully installed myself to make changing the tranny oil cleaner and easier. Unfortunately, that little bung was about the lowest thing on the car. She didn't realize it and drove it home. Next morning we had this pool of red on the garage floor. Didn't hurt the tranny - just cost a used tranny oilpan and some new oil. I was even able to drive it to a local tranny shop as it was winter and cold out. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brian Chase Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 12:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Early engine replacement - was Columbus CL 240D You're kidding. These well-designed autos have the oil pan vulnerable to turfing if I ever bottom out? That disappoints me. I know the feeling of having this - on my '68 Coronet I had a deep-sump oil pan put on when I had that engine rebuilt. It hangs a couple inches below the cross-member (looks cool - I still haven't entirely grown up). But it's a very skiddish feeling to know that if I take a road at higher speed with dips in it, it could be a real problem. I always wanted to fashion a thick aluminum shield. Brian 83 240D >From: andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [MBZ] Early engine replacement - was Columbus CL 240D >Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:12:43 -0500 > >The PO of our 1985 300CD told us the same story to explain the $5,300 >engine >replacement, so I believe it. > >On 1/18/06, Terry Geiger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I think one thing that may cause an early engine replacement is the > > exposed > > oil pan on a 123. I looked at a 240D last year and the claim was it had >a > > new engine at 150k because the previous owner ran over something in the > > road > > and punctured the oil pan. > > > > Terry Geiger > > http://www.shoalsbritishcars.org > > '74 Triumph TR6 (my sunny day car) > > '63 Triumph Herald (wife's sunny day car) > > '84 Mercedes 300D Turbo Diesel (wife's car) > > '90 Chevy S10 (parts fetcher) > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Brian Chase" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:43 PM > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Columbus CL 240D > > > > > > > Sort of contradictory to say that the engine needed replacing after > > 150k, > > > but these engines run forever. I ran into this claim about my 240D >when > > I > > > bought it. What up??? > > > > > > Brian > > > 83 240D > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.striplin.net > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > > >___ >http://www.striplin.net >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
Re: [MBZ] Early engine replacement - was Columbus CL 240D
You're kidding. These well-designed autos have the oil pan vulnerable to turfing if I ever bottom out? That disappoints me. I know the feeling of having this - on my '68 Coronet I had a deep-sump oil pan put on when I had that engine rebuilt. It hangs a couple inches below the cross-member (looks cool - I still haven't entirely grown up). But it's a very skiddish feeling to know that if I take a road at higher speed with dips in it, it could be a real problem. I always wanted to fashion a thick aluminum shield. Brian 83 240D From: andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Early engine replacement - was Columbus CL 240D Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:12:43 -0500 The PO of our 1985 300CD told us the same story to explain the $5,300 engine replacement, so I believe it. On 1/18/06, Terry Geiger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think one thing that may cause an early engine replacement is the > exposed > oil pan on a 123. I looked at a 240D last year and the claim was it had a > new engine at 150k because the previous owner ran over something in the > road > and punctured the oil pan. > > Terry Geiger > http://www.shoalsbritishcars.org > '74 Triumph TR6 (my sunny day car) > '63 Triumph Herald (wife's sunny day car) > '84 Mercedes 300D Turbo Diesel (wife's car) > '90 Chevy S10 (parts fetcher) > > > - Original Message - > From: "Brian Chase" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:43 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Columbus CL 240D > > > > Sort of contradictory to say that the engine needed replacing after > 150k, > > but these engines run forever. I ran into this claim about my 240D when > I > > bought it. What up??? > > > > Brian > > 83 240D > > > > > > ___ > http://www.striplin.net > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
Re: [MBZ] Early engine replacement - was Columbus CL 240D
The PO of our 1985 300CD told us the same story to explain the $5,300 engine replacement, so I believe it. On 1/18/06, Terry Geiger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think one thing that may cause an early engine replacement is the > exposed > oil pan on a 123. I looked at a 240D last year and the claim was it had a > new engine at 150k because the previous owner ran over something in the > road > and punctured the oil pan. > > Terry Geiger > http://www.shoalsbritishcars.org > '74 Triumph TR6 (my sunny day car) > '63 Triumph Herald (wife's sunny day car) > '84 Mercedes 300D Turbo Diesel (wife's car) > '90 Chevy S10 (parts fetcher) > > > - Original Message - > From: "Brian Chase" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:43 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Columbus CL 240D > > > > Sort of contradictory to say that the engine needed replacing after > 150k, > > but these engines run forever. I ran into this claim about my 240D when > I > > bought it. What up??? > > > > Brian > > 83 240D > > > > > > ___ > http://www.striplin.net > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net >
Re: [MBZ] Early engine replacement - was Columbus CL 240D
I think one thing that may cause an early engine replacement is the exposed oil pan on a 123. I looked at a 240D last year and the claim was it had a new engine at 150k because the previous owner ran over something in the road and punctured the oil pan. Terry Geiger http://www.shoalsbritishcars.org '74 Triumph TR6 (my sunny day car) '63 Triumph Herald (wife's sunny day car) '84 Mercedes 300D Turbo Diesel (wife's car) '90 Chevy S10 (parts fetcher) - Original Message - From: "Brian Chase" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Columbus CL 240D Sort of contradictory to say that the engine needed replacing after 150k, but these engines run forever. I ran into this claim about my 240D when I bought it. What up??? Brian 83 240D