Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick
1873 winchester repeating rifles. the guns that won the west. when the james-younger gang went to northfield, MN, to rob the bank, the locals met them with 1873 winchesters. guess who won that fight? sadly, lever action cavalry guns are no longer made under the winchester name. the tradition is hard to kill, though, and many continue to make them, most notably Marlin. lightweight, easy handling and very fast for their time (but not fast for today, so don't take your lever gun to shoot it out against gang bangers with full auto AK-47s), they remain today a very useful "brush" gun and are as good as anything at all inside of 100 yards. On 10/25/06, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Gary wrote:< the first time, i was blown away by "oh, man, this could be what it really > looked like">> Gary - I feel the same way - now we see bullet holes in people where the old John Wayne moves the guys just fell down. As far Pvt Ryan - the "storming the beach scene" was so realistic it gave me a new feeling of respect for the 17,18 and 19+ year olds that actually did that! I'd read about the water turning trd from blood but seeing it always has a bigger impact. Being on that beach must have been ... well, words fail me. I'm watching a John W western now and although it's set in 1853 they all use Winchester lever actions made in 1866 so the realism suffered a tad. I guess having to use muzzle loaders would have slowed the action down a bit. ;-) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick > the thing that most impresses me about movies in recent times is how much > effort is put into getting the details right. > > when you watch, say, an old john wayne war movie, you see clearly that > this > is like a play and it is not like the fight really was. > > when i watched films such as saving private ryan and we were soldiers for > the first time, i was blown away by "oh, man, this could be what it really > looked like" > > > On 10/24/06, LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Luther's pretty cool for a late twenty-something guy who shaves his head. >> He >> is the same age as my youngest biological child. On the other hand, he >> did >> bring me a primo bottle of Scotch (I had only one Navy ration) at the >> last >> OkieQ. ***-- >> >> (The above wacky stuff was brought to you by my cat, Dawg -- he hit the >> keyboard mid head-butt w/ me.) >> >> And in Luther's defense, at his age I was only flying off in a aircraft >> on >> USCG rescues (go see The Guardian! - I found only three tech flaws in the >> entire movie). He, on the other hand, is getting "stuff" to your door. >> You >> might just have to thank Luther for the stuff you buy at the grocery >> store. >> >> D. >> >> >> On 10/24/06, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> > They should ask their Mobil 1 or Amsoil distributor about Flomax! >> > >> > Err, wait... >> > >> > --R >> > >> > LT Don wrote: >> > > This is like a pis ... er, a urinating contest between two guys with >> > > prostate problems. >> > > >> > > Lighten up, folks! Belongs on Banned, not Mercedes. >> > > >> > > D. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > ___ >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercede
Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick
Gary wrote:<for the first time, i was blown away by "oh, man, this could be what it really looked like">> Gary - I feel the same way - now we see bullet holes in people where the old John Wayne moves the guys just fell down. As far Pvt Ryan - the "storming the beach scene" was so realistic it gave me a new feeling of respect for the 17,18 and 19+ year olds that actually did that! I'd read about the water turning trd from blood but seeing it always has a bigger impact. Being on that beach must have been ... well, words fail me. I'm watching a John W western now and although it's set in 1853 they all use Winchester lever actions made in 1866 so the realism suffered a tad. I guess having to use muzzle loaders would have slowed the action down a bit. ;-) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick the thing that most impresses me about movies in recent times is how much effort is put into getting the details right. when you watch, say, an old john wayne war movie, you see clearly that this is like a play and it is not like the fight really was. when i watched films such as saving private ryan and we were soldiers for the first time, i was blown away by "oh, man, this could be what it really looked like" On 10/24/06, LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Luther's pretty cool for a late twenty-something guy who shaves his head. He is the same age as my youngest biological child. On the other hand, he did bring me a primo bottle of Scotch (I had only one Navy ration) at the last OkieQ. ***-- (The above wacky stuff was brought to you by my cat, Dawg -- he hit the keyboard mid head-butt w/ me.) And in Luther's defense, at his age I was only flying off in a aircraft on USCG rescues (go see The Guardian! - I found only three tech flaws in the entire movie). He, on the other hand, is getting "stuff" to your door. You might just have to thank Luther for the stuff you buy at the grocery store. D. On 10/24/06, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > They should ask their Mobil 1 or Amsoil distributor about Flomax! > > Err, wait... > > --R > > LT Don wrote: > > This is like a pis ... er, a urinating contest between two guys with > > prostate problems. > > > > Lighten up, folks! Belongs on Banned, not Mercedes. > > > > D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.11/493 - Release Date: 10/23/2006
Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick
Gary Hurst wrote: > the thing that most impresses me about movies in recent times is how much > effort is put into getting the details right. > > when you watch, say, an old john wayne war movie, you see clearly that this > is like a play and it is not like the fight really was. > > when i watched films such as saving private ryan and we were soldiers for > the first time, i was blown away by "oh, man, this could be what it really > looked like" > OTOH, there is "Gladiator," where the anachronisms piled up like cordwood. Lee
Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick
No, we do not haul groceries. But you can thank me for the news paper inserts, paper for the news papers, and car parts for nearly every Toyota, Nissan, Honda, and GM car made in Tenn, Indiana, Kentucky, Mississippi, Detroit, Canada, Alabama, and Ohio. Most all of your friendly local auto parts stores get a portion of their freight on our trucks. Drink any heavy liqueur made in Canada? We haul that too. Only pisses off the drunks if we're late. :) On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 18:29:16 -0500, LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Luther's pretty cool for a late twenty-something guy who shaves his head. He > is the same age as my youngest biological child. On the other hand, he did > bring me a primo bottle of Scotch (I had only one Navy ration) at the last > OkieQ. ***-- > > (The above wacky stuff was brought to you by my cat, Dawg -- he hit the > keyboard mid head-butt w/ me.) > > And in Luther's defense, at his age I was only flying off in a aircraft on > USCG rescues (go see The Guardian! - I found only three tech flaws in the > entire movie). He, on the other hand, is getting "stuff" to your door. You > might just have to thank Luther for the stuff you buy at the grocery store. > > D. > > > -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work '85 300D (280,176) parts car
Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick
the thing that most impresses me about movies in recent times is how much effort is put into getting the details right. when you watch, say, an old john wayne war movie, you see clearly that this is like a play and it is not like the fight really was. when i watched films such as saving private ryan and we were soldiers for the first time, i was blown away by "oh, man, this could be what it really looked like" On 10/24/06, LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Luther's pretty cool for a late twenty-something guy who shaves his head. He is the same age as my youngest biological child. On the other hand, he did bring me a primo bottle of Scotch (I had only one Navy ration) at the last OkieQ. ***-- (The above wacky stuff was brought to you by my cat, Dawg -- he hit the keyboard mid head-butt w/ me.) And in Luther's defense, at his age I was only flying off in a aircraft on USCG rescues (go see The Guardian! - I found only three tech flaws in the entire movie). He, on the other hand, is getting "stuff" to your door. You might just have to thank Luther for the stuff you buy at the grocery store. D. On 10/24/06, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > They should ask their Mobil 1 or Amsoil distributor about Flomax! > > Err, wait... > > --R > > LT Don wrote: > > This is like a pis ... er, a urinating contest between two guys with > > prostate problems. > > > > Lighten up, folks! Belongs on Banned, not Mercedes. > > > > D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick
Luther's pretty cool for a late twenty-something guy who shaves his head. He is the same age as my youngest biological child. On the other hand, he did bring me a primo bottle of Scotch (I had only one Navy ration) at the last OkieQ. ***-- (The above wacky stuff was brought to you by my cat, Dawg -- he hit the keyboard mid head-butt w/ me.) And in Luther's defense, at his age I was only flying off in a aircraft on USCG rescues (go see The Guardian! - I found only three tech flaws in the entire movie). He, on the other hand, is getting "stuff" to your door. You might just have to thank Luther for the stuff you buy at the grocery store. D. On 10/24/06, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: They should ask their Mobil 1 or Amsoil distributor about Flomax! Err, wait... --R LT Don wrote: > This is like a pis ... er, a urinating contest between two guys with > prostate problems. > > Lighten up, folks! Belongs on Banned, not Mercedes. > > D. > > > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish.
Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick
Dude...you need to chill. I can't remember anyone recently how has caused so much discord. You have no idea how this list operates. You need to pull your fingers away from the keyboard, sit back, watch how we operate, then start sharing your knowledge in the same way we do. I think, if we check, Michael is somehow related to Stu or George. Bob Rentfro '77 300D 161K '87 Acura Legend 177K Litchfield Park, AZ - Original Message - From: "Michael Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick Glad that you've been ordained to speak for the list - perhaps all further list emails should be sent directly to you. There are actually plenty of people of who agree with me on this list, some have even gone so far as to tell me as much off-list. On a serious note, which part of that that response did you find so offensive that you smashed your keyboard and broke the Caps Lock key? I really didn't think that anything I wrote would be considered as insulting as you make it out to be. Mike On 10/24/06, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: LISTEN HERE, I WAS NEUTRAL IN THIS MESS UNTIL NOW. YOU WILL BE ASSUMED TO BE WRONG BY EVERYONE ON THE LIST UNTIL YOU PROVIDE PROOF DIRECTLY FROM MERCEDES THAT PROVES YOUR POINT. THANK YOU, DRIVE THROUGH. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work '85 300D (280,176) parts car Quoting Michael Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > So its okay for you to insult my personality, but not for me to respond > regarding your intelligence? Interesting, especially given the correlation > between the two that you brought up. Which, I'm sure, is based on > scientific fact. > > I've been wrong many many many times in my life. I freely admit that. What > I can't stand is people telling me I'm wrong, when I am in fact right. > Especially when they can't and don't back it up with anything substantial, > and even more so when they back it up by taking parts out of context > and > argueing against them or just saying I'm wrong and backing it up with proof > that I'm right. > > People skills? Enemies? This is internet, where those things matter about > a much as logic and intelligence. I practice the latter, some people > practice the former, everyone wins and everyone loses. > > If you don't like what I'm saying, you can choose to ignore it or use your > email client to filter it. But if you jump into the coversation, I > will > reply. > > Mike > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick
They should ask their Mobil 1 or Amsoil distributor about Flomax! Err, wait... --R LT Don wrote: This is like a pis ... er, a urinating contest between two guys with prostate problems. Lighten up, folks! Belongs on Banned, not Mercedes. D.
Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick
This is like a pis ... er, a urinating contest between two guys with prostate problems. Lighten up, folks! Belongs on Banned, not Mercedes. D. -- Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish.
Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick
Glad that you've been ordained to speak for the list - perhaps all further list emails should be sent directly to you. There are actually plenty of people of who agree with me on this list, some have even gone so far as to tell me as much off-list. On a serious note, which part of that that response did you find so offensive that you smashed your keyboard and broke the Caps Lock key? I really didn't think that anything I wrote would be considered as insulting as you make it out to be. Mike On 10/24/06, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: LISTEN HERE, I WAS NEUTRAL IN THIS MESS UNTIL NOW. YOU WILL BE ASSUMED TO BE WRONG BY EVERYONE ON THE LIST UNTIL YOU PROVIDE PROOF DIRECTLY FROM MERCEDES THAT PROVES YOUR POINT. THANK YOU, DRIVE THROUGH. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work '85 300D (280,176) parts car Quoting Michael Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > So its okay for you to insult my personality, but not for me to respond > regarding your intelligence? Interesting, especially given the correlation > between the two that you brought up. Which, I'm sure, is based on > scientific fact. > > I've been wrong many many many times in my life. I freely admit that. What > I can't stand is people telling me I'm wrong, when I am in fact right. > Especially when they can't and don't back it up with anything substantial, > and even more so when they back it up by taking parts out of context and > argueing against them or just saying I'm wrong and backing it up with proof > that I'm right. > > People skills? Enemies? This is internet, where those things matter about > a much as logic and intelligence. I practice the latter, some people > practice the former, everyone wins and everyone loses. > > If you don't like what I'm saying, you can choose to ignore it or use your > email client to filter it. But if you jump into the coversation, I will > reply. > > Mike > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick
LISTEN HERE, I WAS NEUTRAL IN THIS MESS UNTIL NOW. YOU WILL BE ASSUMED TO BE WRONG BY EVERYONE ON THE LIST UNTIL YOU PROVIDE PROOF DIRECTLY FROM MERCEDES THAT PROVES YOUR POINT. THANK YOU, DRIVE THROUGH. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work '85 300D (280,176) parts car Quoting Michael Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: So its okay for you to insult my personality, but not for me to respond regarding your intelligence? Interesting, especially given the correlation between the two that you brought up. Which, I'm sure, is based on scientific fact. I've been wrong many many many times in my life. I freely admit that. What I can't stand is people telling me I'm wrong, when I am in fact right. Especially when they can't and don't back it up with anything substantial, and even more so when they back it up by taking parts out of context and argueing against them or just saying I'm wrong and backing it up with proof that I'm right. People skills? Enemies? This is internet, where those things matter about a much as logic and intelligence. I practice the latter, some people practice the former, everyone wins and everyone loses. If you don't like what I'm saying, you can choose to ignore it or use your email client to filter it. But if you jump into the coversation, I will reply. Mike
Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick
Geewhillikers I could get happily lost among all those loose 123 parts!! Hey Michael - my son's 300D is stuck with four slashed tires. Do you have four used ones (w or w/o rims) in the 195 (or 205) X 70 size? Let me know off-list if so. Shipping zip code would be 20723 On 10/24/06, Michael Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Started in ~93, our house was built with a 4 car garage to go full time in '97 Then our neighbor hood got upset by the constant flow on MB's in and out of the neighborhoof, so he bought a 3 bay garage in ~99, in 02 we demolished the old garage and built a modern 4 bay facilty, then expanded to 6 bays in ~04 Pics from around the shop available here: http://www.easttennesseeonlinemarketing.com/jareks/jareks.html Never met the owner - our guy is Craig Wilson, he's a pretty young G-Tech Grad. You may know or have heard of Pat Evens, the "advisor" over there - I think he used to be the shop foreman over at RBM, raced 16V's. Mike On 10/24/06, Rusty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yeah, I worked for them as sales manager from 1976 till 1985. We have a > less than amicable relationship. Not many folks still there from when I > was, but the owner, Mrs. Shelton has a real long memory. Oh well. I have > never heard of Jarek's, when did he open up? > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Hall > Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 12:16 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick > > Jarek's Car Service in Knoxville - we buy most of our parts from GAP in > Atlanta - no doubt you've heard of them. > > Mike > > On 10/24/06, Rusty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Mike, what is the name of your dad's shop and where is it? I might > know > > him. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Hall > > Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 11:18 AM > > To: Mercedes Discussion List > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick > > > > > > Glad you asked. I started working on MB's when I was 8 years old - > > thats > > about the time my dad, who was trained in Europe as a mechanic, > started > > working on MB's part time at our house. By the time I was 12, I could > > do > > (and did do) almost any type of maintence on 123, 126, 201, 124, and > 107 > > chassis. I have worked at my father's shop 50-60 hours a week every > > summer > > since I was 15, diagnosing, repairing, and test driving MB's. That > adds > > up > > to about 4,000 hours of MB repair. I have attended training seminars > > and > > conferences related to MB repair - my most recent certification is for > > CAN > > bus diagnostics and repair and engine diagnostics and repair on 111, > > 112, > > 113, 137, 271, 272, 275, & 648 motors. I have rebuilt 616's, 617's, > > 603's, > > 602's, 103's, 104's, 11 7's, 116's, 119's, 111's, 112's, and 113's. > > I've > > done core evaporators on 123's, 124's, 107's, 129's, 126's, 210's, and > > 140's. Although we outsource most of our tranny rebuilds because we > > don't > > have a dyno, I have done a complete soft parts on my personal 722.3. > > I've > > also dismantled 123, 124, 126, 210, and 140 chassis cars for parting > > out. > > > > Lest you think I'm some meathead mechanics son, I also maintained a > 4.0 > > in > > highschool and scored a 1570 on my SAT's, which landed me at the Mass. > > Institute of Technology (MIT) where I spent 2 years studying > engineering > > before transfering back home to the University of Tennessee, where I'm > > currently studying Finance and Statistics, (while working part time at > > my > > dads shop to pay for my education). I also own my own small business > > that > > specializes in online automotive sales. > > > > Now that I think about it, I'm probably not qualified enough to say > > anything > > related to the repair, diagnostics, or operation of Mercedes. > > > > Oh well, > > Mike > > ___ > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > T
Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick
So its okay for you to insult my personality, but not for me to respond regarding your intelligence? Interesting, especially given the correlation between the two that you brought up. Which, I'm sure, is based on scientific fact. I've been wrong many many many times in my life. I freely admit that. What I can't stand is people telling me I'm wrong, when I am in fact right. Especially when they can't and don't back it up with anything substantial, and even more so when they back it up by taking parts out of context and argueing against them or just saying I'm wrong and backing it up with proof that I'm right. People skills? Enemies? This is internet, where those things matter about a much as logic and intelligence. I practice the latter, some people practice the former, everyone wins and everyone loses. If you don't like what I'm saying, you can choose to ignore it or use your email client to filter it. But if you jump into the coversation, I will reply. Mike On 10/24/06, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You, my friend, need to work on your people skills. You have rapidly created several enemies and many potential ones by flaunting your "know-it-all-never-wrong" attitude around here. You have dropped sarcasm many a time that was uncalled for, and frankly, it's very a$$ like. Cool off and maybe we'll have a happy list again with you as another valuable member.
Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick
i farm all that sort of work out to my 9 year old On 10/24/06, Michael Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sounds like you'd be great with a 20 year old VCR. On 10/24/06, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Brains and personality have a pre-allocated space in your brain. The more > brains you get, the less personality you get. Less brains (to a point) > and > more personality. Ever met a genius? Dumb as a box of rocks when it > comes to > simple things like operating a 20 year old VCR. > > > -- > Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark > '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? > '83 300SD (241 kmi) > '82 300CD (162 kmi) > '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work > '85 300D (280,176) parts car > > > > Quoting Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > you are pretty smart for being such a dope. how you manage that? > > > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick
who? me or the other idiot? On 10/24/06, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You, my friend, need to work on your people skills. You have rapidly created several enemies and many potential ones by flaunting your "know-it-all-never-wrong" attitude around here. You have dropped sarcasm many a time that was uncalled for, and frankly, it's very a$$ like. Cool off and maybe we'll have a happy list again with you as another valuable member. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work '85 300D (280,176) parts car Quoting Michael Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Sounds like you'd be great with a 20 year old VCR. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick
You, my friend, need to work on your people skills. You have rapidly created several enemies and many potential ones by flaunting your "know-it-all-never-wrong" attitude around here. You have dropped sarcasm many a time that was uncalled for, and frankly, it's very a$$ like. Cool off and maybe we'll have a happy list again with you as another valuable member. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work '85 300D (280,176) parts car Quoting Michael Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Sounds like you'd be great with a 20 year old VCR.
Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick
Sounds like you'd be great with a 20 year old VCR. On 10/24/06, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Brains and personality have a pre-allocated space in your brain. The more brains you get, the less personality you get. Less brains (to a point) and more personality. Ever met a genius? Dumb as a box of rocks when it comes to simple things like operating a 20 year old VCR. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work '85 300D (280,176) parts car Quoting Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > you are pretty smart for being such a dope. how you manage that? > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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i'm just brilliant in all areas. the exception that proves the rule? On 10/24/06, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Brains and personality have a pre-allocated space in your brain. The more brains you get, the less personality you get. Less brains (to a point) and more personality. Ever met a genius? Dumb as a box of rocks when it comes to simple things like operating a 20 year old VCR. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work '85 300D (280,176) parts car Quoting Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > you are pretty smart for being such a dope. how you manage that? > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick
Brains and personality have a pre-allocated space in your brain. The more brains you get, the less personality you get. Less brains (to a point) and more personality. Ever met a genius? Dumb as a box of rocks when it comes to simple things like operating a 20 year old VCR. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work '85 300D (280,176) parts car Quoting Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: you are pretty smart for being such a dope. how you manage that?
Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick
i once went to MIT, but security took me out quickly. do you sing "rocky top" in the shower? On 10/24/06, Michael Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 10/24/06, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > you are pretty smart for being such a dope. how you manage that? A mixture of hard work and repressed anger. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Look like a real nice clean shop, congrats. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Hall Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 1:43 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick Started in ~93, our house was built with a 4 car garage to go full time in '97 Then our neighbor hood got upset by the constant flow on MB's in and out of the neighborhoof, so he bought a 3 bay garage in ~99, in 02 we demolished the old garage and built a modern 4 bay facilty, then expanded to 6 bays in ~04 Pics from around the shop available here: http://www.easttennesseeonlinemarketing.com/jareks/jareks.html Never met the owner - our guy is Craig Wilson, he's a pretty young G-Tech Grad. You may know or have heard of Pat Evens, the "advisor" over there - I think he used to be the shop foreman over at RBM, raced 16V's. Mike On 10/24/06, Rusty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yeah, I worked for them as sales manager from 1976 till 1985. We have a > less than amicable relationship. Not many folks still there from when I > was, but the owner, Mrs. Shelton has a real long memory. Oh well. I have > never heard of Jarek's, when did he open up? > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Hall > Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 12:16 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick > > Jarek's Car Service in Knoxville - we buy most of our parts from GAP in > Atlanta - no doubt you've heard of them. > > Mike > > On 10/24/06, Rusty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Mike, what is the name of your dad's shop and where is it? I might > know > > him. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Hall > > Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 11:18 AM > > To: Mercedes Discussion List > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick > > > > > > Glad you asked. I started working on MB's when I was 8 years old - > > thats > > about the time my dad, who was trained in Europe as a mechanic, > started > > working on MB's part time at our house. By the time I was 12, I could > > do > > (and did do) almost any type of maintence on 123, 126, 201, 124, and > 107 > > chassis. I have worked at my father's shop 50-60 hours a week every > > summer > > since I was 15, diagnosing, repairing, and test driving MB's. That > adds > > up > > to about 4,000 hours of MB repair. I have attended training seminars > > and > > conferences related to MB repair - my most recent certification is for > > CAN > > bus diagnostics and repair and engine diagnostics and repair on 111, > > 112, > > 113, 137, 271, 272, 275, & 648 motors. I have rebuilt 616's, 617's, > > 603's, > > 602's, 103's, 104's, 11 7's, 116's, 119's, 111's, 112's, and 113's. > > I've > > done core evaporators on 123's, 124's, 107's, 129's, 126's, 210's, and > > 140's. Although we outsource most of our tranny rebuilds because we > > don't > > have a dyno, I have done a complete soft parts on my personal 722.3. > > I've > > also dismantled 123, 124, 126, 210, and 140 chassis cars for parting > > out. > > > > Lest you think I'm some meathead mechanics son, I also maintained a > 4.0 > > in > > highschool and scored a 1570 on my SAT's, which landed me at the Mass. > > Institute of Technology (MIT) where I spent 2 years studying > engineering > > before transfering back home to the University of Tennessee, where I'm > > currently studying Finance and Statistics, (while working part time at > > my > > dads shop to pay for my education). I also own my own small business > > that > > specializes in online automotive sales. > > > > Now that I think about it, I'm probably not qualified enough to say > > anything > > related to the repair, diagnostics, or operation of Mercedes. > > > > Oh well, > > Mike > > ___ > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >
Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick
Not to get into this discussion or keep it going. Wouldn't it be easier to ask Mercedes the question about their transmissions instead of arguing about who was right? Maybe even refer to a manual of some sort to see whats what? Regarding the who's car starts in what gear, I recall Mercedes actually programmed the trannys on certain 300D and 300 Turbo Diesels in the mid 80's to start in second gear just to prevent the wheels from spinning on slippery surfaces. That I believe was what they did until traction control came out Harry 69 280 SEL 135,000 Miles 72 350SL 118,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick *sigh* Did you read your own message? >Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:16:26 -0400 >From: "Michael Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick >To: "Mercedes Discussion List" >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >What is the point this list? I was under the impression that it was to >disseminate information about Mercedes. So when some one says >something >that is blatantly wrong, those of us who recognize the error are >supposed to >sit by and watch? Steve asked why 2 of his 123's start in second, and >1 starts in first. So I replied: >"Mercedes has offered too many transmissions in too many different cars >to >unilaterally say what gear a given car will start in. I think a 79 240D >should have a 722.117 and the 83 300D should have a 722.315 and both >SHOULD start in 2nd gear. - '83 300D is turbo? I'm not sure if it could be either or not. >The 85 CALIFORNIA version should have what is >essentially a 201 chassis tranny in a case that fits in a 123 - I >believe >this would be a 722.416, but either way, it SHOULD start in first gear. >A Federal 85 should have the same 722.315 as an 83." >Kaleb, however, decided I was wrong, and "The 123 and 126 turbo cars >start in FIRST" >Except then Tom Hargrave, Jim Cathey and Peter Frederick all made >mention of cars that violated Kaleb's decree. OK Don went on to quote his 115 >Chassis manual making mention of "1st. gear can be engaged only by means of >kickdown" ie, second gear starts. -115 300D ISN'T a turbo. Besides which Kaleb was quite specific saying 123 and 126. >Then Kaleb tried to show he was right by twisting his own words and >saying "they start in 1st, as I have said many times already. The part about >them sitting in 2nd is correct, they sit in 2nd till you start moving, but >start in first." Wait, did manage to contradict yourself twice in the span >of two sentences? -Uhh no, he said they start in first. There was plenty of discussion on why they sit in second. >And then Mitch Haley goes on to say the W116 Service book states >300SD's start in second. -Again thats a 116, not the 123 and 126 Kaleb referenced above. As I said in my other message I don't much care what gear they start in. My problem is that it seems like you've somehow taken this as a personal affront and decided that because you disagree with someone you can call them names and generally act like you're 12. "Just because you say it doesn't make it right" comes to mind. Adults usually back up their position with facts and other documentation. You have to tell us your qualifications. I don't care who you are you are capable of making mistakes. If you're right thats terrific but if you can't prove you're right you might as well be wrong. -Curt - Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. - Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection.
Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick
On 10/24/06, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: you are pretty smart for being such a dope. how you manage that? A mixture of hard work and repressed anger.
Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick
you are pretty smart for being such a dope. how you manage that? On 10/24/06, Michael Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 10/24/06, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > "Just because you say it doesn't make it right" comes to mind. Adults > usually back up their position > with facts and other documentation. I'm actually the only one who attempted to do so, only to be told my facts and documentation isn't good enough. You have to tell us your qualifications. Glad you asked. I started working on MB's when I was 8 years old - thats about the time my dad, who was trained in Europe as a mechanic, started working on MB's part time at our house. By the time I was 12, I could do (and did do) almost any type of maintence on 123, 126, 201, 124, and 107 chassis. I have worked at my father's shop 50-60 hours a week every summer since I was 15, diagnosing, repairing, and test driving MB's. That adds up to about 4,000 hours of MB repair. I have attended training seminars and conferences related to MB repair - my most recent certification is for CAN bus diagnostics and repair and engine diagnostics and repair on 111, 112, 113, 137, 271, 272, 275, & 648 motors. I have rebuilt 616's, 617's, 603's, 602's, 103's, 104's, 11 7's, 116's, 119's, 111's, 112's, and 113's. I've done core evaporators on 123's, 124's, 107's, 129's, 126's, 210's, and 140's. Although we outsource most of our tranny rebuilds because we don't have a dyno, I have done a complete soft parts on my personal 722.3. I've also dismantled 123, 124, 126, 210, and 140 chassis cars for parting out. Lest you think I'm some meathead mechanics son, I also maintained a 4.0 in highschool and scored a 1570 on my SAT's, which landed me at the Mass. Institute of Technology (MIT) where I spent 2 years studying engineering before transfering back home to the University of Tennessee, where I'm currently studying Finance and Statistics, (while working part time at my dads shop to pay for my education). I also own my own small business that specializes in online automotive sales. Now that I think about it, I'm probably not qualified enough to say anything related to the repair, diagnostics, or operation of Mercedes. Oh well, Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick
Started in ~93, our house was built with a 4 car garage to go full time in '97 Then our neighbor hood got upset by the constant flow on MB's in and out of the neighborhoof, so he bought a 3 bay garage in ~99, in 02 we demolished the old garage and built a modern 4 bay facilty, then expanded to 6 bays in ~04 Pics from around the shop available here: http://www.easttennesseeonlinemarketing.com/jareks/jareks.html Never met the owner - our guy is Craig Wilson, he's a pretty young G-Tech Grad. You may know or have heard of Pat Evens, the "advisor" over there - I think he used to be the shop foreman over at RBM, raced 16V's. Mike On 10/24/06, Rusty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yeah, I worked for them as sales manager from 1976 till 1985. We have a less than amicable relationship. Not many folks still there from when I was, but the owner, Mrs. Shelton has a real long memory. Oh well. I have never heard of Jarek's, when did he open up? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Hall Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 12:16 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick Jarek's Car Service in Knoxville - we buy most of our parts from GAP in Atlanta - no doubt you've heard of them. Mike On 10/24/06, Rusty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Mike, what is the name of your dad's shop and where is it? I might know > him. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Hall > Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 11:18 AM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick > > > Glad you asked. I started working on MB's when I was 8 years old - > thats > about the time my dad, who was trained in Europe as a mechanic, started > working on MB's part time at our house. By the time I was 12, I could > do > (and did do) almost any type of maintence on 123, 126, 201, 124, and 107 > chassis. I have worked at my father's shop 50-60 hours a week every > summer > since I was 15, diagnosing, repairing, and test driving MB's. That adds > up > to about 4,000 hours of MB repair. I have attended training seminars > and > conferences related to MB repair - my most recent certification is for > CAN > bus diagnostics and repair and engine diagnostics and repair on 111, > 112, > 113, 137, 271, 272, 275, & 648 motors. I have rebuilt 616's, 617's, > 603's, > 602's, 103's, 104's, 11 7's, 116's, 119's, 111's, 112's, and 113's. > I've > done core evaporators on 123's, 124's, 107's, 129's, 126's, 210's, and > 140's. Although we outsource most of our tranny rebuilds because we > don't > have a dyno, I have done a complete soft parts on my personal 722.3. > I've > also dismantled 123, 124, 126, 210, and 140 chassis cars for parting > out. > > Lest you think I'm some meathead mechanics son, I also maintained a 4.0 > in > highschool and scored a 1570 on my SAT's, which landed me at the Mass. > Institute of Technology (MIT) where I spent 2 years studying engineering > before transfering back home to the University of Tennessee, where I'm > currently studying Finance and Statistics, (while working part time at > my > dads shop to pay for my education). I also own my own small business > that > specializes in online automotive sales. > > Now that I think about it, I'm probably not qualified enough to say > anything > related to the repair, diagnostics, or operation of Mercedes. > > Oh well, > Mike > ___ > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yeah, I worked for them as sales manager from 1976 till 1985. We have a less than amicable relationship. Not many folks still there from when I was, but the owner, Mrs. Shelton has a real long memory. Oh well. I have never heard of Jarek's, when did he open up? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Hall Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 12:16 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick Jarek's Car Service in Knoxville - we buy most of our parts from GAP in Atlanta - no doubt you've heard of them. Mike On 10/24/06, Rusty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Mike, what is the name of your dad's shop and where is it? I might know > him. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Hall > Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 11:18 AM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick > > > Glad you asked. I started working on MB's when I was 8 years old - > thats > about the time my dad, who was trained in Europe as a mechanic, started > working on MB's part time at our house. By the time I was 12, I could > do > (and did do) almost any type of maintence on 123, 126, 201, 124, and 107 > chassis. I have worked at my father's shop 50-60 hours a week every > summer > since I was 15, diagnosing, repairing, and test driving MB's. That adds > up > to about 4,000 hours of MB repair. I have attended training seminars > and > conferences related to MB repair - my most recent certification is for > CAN > bus diagnostics and repair and engine diagnostics and repair on 111, > 112, > 113, 137, 271, 272, 275, & 648 motors. I have rebuilt 616's, 617's, > 603's, > 602's, 103's, 104's, 11 7's, 116's, 119's, 111's, 112's, and 113's. > I've > done core evaporators on 123's, 124's, 107's, 129's, 126's, 210's, and > 140's. Although we outsource most of our tranny rebuilds because we > don't > have a dyno, I have done a complete soft parts on my personal 722.3. > I've > also dismantled 123, 124, 126, 210, and 140 chassis cars for parting > out. > > Lest you think I'm some meathead mechanics son, I also maintained a 4.0 > in > highschool and scored a 1570 on my SAT's, which landed me at the Mass. > Institute of Technology (MIT) where I spent 2 years studying engineering > before transfering back home to the University of Tennessee, where I'm > currently studying Finance and Statistics, (while working part time at > my > dads shop to pay for my education). I also own my own small business > that > specializes in online automotive sales. > > Now that I think about it, I'm probably not qualified enough to say > anything > related to the repair, diagnostics, or operation of Mercedes. > > Oh well, > Mike > ___ > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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So aside from that, what makes you think you know anything? --R (a former Beaver -- sec tan cos sin 3.14159) Michael Hall wrote: On 10/24/06, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "Just because you say it doesn't make it right" comes to mind. Adults usually back up their position with facts and other documentation. I'm actually the only one who attempted to do so, only to be told my facts and documentation isn't good enough. You have to tell us your qualifications. Glad you asked. I started working on MB's when I was 8 years old - thats about the time my dad, who was trained in Europe as a mechanic, started working on MB's part time at our house. By the time I was 12, I could do (and did do) almost any type of maintence on 123, 126, 201, 124, and 107 chassis. I have worked at my father's shop 50-60 hours a week every summer since I was 15, diagnosing, repairing, and test driving MB's. That adds up to about 4,000 hours of MB repair. I have attended training seminars and conferences related to MB repair - my most recent certification is for CAN bus diagnostics and repair and engine diagnostics and repair on 111, 112, 113, 137, 271, 272, 275, & 648 motors. I have rebuilt 616's, 617's, 603's, 602's, 103's, 104's, 11 7's, 116's, 119's, 111's, 112's, and 113's. I've done core evaporators on 123's, 124's, 107's, 129's, 126's, 210's, and 140's. Although we outsource most of our tranny rebuilds because we don't have a dyno, I have done a complete soft parts on my personal 722.3. I've also dismantled 123, 124, 126, 210, and 140 chassis cars for parting out. Lest you think I'm some meathead mechanics son, I also maintained a 4.0 in highschool and scored a 1570 on my SAT's, which landed me at the Mass. Institute of Technology (MIT) where I spent 2 years studying engineering before transfering back home to the University of Tennessee, where I'm currently studying Finance and Statistics, (while working part time at my dads shop to pay for my education). I also own my own small business that specializes in online automotive sales. Now that I think about it, I'm probably not qualified enough to say anything related to the repair, diagnostics, or operation of Mercedes. Oh well, Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick
Jarek's Car Service in Knoxville - we buy most of our parts from GAP in Atlanta - no doubt you've heard of them. Mike On 10/24/06, Rusty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Mike, what is the name of your dad's shop and where is it? I might know him. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Hall Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 11:18 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick Glad you asked. I started working on MB's when I was 8 years old - thats about the time my dad, who was trained in Europe as a mechanic, started working on MB's part time at our house. By the time I was 12, I could do (and did do) almost any type of maintence on 123, 126, 201, 124, and 107 chassis. I have worked at my father's shop 50-60 hours a week every summer since I was 15, diagnosing, repairing, and test driving MB's. That adds up to about 4,000 hours of MB repair. I have attended training seminars and conferences related to MB repair - my most recent certification is for CAN bus diagnostics and repair and engine diagnostics and repair on 111, 112, 113, 137, 271, 272, 275, & 648 motors. I have rebuilt 616's, 617's, 603's, 602's, 103's, 104's, 11 7's, 116's, 119's, 111's, 112's, and 113's. I've done core evaporators on 123's, 124's, 107's, 129's, 126's, 210's, and 140's. Although we outsource most of our tranny rebuilds because we don't have a dyno, I have done a complete soft parts on my personal 722.3. I've also dismantled 123, 124, 126, 210, and 140 chassis cars for parting out. Lest you think I'm some meathead mechanics son, I also maintained a 4.0 in highschool and scored a 1570 on my SAT's, which landed me at the Mass. Institute of Technology (MIT) where I spent 2 years studying engineering before transfering back home to the University of Tennessee, where I'm currently studying Finance and Statistics, (while working part time at my dads shop to pay for my education). I also own my own small business that specializes in online automotive sales. Now that I think about it, I'm probably not qualified enough to say anything related to the repair, diagnostics, or operation of Mercedes. Oh well, Mike ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick
Mike, what is the name of your dad's shop and where is it? I might know him. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Hall Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 11:18 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick Glad you asked. I started working on MB's when I was 8 years old - thats about the time my dad, who was trained in Europe as a mechanic, started working on MB's part time at our house. By the time I was 12, I could do (and did do) almost any type of maintence on 123, 126, 201, 124, and 107 chassis. I have worked at my father's shop 50-60 hours a week every summer since I was 15, diagnosing, repairing, and test driving MB's. That adds up to about 4,000 hours of MB repair. I have attended training seminars and conferences related to MB repair - my most recent certification is for CAN bus diagnostics and repair and engine diagnostics and repair on 111, 112, 113, 137, 271, 272, 275, & 648 motors. I have rebuilt 616's, 617's, 603's, 602's, 103's, 104's, 11 7's, 116's, 119's, 111's, 112's, and 113's. I've done core evaporators on 123's, 124's, 107's, 129's, 126's, 210's, and 140's. Although we outsource most of our tranny rebuilds because we don't have a dyno, I have done a complete soft parts on my personal 722.3. I've also dismantled 123, 124, 126, 210, and 140 chassis cars for parting out. Lest you think I'm some meathead mechanics son, I also maintained a 4.0 in highschool and scored a 1570 on my SAT's, which landed me at the Mass. Institute of Technology (MIT) where I spent 2 years studying engineering before transfering back home to the University of Tennessee, where I'm currently studying Finance and Statistics, (while working part time at my dads shop to pay for my education). I also own my own small business that specializes in online automotive sales. Now that I think about it, I'm probably not qualified enough to say anything related to the repair, diagnostics, or operation of Mercedes. Oh well, Mike ___
Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick
On 10/24/06, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "Just because you say it doesn't make it right" comes to mind. Adults usually back up their position with facts and other documentation. I'm actually the only one who attempted to do so, only to be told my facts and documentation isn't good enough. You have to tell us your qualifications. Glad you asked. I started working on MB's when I was 8 years old - thats about the time my dad, who was trained in Europe as a mechanic, started working on MB's part time at our house. By the time I was 12, I could do (and did do) almost any type of maintence on 123, 126, 201, 124, and 107 chassis. I have worked at my father's shop 50-60 hours a week every summer since I was 15, diagnosing, repairing, and test driving MB's. That adds up to about 4,000 hours of MB repair. I have attended training seminars and conferences related to MB repair - my most recent certification is for CAN bus diagnostics and repair and engine diagnostics and repair on 111, 112, 113, 137, 271, 272, 275, & 648 motors. I have rebuilt 616's, 617's, 603's, 602's, 103's, 104's, 11 7's, 116's, 119's, 111's, 112's, and 113's. I've done core evaporators on 123's, 124's, 107's, 129's, 126's, 210's, and 140's. Although we outsource most of our tranny rebuilds because we don't have a dyno, I have done a complete soft parts on my personal 722.3. I've also dismantled 123, 124, 126, 210, and 140 chassis cars for parting out. Lest you think I'm some meathead mechanics son, I also maintained a 4.0 in highschool and scored a 1570 on my SAT's, which landed me at the Mass. Institute of Technology (MIT) where I spent 2 years studying engineering before transfering back home to the University of Tennessee, where I'm currently studying Finance and Statistics, (while working part time at my dads shop to pay for my education). I also own my own small business that specializes in online automotive sales. Now that I think about it, I'm probably not qualified enough to say anything related to the repair, diagnostics, or operation of Mercedes. Oh well, Mike
Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick
*sigh* Did you read your own message? >Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:16:26 -0400 >From: "Michael Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick >To: "Mercedes Discussion List" >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >What is the point this list? I was under the impression that it was to >disseminate information about Mercedes. So when some one says >something >that is blatantly wrong, those of us who recognize the error are >supposed to >sit by and watch? Steve asked why 2 of his 123's start in second, and >1 starts in first. So I replied: >"Mercedes has offered too many transmissions in too many different cars >to >unilaterally say what gear a given car will start in. I think a 79 240D >should have a 722.117 and the 83 300D should have a 722.315 and both >SHOULD start in 2nd gear. - '83 300D is turbo? I'm not sure if it could be either or not. >The 85 CALIFORNIA version should have what is >essentially a 201 chassis tranny in a case that fits in a 123 - I >believe >this would be a 722.416, but either way, it SHOULD start in first gear. >A Federal 85 should have the same 722.315 as an 83." >Kaleb, however, decided I was wrong, and "The 123 and 126 turbo cars >start in FIRST" >Except then Tom Hargrave, Jim Cathey and Peter Frederick all made >mention of cars that violated Kaleb's decree. OK Don went on to quote his 115 >Chassis manual making mention of "1st. gear can be engaged only by means of >kickdown" ie, second gear starts. -115 300D ISN'T a turbo. Besides which Kaleb was quite specific saying 123 and 126. >Then Kaleb tried to show he was right by twisting his own words and >saying "they start in 1st, as I have said many times already. The part about >them sitting in 2nd is correct, they sit in 2nd till you start moving, but >start in first." Wait, did manage to contradict yourself twice in the span >of two sentences? -Uhh no, he said they start in first. There was plenty of discussion on why they sit in second. >And then Mitch Haley goes on to say the W116 Service book states >300SD's start in second. -Again thats a 116, not the 123 and 126 Kaleb referenced above. As I said in my other message I don't much care what gear they start in. My problem is that it seems like you've somehow taken this as a personal affront and decided that because you disagree with someone you can call them names and generally act like you're 12. "Just because you say it doesn't make it right" comes to mind. Adults usually back up their position with facts and other documentation. You have to tell us your qualifications. I don't care who you are you are capable of making mistakes. If you're right thats terrific but if you can't prove you're right you might as well be wrong. -Curt - Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. - Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Oct 24 13:37:29 2006 Received: from web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.206.42]) by server8.arterytc8.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GcMTA-00078J-DG for [email protected]; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:37:28 + Received: (qmail 41975 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Oct 2006 13:37:23 - Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from [198.51.119.130] by web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 06:37:23 PDT Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 06:37:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Diesel List MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9.cp1 Subject: Re: [MBZ] I have heat now, WAS: Re: B! It's Cold and I have no heat X-BeenThere: [email protected] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: <http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: List-Post: <mailto:[email protected]> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:37:29 - Actually I went through this on my '81 300TD. Had a brand new thermostat housing but my Indy didn't change the coolant so the bars leaks sie
Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick
What is the point this list? I was under the impression that it was to disseminate information about Mercedes. So when some one says something that is blatantly wrong, those of us who recognize the error are supposed to sit by and watch? Steve asked why 2 of his 123's start in second, and 1 starts in first. So I replied: "Mercedes has offered too many transmissions in too many different cars to unilaterally say what gear a given car will start in. I think a 79 240D should have a 722.117 and the 83 300D should have a 722.315 and both SHOULD start in 2nd gear. The 85 CALIFORNIA version should have what is essentially a 201 chassis tranny in a case that fits in a 123 - I believe this would be a 722.416, but either way, it SHOULD start in first gear. A Federal 85 should have the same 722.315 as an 83." Kaleb, however, decided I was wrong, and "The 123 and 126 turbo cars start in FIRST" Except then Tom Hargrave, Jim Cathey and Peter Frederick all made mention of cars that violated Kaleb's decree. OK Don went on to quote his 115 Chassis manual making mention of "1st. gear can be engaged only by means of kickdown" ie, second gear starts. Then Kaleb tried to show he was right by twisting his own words and saying "they start in 1st, as I have said many times already. The part about them sitting in 2nd is correct, they sit in 2nd till you start moving, but start in first." Wait, did manage to contradict yourself twice in the span of two sentences? And then Mitch Haley goes on to say the W116 Service book states 300SD's start in second. Then Mike Canfeild decided to tell me I'm wrong, by saying that non-turbos start in second gear. Interesting - what did I say to contradict that? Then Kaleb fesses up to 116's starting in 2nd. H So I make an effort to provide some actual facts behind what I, and EVERYONE ELSE has been saying. I don't see anyone else who has made the effort to post anything remotely official, other than saying that I am wrong, then backing it up evidence that furthers my point. There has yet to be a single post from anyone other than Kaleb giving any reasons for my being wrong - most people agree with me. But everyone says I'm wrong because Kaleb does. You guys have spent too much time on eBay, and now its you guys that are smoking the crack. This is just ridiculous, Mike On 10/23/06, Steve MacSween <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: on 10/23/06 9:16 AM, Michael Hall at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Or the underlying belief by many on > this list that he [Marshall, no Kaleb] was essentially God, which must get > boring after a while [as apposed to Kaleb, who thinks he's God but most > people don't agree, so he's entertained trying to prove he is].
