Re: [MBZ] Finally, something I would like to have in an electric car

2015-08-20 Thread clay via Mercedes
@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Mitch Haley mi...@mitchellhaley.com Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Finally, something I would like to have in an electric car On August 9, 2015 at 9:28 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes

Re: [MBZ] Finally, something I would like to have in an electric car

2015-08-09 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
I have no answers at the moment.. Come Monday.. expect I may contact the web site and see if it's just a concept or actually certified for flight and for sale.. If I grasp the design details correctly.. it has an on board fuel engine that runs generator which drives electric motors.. actually,

Re: [MBZ] Finally, something I would like to have in an electric car

2015-08-09 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
On August 9, 2015 at 2:05 AM G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: To fly it needs FAA certification.. That is no small feat.. Hadn't the FAA successfully stymied virtually all advances in private aviation by 1970, simply by making it prohibitively expensive to certify a new

Re: [MBZ] Finally, something I would like to have in an electric car

2015-08-09 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
, private pilots ticket at a minimum, so some joker doesn't try to land on my flat roof! Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 23:05:50 -0700 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Finally, something I would like to have in an electric car From: mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: g2ma

Re: [MBZ] Finally, something I would like to have in an electric car

2015-08-09 Thread Fred Moir via Mercedes
will be interesting, private pilots ticket at a minimum, so some joker doesn't try to land on my flat roof! Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 23:05:50 -0700 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Finally, something I would like to have in an electric car From: mercedes

Re: [MBZ] Finally, something I would like to have in an electric car

2015-08-09 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes
At 6:53 PM -0700 8/8/15, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/D4uSWtazRCM?rel=0 Gerry Anderson beat them to it in 1960! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8m9Z010pM4 -MMM- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] Finally, something I would like to have in an electric car

2015-08-09 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
IT is a computer generated visualization. I'm guessing that is the furthest state of development. Type certification requires real aircraft. If real aircraft existed, we'd have seen more than a visualization. It is someone's dream, but I doubt there is enough money behind the dream to

Re: [MBZ] Finally, something I would like to have in an electric car

2015-08-09 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Terrafugia has been testing the Transistion flying car for a few years now. They are still trying to get a waiver from the FAA for exceeding the weight limit for the Light Sport category of aircraft, so it's not certified yet. The impact resistance requirements for cars makes it heavier than it

Re: [MBZ] Finally, something I would like to have in an electric car

2015-08-09 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
We are from FAA and we are not happy until you are not happy It is not just new aircraft certification, it is certification of any part or improved part, for any airplane ever built. The simple 4 place airplane [no retractable gear, no controlled pitch prop] will now price out deeply into the

Re: [MBZ] Finally, something I would like to have in an electric car

2015-08-09 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
The thing is, you can buy or rent an airplane that does airplane stuff well, and rent a car or uber at your destination, and that does ground transpo really well. Other than a curiosity I am not sure these carplanes have a lot of appeal. I remember when I was young there was a guy in town

Re: [MBZ] Finally, something I would like to have in an electric car

2015-08-09 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Mitch wrote: They must have gotten that power by the clause in the Constitution that gives fedgov the power to prevent interstate commerce. They should have been wise back in the day of bicycle mechanics from Dayton, and we might not have airplanes as we know today. Stifle innovation and

Re: [MBZ] Finally, something I would like to have in an electric car

2015-08-09 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
Mitch wrote: They must have gotten that power by the clause in the Constitution that gives fedgov the power to prevent interstate commerce. They should have been wise back in the day of bicycle mechanics from Dayton, and we might not have airplanes as we know today. Stifle innovation and

Re: [MBZ] Finally, something I would like to have in an electric car

2015-08-09 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Thanks Don.. as I suspected... in development.. still.. Let's just throw a few more billion at it and make it work... seems to be the operative plan with government.. why doesn't it work in industry? H ... Apparently, Terrafugia needs to invest in more lobbyist and buy some

Re: [MBZ] Finally, something I would like to have in an electric car

2015-08-09 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
With a little more work, they make it a boat also - fly out to our favorite fishing spot . . . Yes, I agree that anything that tries to satisfy everything, will be good at none of them. Tailor the vehicle to the mission, one mission. That's why I have a pickup, a sedan, the airplane equivalent of

Re: [MBZ] Finally, something I would like to have in an electric car

2015-08-09 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
But what do you do in not quite wingless craft with a 150 mph stall speed and folding helicopter rotors when you're used to having a computer land you VTOL? It's that often used but seldom practiced aviation maneuver called Duck and Kiss ... which involves bending over far enough to kiss your

Re: [MBZ] Finally, something I would like to have in an electric car

2015-08-09 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Well, I would imagine either the passenger or the computer could deploy the parachute, if that is designed and built into it. I know that some GA planes have them, used to be a pilot in my reserve unit with one that flew up to Charleston from Florida for drill weekends. Supposed to be able to

Re: [MBZ] Finally, something I would like to have in an electric car

2015-08-09 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
BZZZT WRONG It's Ho mah beer n watchiss --R On 8/9/15 6:42 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: Unless you are a real redneck, then you just say Hold my beer and watch this... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] Finally, something I would like to have in an electric car

2015-08-09 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
The fuselage will have to develop a LOT of lift to fly on those little wings with four people on board, full fuel, etc. As Wilton often points out, the laws of physics ALWAYS win. Especially when you lose power. A normal airplane can glide indefinitely at 5:1 or better until you run out of

Re: [MBZ] Finally, something I would like to have in an electric car

2015-08-09 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
My Dodge has something like 345hp and got 15mpg delivering a 240D to Dimitri. Averaged 21mpg commuting a couple weeks ago... Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To

Re: [MBZ] Finally, something I would like to have in an electric car

2015-08-09 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sun, 9 Aug 2015 14:20:29 -0700 Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: My Dodge has something like 345hp and got 15mpg delivering a 240D to Dimitri. Averaged 21mpg commuting a couple weeks ago... Just as riding a bicycle is more efficient than walking, so driving a truck is

Re: [MBZ] Finally, something I would like to have in an electric car

2015-08-09 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
The fuselage will have to develop a LOT of lift to fly on those little wings with four people on board, full fuel, etc. As Wilton often points out, the laws of physics ALWAYS win. Especially when you lose power. A normal airplane can glide indefinitely at 5:1 or better until you run out

Re: [MBZ] Finally, something I would like to have in an electric car

2015-08-09 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
You die. On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 4:14 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Especially when you lose power. A normal airplane can glide indefinitely at 5:1 or better until you run out of AGL. A helicopter can auto-rotate with a little skill on the part of the pilot. But

Re: [MBZ] Finally, something I would like to have in an electric car

2015-08-09 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Unless you have a parachute like these airplanes. http://cirrusaircraft.com/ -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On August 9, 2015 7:45:42 PM EDT, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: You die. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search

Re: [MBZ] Finally, something I would like to have in an electric car

2015-08-09 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Finally, something I would like to have in an electric car On Sun, 9 Aug 2015 14:20:29 -0700 Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: My Dodge has something like 345hp and got 15mpg delivering a 240D to Dimitri. Averaged

Re: [MBZ] Finally, something I would like to have in an electric car

2015-08-09 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
Max writes: Unless you have a parachute like these airplanes. http://cirrusaircraft.com/ Good luck with that. ‎ ‎http://airfactsjournal.com/2012/05/dicks-blog-whats-wrong-with-cirrus-pilots/ Rick  Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com

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2015-08-09 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
On August 9, 2015 at 9:41 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Holiday Inn Express has a pancake machine. Push a button and 2 minutes later pancakes come out.My liberal friends hate it when I point to the kiosks at Panera as $15 minimum wage worker replacements. They

Re: [MBZ] Finally, something I would like to have in an electric car

2015-08-09 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
On August 9, 2015 at 9:28 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Would have been fun if the craft pulled up at a McDonald's and the pilot stepped out, dressed in his Micky D outfit for his day job flipping burgers. We'll have robotic burger flippers by then.

Re: [MBZ] Finally, something I would like to have in an electric car

2015-08-09 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
What's liberal have to do with it? I use the checkout person instead of the self check out machines for that reason - keeping jobs. On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Holiday Inn Express has a pancake machine. Push a button and 2 minutes

Re: [MBZ] Finally, something I would like to have in an electric car

2015-08-09 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
On August 9, 2015 at 9:41 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Holiday Inn Express has a pancake machine. Push a button and 2 minutes later pancakes come out.My liberal friends hate it when I point to the kiosks at Panera as $15 minimum wage worker replacements.

Re: [MBZ] Finally, something I would like to have in an electric car

2015-08-09 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Would have been fun if the craft pulled up at a McDonald's and the pilot stepped out, dressed in his Micky D outfit for his day job flipping burgers. On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 9:17 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Unless you have a parachute like these airplanes.

Re: [MBZ] Finally, something I would like to have in an electric car

2015-08-09 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
that ex-burger flippers will not be robot maintainers. -Curt From: Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Mitch Haley mi...@mitchellhaley.com Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Finally, something I would

Re: [MBZ] Finally, something I would like to have in an electric car

2015-08-08 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sat, 8 Aug 2015 18:53:13 -0700 G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/D4uSWtazRCM?rel=0 Nice idea. Rather high wing loading with the small wings. 1 megawatt = 1341 horsepower, how long can the batteries provide 1041 horsepower? How heavy

Re: [MBZ] Finally, something I would like to have in an electric car

2015-08-08 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
On Sat, 8 Aug 2015 18:53:13 -0700 G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/D4uSWtazRCM?rel=0 Nice idea. Rather high wing loading with the small wings. 1 megawatt = 1341 horsepower, how long can the batteries provide 1041 horsepower? How heavy