Re: [MBZ] GPS

2020-01-10 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Fri, 10 Jan 2020 13:41:56 -0600 OK Don via Mercedes
 wrote:

> No - just the general area covered.

Hm ... perhaps the source would be at the center of the general area.
That is, of course, if the general area is not overly broad to disguise
the location of the source.


Craig


> On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 10:53 AM Craig via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> > I see!
> >
> > Are the locations of the jamming sources mentioned in the NOTAMs?
> >
> > BTW, for the uninformed, NOTAM = NOtice To AirMen.

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Re: [MBZ] GPS

2020-01-10 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
No - just the general area covered.

On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 10:53 AM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I see!
>
> Are the locations of the jamming sources mentioned in the NOTAMs?
>
> BTW, for the uninformed, NOTAM = NOtice To AirMen.
>
>
> Craig
>


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Re: [MBZ] GPS

2020-01-10 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Fri, 10 Jan 2020 10:37:42 -0600 OK Don via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Although I didn't see a notice yesterday, there are frequently pilot's
> (NOTAMS) alerts that GPS jamming testing is being done in NM.

I see!

Are the locations of the jamming sources mentioned in the NOTAMs?

BTW, for the uninformed, NOTAM = NOtice To AirMen.


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Re: [MBZ] GPS

2020-01-10 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Although I didn't see a notice yesterday, there are frequently pilot's
(NOTAMS) alerts that GPS jamming testing is being done in NM.

On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 9:45 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Since the BRV's speedometer is recessed in the dash and since it reads
> high when it is cold, I have been using our GPS as a speedometer for some
> time now.
>
> Shirley had a dental appointment today so we were in northwest
> Albuquerque. After her appointment, I programmed the GPS to find the
> quickest way to the Fleet Pride store in downtown Albuquerque and we
> were off (you have to be off to do this kind of thing!  :-) ).
>
> As we were driving east on Paseo del Norte, I heard the GPS saying,
> "Recalculating!" several times. Then I noticed I was going slower than
> the speed limit of 60 mph -- the GPS said 52. I accelerated and noticed
> the GPS said 48. I then looked down at the speedometer (it was after
> sunset and I had the lights on so the speedometer needle was easy to
> see). It said we were going 65!
>
> I slowed down and push the button on the GPS to return to the map
> display. It showed the vehicle about 500' north of the roadway and going
> on neighborhood roads instead of on the freeway! When we crossed the Rio
> Grande (where there are no neighborhood roads parallel to the freeway!)
> it decided we were on the freeway afterall.
>
> We got off on the left side of the freeway, turned right, and went under
> the eastbound lanes and stopped at a stoplight with a clear view of the
> sky. I looked at the GPS's map and saw it said we were about 500' west of
> our actual location. This continued as we headed south on 2nd street.
>
> I thought this was rather odd, having never seen anything like this
> before.
>
> It could have been caused by someone transmitting locally on GPS
> frequencies, but those are predominantly line-of-sight and we had
> travelled a few miles and were on the other side of a freeway
> overpass's earth berm. In addition, after a while it started working
> correctly again.
>
> It occurred to me it could have been due to the Department of Defense
> turning on Selective Availabilty (which has been off for several years).
>
> Anyway, I first noticed the wierdness about 1640 MST (2340Z).
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] GPS

2020-01-10 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 Now that you mention it Angie came home last night claiming she'd seen a UFO. 
Said it was as wide as a football field, studded with lights and moving 
silently just above the trees...
Would have been an hour later than Craig's incident, maybe it was on an 
eastward swing?
-Curt

On Thursday, January 9, 2020, 11:40:25 PM EST, Buggered Benzmail via 
Mercedes  wrote:  
 
 There were ARVs active in the area 

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Jan 9, 2020, at 11:37 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> It could be because of satellite position.
> GPS [I believe it still does] relies on signal from 3 satellites to
> establish it's coordinates.
> It could have been a situation where one or more of the needed signals were
> over the horizon and your Dash GPS was not getting coordinate information
> to do it's internal calculations. Temporary triangulation  loss.
> 
>> On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 8:45 PM Craig via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Since the BRV's speedometer is recessed in the dash and since it reads
>> high when it is cold, I have been using our GPS as a speedometer for some
>> time now.
>> 
>> Shirley had a dental appointment today so we were in northwest
>> Albuquerque. After her appointment, I programmed the GPS to find the
>> quickest way to the Fleet Pride store in downtown Albuquerque and we
>> were off (you have to be off to do this kind of thing!  :-) ).
>> 
>> As we were driving east on Paseo del Norte, I heard the GPS saying,
>> "Recalculating!" several times. Then I noticed I was going slower than
>> the speed limit of 60 mph -- the GPS said 52. I accelerated and noticed
>> the GPS said 48. I then looked down at the speedometer (it was after
>> sunset and I had the lights on so the speedometer needle was easy to
>> see). It said we were going 65!
>> 
>> I slowed down and push the button on the GPS to return to the map
>> display. It showed the vehicle about 500' north of the roadway and going
>> on neighborhood roads instead of on the freeway! When we crossed the Rio
>> Grande (where there are no neighborhood roads parallel to the freeway!)
>> it decided we were on the freeway afterall.
>> 
>> We got off on the left side of the freeway, turned right, and went under
>> the eastbound lanes and stopped at a stoplight with a clear view of the
>> sky. I looked at the GPS's map and saw it said we were about 500' west of
>> our actual location. This continued as we headed south on 2nd street.
>> 
>> I thought this was rather odd, having never seen anything like this
>> before.
>> 
>> It could have been caused by someone transmitting locally on GPS
>> frequencies, but those are predominantly line-of-sight and we had
>> travelled a few miles and were on the other side of a freeway
>> overpass's earth berm. In addition, after a while it started working
>> correctly again.
>> 
>> It occurred to me it could have been due to the Department of Defense
>> turning on Selective Availabilty (which has been off for several years).
>> 
>> Anyway, I first noticed the wierdness about 1640 MST (2340Z).
>> 
>> 
>> Craig
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] GPS

2020-01-10 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 During hunting season I noticed that Google Maps is quite accurate for walking 
around in the woods. Often I use it in conjunction with my compass.Google Earth 
on the other hand seems to have a 1/4 mile offset that I have been unable to 
figure out. Its always got me mislocated and is thus useless in the woods.
As I often walk out out of cell service I was hoping Google Earth would work 
better than it does.
-Curt

On Thursday, January 9, 2020, 10:45:22 PM EST, Craig via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Since the BRV's speedometer is recessed in the dash and since it reads
high when it is cold, I have been using our GPS as a speedometer for some
time now.

Shirley had a dental appointment today so we were in northwest
Albuquerque. After her appointment, I programmed the GPS to find the
quickest way to the Fleet Pride store in downtown Albuquerque and we
were off (you have to be off to do this kind of thing!  :-) ).

As we were driving east on Paseo del Norte, I heard the GPS saying,
"Recalculating!" several times. Then I noticed I was going slower than
the speed limit of 60 mph -- the GPS said 52. I accelerated and noticed
the GPS said 48. I then looked down at the speedometer (it was after
sunset and I had the lights on so the speedometer needle was easy to
see). It said we were going 65!

I slowed down and push the button on the GPS to return to the map
display. It showed the vehicle about 500' north of the roadway and going
on neighborhood roads instead of on the freeway! When we crossed the Rio
Grande (where there are no neighborhood roads parallel to the freeway!)
it decided we were on the freeway afterall.

We got off on the left side of the freeway, turned right, and went under
the eastbound lanes and stopped at a stoplight with a clear view of the
sky. I looked at the GPS's map and saw it said we were about 500' west of
our actual location. This continued as we headed south on 2nd street.

I thought this was rather odd, having never seen anything like this
before.

It could have been caused by someone transmitting locally on GPS
frequencies, but those are predominantly line-of-sight and we had
travelled a few miles and were on the other side of a freeway
overpass's earth berm. In addition, after a while it started working
correctly again.

It occurred to me it could have been due to the Department of Defense
turning on Selective Availabilty (which has been off for several years).

Anyway, I first noticed the wierdness about 1640 MST (2340Z).


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] GPS

2020-01-10 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
I'm guessing there might be a number of orbiting stealth aircraft in the 
Iranian area loaded with a variety of devices that could disable any 
sort of transmitter trying to do that, quite quickly.


--FT

On 1/10/20 8:47 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Iranians are trying to get even (?) after we terminated a couple
terrorists, with extreme prejudice. Perhaps they are jamming GPS signals as
part of the cyber war.

-
Max
Charleston SC





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Re: [MBZ] GPS

2020-01-10 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Thu, 9 Jan 2020 22:40:29 -0700 Craig via Mercedes
 wrote:

> On Fri, 10 Jan 2020 00:24:37 -0500 Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> > Alien Replica Vehicles. They’re flown out of secret bases around
> > there.  Their singularity/gravity drives disrupt space-time and hence
> > GPS and other radio signals 
> 
> I see.

Oh, by the way, this is Albuquerque, not Roswell.


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Re: [MBZ] GPS

2020-01-10 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Iranians are trying to get even (?) after we terminated a couple
terrorists, with extreme prejudice. Perhaps they are jamming GPS signals as
part of the cyber war.

-
Max
Charleston SC


On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 10:45 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Since the BRV's speedometer is recessed in the dash and since it reads
> high when it is cold, I have been using our GPS as a speedometer for some
> time now.
>
> Shirley had a dental appointment today so we were in northwest
> Albuquerque. After her appointment, I programmed the GPS to find the
> quickest way to the Fleet Pride store in downtown Albuquerque and we
> were off (you have to be off to do this kind of thing!  :-) ).
>
> As we were driving east on Paseo del Norte, I heard the GPS saying,
> "Recalculating!" several times. Then I noticed I was going slower than
> the speed limit of 60 mph -- the GPS said 52. I accelerated and noticed
> the GPS said 48. I then looked down at the speedometer (it was after
> sunset and I had the lights on so the speedometer needle was easy to
> see). It said we were going 65!
>
> I slowed down and push the button on the GPS to return to the map
> display. It showed the vehicle about 500' north of the roadway and going
> on neighborhood roads instead of on the freeway! When we crossed the Rio
> Grande (where there are no neighborhood roads parallel to the freeway!)
> it decided we were on the freeway afterall.
>
> We got off on the left side of the freeway, turned right, and went under
> the eastbound lanes and stopped at a stoplight with a clear view of the
> sky. I looked at the GPS's map and saw it said we were about 500' west of
> our actual location. This continued as we headed south on 2nd street.
>
> I thought this was rather odd, having never seen anything like this
> before.
>
> It could have been caused by someone transmitting locally on GPS
> frequencies, but those are predominantly line-of-sight and we had
> travelled a few miles and were on the other side of a freeway
> overpass's earth berm. In addition, after a while it started working
> correctly again.
>
> It occurred to me it could have been due to the Department of Defense
> turning on Selective Availabilty (which has been off for several years).
>
> Anyway, I first noticed the wierdness about 1640 MST (2340Z).
>
>
> Craig
>
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Re: [MBZ] GPS

2020-01-09 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Alien vehicles only fly after closing time for the bars.


On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 10:55 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> They are after  you!
>
> > Craig via Mercedes 
> > January 9, 2020 at 9:44 PM
> > Since the BRV's speedometer is recessed in the dash and since it reads
> > high when it is cold, I have been using our GPS as a speedometer for some
> > time now.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] GPS

2020-01-09 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes

They are after  you!


Craig via Mercedes 
January 9, 2020 at 9:44 PM
Since the BRV's speedometer is recessed in the dash and since it reads
high when it is cold, I have been using our GPS as a speedometer for some
time now.



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Re: [MBZ] GPS

2020-01-09 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Fri, 10 Jan 2020 00:24:37 -0500 Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Alien Replica Vehicles. They’re flown out of secret bases around
> there.  Their singularity/gravity drives disrupt space-time and hence
> GPS and other radio signals 

I see.


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Re: [MBZ] GPS

2020-01-09 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
Alien Replica Vehicles. They’re  flown out of secret bases around there.  Their 
singularity/gravity drives disrupt space-time and hence GPS and other radio 
signals 

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Jan 10, 2020, at 12:03 AM, Craig via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 9 Jan 2020 23:39:37 -0500 Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> There were ARVs active in the area
> 
> ARVs?
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] GPS

2020-01-09 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Thu, 9 Jan 2020 23:39:37 -0500 Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
 wrote:

> There were ARVs active in the area 

ARVs?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] GPS

2020-01-09 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Thu, 9 Jan 2020 21:34:53 -0700 G Mann via Mercedes
 wrote:

> It could be because of satellite position.
> GPS [I believe it still does] relies on signal from 3 satellites to
> establish it's coordinates.
> It could have been a situation where one or more of the needed signals
> were over the horizon and your Dash GPS was not getting coordinate
> information to do it's internal calculations. Temporary triangulation
> loss.

You are correct three satellites are needed to establish a fix, but there
are something like 19 satellites in the constellation and there are
typically 5 visible at any time.


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Re: [MBZ] GPS

2020-01-09 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
There were ARVs active in the area 

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Jan 9, 2020, at 11:37 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> It could be because of satellite position.
> GPS [I believe it still does] relies on signal from 3 satellites to
> establish it's coordinates.
> It could have been a situation where one or more of the needed signals were
> over the horizon and your Dash GPS was not getting coordinate information
> to do it's internal calculations. Temporary triangulation  loss.
> 
>> On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 8:45 PM Craig via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Since the BRV's speedometer is recessed in the dash and since it reads
>> high when it is cold, I have been using our GPS as a speedometer for some
>> time now.
>> 
>> Shirley had a dental appointment today so we were in northwest
>> Albuquerque. After her appointment, I programmed the GPS to find the
>> quickest way to the Fleet Pride store in downtown Albuquerque and we
>> were off (you have to be off to do this kind of thing!  :-) ).
>> 
>> As we were driving east on Paseo del Norte, I heard the GPS saying,
>> "Recalculating!" several times. Then I noticed I was going slower than
>> the speed limit of 60 mph -- the GPS said 52. I accelerated and noticed
>> the GPS said 48. I then looked down at the speedometer (it was after
>> sunset and I had the lights on so the speedometer needle was easy to
>> see). It said we were going 65!
>> 
>> I slowed down and push the button on the GPS to return to the map
>> display. It showed the vehicle about 500' north of the roadway and going
>> on neighborhood roads instead of on the freeway! When we crossed the Rio
>> Grande (where there are no neighborhood roads parallel to the freeway!)
>> it decided we were on the freeway afterall.
>> 
>> We got off on the left side of the freeway, turned right, and went under
>> the eastbound lanes and stopped at a stoplight with a clear view of the
>> sky. I looked at the GPS's map and saw it said we were about 500' west of
>> our actual location. This continued as we headed south on 2nd street.
>> 
>> I thought this was rather odd, having never seen anything like this
>> before.
>> 
>> It could have been caused by someone transmitting locally on GPS
>> frequencies, but those are predominantly line-of-sight and we had
>> travelled a few miles and were on the other side of a freeway
>> overpass's earth berm. In addition, after a while it started working
>> correctly again.
>> 
>> It occurred to me it could have been due to the Department of Defense
>> turning on Selective Availabilty (which has been off for several years).
>> 
>> Anyway, I first noticed the wierdness about 1640 MST (2340Z).
>> 
>> 
>> Craig
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] GPS

2020-01-09 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
It could be because of satellite position.
GPS [I believe it still does] relies on signal from 3 satellites to
establish it's coordinates.
It could have been a situation where one or more of the needed signals were
over the horizon and your Dash GPS was not getting coordinate information
to do it's internal calculations. Temporary triangulation  loss.

On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 8:45 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Since the BRV's speedometer is recessed in the dash and since it reads
> high when it is cold, I have been using our GPS as a speedometer for some
> time now.
>
> Shirley had a dental appointment today so we were in northwest
> Albuquerque. After her appointment, I programmed the GPS to find the
> quickest way to the Fleet Pride store in downtown Albuquerque and we
> were off (you have to be off to do this kind of thing!  :-) ).
>
> As we were driving east on Paseo del Norte, I heard the GPS saying,
> "Recalculating!" several times. Then I noticed I was going slower than
> the speed limit of 60 mph -- the GPS said 52. I accelerated and noticed
> the GPS said 48. I then looked down at the speedometer (it was after
> sunset and I had the lights on so the speedometer needle was easy to
> see). It said we were going 65!
>
> I slowed down and push the button on the GPS to return to the map
> display. It showed the vehicle about 500' north of the roadway and going
> on neighborhood roads instead of on the freeway! When we crossed the Rio
> Grande (where there are no neighborhood roads parallel to the freeway!)
> it decided we were on the freeway afterall.
>
> We got off on the left side of the freeway, turned right, and went under
> the eastbound lanes and stopped at a stoplight with a clear view of the
> sky. I looked at the GPS's map and saw it said we were about 500' west of
> our actual location. This continued as we headed south on 2nd street.
>
> I thought this was rather odd, having never seen anything like this
> before.
>
> It could have been caused by someone transmitting locally on GPS
> frequencies, but those are predominantly line-of-sight and we had
> travelled a few miles and were on the other side of a freeway
> overpass's earth berm. In addition, after a while it started working
> correctly again.
>
> It occurred to me it could have been due to the Department of Defense
> turning on Selective Availabilty (which has been off for several years).
>
> Anyway, I first noticed the wierdness about 1640 MST (2340Z).
>
>
> Craig
>
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Re: [MBZ] GPS?

2015-09-09 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
I have an old Garman that was becoming increasingly unable to lock onto 
the satellites to get a position fix.  Google showed this to a rather 
common problem for that model, and I found a tutorial or a utuber vid 
that showed how to solder a jumper on the circuit board to fix it.  I 
did that and it worked better for awhile but then started acting up 
again.  I finally just bought a new one and this one works fine but it 
keeps annoying me about the maps.  I think it is not under the free map 
update program, I haven't tried, I never remember to bring the thing in 
from the truck to fool with it.


I'd say spend the $100 on a new one and be done with it.

--R




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Re: [MBZ] GPS?

2015-09-09 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

On 08/09/2015 5:51 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

RB asks:


Anyone have any good advice to >pass along apart from what I >already
said, which was to toss it and go >buy a new Garmin?

Is it a motorcycle GPS, or strictly for the car? The battery is probably stone 
dead. Charge it overnight and see if that helps.

That said, new(er) models of both Garmin and TomTom have lifetime maps. Maps 
get expensive to purchase time and time again.
‎
Rick



Car - not motorcyle version.
No doubt battery was dead but he had had it on the charger a whole lot.
No idea if it is holding a charge.
He is not technically oriented.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] GPS?

2015-09-09 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

Now that is interesting.
I had wondered if putting a new battery in might be sufficient to bring 
it back to life.

Might be worth a try for what it would cost.

RB

On 09/09/2015 11:18 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Cycle life of battery has likely been exceeded along with age.

The battery can be replaced, I did it on an old MIO GPS I picked up at a
garage sale for $2.  The screws that held the unit together were hidden
under small rubber plugs that filled the screw holes to make it appear "not
serviceable".

I used a bulletin board push pin to pick the plugs out, removed the screws,
removed the battery and took it to "Batteries +" to find a replacement. $8
later, had a fully functioning, if slightly out of date MIO GPS. that works
just fine for navigation around the Ranch and since streets really don't
move that often.. it even works in town.

For myself.. it was worth the $10 and a little effort to save it. Even came
with the charge cord and mount..original box and manual.. etc.

On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 9:06 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


On 08/09/2015 5:51 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:


RB asks:

Anyone have any good advice to >pass along apart from what I >already

said, which was to toss it and go >buy a new Garmin?


Is it a motorcycle GPS, or strictly for the car? The battery is probably
stone dead. Charge it overnight and see if that helps.

That said, new(er) models of both Garmin and TomTom have lifetime maps.
Maps get expensive to purchase time and time again.
‎
Rick



Car - not motorcyle version.
No doubt battery was dead but he had had it on the charger a whole lot.
No idea if it is holding a charge.
He is not technically oriented.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] GPS?

2015-09-09 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Cycle life of battery has likely been exceeded along with age.

The battery can be replaced, I did it on an old MIO GPS I picked up at a
garage sale for $2.  The screws that held the unit together were hidden
under small rubber plugs that filled the screw holes to make it appear "not
serviceable".

I used a bulletin board push pin to pick the plugs out, removed the screws,
removed the battery and took it to "Batteries +" to find a replacement. $8
later, had a fully functioning, if slightly out of date MIO GPS. that works
just fine for navigation around the Ranch and since streets really don't
move that often.. it even works in town.

For myself.. it was worth the $10 and a little effort to save it. Even came
with the charge cord and mount..original box and manual.. etc.

On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 9:06 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On 08/09/2015 5:51 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> RB asks:
>>
>> Anyone have any good advice to >pass along apart from what I >already
>>> said, which was to toss it and go >buy a new Garmin?
>>>
>> Is it a motorcycle GPS, or strictly for the car? The battery is probably
>> stone dead. Charge it overnight and see if that helps.
>>
>> That said, new(er) models of both Garmin and TomTom have lifetime maps.
>> Maps get expensive to purchase time and time again.
>> ‎
>> Rick
>>
>>
> Car - not motorcyle version.
> No doubt battery was dead but he had had it on the charger a whole lot.
> No idea if it is holding a charge.
> He is not technically oriented.
>
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] GPS?

2015-09-09 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes


> On September 9, 2015 at 12:18 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Cycle life of battery has likely been exceeded along with age.

My TomTom XXL cooks its battery. I suspect it just has overvoltage protection
instead of a real smart charge circuit. 
One time last winter I left it plugged in for a couple of days and now the
3 year old battery is totally useless instead of mostly useless (life had
dwindled to about 30 minutes before the last overcharging, now it's less than
ten minutes, was 2-3 hours when new). 

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Re: [MBZ] GPS?

2015-09-09 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
It's been my experience with rechargeable batteries that as they reach
their cycle limits, their ability to take a charge declines, thus the
charging circuit tries to "push charge" ... and the battery fails to hold
it, so the conflict between the dying battery and the over worked charger
presents a "no win" for either one.

I would suggest a new battery is an easy fix, before it also "cooks the
charge circuit".

On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 12:34 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
>
> > On September 9, 2015 at 12:18 PM G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > Cycle life of battery has likely been exceeded along with age.
>
> My TomTom XXL cooks its battery. I suspect it just has overvoltage
> protection
> instead of a real smart charge circuit.
> One time last winter I left it plugged in for a couple of days and now the
> 3 year old battery is totally useless instead of mostly useless (life had
> dwindled to about 30 minutes before the last overcharging, now it's less
> than
> ten minutes, was 2-3 hours when new).
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Re: [MBZ] GPS?

2015-09-08 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
RB asks:

>Anyone have any good advice to >pass along apart from what I >already 
>said, which was to toss it and go >buy a new Garmin?

Is it a motorcycle GPS, or strictly for the car? The battery is probably stone 
dead. Charge it overnight and see if that helps. 

That said, new(er) models of both Garmin and TomTom have lifetime maps. Maps 
get expensive to purchase time and time again. 
‎
Rick 
Sent from my BlackBerry Z10

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Re: [MBZ] GPS?

2015-09-08 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
Yes my Samsung has a map & GPS  program so i don't use my Garmin  any more.
A friend has a 201x R350 with big navigation  screen. MB  content.
On Sep 8, 2015 8:40 PM, "Curly McLain via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> RB asks:
>>
>> Anyone have any good advice to >pass along apart from what I >already
>>> said, which was to toss it and go >buy a new Garmin?
>>>
>>
>> Is it a motorcycle GPS, or strictly for the car? The battery is probably
>> stone dead. Charge it overnight and see if that helps.
>> That said, new(er) models of both Garmin and TomTom have lifetime maps.
>> Maps get expensive to purchase time and time again.
>> Rick
>> Sent from my BlackBerry Z10
>>
>
> If he as an iphone, there is a gps app for that.   It even had the green
> sand beach in Hawaii several years ago.  You have to hike in there...
>
> I assume there is a similar thing for a google OS fone..  And...something..
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Re: [MBZ] GPS?

2015-09-08 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

RB asks:

Anyone have any good advice to >pass along apart from what I >already 
said, which was to toss it and go >buy a new Garmin?


Is it a motorcycle GPS, or strictly for the car? The battery is 
probably stone dead. Charge it overnight and see if that helps. 

That said, new(er) models of both Garmin and TomTom have lifetime 
maps. Maps get expensive to purchase time and time again. 


Rick
Sent from my BlackBerry Z10


If he as an iphone, there is a gps app for that.   It even had the 
green sand beach in Hawaii several years ago.  You have to hike in 
there...


I assume there is a similar thing for a google OS fone..  And...something..

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Re: [MBZ] GPS?

2015-09-08 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
The advantage in a stand-alone GPS is when you have no data service out in the 
sticks. Your phone GPS can't think for itself, it phones home for the actual 
mapping...
-Curt

  From: Curly McLain via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
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Cc: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 8:39 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] GPS?
   
>RB asks:
>
>>Anyone have any good advice to >pass along apart from what I >already 
>>said, which was to toss it and go >buy a new Garmin?
>
>Is it a motorcycle GPS, or strictly for the car? The battery is 
>probably stone dead. Charge it overnight and see if that helps. 
>
>That said, new(er) models of both Garmin and TomTom have lifetime 
>maps. Maps get expensive to purchase time and time again. 
>
>Rick
>Sent from my BlackBerry Z10

If he as an iphone, there is a gps app for that.  It even had the 
green sand beach in Hawaii several years ago.  You have to hike in 
there...

I assume there is a similar thing for a google OS fone..  And...something..



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Re: [MBZ] GPS Wuz: Snowplow drivers stop to change underwear

2014-02-03 Thread WILTON

ATTABOY!

Wilt


- Original Message - 
From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] GPS Wuz: Snowplow drivers stop to change underwear


The day a few years back I got hit by a Sprinter van (Benz content) while 
on my bike, earlier I got buzzed VERY closely by an ATT phone van, Sunday 
morning, time and place known.  On Monday morning I was in a very foul 
mood and called ATT HQ legal dept demanding the name of the driver so I 
could get him charged for harassment under the bike law.


A very short time later the regional supervisor calls me, tells me he is 
on it and will get back to me once he gets it sorted.  Coupla days later 
he calls, said he had met with the driver and his union rep.  Driver 
denied having done it.  Supervisor shows him gps records, speeds ( slow 
while following me then speeds up  to pass and brakes in front of me then 
speeds off) time, location, exactly as I had said.  Union rep confers with 
his boy, who suddenly had a memory reset.  Driver on probation, please let 
them handle it, etc etc.


I let it go but was quite impressed with the technology.

--R (sent from my miniPad)

On Feb 2, 2014, at 10:42 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:

I was working a termination hearing at the school board last year where 
they used a GPS as part of the grounds to terminate an employee.  Someone 
had this guy's number, so it was only one of a number of things they were 
throwing at him.  He took a short cut to a school site from his shop and 
stopped for 53 seconds on a side street to talk to someone (there was 
another worker in the van. who corroborated the story.)


Supposedly when they put GPS' in the District vehicles the union had the 
District agree in contract that the GPS data could not be used to dismiss 
an employee.  Interestingly, the union didn't challenge this guy's 
termination.


Hmm.


Dan



On Feb 2, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Dieselhead wrote:

GPS in trucks was available 25 years ago.  Friend of mine owned a small 
trucking company then.  He also owned the first MB truck in the region. 
He had GPS on the trucks about 25 years ago.  He told the drivers the GS 
was there, what it will show, and not to deviate off path or they'd be 
fired.  One driver drove 15-20 miles out of the way and went to a casino. 
He got fired as soon as he got to the terminal.


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Re: [MBZ] GPS Wuz: Snowplow drivers stop to change underwear

2014-02-02 Thread Dan Penoff
I was working a termination hearing at the school board last year where they 
used a GPS as part of the grounds to terminate an employee.  Someone had this 
guy's number, so it was only one of a number of things they were throwing at 
him.  He took a short cut to a school site from his shop and stopped for 53 
seconds on a side street to talk to someone (there was another worker in the 
van. who corroborated the story.)

Supposedly when they put GPS' in the District vehicles the union had the 
District agree in contract that the GPS data could not be used to dismiss an 
employee.  Interestingly, the union didn't challenge this guy's termination.

Hmm.


Dan


On Feb 2, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Dieselhead wrote:

 GPS in trucks was available 25 years ago.  Friend of mine owned a small 
 trucking company then.  He also owned the first MB truck in the region.  He 
 had GPS on the trucks about 25 years ago.  He told the drivers the GS was 
 there, what it will show, and not to deviate off path or they'd be fired.  
 One driver drove 15-20 miles out of the way and went to a casino.  He got 
 fired as soon as he got to the terminal.
 
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Re: [MBZ] GPS Wuz: Snowplow drivers stop to change underwear

2014-02-02 Thread Rich Thomas
The day a few years back I got hit by a Sprinter van (Benz content) while on my 
bike, earlier I got buzzed VERY closely by an ATT phone van, Sunday morning, 
time and place known.  On Monday morning I was in a very foul mood and called 
ATT HQ legal dept demanding the name of the driver so I could get him charged 
for harassment under the bike law. 

A very short time later the regional supervisor calls me, tells me he is on it 
and will get back to me once he gets it sorted.  Coupla days later he calls, 
said he had met with the driver and his union rep.  Driver denied having done 
it.  Supervisor shows him gps records, speeds ( slow while following me then 
speeds up  to pass and brakes in front of me then speeds off) time, location, 
exactly as I had said.  Union rep confers with his boy, who suddenly had a 
memory reset.  Driver on probation, please let them handle it, etc etc.

I let it go but was quite impressed with the technology.

--R (sent from my miniPad)

On Feb 2, 2014, at 10:42 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:

I was working a termination hearing at the school board last year where they 
used a GPS as part of the grounds to terminate an employee.  Someone had this 
guy's number, so it was only one of a number of things they were throwing at 
him.  He took a short cut to a school site from his shop and stopped for 53 
seconds on a side street to talk to someone (there was another worker in the 
van. who corroborated the story.)

Supposedly when they put GPS' in the District vehicles the union had the 
District agree in contract that the GPS data could not be used to dismiss an 
employee.  Interestingly, the union didn't challenge this guy's termination.

Hmm.


Dan


 On Feb 2, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Dieselhead wrote:
 
 GPS in trucks was available 25 years ago.  Friend of mine owned a small 
 trucking company then.  He also owned the first MB truck in the region.  He 
 had GPS on the trucks about 25 years ago.  He told the drivers the GS was 
 there, what it will show, and not to deviate off path or they'd be fired.  
 One driver drove 15-20 miles out of the way and went to a casino.  He got 
 fired as soon as he got to the terminal.
 
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Re: [MBZ] GPS Wuz: Snowplow drivers stop to change underwear

2014-02-02 Thread Mitch Haley

Rich Thomas wrote:
The day a few years back I got hit by a Sprinter van (Benz content) while on my bike, earlier I got buzzed VERY closely by an ATT phone van, Sunday morning, time and place known.  On Monday morning I was in a very foul mood and called ATT HQ legal dept demanding the name of the driver so I could get him charged for harassment under the bike law. 

A very short time later the regional supervisor calls me, tells me he is on it and will get back to me once he gets it sorted.  Coupla days later he calls, said he had met with the driver and his union rep.  Driver denied having done it.  Supervisor shows him gps records, speeds ( slow while following me then speeds up  to pass and brakes in front of me then speeds off) time, location, exactly as I had said.  Union rep confers with his boy, who suddenly had a memory reset.  


I would have fired his ass for lying to me if the union contract allowed it.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] GPS (again)

2010-03-18 Thread John Reames
Verizon keeps it locked down pretty tight.  There is PKI based  
authentication between the phone and the PDE...


A-GPS will not work without a connection to the PDE.

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On Mar 18, 2010, at 1:13, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

It is an LG that is some kind of a fake iphone type thing  
(touchscreen)  Can it be unlocked so that an app will work without  
Canyahearmenow's  $60 /month ripoff for data service?



 She can get an app for her phone, but good ol CanYaHearMeNow  
wants an
additional $60 a month to be able to use the gps app.  And we  
thought

MaBell was hard to get along with!


What kind of phone?  On my Windows Mobile I have the TomTom  
software ($40
with a dock for my Treo, which died long ago) and have been  
surprisingly
pleased, and no Navigon = no cell provider fee.  It is a prettier  
display
than our old eMap (think that was a Garmin) and I'm less likely to  
forget
it in the car, too.  Directions are more reliable than our Ford  
built-in,
and I think you can order updates from the TT web site.  The new  
version
supports gas prices, traffic, etc. off the TT site but of course  
I'm too

cheap for that.

Eventually I splurged and got a dock for the new phone (from the  
Dollar
Tree) so I could hang it under the rearview mirror, but for a while  
I just

stuck it on the dash in front of the speedometer. :)

-Tim

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Re: [MBZ] GPS (again)

2010-03-18 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
I downloaded a free app from somewhere for my blackberry, works great.  
I think it was actually google maps, it will show your location, give 
you directions etc.  I dont use it but I thought it was neat.


Dieselhead wrote:

I guess that this is probably as dangerous as a oil thread

Daughter needs a gps that talks.  I don't like em...  so I have not 
studied up.  What is the current wisdom of this groups about the GPS 
wars?


Here are the parameters:

1.  She will probably be switching cars,
So a Catheyesque Becker transplant is probably not feasible.
Having to plug  cord into a Cig lighter is undesirable.

2.  She wants one that talks

3.  She will be primarily NOT in major metro areas.
(so maps that are accurate in rural/less populous areas are needed)



She can get an app for her phone, but good ol CanYaHearMeNow wants an 
additional $60 a month to be able to use the gps app.  And we thought 
MaBell was hard to get along with!


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Re: [MBZ] GPS (again)

2010-03-18 Thread MG
Don't know about Mac centric but I did see these that did 
interest me because they have a lot more uses then just as a GPS 
and the screen is nice and big.


http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.26367

and

http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.31523


Manfred



Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 00:32:08 -0500
From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] GPS (again)


Why?
Why?
Why?
The box says nothing.  the maps appear to be the same.   The
salesSalmanders say the maps are all the same now.  I saw no navteq
indications on any brand.   I can find nothing that justifies the
price differential.  I liked the Magellan because the box had some
specifications at least.  Gamin had the LEAST info.

At least when someone recommends buying a Mac, there are reasons.

Are any brands more Mac centric?



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Re: [MBZ] GPS (again)

2010-03-18 Thread Tim C.
 I downloaded a free app from somewhere for my blackberry, works great.  
 I think it was actually google maps, it will show your location, give 
 you directions etc.  I dont use it but I thought it was neat.


Google Maps will give you directions from your location to wherever, but 
it won't track you and provide verbal cues while you are going.

-Tim

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Re: [MBZ] GPS (again)

2010-03-18 Thread Tim C.

 Verizon keeps it locked down pretty tight.  There is PKI based  
 authentication between the phone and the PDE...
 
 A-GPS will not work without a connection to the PDE.

Guess I'm spoiled on my Sprint HTC, since I get GPS without assistance 
everywhere outdoors, and in all kinds of applications.  Does that mean 
Verizon users can't use Google Maps?

  It is an LG that is some kind of a fake iphone type thing  
  (touchscreen)  Can it be unlocked so that an app will work without  
  Canyahearmenow's  $60 /month ripoff for data service?

Looks like no, even if you can get directly to the GPS chip; the two LGs I 
found matching that description run a proprietary OS.

Best,
-Tim

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Re: [MBZ] GPS (again)

2010-03-18 Thread OK Don
*Go to Amazon (**http://tinyurl.com/yg2j3r7**), search for Garmin Nuvi,
click most any model (I did the Nuvi255W), then scroll down the page to:*

Which nüvi is Best for You?
Note: All nüvis come with detailed NAVTEQ maps containing more than 6
million pre-loaded point of interest locations.

*This is a chart listing all the features of all the models for your
comparison pleasure.
*
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 11:32 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

 Why?
 Why?
 Why?
 The box says nothing.  the maps appear to be the same.   The
 salesSalmanders say the maps are all the same now.  I saw no navteq
 indications on any brand.   I can find nothing that justifies the price
 differential.  I liked the Magellan because the box had some specifications
 at least.  Gamin had the LEAST info.

 At least when someone recommends buying a Mac, there are reasons.

 Are any brands more Mac centric?



 Here are the answers:

 1. Garmin

 2. Garmin

 3. Garmin

 Had a handheld for years that I used for backpacking.  Now it rides on my
 bike in a cradle.  Topo and surface street maps, whichever I choose.

 When I was doing work for an OGS (other government agency) back in the
 day, they worked with Garmins.

 Dan

 --- On Wed, 3/17/10, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

  From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com
  Subject: [MBZ] GPS (again)
  To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 2:56 PM
  I guess that this is probably as
  dangerous as a oil thread

  Daughter needs a gps that talks.  I don't like
  em...  so I have not studied up.  What is the
  current wisdom of this groups about the GPS wars?

  Here are the parameters:

  1.  She will probably be switching cars,
  So a Catheyesque Becker transplant is probably not
  feasible.
  Having to plug  cord into a Cig lighter is
  undesirable.

  2.  She wants one that talks

  3.  She will be primarily NOT in major metro areas.
  (so maps that are accurate in rural/less populous areas are
  needed)



  She can get an app for her phone, but good ol
  CanYaHearMeNow wants an additional $60 a month to be able to
  use the gps app.  And we thought MaBell was hard to get
  along with!

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Re: [MBZ] GPS (again)

2010-03-18 Thread Greg Fiorentino
Why Garmin?

I have been a Magellan handheld GPS owner for 8 years or so, and a member of
an active Magellan mailing list for about that long.  At the time my wife
bought the Meridian Gold for me it was arguably the best technology out
there.  It is good hardware and still useful.  Customer service and support
for the unit from Magellan is execrable!!!  Garmin, OTOH has very good
support.  The NUVI itself is very good and just works.  Without the online
community the old Magellan would be nearly worthless.  BTW, all the
knowledgeable members of the Magellan Meridian list sadly acknowledge that
Garmin, not Magellan now makes the best stuff.  There might be other units
out there with written descriptions that look like they have better
features, but experienced GPS users will tell you that Garmin is the company
that makes the best stuff now and definitely provides better support.

My only connection with the company is as a very satisfied customer (and
that the wife happens to be a Kansan).

For those who don't know, OGA is the term used in intelligence circles for
the agency whose name must not be spoken.

Greg

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On Behalf Of Dieselhead
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 10:32 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] GPS (again)

Why?
Why?
Why?
The box says nothing.  the maps appear to be the same.   The 
salesSalmanders say the maps are all the same now.  I saw no navteq 
indications on any brand.   I can find nothing that justifies the 
price differential.  I liked the Magellan because the box had some 
specifications at least.  Gamin had the LEAST info.

At least when someone recommends buying a Mac, there are reasons.

Are any brands more Mac centric?


Here are the answers:

1. Garmin

2. Garmin

3. Garmin

Had a handheld for years that I used for backpacking.  Now it rides 
on my bike in a cradle.  Topo and surface street maps, whichever I 
choose.

When I was doing work for an OGS (other government agency) back in 
the day, they worked with Garmins.

Dan

--- On Wed, 3/17/10, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

  From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com
  Subject: [MBZ] GPS (again)
  To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 2:56 PM
  I guess that this is probably as
  dangerous as a oil thread

  Daughter needs a gps that talks.  I don't like
  em...  so I have not studied up.  What is the
  current wisdom of this groups about the GPS wars?

  Here are the parameters:

  1.  She will probably be switching cars,
  So a Catheyesque Becker transplant is probably not
  feasible.
  Having to plug  cord into a Cig lighter is
  undesirable.

  2.  She wants one that talks

  3.  She will be primarily NOT in major metro areas.
  (so maps that are accurate in rural/less populous areas are
  needed)



  She can get an app for her phone, but good ol
  CanYaHearMeNow wants an additional $60 a month to be able to
  use the gps app.  And we thought MaBell was hard to get
  along with!

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Re: [MBZ] GPS (again)

2010-03-18 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

the one I have will track you, does not give verbal cues though.

Tim C. wrote:
I downloaded a free app from somewhere for my blackberry, works great.  
I think it was actually google maps, it will show your location, give 
you directions etc.  I dont use it but I thought it was neat.




Google Maps will give you directions from your location to wherever, but 
it won't track you and provide verbal cues while you are going.


-Tim

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Re: [MBZ] GPS (again)

2010-03-17 Thread Rich Thomas
I think most of them talk these days, even the ones that are like $100.  
You want to check if they announce turns with sufficient notice to 
actually make the turn.  There are basically 2 map providers (or it 
might be one now, one of them got bought by some other company a few 
months back) so you (maybe) have a choice, but in any case I would get 
the one with lifetime updates.  The more expensive ones have bluetooth 
and all kinds of other things (plug in cards to play music, etc.) which 
are mostly unnecessary.  You can get a couple of screen sizes and some 
of them show a 3D view.


Garmin and TomTom seem to be the leading providers though there are some 
other brands out there, both seem to be pretty good if you get the right 
features.  I had a problem with my Garmin I ended up doing brain surgery 
on it (out of warranty) to get it working, but when the mount socket 
broke they sent me a new one, no questions asked after maybe 2-3 years.  
You could probably find a used on on CL fairly cheap.


Internal batteries maybe have a couple hours capacity, you really need 
to plug them in.


-R

On 3/17/2010 2:56 PM, Dieselhead wrote:

I guess that this is probably as dangerous as a oil thread

Daughter needs a gps that talks.  I don't like em...  so I have not 
studied up.  What is the current wisdom of this groups about the GPS 
wars?


Here are the parameters:

1.  She will probably be switching cars,
So a Catheyesque Becker transplant is probably not feasible.
Having to plug  cord into a Cig lighter is undesirable.

2.  She wants one that talks

3.  She will be primarily NOT in major metro areas.
(so maps that are accurate in rural/less populous areas are needed)



She can get an app for her phone, but good ol CanYaHearMeNow wants an 
additional $60 a month to be able to use the gps app.  And we thought 
MaBell was hard to get along with!


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Re: [MBZ] GPS (again)

2010-03-17 Thread Greg Fiorentino
My family have several Garmins, at less than $100 from egghead or Amazon.
They do the job well.  Lifetime map upgrades would be nice (pretty
expensive, I think), but I think maps are very useable for 5 years or more.
By that time technology usually obsoletes models.  I had to use their
customer service once.  An intelligent human in Olathe KS answered right
away and set me to rights quickly.  Battery life is a few hours, plug in to
lighter required for longer trips.

Greg

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Dieselhead
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 11:56 AM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] GPS (again)

I guess that this is probably as dangerous as a oil thread

Daughter needs a gps that talks.  I don't like em...  so I have not 
studied up.  What is the current wisdom of this groups about the GPS 
wars?

Here are the parameters:

1.  She will probably be switching cars,
So a Catheyesque Becker transplant is probably not feasible.
Having to plug  cord into a Cig lighter is undesirable.

2.  She wants one that talks

3.  She will be primarily NOT in major metro areas.
(so maps that are accurate in rural/less populous areas are needed)



She can get an app for her phone, but good ol CanYaHearMeNow wants an 
additional $60 a month to be able to use the gps app.  And we thought 
MaBell was hard to get along with!

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Re: [MBZ] GPS (again)

2010-03-17 Thread Peter T. Arnold
GArmin, state of the art.  It's the Apple of GPR.  My Nuvi was about 
$200 at SAMs Club, even routes me around traffic.


Big problem, I'm sloppy and have had 2 of them stolen.

Voice prompts are a waste of time, very distracting.  I turm mine off.

My wifes $79 Magellan will get her around just fine.

I wouldn't be without one.

A big money saver when you calculate the miles saved.


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On 3/17/2010 2:56 PM, Dieselhead wrote:

I guess that this is probably as dangerous as a oil thread

Daughter needs a gps that talks.  I don't like em...  so I have not 
studied up.  What is the current wisdom of this groups about the GPS 
wars?


Here are the parameters:

1.  She will probably be switching cars,
So a Catheyesque Becker transplant is probably not feasible.
Having to plug  cord into a Cig lighter is undesirable.

2.  She wants one that talks

3.  She will be primarily NOT in major metro areas.
(so maps that are accurate in rural/less populous areas are needed)



She can get an app for her phone, but good ol CanYaHearMeNow wants an 
additional $60 a month to be able to use the gps app.  And we thought 
MaBell was hard to get along with!


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Re: [MBZ] GPS (again)

2010-03-17 Thread LWB250
Here are the answers:

1. Garmin

2. Garmin

3. Garmin

Had a handheld for years that I used for backpacking.  Now it rides on my bike 
in a cradle.  Topo and surface street maps, whichever I choose.

When I was doing work for an OGS (other government agency) back in the day, 
they worked with Garmins.

Dan

--- On Wed, 3/17/10, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com
 Subject: [MBZ] GPS (again)
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 2:56 PM
 I guess that this is probably as
 dangerous as a oil thread
 
 Daughter needs a gps that talks.  I don't like
 em...  so I have not studied up.  What is the
 current wisdom of this groups about the GPS wars?
 
 Here are the parameters:
 
 1.  She will probably be switching cars,
 So a Catheyesque Becker transplant is probably not
 feasible.
 Having to plug  cord into a Cig lighter is
 undesirable.
 
 2.  She wants one that talks
 
 3.  She will be primarily NOT in major metro areas.
 (so maps that are accurate in rural/less populous areas are
 needed)
 
 
 
 She can get an app for her phone, but good ol
 CanYaHearMeNow wants an additional $60 a month to be able to
 use the gps app.  And we thought MaBell was hard to get
 along with!
 
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Re: [MBZ] GPS (again)

2010-03-17 Thread Rich Thomas
What kind is that?  I was thinking to get one for my bike, but the 
bike-specific Garmins are muy spendy.


--R

On 3/17/2010 6:10 PM, LWB250 wrote:

Here are the answers:

1. Garmin

2. Garmin

3. Garmin

Had a handheld for years that I used for backpacking.  Now it rides on my bike 
in a cradle.  Topo and surface street maps, whichever I choose.

When I was doing work for an OGS (other government agency) back in the day, 
they worked with Garmins.

Dan

--- On Wed, 3/17/10, Dieselhead126die...@gmail.com  wrote:

   

From: Dieselhead126die...@gmail.com
Subject: [MBZ] GPS (again)
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 2:56 PM
I guess that this is probably as
dangerous as a oil thread

Daughter needs a gps that talks.  I don't like
em...  so I have not studied up.  What is the
current wisdom of this groups about the GPS wars?

Here are the parameters:

1.  She will probably be switching cars,
So a Catheyesque Becker transplant is probably not
feasible.
Having to plug  cord into a Cig lighter is
undesirable.

2.  She wants one that talks

3.  She will be primarily NOT in major metro areas.
(so maps that are accurate in rural/less populous areas are
needed)



She can get an app for her phone, but good ol
CanYaHearMeNow wants an additional $60 a month to be able to
use the gps app.  And we thought MaBell was hard to get
along with!

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Re: [MBZ] GPS (again)

2010-03-17 Thread OK Don
We really like our Garmiin Nuvi 255W. The voice is great in crowded,
strange-to-you highways in big cities.

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 4:10 PM, LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Here are the answers:

 1. Garmin

 2. Garmin

 3. Garmin

 Had a handheld for years that I used for backpacking.  Now it rides on my
 bike in a cradle.  Topo and surface street maps, whichever I choose.

 When I was doing work for an OGS (other government agency) back in the
 day, they worked with Garmins.

 Dan




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Re: [MBZ] GPS (again)

2010-03-17 Thread Tim C.
 She can get an app for her phone, but good ol CanYaHearMeNow wants an 
 additional $60 a month to be able to use the gps app.  And we thought 
 MaBell was hard to get along with!

What kind of phone?  On my Windows Mobile I have the TomTom software ($40 
with a dock for my Treo, which died long ago) and have been surprisingly 
pleased, and no Navigon = no cell provider fee.  It is a prettier display 
than our old eMap (think that was a Garmin) and I'm less likely to forget 
it in the car, too.  Directions are more reliable than our Ford built-in, 
and I think you can order updates from the TT web site.  The new version 
supports gas prices, traffic, etc. off the TT site but of course I'm too 
cheap for that.

Eventually I splurged and got a dock for the new phone (from the Dollar 
Tree) so I could hang it under the rearview mirror, but for a while I just 
stuck it on the dash in front of the speedometer. :)

-Tim

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Re: [MBZ] GPS (again)

2010-03-17 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
As, others have said, Garmin.  Take it from someone who works in the
industry.

As for other brands... get one that uses NavTeq maps.  They will have the
NavTeq logo on the box.  The quality of their data, especially for rural
areas, is quite good.

Jaime


On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

 I guess that this is probably as dangerous as a oil thread

 Daughter needs a gps that talks.  I don't like em...  so I have not studied
 up.  What is the current wisdom of this groups about the GPS wars?

 Here are the parameters:

 1.  She will probably be switching cars,
 So a Catheyesque Becker transplant is probably not feasible.
 Having to plug  cord into a Cig lighter is undesirable.

 2.  She wants one that talks

 3.  She will be primarily NOT in major metro areas.
 (so maps that are accurate in rural/less populous areas are needed)



 She can get an app for her phone, but good ol CanYaHearMeNow wants an
 additional $60 a month to be able to use the gps app.  And we thought MaBell
 was hard to get along with!

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Re: [MBZ] GPS (again)

2010-03-17 Thread John Reames
The ummm vendor locks out true GPS, so you have to use assisted GPS,  
and the server that you need to connects to requires a digital  
certificate before it will talk to you.


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On Mar 17, 2010, at 19:19, Tim C. bb...@crone.us wrote:


She can get an app for her phone, but good ol CanYaHearMeNow wants an
additional $60 a month to be able to use the gps app.  And we thought
MaBell was hard to get along with!


What kind of phone?  On my Windows Mobile I have the TomTom software  
($40
with a dock for my Treo, which died long ago) and have been  
surprisingly
pleased, and no Navigon = no cell provider fee.  It is a prettier  
display
than our old eMap (think that was a Garmin) and I'm less likely to  
forget
it in the car, too.  Directions are more reliable than our Ford  
built-in,
and I think you can order updates from the TT web site.  The new  
version
supports gas prices, traffic, etc. off the TT site but of course I'm  
too

cheap for that.

Eventually I splurged and got a dock for the new phone (from the  
Dollar
Tree) so I could hang it under the rearview mirror, but for a while  
I just

stuck it on the dash in front of the speedometer. :)

-Tim

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Re: [MBZ] GPS (again)

2010-03-17 Thread Greg Fiorentino
In addition to the Garmin I have a very old Magellan Meridian Gold.  It has
a BW display and old topo non-3D maps.  But it is superior to the new
Garmin NUVI for off-road use.  I have upgraded the firmware a few times and
it is still very useful (but does not do routing or voice like a proper
automotive GPS).

Greg

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On Behalf Of Rich Thomas
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 3:25 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] GPS (again)

What kind is that?  I was thinking to get one for my bike, but the 
bike-specific Garmins are muy spendy.

--R

On 3/17/2010 6:10 PM, LWB250 wrote:
 Here are the answers:

 1. Garmin

 2. Garmin

 3. Garmin

 Had a handheld for years that I used for backpacking.  Now it rides on my
bike in a cradle.  Topo and surface street maps, whichever I choose.

 When I was doing work for an OGS (other government agency) back in the
day, they worked with Garmins.

 Dan

 --- On Wed, 3/17/10, Dieselhead126die...@gmail.com  wrote:


 From: Dieselhead126die...@gmail.com
 Subject: [MBZ] GPS (again)
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 2:56 PM
 I guess that this is probably as
 dangerous as a oil thread

 Daughter needs a gps that talks.  I don't like
 em...  so I have not studied up.  What is the
 current wisdom of this groups about the GPS wars?

 Here are the parameters:

 1.  She will probably be switching cars,
 So a Catheyesque Becker transplant is probably not
 feasible.
 Having to plug  cord into a Cig lighter is
 undesirable.

 2.  She wants one that talks

 3.  She will be primarily NOT in major metro areas.
 (so maps that are accurate in rural/less populous areas are
 needed)



 She can get an app for her phone, but good ol
 CanYaHearMeNow wants an additional $60 a month to be able to
 use the gps app.  And we thought MaBell was hard to get
 along with!

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Re: [MBZ] GPS (again)

2010-03-17 Thread Dieselhead
We looked at squallmart  Tomtom is made in india, Magellan is Kalif. 
and Garmin is KC  Magellan had the most info on  the box, and seemed 
to be the best value there. (139) Vs garmin at 169 and tomtom at 139. 
I ruled out the cheaper ones that say turn right over a block before 
you get to the street.  the $140 to 170 range gets you one that sez, 
turn right at Striplin St. rather than turn right.   I can see 
where that can save a lot of time.  (provided there are actual street 
signs in the area.)


None of those had lifetime updates.

I think most of them talk these days, even the ones that are like 
$100.  You want to check if they announce turns with sufficient 
notice to actually make the turn.  There are basically 2 map 
providers (or it might be one now, one of them got bought by some 
other company a few months back) so you (maybe) have a choice, but 
in any case I would get the one with lifetime updates.  The more 
expensive ones have bluetooth and all kinds of other things (plug in 
cards to play music, etc.) which are mostly unnecessary.  You can 
get a couple of screen sizes and some of them show a 3D view.


Garmin and TomTom seem to be the leading providers though there are 
some other brands out there, both seem to be pretty good if you get 
the right features.  I had a problem with my Garmin I ended up doing 
brain surgery on it (out of warranty) to get it working, but when 
the mount socket broke they sent me a new one, no questions asked 
after maybe 2-3 years.  You could probably find a used on on CL 
fairly cheap.


Internal batteries maybe have a couple hours capacity, you really 
need to plug them in.


-R

On 3/17/2010 2:56 PM, Dieselhead wrote:

I guess that this is probably as dangerous as a oil thread

Daughter needs a gps that talks.  I don't like em...  so I have not 
studied up.  What is the current wisdom of this groups about the 
GPS wars?


Here are the parameters:

1.  She will probably be switching cars,
So a Catheyesque Becker transplant is probably not feasible.
Having to plug  cord into a Cig lighter is undesirable.

2.  She wants one that talks

3.  She will be primarily NOT in major metro areas.
(so maps that are accurate in rural/less populous areas are needed)



She can get an app for her phone, but good ol CanYaHearMeNow wants 
an additional $60 a month to be able to use the gps app.  And we 
thought MaBell was hard to get along with!


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Re: [MBZ] GPS (again)

2010-03-17 Thread Dieselhead
It is an LG that is some kind of a fake iphone type thing 
(touchscreen)  Can it be unlocked so that an app will work without 
Canyahearmenow's  $60 /month ripoff for data service?




  She can get an app for her phone, but good ol CanYaHearMeNow wants an

 additional $60 a month to be able to use the gps app.  And we thought
 MaBell was hard to get along with!


What kind of phone?  On my Windows Mobile I have the TomTom software ($40
with a dock for my Treo, which died long ago) and have been surprisingly
pleased, and no Navigon = no cell provider fee.  It is a prettier display
than our old eMap (think that was a Garmin) and I'm less likely to forget
it in the car, too.  Directions are more reliable than our Ford built-in,
and I think you can order updates from the TT web site.  The new version
supports gas prices, traffic, etc. off the TT site but of course I'm too
cheap for that.

Eventually I splurged and got a dock for the new phone (from the Dollar
Tree) so I could hang it under the rearview mirror, but for a while I just
stuck it on the dash in front of the speedometer. :)

-Tim

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Re: [MBZ] GPS (again)

2010-03-17 Thread Dieselhead

Why?
Why?
Why?
The box says nothing.  the maps appear to be the same.   The 
salesSalmanders say the maps are all the same now.  I saw no navteq 
indications on any brand.   I can find nothing that justifies the 
price differential.  I liked the Magellan because the box had some 
specifications at least.  Gamin had the LEAST info.


At least when someone recommends buying a Mac, there are reasons.

Are any brands more Mac centric?



Here are the answers:

1. Garmin

2. Garmin

3. Garmin

Had a handheld for years that I used for backpacking.  Now it rides 
on my bike in a cradle.  Topo and surface street maps, whichever I 
choose.


When I was doing work for an OGS (other government agency) back in 
the day, they worked with Garmins.


Dan

--- On Wed, 3/17/10, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:


 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com
 Subject: [MBZ] GPS (again)
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 2:56 PM
 I guess that this is probably as
 dangerous as a oil thread

 Daughter needs a gps that talks.  I don't like
 em...  so I have not studied up.  What is the
 current wisdom of this groups about the GPS wars?

 Here are the parameters:

 1.  She will probably be switching cars,
 So a Catheyesque Becker transplant is probably not
 feasible.
 Having to plug  cord into a Cig lighter is
 undesirable.

 2.  She wants one that talks

 3.  She will be primarily NOT in major metro areas.
 (so maps that are accurate in rural/less populous areas are
 needed)



 She can get an app for her phone, but good ol
 CanYaHearMeNow wants an additional $60 a month to be able to
 use the gps app.  And we thought MaBell was hard to get
 along with!

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Re: [MBZ] GPS question

2008-09-08 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Lowrance Iway 500C, actually, their new one is the 600c I believe.

Wonko the Sane wrote:
 I have never owned a GPS. Want to fix that.
 
 I have two requirements.
 
 1. Anal-retentive as I am, I would like to get a true mph reading so I know
 how far off my speedometers are. This is hopefully cheap.
 
 2. I want turn-by-turn directions -- or at least a good map -- to drive
 around in new surroundings. Would need to have maps available for rural
 areas such as Iowa, not just big cities.
 
 What should I get for requirement #1, and can I move up to requirement #2
 for not that much more money?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] GPS question

2008-09-05 Thread pm7088

 -- Original message --
From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 I have never owned a GPS. Want to fix that.
 
 I have two requirements.
I've used a Garmin StreetPilot for several years, big and clunky, G.P.S. 
Function only.  Mine model has a remote control which is very handy.  Kind of 
pricey in it's day.  Maps cost about $150 to update, which I do every other 
year.
I just bought a Refurb Magellon from Tiger for $89, for my wives car, as with 
all electronics the thing has improved about 200% over mine.  MAps are in 3D, 
making it very user friendly for her.
I specifically do not want a multifunction unit, just GPS function.

Pete


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Re: [MBZ] GPS question

2008-09-05 Thread Curt Raymond
Interesting, mine has never posted any outlandish speeds like that. I had it on 
the Acela once and got it to read at 148mph just as the conductor came on the 
speaker to say we have now reached out maximum speed of 150mph

I don't give a spit for turn by turn so it works great for me. I especially 
like it when I've got directions and I'm starting to wonder did I miss my 
turn? Dial in the map to the right zoom level and I can tell...

-Curt

--- On Thu, 9/4/08, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] GPS question
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 10:15 PM

Our etrex Legend does OK for navigating, has helped us find our way
around new territory, but has a nasty habit of posting occasional
un-realistic speeds and distances. Like the time I took it on our
evening walk arouond the neighborhood, and at one point it read 450MPH
for a couple of miles and back.  It logged the max speed of the '92
300D 2.5T at 612MPH on one trip. Other wise, it does the job. It does
not talk or tell me where to turn, just where I am, and where I've
been.
This is on my want list --
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000UX9YJ0/ref=ord_cart_shr?_encoding=UTF8m=ATVPDKIKX0DERv=glance

It's gone up in price recently, but is supposed to be an older model,
what's up with that? Is the $ slipping again?


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Re: [MBZ] GPS question

2008-09-05 Thread Rich Thomas
You need to be careful about a GPS on the motorcycle -- vibrations are 
not good for the unit, bright sunlight, and the mount needs to be much 
more sturdy than what the car mount is.  I think Garmin has some 
specifically for motorcycles.  I think all the units pretty much use the 
same map set.

I have a Garmin 750 or 950 or something like that, it does everything.

--R

Wonko the Sane wrote:
 Actually, I want it more for places like Des Moines and Minneapolis.

 However, it would be nice to just get on the motorcycle and ride
 newly-discovered county roads without keeping track of where I am -- then
 look down and know exactly where I am. I don't like popping out on a major
 road then having to stop, pull out a map, and see where I am and where I
 should go next.

 If I am going to buy, I want coverage locally as well as in the cities.

 Plus, I've always liked toys.

 On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 7:55 PM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

   
 Gettin lost in the cornfields again?   All you have to do is keep
 driving in one direction, and you will come out on a paved road
 within a few miles! ;)



 


   
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Re: [MBZ] GPS question

2008-09-05 Thread Wonko the Sane
My motorcycle doesn't vibrate much -- it is an I-4, not a V-Twin.  wink

On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 8:25 AM, Rich Thomas 
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 You need to be careful about a GPS on the motorcycle -- vibrations are
 not good for the unit,




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Re: [MBZ] GPS question

2008-09-05 Thread Bill R
You make all your wives share the same car?  How cruel.
BillR

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 -- Original message --
From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 I have never owned a GPS. Want to fix that.
 
 I have two requirements.
I've used a Garmin StreetPilot for several years, big and clunky, G.P.S.
Function only.  Mine model has a remote control which is very handy.  Kind
of pricey in it's day.  Maps cost about $150 to update, which I do every
other year.
I just bought a Refurb Magellon from Tiger for $89, for my wives car, as
with all electronics the thing has improved about 200% over mine.  MAps are
in 3D, making it very user friendly for her.
I specifically do not want a multifunction unit, just GPS function.

Pete


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Re: [MBZ] GPS question

2008-09-04 Thread Wilton Strickland
'Just got a Garmin 750 ($299) at Sam's 2 weeks ago.  Remind me your address,
and I'll tell ya what Iowa country roads are on it.  'Gives turn-by-turn by
voice, shows map with running present position (I used to call it a running
fix in B-52's), shows turns coming up on map, shows MPH, much more.

Wilton

- Original Message -
From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 8:18 PM
Subject: [MBZ] GPS question


 I have never owned a GPS. Want to fix that.

 I have two requirements.

 1. Anal-retentive as I am, I would like to get a true mph reading so I
know
 how far off my speedometers are. This is hopefully cheap.

 2. I want turn-by-turn directions -- or at least a good map -- to drive
 around in new surroundings. Would need to have maps available for rural
 areas such as Iowa, not just big cities.

 What should I get for requirement #1, and can I move up to requirement #2
 for not that much more money?





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Re: [MBZ] GPS question

2008-09-04 Thread Wonko the Sane
We had a map thing in the HH-3F (late 1970s) -- you put a paper map on the
display and Loran C would punch a hole (using a pin) every so often to mark
your route and position.

Hard to believe that Loran C was the baddest kid on the block in those days
-- the plane I flew in (nav position) still used Loran A.

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 7:28 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 shows map with running present position (I used to call it a running
 fix in B-52's),




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Re: [MBZ] GPS question

2008-09-04 Thread Wilton Strickland
'Just called up Jefferson on my Garmin 750.  'Shows 150th and 160th Streets
(East-West) and K Ave and Cr-P16 (North-South), for example, with nothing
between.  Or 170/180 (E-W) and M/L (N-S) nothing between.

Wilton

- Original Message -
From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 8:18 PM
Subject: [MBZ] GPS question


 I have never owned a GPS. Want to fix that.

 I have two requirements.

 1. Anal-retentive as I am, I would like to get a true mph reading so I
know
 how far off my speedometers are. This is hopefully cheap.

 2. I want turn-by-turn directions -- or at least a good map -- to drive
 around in new surroundings. Would need to have maps available for rural
 areas such as Iowa, not just big cities.

 What should I get for requirement #1, and can I move up to requirement #2
 for not that much more money?





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Re: [MBZ] GPS question

2008-09-04 Thread Wonko the Sane
County roads increment by 10s. Nothing between 150th and 160th except corn
and soybeans.

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 7:45 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 'Just called up Jefferson on my Garmin 750.  'Shows 150th and 160th Streets
 (East-West) and K Ave and Cr-P16 (North-South), for example, with nothing
 between.  Or 170/180 (E-W) and M/L (N-S) nothing between.

 Wilton

 - Original Message -
 From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 8:18 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] GPS question


  I have never owned a GPS. Want to fix that.
 
  I have two requirements.
 
  1. Anal-retentive as I am, I would like to get a true mph reading so I
 know
  how far off my speedometers are. This is hopefully cheap.
 
  2. I want turn-by-turn directions -- or at least a good map -- to drive
  around in new surroundings. Would need to have maps available for rural
  areas such as Iowa, not just big cities.
 
  What should I get for requirement #1, and can I move up to requirement #2
  for not that much more money?
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] GPS question

2008-09-04 Thread Wilton Strickland
B-52 never had Loran (depends on outside source); had very good RADAR.
They're using GPS now, too.  Yeah, I know - outside source.

Wilton

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 We had a map thing in the HH-3F (late 1970s) -- you put a paper map on
the
 display and Loran C would punch a hole (using a pin) every so often to
mark
 your route and position.

 Hard to believe that Loran C was the baddest kid on the block in those
days
 -- the plane I flew in (nav position) still used Loran A.

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  shows map with running present position (I used to call it a running
  fix in B-52's),
 



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Re: [MBZ] GPS question

2008-09-04 Thread Wonko the Sane
Hey, you can see my weekend motorcycle route.

Highway 4 south, 290th street west, E avenue north, E53 east, residential
streets home.

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 'Just called up Jefferson on my Garmin 750.  'Shows 150th and 160th Streets
 (East-West) and K Ave and Cr-P16 (North-South), for example, with nothing
 between.  Or 170/180 (E-W) and M/L (N-S) nothing between.

 Wilton

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 To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 8:18 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] GPS question


  I have never owned a GPS. Want to fix that.
 
  I have two requirements.
 
  1. Anal-retentive as I am, I would like to get a true mph reading so I
 know
  how far off my speedometers are. This is hopefully cheap.
 
  2. I want turn-by-turn directions -- or at least a good map -- to drive
  around in new surroundings. Would need to have maps available for rural
  areas such as Iowa, not just big cities.
 
  What should I get for requirement #1, and can I move up to requirement #2
  for not that much more money?
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] GPS question

2008-09-04 Thread Wonko the Sane
But the Coast Guard ran the Loran stations, so I knew they were reliable.

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 B-52 never had Loran (depends on outside source); had very good RADAR.
 They're using GPS now, too.  Yeah, I know - outside source.

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Re: [MBZ] GPS question

2008-09-04 Thread Bill R
Don - My first was a CF card GPS [about $100 8 or 9 year agoi] that would
work on MS streets and trips with my laptop.  I don't think it would do MPH,
but never tried.  I used it with my handheld Pocket PC.  Second was a Garmin
ColorMap for $22 at a Salvation Army store.  It did fine with the MPH and
map, but could have used better maps - which would have cost many times the
price of the unit.  It would eat a set of batteries in no time, so a car
adaptor was a necessity.  My current one is a TomTom built into my IPAQ
RX5915.  Detailed maps of the entire US, down to some of the dirt roads, is
built in - about 2G worth, with [thus far] free updates every year or so.  I
buy mine from eBay and get the warranty because I often am using it 2 -4
hours a day.  It does voice turn by turn and gives about all the information
you might want, plus is a great hand held computer.  I wear it on a belt
clip and have a bag in the car with a Bluetooth keyboard and a Bluetooth
mouse so I can use MS Office Mobile and any number of other programs and
games, and listen to music and watch videos on it.  Great for folks who
travel a lot - like I did for a lot of years.  That unit is selling on eBay
for about $300 - though if you want the separate keyboard and mouse they are
aftermarket - I have done a lot of writing with mine. It also has built in
WIFI to connect to the internet.  IT should be possible to mate it with a
Bluetooth phone and not need to find a hot spot, which would also give you
access to the advanced features of the TOmTom.
BillR  

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Subject: [MBZ] GPS question

I have never owned a GPS. Want to fix that.

I have two requirements.

1. Anal-retentive as I am, I would like to get a true mph reading so I know
how far off my speedometers are. This is hopefully cheap.

2. I want turn-by-turn directions -- or at least a good map -- to drive
around in new surroundings. Would need to have maps available for rural
areas such as Iowa, not just big cities.

What should I get for requirement #1, and can I move up to requirement #2
for not that much more money?





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Re: [MBZ] GPS question

2008-09-04 Thread Wilton Strickland
'Thought that may be the case; that's what I'm seeing.

Wilton

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Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 8:48 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] GPS question


 County roads increment by 10s. Nothing between 150th and 160th except corn
 and soybeans.

 On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 7:45 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

  'Just called up Jefferson on my Garmin 750.  'Shows 150th and 160th
Streets
  (East-West) and K Ave and Cr-P16 (North-South), for example, with
nothing
  between.  Or 170/180 (E-W) and M/L (N-S) nothing between.
 
  Wilton
 
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  From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 8:18 PM
  Subject: [MBZ] GPS question
 
 
   I have never owned a GPS. Want to fix that.
  
   I have two requirements.
  
   1. Anal-retentive as I am, I would like to get a true mph reading so I
  know
   how far off my speedometers are. This is hopefully cheap.
  
   2. I want turn-by-turn directions -- or at least a good map -- to
drive
   around in new surroundings. Would need to have maps available for
rural
   areas such as Iowa, not just big cities.
  
   What should I get for requirement #1, and can I move up to requirement
#2
   for not that much more money?
  
  
  
  
  
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Re: [MBZ] GPS question

2008-09-04 Thread Wilton Strickland
Yeah, I know, too, we could depend on USCG, but we didn't wanna depend on
something the other guys could knock out if they thought we big boys had
to have it..

Wilton

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Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 8:56 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] GPS question


 But the Coast Guard ran the Loran stations, so I knew they were reliable.

 On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 7:50 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

  B-52 never had Loran (depends on outside source); had very good RADAR.
  They're using GPS now, too.  Yeah, I know - outside source.
 
  Wilton
 
 
 


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Re: [MBZ] GPS question

2008-09-04 Thread Loren Faeth
Gettin lost in the cornfields again?   All you have to do is keep 
driving in one direction, and you will come out on a paved road 
within a few miles! ;)

At 07:18 PM 9/4/2008, you wrote:
I have never owned a GPS. Want to fix that.

I have two requirements.

1. Anal-retentive as I am, I would like to get a true mph reading so I know
how far off my speedometers are. This is hopefully cheap.

2. I want turn-by-turn directions -- or at least a good map -- to drive
around in new surroundings. Would need to have maps available for rural
areas such as Iowa, not just big cities.

What should I get for requirement #1, and can I move up to requirement #2
for not that much more money?





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Re: [MBZ] GPS question

2008-09-04 Thread Wonko the Sane
Where I routinely flew (100/150 miles east of Cape Cod, at or below 100
feet) I couldn't get a whole lot of radar fixes on land. We zigged and
zagged too much for dead reckoning. I could DR fine if necessary (home was
always west of us and there would be an airport somewhere) but my fixes --
we were enforcing fishery zone treaties against those evil Russians and
Japanese factory ships -- had to be taken into court and I had to swear that
I was accurate when I signed the court documents. If I remember, I was
required to be +/- one mile in my fixes. That's tough moving at 130 knots
when you have to pull down two separate Loran A fixes as quickly as
possible. ... These days, you'd just look at the GPS receiver. Wasn't like
that in the 1970s.

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 Yeah, I know, too, we could depend on USCG, but we didn't wanna depend on
 something the other guys could knock out if they thought we big boys had
 to have it..

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Re: [MBZ] GPS question

2008-09-04 Thread Wonko the Sane
Actually, I want it more for places like Des Moines and Minneapolis.

However, it would be nice to just get on the motorcycle and ride
newly-discovered county roads without keeping track of where I am -- then
look down and know exactly where I am. I don't like popping out on a major
road then having to stop, pull out a map, and see where I am and where I
should go next.

If I am going to buy, I want coverage locally as well as in the cities.

Plus, I've always liked toys.

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 Gettin lost in the cornfields again?   All you have to do is keep
 driving in one direction, and you will come out on a paved road
 within a few miles! ;)





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Re: [MBZ] GPS question

2008-09-04 Thread Wilton Strickland
'Shows only 25 N-S between D  F; only Cr-E57 between 280th and 300th.  'Got
E53; 'bet you like the curves between K Ave. and Kirkwood.  You probably
ride all that way looking forward to those curves.  'Bet you go out west of
town often just to do those curves.

Wilton

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Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] GPS question


 Hey, you can see my weekend motorcycle route.

 Highway 4 south, 290th street west, E avenue north, E53 east, residential
 streets home.

 On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 7:45 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

  'Just called up Jefferson on my Garmin 750.  'Shows 150th and 160th
Streets
  (East-West) and K Ave and Cr-P16 (North-South), for example, with
nothing
  between.  Or 170/180 (E-W) and M/L (N-S) nothing between.
 
  Wilton
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 8:18 PM
  Subject: [MBZ] GPS question
 
 
   I have never owned a GPS. Want to fix that.
  
   I have two requirements.
  
   1. Anal-retentive as I am, I would like to get a true mph reading so I
  know
   how far off my speedometers are. This is hopefully cheap.
  
   2. I want turn-by-turn directions -- or at least a good map -- to
drive
   around in new surroundings. Would need to have maps available for
rural
   areas such as Iowa, not just big cities.
  
   What should I get for requirement #1, and can I move up to requirement
#2
   for not that much more money?
  
  
  
  
  
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Re: [MBZ] GPS question

2008-09-04 Thread Wonko the Sane
Highway 25 is another name for that road.

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 8:25 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 'Shows only 25 N-S between D  F; only Cr-E57 between 280th and 300th.
  'Got
 E53; 'bet you like the curves between K Ave. and Kirkwood.  You probably
 ride all that way looking forward to those curves.  'Bet you go out west of
 town often just to do those curves.

 Wilton

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 From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 8:55 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] GPS question


  Hey, you can see my weekend motorcycle route.
 
  Highway 4 south, 290th street west, E avenue north, E53 east, residential
  streets home.
 
  On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 7:45 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
   'Just called up Jefferson on my Garmin 750.  'Shows 150th and 160th
 Streets
   (East-West) and K Ave and Cr-P16 (North-South), for example, with
 nothing
   between.  Or 170/180 (E-W) and M/L (N-S) nothing between.
  
   Wilton
  
   - Original Message -
   From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com
   Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 8:18 PM
   Subject: [MBZ] GPS question
  
  
I have never owned a GPS. Want to fix that.
   
I have two requirements.
   
1. Anal-retentive as I am, I would like to get a true mph reading so
 I
   know
how far off my speedometers are. This is hopefully cheap.
   
2. I want turn-by-turn directions -- or at least a good map -- to
 drive
around in new surroundings. Would need to have maps available for
 rural
areas such as Iowa, not just big cities.
   
What should I get for requirement #1, and can I move up to
 requirement
 #2
for not that much more money?
   
   
   
   
   
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Re: [MBZ] GPS question

2008-09-04 Thread Wilton Strickland
My G-750 covers US.

Wilton

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Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] GPS question


 Actually, I want it more for places like Des Moines and Minneapolis.

 However, it would be nice to just get on the motorcycle and ride
 newly-discovered county roads without keeping track of where I am -- then
 look down and know exactly where I am. I don't like popping out on a major
 road then having to stop, pull out a map, and see where I am and where I
 should go next.

 If I am going to buy, I want coverage locally as well as in the cities.

 Plus, I've always liked toys.

 On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 7:55 PM, Loren Faeth
[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

  Gettin lost in the cornfields again?   All you have to do is keep
  driving in one direction, and you will come out on a paved road
  within a few miles! ;)
 
 
 


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Re: [MBZ] GPS question

2008-09-04 Thread Loren Faeth
Just giving you a ribbin' Nav boy!

At 08:20 PM 9/4/2008, you wrote:
Actually, I want it more for places like Des Moines and Minneapolis.

However, it would be nice to just get on the motorcycle and ride
newly-discovered county roads without keeping track of where I am -- then
look down and know exactly where I am. I don't like popping out on a major
road then having to stop, pull out a map, and see where I am and where I
should go next.

If I am going to buy, I want coverage locally as well as in the cities.

Plus, I've always liked toys.

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 7:55 PM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

  Gettin lost in the cornfields again?   All you have to do is keep
  driving in one direction, and you will come out on a paved road
  within a few miles! ;)
 
 
 


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Re: [MBZ] GPS question

2008-09-04 Thread Curt Raymond
Thats what my etrex showed when we were there. On mine I can load additional 
maps though... Mine also doesn't show much in LA so I'm thinking somewhere 
along the line I deleted the maps west of the Mississippi.

I get loads of resolution around here.

Garmin eTrex Legend, it'll do good mapping and speed/course/etc, in fact about 
any decent low cost GPS will do that. Turn by turn is a bit more spendy. I like 
mine because its small and handy for hiking and whatnot.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 20:45:48 -0400
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'Just called up Jefferson on my Garmin 750.  'Shows 150th and 160th Streets
(East-West) and K Ave and Cr-P16 (North-South), for example, with nothing
between.  Or 170/180 (E-W) and M/L (N-S) nothing between.

Wilton


  
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Re: [MBZ] GPS question

2008-09-04 Thread OK Don
Our etrex Legend does OK for navigating, has helped us find our way
around new territory, but has a nasty habit of posting occasional
un-realistic speeds and distances. Like the time I took it on our
evening walk arouond the neighborhood, and at one point it read 450MPH
for a couple of miles and back.  It logged the max speed of the '92
300D 2.5T at 612MPH on one trip. Other wise, it does the job. It does
not talk or tell me where to turn, just where I am, and where I've
been.
This is on my want list --
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000UX9YJ0/ref=ord_cart_shr?_encoding=UTF8m=ATVPDKIKX0DERv=glance

It's gone up in price recently, but is supposed to be an older model,
what's up with that? Is the $ slipping again?


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Re: [MBZ] GPS question

2008-09-04 Thread Rick Knoble
 However, it would be nice to just get on the motorcycle and ride
 newly-discovered county roads without keeping track of where I am 

Motorcycle friendly GPS units.

Not cheap.
https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?cID=135

http://www.tomtom.com/products/category.php?ID=1Language=4

http://www.gpsnow.com/motorcycle_gps.htm

http://www.buymotorcyclegps.com/

Rick Knoble 
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Re: [MBZ] GPS question

2008-09-04 Thread Fmiser
It seems than at Thu, 4 Sep 2008 19:18:47 -0500, Wonko wrote:

 I have never owned a GPS. Want to fix that.
 
 I have two requirements.
 
 1. Anal-retentive as I am, I would like to get a true mph
 reading so I know how far off my speedometers are. This is
 hopefully cheap.
 
 2. I want turn-by-turn directions -- or at least a good map --
 to drive around in new surroundings. Would need to have maps
 available for rural areas such as Iowa, not just big cities.
 
 What should I get for requirement #1, and can I move up to
 requirement #2 for not that much more money?

Question three - standalone, or connected to a computer?

roadmap is a opensource app that is a dandy US street map - with
or without a GPS. It can work with any GPS unit that gpsd
supports. I know it's available for a lot more than GNU/Linux -
I just don't know for sure what 'cause I don't have any of the
other OSs. I know one guy was working on an iPhone port.

-- Philip

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Re: [MBZ] GPS question

2008-09-04 Thread Wonko the Sane
I want to plug it into 12 volts DC on my motorcycle.

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It seems than at Thu, 4 Sep 2008 19:18:47 -0500, Wonko wrote:

  I have never owned a GPS. Want to fix that.
 
  I have two requirements.
 
  1. Anal-retentive as I am, I would like to get a true mph
  reading so I know how far off my speedometers are. This is
  hopefully cheap.
 
  2. I want turn-by-turn directions -- or at least a good map --
  to drive around in new surroundings. Would need to have maps
  available for rural areas such as Iowa, not just big cities.
 
  What should I get for requirement #1, and can I move up to
  requirement #2 for not that much more money?

 Question three - standalone, or connected to a computer?

 roadmap is a opensource app that is a dandy US street map - with
 or without a GPS. It can work with any GPS unit that gpsd
 supports. I know it's available for a lot more than GNU/Linux -
 I just don't know for sure what 'cause I don't have any of the
 other OSs. I know one guy was working on an iPhone port.

 -- Philip

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Re: [MBZ] GPS question

2008-09-04 Thread Wilton Strickland
My G 750 will plug into 12 volt DC; 'also run on its internal bat for ~8+
hrs ('left it overnight on my desk with it ON - still on next morning).
'Also recharge from USB port; 'comes with a suction cup mount for windshield
or dashboard, but I put a bit of velcro on top and bottom edges of mine and
mount it in lower right of instrument cluster in front of tach and clock.
'Fits very nicely there; 4 3/4 inches X 3 inches X 11/16 inch.  Flat,
rectangular, no bulges, etc.

Wilton

- Original Message -
From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 10:56 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] GPS question


 I want to plug it into 12 volts DC on my motorcycle.

 On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  It seems than at Thu, 4 Sep 2008 19:18:47 -0500, Wonko wrote:
 
   I have never owned a GPS. Want to fix that.
  
   I have two requirements.
  
   1. Anal-retentive as I am, I would like to get a true mph
   reading so I know how far off my speedometers are. This is
   hopefully cheap.
  
   2. I want turn-by-turn directions -- or at least a good map --
   to drive around in new surroundings. Would need to have maps
   available for rural areas such as Iowa, not just big cities.
  
   What should I get for requirement #1, and can I move up to
   requirement #2 for not that much more money?
 
  Question three - standalone, or connected to a computer?
 
  roadmap is a opensource app that is a dandy US street map - with
  or without a GPS. It can work with any GPS unit that gpsd
  supports. I know it's available for a lot more than GNU/Linux -
  I just don't know for sure what 'cause I don't have any of the
  other OSs. I know one guy was working on an iPhone port.
 
  -- Philip
 
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Re: [MBZ] GPS Tracking Suggestions

2008-07-09 Thread dave walton
I use Delorme Street Atlas on a laptop with a generic USB GPS dongle I
got off eBay for $15 (with shipping). Whenever the GPS is enabled, it
records your movement to a datafile. A Garmin would be much easier to
deal with, but lacks the routing features. If your guys are already
carrying a laptop around, adding a GPS to it would be cheap and easy.
You can get old versions of Street Atlas on eBay that work fine for
$0.01 - $0.99 + shipping. The older versions load and run faster, but
have a less elegant user interface and don't automatically re-route
you if you go off-route.

-Dave Walton

On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 11:22 AM, LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have a customer who is now requiring any supplier who charges travel time 
 and mileage to be able to provide GPS track data for each call to verify 
 mileage charges.

 While this is a PITA, it's the way things are going, so I've got to deal with 
 it.

 I have neither the need or budget for a full-blown vehicle tracking system, 
 so that's out of the question.  I was thinking more along the lines of a 
 mapping GPS, or even better, one of the smaller handheld devices (like the 
 Garmin eTrex Vista I have for backpacking.)  My Garmin records tracks 
 whenever it's on, and I use it on both my car and motorcycle to record my 
 travels.

 I was thinking about getting some of the Garmin handhelds to be mounted on a 
 windshield mount for each truck, which can be easily removed and the data 
 downloaded to a PC for passing along to the customer.

 I could justify a mapping GPS for each vehicle if necessary, but my knowledge 
 of these relative to their ability to track is limited.  I know they can give 
 you routes, but I'm not aware of any that actually record vehicle movement.  
 My guys get detailed directions to each site, so it's not really necessary 
 for them to have a mapping GPS, either.

 Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated

 Dan






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Re: [MBZ] GPS Tracking Suggestions

2008-07-09 Thread Fmiser
It seems than at Wed, 9 Jul 2008 08:22:13 -0700 (PDT), LWB250
wrote:

 I have a customer who is now requiring any supplier who
 charges travel time and mileage to be able to provide GPS
 track data for each call to verify mileage charges.

It will also document time on site.

 I have neither the need or budget for a full-blown vehicle
 tracking system, so that's out of the question.  I was
 thinking more along the lines of a mapping GPS, or even
 better, one of the smaller handheld devices (like the Garmin
 eTrex Vista I have for backpacking.)  My Garmin records tracks
 whenever it's on, and I use it on both my car and motorcycle
 to record my travels.
 
 I was thinking about getting some of the Garmin handhelds to
 be mounted on a windshield mount for each truck, which can be
 easily removed and the data downloaded to a PC for passing
 along to the customer.
 
 I could justify a mapping GPS for each vehicle if necessary,
 but my knowledge of these relative to their ability to track
 is limited.  I know they can give you routes, but I'm not
 aware of any that actually record vehicle movement.  My guys
 get detailed directions to each site, so it's not really
 necessary for them to have a mapping GPS, either.
 
 Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated

Memory capacity could be a big deal. The type of track needed
will also matter. The more data points, the more memory needed.
I'm not familiar with the handheld GPS units, but I understand
that many of them have the option of time, distance, or
deviation to set a track point. 

A map on the receiver is not necessary since the track is just a
list of time-lat-lon points.

The data could be canned too. Let Google figure out the
distance, convert that to a .gpx route, convert that to a track
(gpsbabel is amazing), remove all the time stamps. Ta da! Mileage
log without ever going there. *grin*

--Philip

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Re: [MBZ] GPS Tracking Suggestions

2008-07-09 Thread Mitch Haley
LWB250 wrote:
 Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated

Free is good.
http://www.mygpsoffer.com/

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Re: [MBZ] GPS Tracking Suggestions

2008-07-09 Thread Bill R
Dan - My IPAQ rx5915 Has a built in TomTom, which seems to have that
capability.  Recently I have seen several add-on programs offered that do
the GPS tracking you are looking for, so I am assuming that some or many of
the small GPS units can be set up to do that sort of thing. I have not tried
any of them myself as the plain TomTom is all I need.  Probably it would be
simplest to go with a unit that has the capability already built in [far
fewer 'it didn't work right's', but the recently offered programs might
increase your pool of possible units.  I had a CF card GPS that plugged into
a hand held computer or my laptop and worked with MS Streets and Trips,
which could certainly be configured to do what you need.  Wish I knew more,
but someone on here probably does.
BillR

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On Behalf Of LWB250
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 11:22 AM
To: Banned; Okie Benz
Subject: [MBZ] GPS Tracking Suggestions

I have a customer who is now requiring any supplier who charges travel time
and mileage to be able to provide GPS track data for each call to verify
mileage charges.

While this is a PITA, it's the way things are going, so I've got to deal
with it.

I have neither the need or budget for a full-blown vehicle tracking system,
so that's out of the question.  I was thinking more along the lines of a
mapping GPS, or even better, one of the smaller handheld devices (like the
Garmin eTrex Vista I have for backpacking.)  My Garmin records tracks
whenever it's on, and I use it on both my car and motorcycle to record my
travels.

I was thinking about getting some of the Garmin handhelds to be mounted on a
windshield mount for each truck, which can be easily removed and the data
downloaded to a PC for passing along to the customer.

I could justify a mapping GPS for each vehicle if necessary, but my
knowledge of these relative to their ability to track is limited.  I know
they can give you routes, but I'm not aware of any that actually record
vehicle movement.  My guys get detailed directions to each site, so it's not
really necessary for them to have a mapping GPS, either.

Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated

Dan




  

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Re: [MBZ] GPS Tracking Suggestions

2008-07-09 Thread dave walton
That domain name is registered with Network Solutions using the
Private Registration option which shields the owner from releasing
their contact information. I know of no legit Banking or Credit Card
companies who do that. Do you have any indication that that site is
not a front to obtain financial information for nefarious purposes?
Their dns chain leads to Greg Hart, 14897 Seven Oaks Lane, Draper, UT
, 84020, US, +1.8015711075, [EMAIL PROTECTED] . I find it hard to
believe that Discover Card Services would use some guy in Utah to run
their DNS Servers.

Sounds too good to be true.

-Dave Walton

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 LWB250 wrote:
 Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated

 Free is good.
 http://www.mygpsoffer.com/

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Re: [MBZ] GPS Tracking Suggestions

2008-07-09 Thread Mitch Haley
The card companies pay real money for referrals. I got $80 cash from 
Cardoffers.com for a couple of Discover applications last year, and cardoffers 
probably kept most of the money for themselves.

I would certainly be careful of what info I disclose on the referring site 
before I made it to the discovercard site, but you do have to give the 
referring 
site enough info to put your payoff in your hands.

Lots of discussion on this particular offer here:
http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/hot-deals/831034/

Mitch.

dave walton wrote:
 Sounds too good to be true.
 
 -Dave Walton
 
 On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://www.mygpsoffer.com/

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Re: [MBZ] GPS Tracking Suggestions

2008-07-09 Thread dave walton
The fact that the FatWallet discussion has been going on since May
makes me think the offer is legit.
Still not sure I want to risk giving them all my personal info, so
I'll probably sign my wife up first and see how it goes :-)

-Dave Walton

On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 1:51 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The card companies pay real money for referrals. I got $80 cash from
 Cardoffers.com for a couple of Discover applications last year, and cardoffers
 probably kept most of the money for themselves.

 I would certainly be careful of what info I disclose on the referring site
 before I made it to the discovercard site, but you do have to give the 
 referring
 site enough info to put your payoff in your hands.

 Lots of discussion on this particular offer here:
 http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/hot-deals/831034/

 Mitch.

 dave walton wrote:
 Sounds too good to be true.

 -Dave Walton

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Re: [MBZ] GPS Tracking Suggestions

2008-07-09 Thread Fmiser
It seems than at Wed, 09 Jul 2008 12:31:21 -0400, Mitch wrote:

 LWB250 wrote:
  Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated
 
 Free is good.
 http://www.mygpsoffer.com/

How about open source, multi-platform, and free.
http://roadmap.sourceforge.net  (url from memory. might not be accurate)

--  Philip

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Re: [MBZ] GPS receivers

2007-09-28 Thread Curt Raymond

I also like mine best when used in conjunction with Mapquest (google and yahoo 
maps are useless in New England). I really like knowing I haven't yet passed 
the turn or that the turn is coming up soon just around that blind curve.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 20:52:00 -0500
From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] GPS receivers
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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I also have the etrex legend - wife got it for my birthday this year
so we could find out what we really want in a GPS. It worked great on
our trip to CT, PA, AR, and back this summer. We used mapquest maps
for the trip, but the GPS came in really handy when we missed turns,
turned at the wrong place, and when the road names on the map didn't
match those on the sign post. The etrex legend is a fun little toy,
but I haven't tried to program a trip into it, and haven't bought the
Garmen maps for it. I'm going to try using it to feed coordinates to
Streets and Trips running on a Tablet PC - that ought to give a form
factor that's more car friendly than a laptop, with a screen that's
large enough to see.

On 9/27/07, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Everybody wants something different out of their GPS. Turn by turn or
 just maps or whatever.

 I've got a Garmin Etrex Legend which is now 2 years old that I've
 been very very happy with.

 -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] GPS receivers

2007-09-27 Thread Rich Thomas
I got a Garmin Nuvi 680 recently and really like it.  It is fast to 
recompute, has lots of cool features, big screen, and good battery.  
There are lesser-featured Nuvi models for lower prices.  I think the 
Garmins are highly-rated, some of the Tom-toms too maybe (for much lower 
prices).  I did some research on them (Amazon.com comments are pretty 
good), the one I picked had been rated highly in other reviews as well.

--R

Craig McCluskey wrote:
 My next door neighbor is looking at getting a GPS receiver. He found that
 Consumer Reports doesn't rate them, so he wants me to ask all of you.

 He's looking at the Garmin C340 and Garmin NUVI350.

 Does anyone know anything about them, or about what makes a good GPS
 receiver?

 Thanks,


 Craig

 P.S. It would be nice to have one when we drive to the IowaQ, but I guess
  I'm too cheap to shell out for one.

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Re: [MBZ] GPS receivers

2007-09-27 Thread pm7088
If you want to NOTHING but navigate, look at refurb Garmin 2610 .  Mine does 
100% job at that, no frills.  Old tech, holds entire country of maps, big 
screen, bright, only works in the car {no BAttery}.

Pete

-- Original message -- 
From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

 I got a Garmin Nuvi 680 recently and really like it. It is fast to 
 recompute, has lots of cool features, big screen, and good battery. 
 There are lesser-featured Nuvi models for lower prices. I think the 
 Garmins are highly-rated, some of the Tom-toms too maybe (for much lower 
 prices). I did some research on them (Amazon.com comments are pretty 
 good), the one I picked had been rated highly in other reviews as well. 
 
 --R 
 
 Craig McCluskey wrote: 
  My next door neighbor is looking at getting a GPS receiver. He found that 
  Consumer Reports doesn't rate them, so he wants me to ask all of you. 
  
  He's looking at the Garmin C340 and Garmin NUVI350. 
  
  Does anyone know anything about them, or about what makes a good GPS 
  receiver? 
  
  Thanks, 
  
  
  Craig 
  
  P.S. It would be nice to have one when we drive to the IowaQ, but I guess 
  I'm too cheap to shell out for one. 
  
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Re: [MBZ] GPS receivers

2007-09-27 Thread Darrell W. Sigmon
I recently got a NUVI  350 and used it going to Winchester VA.
It works great!! According to the 350 my speedo is a couple of miles over.

Darrell W. Sigmon


- Original Message - 
From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 8:29 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] GPS receivers


I got a Garmin Nuvi 680 recently and really like it.  It is fast to
 recompute, has lots of cool features, big screen, and good battery.
 There are lesser-featured Nuvi models for lower prices.  I think the
 Garmins are highly-rated, some of the Tom-toms too maybe (for much lower
 prices).  I did some research on them (Amazon.com comments are pretty
 good), the one I picked had been rated highly in other reviews as well.

 --R

 Craig McCluskey wrote:
 My next door neighbor is looking at getting a GPS receiver. He found that
 Consumer Reports doesn't rate them, so he wants me to ask all of you.

 He's looking at the Garmin C340 and Garmin NUVI350.

 Does anyone know anything about them, or about what makes a good GPS
 receiver?

 Thanks,


 Craig

 P.S. It would be nice to have one when we drive to the IowaQ, but I guess
  I'm too cheap to shell out for one.

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Re: [MBZ] GPS receivers

2007-09-27 Thread Curt Raymond

Everybody wants something different out of their GPS. Turn by turn or just maps 
or whatever.

I've got a Garmin Etrex Legend which is now 2 years old that I've been very 
very happy with.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:42:27 -0600
From: Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [MBZ] GPS receivers
To: mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

My next door neighbor is looking at getting a GPS receiver. He found
 that
Consumer Reports doesn't rate them, so he wants me to ask all of you.

He's looking at the Garmin C340 and Garmin NUVI350.

Does anyone know anything about them, or about what makes a good GPS
receiver?

Thanks,


Craig

P.S. It would be nice to have one when we drive to the IowaQ, but I
 guess
 I'm too cheap to shell out for one.

   
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Re: [MBZ] GPS receivers

2007-09-27 Thread ned kleinhenz
Consumer Reports does review Garmins and Tom toms etc.
I found the reviews on their web site.
Not sure, but you may need to be a CR member to open and read the reviews.

Ned Kleinhenz
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Re: [MBZ] GPS receivers

2007-09-27 Thread Allan Streib
ned kleinhenz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Consumer Reports does review Garmins and Tom toms etc.
 I found the reviews on their web site.
 Not sure, but you may need to be a CR member to open and read the
 reviews.

I subscribed thinking that I probably would not read the magazine but
would like to have access to their on-line library.  Well, not good
enough to subscribe to their rag, you also have to pay to get into the
web site.  They recently had a feature on how to make your car last
100,000 miles, basically it could have been once sentence: Follow the
maintenance schedule in the owner's manual.

In the same issue they also had this pearl of wisdom: If your car has
become unreliable despite repair attempts, it may be time to consider
buying a new one.

CR is pretty much a joke IMO.  

Allan
-- 
1983 300D
1966 230

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Re: [MBZ] GPS receivers

2007-09-27 Thread Bill Ringgold
I have a CF card GPS that I used on my IPAQ  with limited success
[receiver was fine, but the Handmap system map was not very useful]. The
external antenna has been scavenged for my new IPAQ rx5915 with TOM TOM
[antenna fittings all seem the same], but the basic receiver does work well.
My son's laptop wouldn't recognize it, though this CF card GPS worked well
with MS Trips and Streets in my company laptop.  I could be persuaded to
part with that one, especially if someone is knowledgeable on the older
Garmin Color Map units.  Mine has worked great from Florida to SC and in CA
when I was out there.  It sustained one too many falls off the too slippery
300SD dash and now won't stay on for more than a minute [or less].  I was
planning to dig into it and try to fix it for my use and so my daughter can
use it on a trip to KA next year.  Having just purchased the TOM TOM
equipped IPAQ I won't be needing it, but the daughter will in a few months.
It was @ $100 when I bought it a few years ago, and if someone is into
electronics repair for the Garmin let's talk about a swap.  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
BillR
Jacksonville FL
1981 300SD 295k miles.  ... just passing time until my tranny get's here

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Rich Thomas
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 8:30 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] GPS receivers

I got a Garmin Nuvi 680 recently and really like it.  It is fast to 
recompute, has lots of cool features, big screen, and good battery.  
There are lesser-featured Nuvi models for lower prices.  I think the 
Garmins are highly-rated, some of the Tom-toms too maybe (for much lower 
prices).  I did some research on them (Amazon.com comments are pretty 
good), the one I picked had been rated highly in other reviews as well.

--R

Craig McCluskey wrote:
 My next door neighbor is looking at getting a GPS receiver. He found that
 Consumer Reports doesn't rate them, so he wants me to ask all of you.

 He's looking at the Garmin C340 and Garmin NUVI350.

 Does anyone know anything about them, or about what makes a good GPS
 receiver?

 Thanks,


 Craig

 P.S. It would be nice to have one when we drive to the IowaQ, but I guess
  I'm too cheap to shell out for one.

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Re: [MBZ] GPS receivers

2007-09-27 Thread LWB250
I have both Garmin and TomTom,  The TomTom sucks
compared to the Garmin.  As does TomTom's support, or
lack thereof.


Dan




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 I found the reviews on their web site.
 Not sure, but you may need to be a CR member to open
 and read the reviews.
 
 Ned Kleinhenz
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Re: [MBZ] GPS receivers

2007-09-27 Thread OK Don
I also have the etrex legend - wife got it for my birthday this year
so we could find out what we really want in a GPS. It worked great on
our trip to CT, PA, AR, and back this summer. We used mapquest maps
for the trip, but the GPS came in really handy when we missed turns,
turned at the wrong place, and when the road names on the map didn't
match those on the sign post. The etrex legend is a fun little toy,
but I haven't tried to program a trip into it, and haven't bought the
Garmen maps for it. I'm going to try using it to feed coordinates to
Streets and Trips running on a Tablet PC - that ought to give a form
factor that's more car friendly than a laptop, with a screen that's
large enough to see.

On 9/27/07, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Everybody wants something different out of their GPS. Turn by turn or just 
 maps or whatever.

 I've got a Garmin Etrex Legend which is now 2 years old that I've been very 
 very happy with.

 -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] GPS receivers

2007-09-27 Thread Bill Ringgold
Dan - I definitely like the Garmin Color Map better for car use, and like
all the features but since it is several years old now and broken, and the
TOMTOM is newer technology and working, I'm good with that.  What problems
does the TomTom give you?  I've never needed support with either, but it
could happen.  Do you have / use the TomTom extra stuff? 

BillR

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I have both Garmin and TomTom,  The TomTom sucks
compared to the Garmin.  As does TomTom's support, or
lack thereof.


Dan




--- ned kleinhenz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 etc.
 I found the reviews on their web site.
 Not sure, but you may need to be a CR member to open
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