Re: [MBZ] Gump swap job
Guess I have to push the radiator out and cut the firewall back to fit the engine in. Gump is a 1972 clay Gump - She is green, simple and runs and runs Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jul 7, 2011, at 7:51 PM, OK Don wrote: I don't remember what chassis gump is, but the '75-'76 W115 300D had an extended nose compared to the '70 220D W115. The rear of the 617 was closer to the firewall, and the front was closer to the radiator. On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 9:08 PM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: http://seattle.craigslist.org/**tac/cto/2481215278.htmlhttp://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/2481215278.html Might be worth the effort to just swap over the engine to Gump. I would worry about the engine length. The 114 nose is longer (?) than the 115, all 6-cylinder gassers were 114's. Or so I recall. So would a 5zyl fit in a 4zyl hole, or would you need the 6zyl hole (which you ain't got.) Yes, you would prolly have a driveshaft issue, and what about the major difference in the oil filter housing? Also, throttle linkage runs throttle butterfly on air intake versus rack lever on IP, so there would be some interesting differences there. -- Jim -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gump swap job
The front fenders, radiator supporting frame, and hood are different on the 300D - I don't know whether they're the same as a 6 cyl. W114 or not. You don;'t have to push the firewall back, just place the engine 1/2 from it. I have a driveshaft from the W115 300D with a bad u-joint that you can have for the cost of shipping if you want it -- On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 3:57 PM, redghost redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Guess I have to push the radiator out and cut the firewall back to fit the engine in. Gump is a 1972 clay -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gump swap job
redghost wrote: http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/2481215278.html Might be worth the effort to just swap over the engine to Gump. Not sure how much hacking I would need to do to the drive shaft. Manual transmission in Gump. Then part out this heap to make back the purchase price We were recently discussing a /8 engine being advertised for W123 use. Wouldn't the same problems apply to putting a 617 in a car set up for a 615? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gump swap job
This guy claims to have run it dry, not to have stored it sans fluid for 30 years. The 240D guy also said his engine was in a 115, but was for a 123. The situation I am looking at is to have a side by side frankenstein transferal of power-plant into Gump. Being able to swap over all the needed under-hood goodies as needed. I figure the early edition 617 is equivalent to that which would have been ensconced in the 1976 300D bodied w115. Use the 615/616 engine mounts or something. There is ample room under the hood to fit the larger engine and supporting entrails. Would drop the ACC and Power steering, as those are not present in Gump anyway. What to do with the real radiator in Gump, as well as the oil cooler is of concern. Maybe this old of 123 has brass radiator and not plastic. clay Gump - She is green, simple and runs and runs Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jul 7, 2011, at 3:10 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: redghost wrote: http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/2481215278.html Might be worth the effort to just swap over the engine to Gump. Not sure how much hacking I would need to do to the drive shaft. Manual transmission in Gump. Then part out this heap to make back the purchase price We were recently discussing a /8 engine being advertised for W123 use. Wouldn't the same problems apply to putting a 617 in a car set up for a 615? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gump swap job
617 engine mount location is 4 forward from the 616. On Jul 7, 2011 8:07 PM, redghost redgh...@comcast.net wrote: This guy claims to have run it dry, not to have stored it sans fluid for 30 years. The 240D guy also said his engine was in a 115, but was for a 123. The situation I am looking at is to have a side by side frankenstein transferal of power-plant into Gump. Being able to swap over all the needed under-hood goodies as needed. I figure the early edition 617 is equivalent to that which would have been ensconced in the 1976 300D bodied w115. Use the 615/616 engine mounts or something. There is ample room under the hood to fit the larger engine and supporting entrails. Would drop the ACC and Power steering, as those are not present in Gump anyway. What to do with the real radiator in Gump, as well as the oil cooler is of concern. Maybe this old of 123 has brass radiator and not plastic. clay Gump - She is green, simple and runs and runs Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jul 7, 2011, at 3:10 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: redghost wrote: http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/2481215278.html Might be worth the effort to just swap over the engine to Gump. Not sure how much hacking I would need to do to the drive shaft. Manual transmission in Gump. Then part out this heap to make back the purchase price We were recently discussing a /8 engine being advertised for W123 use. Wouldn't the same problems apply to putting a 617 in a car set up for a 615? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gump swap job
http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/2481215278.html Might be worth the effort to just swap over the engine to Gump. I would worry about the engine length. The 114 nose is longer (?) than the 115, all 6-cylinder gassers were 114's. Or so I recall. So would a 5zyl fit in a 4zyl hole, or would you need the 6zyl hole (which you ain't got.) Yes, you would prolly have a driveshaft issue, and what about the major difference in the oil filter housing? Also, throttle linkage runs throttle butterfly on air intake versus rack lever on IP, so there would be some interesting differences there. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gump swap job
ayup, the converse is true. But check carefully the differences between 616.916 and 616.912 The 76 OM617 would not fit in a 123 from everything I got my hands/eyes on. Biggest problem is the non-intercangeability of the canister oil filter VS the toploading 123 filter on the block. redghost wrote: http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/2481215278.html Might be worth the effort to just swap over the engine to Gump. Not sure how much hacking I would need to do to the drive shaft. Manual transmission in Gump. Then part out this heap to make back the purchase price We were recently discussing a /8 engine being advertised for W123 use. Wouldn't the same problems apply to putting a 617 in a car set up for a 615? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gump swap job
The 123 radiator is prastic. If this guy in MD really got the 616-912 in a 115, then maybe it will work. I thought i had pulled the oil filters to check. maybe I never did because all the info said no dice. This guy claims to have run it dry, not to have stored it sans fluid for 30 years. The 240D guy also said his engine was in a 115, but was for a 123. The situation I am looking at is to have a side by side frankenstein transferal of power-plant into Gump. Being able to swap over all the needed under-hood goodies as needed. I figure the early edition 617 is equivalent to that which would have been ensconced in the 1976 300D bodied w115. Use the 615/616 engine mounts or something. There is ample room under the hood to fit the larger engine and supporting entrails. Would drop the ACC and Power steering, as those are not present in Gump anyway. What to do with the real radiator in Gump, as well as the oil cooler is of concern. Maybe this old of 123 has brass radiator and not plastic. clay Gump - She is green, simple and runs and runs Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jul 7, 2011, at 3:10 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: redghost wrote: http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/2481215278.html Might be worth the effort to just swap over the engine to Gump. Not sure how much hacking I would need to do to the drive shaft. Manual transmission in Gump. Then part out this heap to make back the purchase price We were recently discussing a /8 engine being advertised for W123 use. Wouldn't the same problems apply to putting a 617 in a car set up for a 615? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gump swap job
Intake, exhaust and throttle will interchange on all 4 cyl from 1959 to 1983 iron heads. On the 200D 2.4, I used the OM621 manifolds, exhaust and throttle linkage. (and oil bath air cleaner. I like the replacement cost of a clean filter) Also the engine back plate, rebalanced flywheel and a few other bits from the OM621 http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/2481215278.html Might be worth the effort to just swap over the engine to Gump. I would worry about the engine length. The 114 nose is longer (?) than the 115, all 6-cylinder gassers were 114's. Or so I recall. So would a 5zyl fit in a 4zyl hole, or would you need the 6zyl hole (which you ain't got.) Yes, you would prolly have a driveshaft issue, and what about the major difference in the oil filter housing? Also, throttle linkage runs throttle butterfly on air intake versus rack lever on IP, so there would be some interesting differences there. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gump swap job
I don't remember what chassis gump is, but the '75-'76 W115 300D had an extended nose compared to the '70 220D W115. The rear of the 617 was closer to the firewall, and the front was closer to the radiator. On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 9:08 PM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: http://seattle.craigslist.org/**tac/cto/2481215278.htmlhttp://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/2481215278.html Might be worth the effort to just swap over the engine to Gump. I would worry about the engine length. The 114 nose is longer (?) than the 115, all 6-cylinder gassers were 114's. Or so I recall. So would a 5zyl fit in a 4zyl hole, or would you need the 6zyl hole (which you ain't got.) Yes, you would prolly have a driveshaft issue, and what about the major difference in the oil filter housing? Also, throttle linkage runs throttle butterfly on air intake versus rack lever on IP, so there would be some interesting differences there. -- Jim -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
