Re: [MBZ] Emergency power steering hose repair

2018-09-03 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Crazy isn’t it?

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On Sep 3, 2018, at 8:21 PM, fmiser via Mercedes  wrote:

>> Kaleb wrote:
> 
>> I am out of town. 
> 
>> No tools available.
> 
> You got it a car and drove more than 10 miles without tools??!!??
> 
> Oh my!
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Re: [MBZ] Emergency power steering hose repair

2018-09-03 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
> Kaleb wrote:

> I am out of town. 

> No tools available.

You got it a car and drove more than 10 miles without tools??!!??

Oh my!


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Re: [MBZ] Emergency power steering hose repair

2018-09-03 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
> Kaleb wrote:

> I have developed a pinhole leak near the connector at the pump
> on the 98 e300. It just shoots a small steam out. What could I
> use to try and patch it up while I am out of town till I get
> pack?

A piece of tin can to cover the hole and a hose clamp to hold it
tight in place.

At last that is what I would try first.

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Re: [MBZ] Emergency power steering hose repair

2018-09-03 Thread Larry Turner via Mercedes
I've seen hoses covered with a piece of PVC pipe split lengthwise then 
hose clamps applied to keep the pipe in place.  Mostly it depends on 
what the hole looks like.  There are lots pf different hose repair kits 
available - do a search and see all the different methods.  Might find 
something to work til you find a used/new hose or repair yours...


Good luck -

Larry


On 09/03/2018 4:17 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

Wrapped it up but it still leaks. The hole appears to be right where it



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Re: [MBZ] Emergency power steering hose repair

2018-09-03 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
The silicone tape will seal nad bond to it's self, but isn't really strong.
I'd wrap that with a strong tape, then put a hose clamp over both layers of
tape.

On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 3:04 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I got some of he silicone take which is stretchy and seals to itself.
> Wrapped it up but it still leaks. The hole appears to be right where it
> enters the metal fitting that screws into the pump. If the leak was not
> right there it probably would have worked. At least it’s not shooting out
> now but rather just running down.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 3, 2018, at 2:43 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> > OOPS... my bad... I totally missed that part..
> >
> > Spray it with carb cleaner... dry it really good wrap it with the
> best
> > tape you can find, put a hose clamp over the tape on top of the leak...
> get
> > a spare can of ATF fluid so you can keep it topped off.
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 12:39 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Perhaps you missed the entire point. I am out of town. Vehicle has a
> leak.
> >> No new hoses available. No tools available. I did discover a new Harbor
> >> Freight here. So that is a plus. Just went in for a box knife to cut the
> >> tape when I locate it and came out with about $40 worth of stuff.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Sep 3, 2018, at 2:36 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  >
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Replace the hose with a new one, and be done with it... what ever you
> do,
> >>> it will fail, possibly at a time when you least expect loss of power
> >>> steering, and damage the pump for lack of oil
> >>>
> >>> My money would be on new hose while I'm away, have hose arrive about my
> >>> return... done and dusted...
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 12:16 PM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
>  Perhaps a piece of hose wrapped around the leak and secured with two
> >> small
>  hose clamps would get you home?
>  Worked for a leaky brake hose for me.
>  YMMV.
>  Fred.
> 
>  On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 3:00 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > I was gonna suggest something like that with some RTV around the hole
> >
> > --R
> > Sent from iPhone
> >
> >> On Sep 3, 2018, at 2:37 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I think I’m going to try some of that tape wrap stuff from flaps
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Sep 3, 2018, at 1:28 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Barbed union fitting and two hose clamps?
> >>> Cut the hose, right through the hole, put a clamp over each half,
>  stick
> > the union fitting in there, tighten both clamps, and pray that
> shoving
>  the
> > fitting into the hose didn't make another weak spot rupure.
> >>> Mitch.
> >>>
>  On September 3, 2018 at 2:14 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>  I have developed a pinhole leak near the connector at the pump on
> >> the
> > 98 e300. It just shoots a small steam out. What could I use to try
> and
> > patch it up while I am out of town till I get pack?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Emergency power steering hose repair

2018-09-03 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
I got some of he silicone take which is stretchy and seals to itself. Wrapped 
it up but it still leaks. The hole appears to be right where it enters the 
metal fitting that screws into the pump. If the leak was not right there it 
probably would have worked. At least it’s not shooting out now but rather just 
running down.

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> On Sep 3, 2018, at 2:43 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  wrote:
> OOPS... my bad... I totally missed that part..
> 
> Spray it with carb cleaner... dry it really good wrap it with the best
> tape you can find, put a hose clamp over the tape on top of the leak... get
> a spare can of ATF fluid so you can keep it topped off.
> 
> On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 12:39 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Perhaps you missed the entire point. I am out of town. Vehicle has a leak.
>> No new hoses available. No tools available. I did discover a new Harbor
>> Freight here. So that is a plus. Just went in for a box knife to cut the
>> tape when I locate it and came out with about $40 worth of stuff.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 3, 2018, at 2:36 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Replace the hose with a new one, and be done with it... what ever you do,
>>> it will fail, possibly at a time when you least expect loss of power
>>> steering, and damage the pump for lack of oil
>>> 
>>> My money would be on new hose while I'm away, have hose arrive about my
>>> return... done and dusted...
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 12:16 PM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 Perhaps a piece of hose wrapped around the leak and secured with two
>> small
 hose clamps would get you home?
 Worked for a leaky brake hose for me.
 YMMV.
 Fred.
 
 On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 3:00 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
> I was gonna suggest something like that with some RTV around the hole
> 
> --R
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 3, 2018, at 2:37 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I think I’m going to try some of that tape wrap stuff from flaps
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 3, 2018, at 1:28 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Barbed union fitting and two hose clamps?
>>> Cut the hose, right through the hole, put a clamp over each half,
 stick
> the union fitting in there, tighten both clamps, and pray that shoving
 the
> fitting into the hose didn't make another weak spot rupure.
>>> Mitch.
>>> 
 On September 3, 2018 at 2:14 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 
 I have developed a pinhole leak near the connector at the pump on
>> the
> 98 e300. It just shoots a small steam out. What could I use to try and
> patch it up while I am out of town till I get pack?
 
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Re: [MBZ] Emergency power steering hose repair

2018-09-03 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
OOPS... my bad... I totally missed that part..

Spray it with carb cleaner... dry it really good wrap it with the best
tape you can find, put a hose clamp over the tape on top of the leak... get
a spare can of ATF fluid so you can keep it topped off.

On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 12:39 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Perhaps you missed the entire point. I am out of town. Vehicle has a leak.
> No new hoses available. No tools available. I did discover a new Harbor
> Freight here. So that is a plus. Just went in for a box knife to cut the
> tape when I locate it and came out with about $40 worth of stuff.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 3, 2018, at 2:36 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > Replace the hose with a new one, and be done with it... what ever you do,
> > it will fail, possibly at a time when you least expect loss of power
> > steering, and damage the pump for lack of oil
> >
> > My money would be on new hose while I'm away, have hose arrive about my
> > return... done and dusted...
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 12:16 PM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Perhaps a piece of hose wrapped around the leak and secured with two
> small
> >> hose clamps would get you home?
> >> Worked for a leaky brake hose for me.
> >> YMMV.
> >> Fred.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 3:00 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I was gonna suggest something like that with some RTV around the hole
> >>>
> >>> --R
> >>> Sent from iPhone
> >>>
>  On Sep 3, 2018, at 2:37 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  I think I’m going to try some of that tape wrap stuff from flaps
> 
>  Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Sep 3, 2018, at 1:28 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Barbed union fitting and two hose clamps?
> > Cut the hose, right through the hole, put a clamp over each half,
> >> stick
> >>> the union fitting in there, tighten both clamps, and pray that shoving
> >> the
> >>> fitting into the hose didn't make another weak spot rupure.
> > Mitch.
> >
> >> On September 3, 2018 at 2:14 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> I have developed a pinhole leak near the connector at the pump on
> the
> >>> 98 e300. It just shoots a small steam out. What could I use to try and
> >>> patch it up while I am out of town till I get pack?
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Emergency power steering hose repair

2018-09-03 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Perhaps you missed the entire point. I am out of town. Vehicle has a leak. No 
new hoses available. No tools available. I did discover a new Harbor Freight 
here. So that is a plus. Just went in for a box knife to cut the tape when I 
locate it and came out with about $40 worth of stuff. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 3, 2018, at 2:36 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Replace the hose with a new one, and be done with it... what ever you do,
> it will fail, possibly at a time when you least expect loss of power
> steering, and damage the pump for lack of oil
> 
> My money would be on new hose while I'm away, have hose arrive about my
> return... done and dusted...
> 
> On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 12:16 PM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Perhaps a piece of hose wrapped around the leak and secured with two small
>> hose clamps would get you home?
>> Worked for a leaky brake hose for me.
>> YMMV.
>> Fred.
>> 
>> On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 3:00 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I was gonna suggest something like that with some RTV around the hole
>>> 
>>> --R
>>> Sent from iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 3, 2018, at 2:37 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 I think I’m going to try some of that tape wrap stuff from flaps
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Sep 3, 2018, at 1:28 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Barbed union fitting and two hose clamps?
> Cut the hose, right through the hole, put a clamp over each half,
>> stick
>>> the union fitting in there, tighten both clamps, and pray that shoving
>> the
>>> fitting into the hose didn't make another weak spot rupure.
> Mitch.
> 
>> On September 3, 2018 at 2:14 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I have developed a pinhole leak near the connector at the pump on the
>>> 98 e300. It just shoots a small steam out. What could I use to try and
>>> patch it up while I am out of town till I get pack?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Emergency power steering hose repair

2018-09-03 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Replace the hose with a new one, and be done with it... what ever you do,
it will fail, possibly at a time when you least expect loss of power
steering, and damage the pump for lack of oil

My money would be on new hose while I'm away, have hose arrive about my
return... done and dusted...

On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 12:16 PM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Perhaps a piece of hose wrapped around the leak and secured with two small
> hose clamps would get you home?
> Worked for a leaky brake hose for me.
> YMMV.
> Fred.
>
> On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 3:00 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I was gonna suggest something like that with some RTV around the hole
> >
> > --R
> > Sent from iPhone
> >
> > > On Sep 3, 2018, at 2:37 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I think I’m going to try some of that tape wrap stuff from flaps
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >> On Sep 3, 2018, at 1:28 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Barbed union fitting and two hose clamps?
> > >> Cut the hose, right through the hole, put a clamp over each half,
> stick
> > the union fitting in there, tighten both clamps, and pray that shoving
> the
> > fitting into the hose didn't make another weak spot rupure.
> > >> Mitch.
> > >>
> > >>> On September 3, 2018 at 2:14 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> I have developed a pinhole leak near the connector at the pump on the
> > 98 e300. It just shoots a small steam out. What could I use to try and
> > patch it up while I am out of town till I get pack?
> > >>>
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Re: [MBZ] Emergency power steering hose repair

2018-09-03 Thread Frederick Moir via Mercedes
Perhaps a piece of hose wrapped around the leak and secured with two small
hose clamps would get you home?
Worked for a leaky brake hose for me.
YMMV.
Fred.

On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 3:00 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I was gonna suggest something like that with some RTV around the hole
>
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> > On Sep 3, 2018, at 2:37 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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> > I think I’m going to try some of that tape wrap stuff from flaps
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> > Sent from my iPhone
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> >> On Sep 3, 2018, at 1:28 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Barbed union fitting and two hose clamps?
> >> Cut the hose, right through the hole, put a clamp over each half, stick
> the union fitting in there, tighten both clamps, and pray that shoving the
> fitting into the hose didn't make another weak spot rupure.
> >> Mitch.
> >>
> >>> On September 3, 2018 at 2:14 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I have developed a pinhole leak near the connector at the pump on the
> 98 e300. It just shoots a small steam out. What could I use to try and
> patch it up while I am out of town till I get pack?
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Re: [MBZ] Emergency power steering hose repair

2018-09-03 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
I was gonna suggest something like that with some RTV around the hole

--R
Sent from iPhone

> On Sep 3, 2018, at 2:37 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think I’m going to try some of that tape wrap stuff from flaps
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 3, 2018, at 1:28 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Barbed union fitting and two hose clamps?
>> Cut the hose, right through the hole, put a clamp over each half, stick the 
>> union fitting in there, tighten both clamps, and pray that shoving the 
>> fitting into the hose didn't make another weak spot rupure. 
>> Mitch.
>> 
>>> On September 3, 2018 at 2:14 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I have developed a pinhole leak near the connector at the pump on the 98 
>>> e300. It just shoots a small steam out. What could I use to try and patch 
>>> it up while I am out of town till I get pack?
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Emergency power steering hose repair

2018-09-03 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Mon, 3 Sep 2018 13:37:03 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> I think I’m going to try some of that tape wrap stuff from flaps

But will it hold to the oily hose? Even after cleaning?


Craig

> > On Sep 3, 2018, at 1:28 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Barbed union fitting and two hose clamps?
> > Cut the hose, right through the hole, put a clamp over each half,
> > stick the union fitting in there, tighten both clamps, and pray that
> > shoving the fitting into the hose didn't make another weak spot
> > rupure. Mitch.
> > 
> >> On September 3, 2018 at 2:14 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >> I have developed a pinhole leak near the connector at the pump on
> >> the 98 e300. It just shoots a small steam out. What could I use to
> >> try and patch it up while I am out of town till I get pack?

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Re: [MBZ] Emergency power steering hose repair

2018-09-03 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
I think I’m going to try some of that tape wrap stuff from flaps

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 3, 2018, at 1:28 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Barbed union fitting and two hose clamps?
> Cut the hose, right through the hole, put a clamp over each half, stick the 
> union fitting in there, tighten both clamps, and pray that shoving the 
> fitting into the hose didn't make another weak spot rupure. 
> Mitch.
> 
>> On September 3, 2018 at 2:14 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I have developed a pinhole leak near the connector at the pump on the 98 
>> e300. It just shoots a small steam out. What could I use to try and patch it 
>> up while I am out of town till I get pack?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Emergency power steering hose repair

2018-09-03 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
Barbed union fitting and two hose clamps?
Cut the hose, right through the hole, put a clamp over each half, stick the 
union fitting in there, tighten both clamps, and pray that shoving the fitting 
into the hose didn't make another weak spot rupure. 
Mitch.
 
> On September 3, 2018 at 2:14 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I have developed a pinhole leak near the connector at the pump on the 98 
> e300. It just shoots a small steam out. What could I use to try and patch it 
> up while I am out of town till I get pack?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Emergency Power

2015-07-08 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

If the Prius would charge the battery at a highly efficient throttle setting by
starting and stopping, it
could probably beat a single cylinder engine running non-stop at light load. 

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Re: [MBZ] Emergency Power

2015-07-08 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
What voltage does the Pious battery pack run at?  Would it be possible 
to tap an inverter straight into it?  Do those packs go bad or wear down 
after a time?  Buy a used one for cheepcheep and turn it into a rolling 
emerg system?  I have read that some guys mod them for charging from the 
mains, that would make it easy to keep topped off with mains or solar or 
whatever power source, in addition to gasoline.


--R



On 7/8/15 8:47 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

If the Prius would charge the battery at a highly efficient throttle setting by
starting and stopping, it
could probably beat a single cylinder engine running non-stop at light load.

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Re: [MBZ] Emergency Power

2015-07-08 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes

Rich wrote:
 What voltage does the Pious battery pack run at?

G: 288v

  Would it be possible 
 to tap an inverter straight into it?

G: There has been a recent discussion about that possibility but I haven't been 
following it. I vaguely remember the major problem was that the AC current 
produced by the main inverter that runs the traction motor, water pump, and air 
conditioner; (there are no belts); is that it is three phase. They also 
discussed tapping straight off the battery to a separate inverter but ran into 
potential problems with that approach as well. 

  Do those packs go bad or wear down 
 after a time? 

G: they are warranted for 150,000 miles or ten years if purchased in 
California, Pennsylvania, and several other states. The rest are warranted for 
100,000 miles or 8 years. DIYers often take the batteries apart and test the 
individual modules; replacing the bad ones with good modules from the junkyards 
or buying new modules for $45. There aren't a lot of modules.
Rebuilt batteries are about $1700; new about $3000. Most last beyond the 
warrantee period under normal use.

 Buy a used one for cheepcheep and turn it into a rolling 
 emerg system?  I have read that some guys mod them for charging from the 
 mains, that would make it easy to keep topped off with mains or solar or 
 whatever power source, in addition to gasoline.

G: Go to www.bing.com and type in output of prius generator. There are 
several articles there by people who did just that.

Note: The inverter that changes battery DC to 3 phase AC is enclosed in a large 
module that has it's own liquid cooling system. I wonder if an inverter 
handling the high output of a Prius generator feeding a house would also need a 
liquid cooling system?

Prius_Technical_Stuff on Yahoogroups (www.groups.yahoo.com) is the group to 
which I belong.

www.priuschat.com is a larger and more generalized group which also has a lot 
of technical info.

Gerry

 

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Re: [MBZ] Emergency Power

2015-07-08 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes

Mitch Haley wrote:
 If the Prius would charge the battery at a highly efficient throttle setting 
 by
 starting and stopping, it
 could probably beat a single cylinder engine running non-stop at light load. 

G: That's exactly what it does. The display is constantly showing one of 
several conditions: Engine driving only, battery driving only, engine and 
battery driving, rotating wheels charging battery, etc.
Go uphill and engine cuts in with any excess energy going to the main battery. 
Going downhill the engine stops and the wheels charge the battery. On level 
ground the engine will constantly be switching back and forth between engine 
and battery depending on speed. Slowing down the wheels are charging the 
battery. Floorboard it and both the engine and main battery kick in.
When setting in one place with the electric air conditioner on, the engine 
will run for about a minute charging the battery, and then there will be a long 
period when the AC is running only on the battery. There doesn't seem to be any 
observable difference in fuel consumption.
Gerry

A few weeks ago there was a discussion about the possibility of reducing the AC 
voltage of the motor-generator to household voltage and using that for 
emergency power, but I didn't follow it. 

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Re: [MBZ] Emergency Power

2015-07-08 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
 archer75--- wrote:
 
 Note: The inverter that changes battery DC to 3 phase AC is
 enclosed in a large module that has it's own liquid cooling
 system. I wonder if an inverter handling the high output of
 a Prius generator feeding a house would also need a liquid
 cooling system?

No.  Or yes.

The reason to choose liquid rather than air cooling has to do
with heat density and the easy of moving hot liquid to some
remote location to cool it.  In a stationary system, there
are a few more options for where and how the heat is dumped
to the air, so it might be easier, cheaper, simpler, or safer
to use air cooling - or maybe adapting the existing liquid
cooling would be fine.

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Re: [MBZ] Emergency Power

2015-07-08 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Maybe they need to build the wind turbine towers to be compressed air tanks
- - -

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 Compressed air in the works for Canadian wind power storage.



 Nova Scotia-based Unify Energy won $250,000 for a compressed air project in
 that province using new technology also from a California firm, Light Sail.

 The project will attach to a wind farm enough shipping containers to store
 electricity to run 200 houses for eight hours, Sebastian Manchester said in
 a telephone interview.

 “Twenty modules could help integrate a pretty big wind farm,” said
 Manchester, adding that he is looking for partners in Alberta.

 These compressed air shipping containers are much bigger than Tesla’s
 fridge-sized batteries. But they are also much cheaper to manufacture, use
 readily available materials and can store about as much power, he said.

 The compressed air is put into carbon fibre storage units inside the
 shipping container at 3,000 PSI.

 The system is high-efficient as heat generated by compressing the air is
 stored in water and used later to decompress the air when electricity is
 needed.

 Three other winners are ZincNyx Energy Solution, University of Calgary with
 large scale liquid batteries, Ambri and Eguana Technologies.

 The companies have two years to complete their projects.



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Re: [MBZ] Emergency Power

2015-07-08 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Compressed air in the works for Canadian wind power storage.



Dan Chapman wants to put a fridge-sized battery in an apartment building
and fill it up with electricity from solar panels on the roof so that at
night, there’s plenty of power.

Or, a grocery store could lower its power bill by using the super-size
battery to store power at night when the price is low and use it in the
daytime when electricity rates on the grid soar too high.

Calgary-based TransAlta is bringing this new technology, made by
California-based electric carmaker Tesla, to Alberta as part of the
province’s push to increase the amount of renewable energy in the province,
says Chapman, TransAlta’s chief engineer.

The biggest problem with renewable energy like wind and solar is the
unstable supply — when the wind dies or clouds move in, the power stops,
says Mark Summers with the government research agency Alberta Innovates,
Energy and Environment Solutions.

So the agency put out a proposal call, with a $250,000 prize for each
winner, for new technology to solve the storage problems, smooth out supply
and develop technology appropriate to Alberta’s private electricity market.

Chapman was in California this spring when Tesla unveiled its revolutionary
local-use big battery technology and made a deal to bring the new product
here.

(Tesla also unveiled a smaller version, called a power wall, that lets a
homeowner store energy right in the house for use later.)

TransAlta hasn’t identified a business or apartment site to test the
commercial use of the big batteries to be built by Tesla.

But it will install batteries at its Blue Trail wind farm near Fort Macleod.

The idea is to prove the batteries are capable of smoothing out the wind
power supply by storing the excess power which could also be sold when
electricity is at peak demand times and thereby maximize revenues.

If you don’t like the idea of large, expensive, chemical-based batteries,
there’s another option — compressed air modules stuffed into shipping
containers.

Nova Scotia-based Unify Energy won $250,000 for a compressed air project in
that province using new technology also from a California firm, Light Sail.

The project will attach to a wind farm enough shipping containers to store
electricity to run 200 houses for eight hours, Sebastian Manchester said in
a telephone interview.

“Twenty modules could help integrate a pretty big wind farm,” said
Manchester, adding that he is looking for partners in Alberta.

These compressed air shipping containers are much bigger than Tesla’s
fridge-sized batteries. But they are also much cheaper to manufacture, use
readily available materials and can store about as much power, he said.

The compressed air is put into carbon fibre storage units inside the
shipping container at 3,000 PSI.

The system is high-efficient as heat generated by compressing the air is
stored in water and used later to decompress the air when electricity is
needed.

Three other winners are ZincNyx Energy Solution, University of Calgary with
large scale liquid batteries, Ambri and Eguana Technologies.

The companies have two years to complete their projects.

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 2:29 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


 Rich wrote:
  What voltage does the Pious battery pack run at?

 G: 288v

   Would it be possible
  to tap an inverter straight into it?

 G: There has been a recent discussion about that possibility but I haven't
 been following it. I vaguely remember the major problem was that the AC
 current produced by the main inverter that runs the traction motor, water
 pump, and air conditioner; (there are no belts); is that it is three phase.
 They also discussed tapping straight off the battery to a separate inverter
 but ran into potential problems with that approach as well.

   Do those packs go bad or wear down
  after a time?

 G: they are warranted for 150,000 miles or ten years if purchased in
 California, Pennsylvania, and several other states. The rest are warranted
 for 100,000 miles or 8 years. DIYers often take the batteries apart and
 test the individual modules; replacing the bad ones with good modules from
 the junkyards or buying new modules for $45. There aren't a lot of modules.
 Rebuilt batteries are about $1700; new about $3000. Most last beyond the
 warrantee period under normal use.

  Buy a used one for cheepcheep and turn it into a rolling
  emerg system?  I have read that some guys mod them for charging from the
  mains, that would make it easy to keep topped off with mains or solar or
  whatever power source, in addition to gasoline.

 G: Go to www.bing.com and type in output of prius generator. There are
 several articles there by people who did just that.

 Note: The inverter that changes battery DC to 3 phase AC is enclosed in a
 large module that has it's own liquid cooling system. I wonder if an
 inverter handling the high output of a Prius generator feeding a house
 would also need a 

Re: [MBZ] Emergency power for a house [was: Re: 240V]

2012-11-04 Thread Fmiser
 Craig wrote:

 In addition, our electrical service is grounded at three points:
 
 - the inside sub-panel installation that connects to the
   copper water pipes in the old part of the house,
 - the 50' long, separate, seamless tubing that supplies
   water to the new part of our house, and,
 - a ground rod at the outside transfer switch panel, which,
   under UL certification, is suitable for service entrance
   and may be used as a main panel or feed-through to a
   sub-panel.

NEC says that's fine - IF the multiple grounds are tied together.

From a lightning protection standpoint, one ground is better.
Or really heavy cable tying the multiple grounds together.

--   Philip

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