Re: [MBZ] Feel your (break) petals

2015-08-18 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Mitch,

I hadn't thought of that!  I will try again...

I've got to install new hoses on the rear brake calipers, will start by
filling the power bleeder so that it has plenty of time to air out before
use.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 7:40 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:



  On August 17, 2015 at 5:26 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes
  mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 
  Just seemed like the most likely reason for a soft pedal.

 Did you ever pour brake fluid and see that the container you poured
 into has thousands of barely visible microbubbles in it?

 I don't like to pedal bleed from a reservoir that had fluid added to
 it in the past half hour.

 If I used a pressure bleeder, I'd fill the tank and give it time to
 de-air itself before using it.

 Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] Feel your (break) petals

2015-08-18 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I like just putting bake fluid in the reservoir and just using the pressure 
bleeder to provide pressure.  You have fewer problems with bubbles and 
potential foaming, I’ve found.  It’s not a big deal to have to pull the cap and 
replenish the fluid occasionally.

I would add that I had an unfortunate incident with an “Easy Bleed” one time 
where the cap popped off the reservoir during bleeding, spraying brake fluid 
all over the place.  Did some damage to my paint.

Ever since then I always put a towel over the reservoir and bleeder when it’s 
under pressure.  That way if something does pop loose it won’t spray brake 
fluid all over.

To be honest, I prefer suction bleeding with a hand vacuum pump and overflow 
bottle.  It takes a little longer, but it works well for me.  After the 
incident with the pressure bleeder I’m a bit gun shy about having pressurized 
brake fluid around my car...

Dan

  
 On Aug 18, 2015, at 9:44 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Mitch,
 
 I hadn't thought of that!  I will try again...
 
 I've got to install new hoses on the rear brake calipers, will start by
 filling the power bleeder so that it has plenty of time to air out before
 use.
 
 -
 Max
 Charleston SC
 
 The other thing you can do  with a pressurized bleeder if put the fresh fluid 
 in at the wheels, and that helps push the air up and out at the high spot, 
 the MC.
 
 You can find the procedure online.  I did this once, when I could not find a 
 way to bleed the ABS.
 
 ABS brake bleeding is more tricky than plain dual circuit, which are a little 
 more complicated than the old single circuit brakes.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Feel your (break) petals

2015-08-18 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
Ever since then I always put a towel over the reservoir and bleeder 
when it’s under pressure.


Keep a hose handy.  Speedi-rinse might save your paint.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Feel your (break) petals

2015-08-18 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

Mitch,

I hadn't thought of that!  I will try again...

I've got to install new hoses on the rear brake calipers, will start by
filling the power bleeder so that it has plenty of time to air out before
use.

-
Max
Charleston SC


The other thing you can do  with a pressurized bleeder if put the 
fresh fluid in at the wheels, and that helps push the air up and out 
at the high spot, the MC.


You can find the procedure online.  I did this once, when I could not 
find a way to bleed the ABS.


ABS brake bleeding is more tricky than plain dual circuit, which are 
a little more complicated than the old single circuit brakes.


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Re: [MBZ] Feel your (break) petals

2015-08-17 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes


 On August 17, 2015 at 5:26 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 
 Just seemed like the most likely reason for a soft pedal.

Did you ever pour brake fluid and see that the container you poured
into has thousands of barely visible microbubbles in it?

I don't like to pedal bleed from a reservoir that had fluid added to
it in the past half hour. 

If I used a pressure bleeder, I'd fill the tank and give it time to
de-air itself before using it. 

Mitch. 

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Re: [MBZ] Feel your (break) petals

2015-08-17 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
The wear sensors should clip into the side of the pad backing plates. Being 
placed in the holes doesn't anchor or hold them in place.

Dan

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 On Aug 17, 2015, at 3:35 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Last night I installed new Akebono Ultra Premium ceramic pads (part#
 EUR423) in my '87 300TD.  Made in USA, and about $46 via Amazon.
 
 Two problems.  Well, maybe only one can be attributed to the new pads.
 
 The MB pad wear sensors are supposed to clip into holes in the pads, but
 the holes are slightly too large and the sensors flop around a bit,  As
 long as they don't fall out, I think they'll work fine, but they don't fit
 as well as in the OE or OEM pads.
 
 The pedal feel was nice and firm with Pagid normal pads, but now the
 pedal feel is toward the squishy end.  I blame the new pads.  I also
 changed the front brake hoses at the same time, so perhaps the new ATE
 hoses are to blame or are part of the problem.  They are a 129 part number
 now.
 -
 Max
 Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Feel your (break) petals

2015-08-17 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes


  


The pedal feel was nice and firm with Pagid normal pads, but now the
pedal feel is toward the squishy end.  I blame the new pads.  I also
changed the front brake hoses at the same time, so perhaps the new ATE
hoses are to blame or are part of the problem.
-
Max



Bleed them again??

RB

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Re: [MBZ] Feel your (break) petals

2015-08-17 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

Just seemed like the most likely reason for a soft pedal.

RB

On 17/08/2015 3:35 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Randy, I'm using a Power Bleeder which pressurizes the MC reservoir and
pushes fluid at the same time.  This quickly and easily pushes all the air
out via the bleeder bolt.  I would be surprised if there is still any air
in the system.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
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Bleed them again??

RB







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