Re: [MBZ] Keys Benz content

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

There’s a little ring antenna thingie around the keyhole that reads the chip, I 
guess it’s RFID, then the AAM decides its good and allows the car to start. 
This has likely failed on the 05ML500 and won’t read the chip and let the fer 
start. But it doesn’t work with the straight key either so I don’t know. 

--FT
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> On Jan 14, 2020, at 8:43 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well, it is probably not even a key, but an electronic code (RFID chip) that 
> the computer says will allow you to ASK the computer to start the engine.   
> (or beg...)
> But yes, 500 is in the range I have heard, PLUS programming from MB owners.
> 
> I'd be looking for a way to remove the "key" part of the ign switch, so that 
> you can turn the switch with some other method.  Like using a screwdriver on 
> MBs with real keys, after you remove the tumbler.   You have to have one key 
> to remove the tumbler on switches with real keys, so I'd guess you have to 
> have a key to remove the "tumbler" part of the electronic request system.
>> Rick Hawkins Java Letterpress Cycles Photon via Mercedes 
>> 
>> January 14, 2020 at 3:14 PM
>> Folks
>> 
>> I lost the key to my 2007 Kia Sedona. And the remote. I screwed around and 
>> talked to some locksmiths etc who told me a bunch of lies and bullshit 
>> Anyway, with some difficulty I got the key code for free from Kia Country of 
>> Savannah Then I found a nearby locksmith who made me 2 keys for $50 which 
>> was too much, but they fit. These are NOT transponder keys which I does not 
>> have. Has anyone tried to program a $10 remote on a Kia? That is the next 
>> project
>> 
>> Now, since I have the 2004 Dodge [sprinter] with only one key, I thought I’d 
>> look into getting a spare for that. I called the stealer in Savannah and 
>> they will happily sell me a switchblade fob and key for  get ready for 
>> this  $499. But wait, there is more THEN you have to contract with the 
>> service Dept to get that programmed ... I didn’t even bother to get a quote 
>> on that. They lost me at $500 for a key.
>> 
>> Has anyone been here and done that? Either the Kia remote or a sprinter 
>> transponder key?
>> 
>> Xx rick
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Keys Benz content

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

LOL.  Sort of cheapens the brand...

On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 6:43 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Well, it is probably not even a key, but an electronic code (RFID chip)
> that the computer says will allow you to ASK the computer to start the
> engine.   (or beg...)
> But yes, 500 is in the range I have heard, PLUS programming from MB owners.
>
> I'd be looking for a way to remove the "key" part of the ign switch, so
> that you can turn the switch with some other method.  Like using a
> screwdriver on MBs with real keys, after you remove the tumbler.   You
> have to have one key to remove the tumbler on switches with real keys,
> so I'd guess you have to have a key to remove the "tumbler" part of the
> electronic request system.
> > Rick Hawkins Java Letterpress Cycles Photon via Mercedes
> > 
> > January 14, 2020 at 3:14 PM
> > Folks
> >
> > I lost the key to my 2007 Kia Sedona. And the remote. I screwed around
> > and talked to some locksmiths etc who told me a bunch of lies and
> > bullshit Anyway, with some difficulty I got the key code for free from
> > Kia Country of Savannah Then I found a nearby locksmith who made me 2
> > keys for $50 which was too much, but they fit. These are NOT
> > transponder keys which I does not have. Has anyone tried to program a
> > $10 remote on a Kia? That is the next project
> >
> > Now, since I have the 2004 Dodge [sprinter] with only one key, I
> > thought I’d look into getting a spare for that. I called the stealer
> > in Savannah and they will happily sell me a switchblade fob and key
> > for  get ready for this  $499. But wait, there is more THEN
> > you have to contract with the service Dept to get that programmed ...
> > I didn’t even bother to get a quote on that. They lost me at $500 for
> > a key.
> >
> > Has anyone been here and done that? Either the Kia remote or a
> > sprinter transponder key?
> >
> > Xx rick
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Keys Benz content

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Well, it is probably not even a key, but an electronic code (RFID chip) 
that the computer says will allow you to ASK the computer to start the 
engine.   (or beg...)

But yes, 500 is in the range I have heard, PLUS programming from MB owners.

I'd be looking for a way to remove the "key" part of the ign switch, so 
that you can turn the switch with some other method.  Like using a 
screwdriver on MBs with real keys, after you remove the tumbler.   You 
have to have one key to remove the tumbler on switches with real keys, 
so I'd guess you have to have a key to remove the "tumbler" part of the 
electronic request system.
Rick Hawkins Java Letterpress Cycles Photon via Mercedes 


January 14, 2020 at 3:14 PM
Folks

I lost the key to my 2007 Kia Sedona. And the remote. I screwed around 
and talked to some locksmiths etc who told me a bunch of lies and 
bullshit Anyway, with some difficulty I got the key code for free from 
Kia Country of Savannah Then I found a nearby locksmith who made me 2 
keys for $50 which was too much, but they fit. These are NOT 
transponder keys which I does not have. Has anyone tried to program a 
$10 remote on a Kia? That is the next project


Now, since I have the 2004 Dodge [sprinter] with only one key, I 
thought I’d look into getting a spare for that. I called the stealer 
in Savannah and they will happily sell me a switchblade fob and key 
for  get ready for this  $499. But wait, there is more THEN 
you have to contract with the service Dept to get that programmed ... 
I didn’t even bother to get a quote on that. They lost me at $500 for 
a key.


Has anyone been here and done that? Either the Kia remote or a 
sprinter transponder key?


Xx rick

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Re: [MBZ] Keys Benz content

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 For VWs at least up until my 2015 I send a picture of the existing key plus my 
registration and driver's license to fixmyvw.com who sends me the key and fob. 
My VCDS (programmer cable) can program Angie's 2005 Golf to recognize the fob 
but I needed to borrow a different cable to get the secret code out of the car.
I haven't been able to figure out how to get additional keys for the 2015 Jetta 
yet, gotta call the stealer and see how much they want.
-Curt

On Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 4:23:43 PM EST, Max Dillon via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 
Wow. I wonder if you can buy a used MB fob on eBay, and get that programmed and 
fitted with the right physical key (blade). I'll bet the programming can be 
done pretty cheap, bring a box of donuts on a Friday morning and ask real nice.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jan 14, 2020 4:15:43 PM Rick Hawkins Java Letterpress Cycles Photon via 
Mercedes :

> Folks
> 
> I lost the key to my 2007 Kia Sedona. And the remote. I screwed around and 
> talked to some locksmiths etc who told me a bunch of lies and bullshit 
> Anyway, with some difficulty I got the key code for free from Kia Country of 
> Savannah Then I found a nearby locksmith who made me 2 keys for $50 which was 
> too much, but they fit. These are NOT transponder keys which I does not have. 
> Has anyone tried to program a $10 remote on a Kia? That is the next project
> 
> Now, since I have the 2004 Dodge [sprinter] with only one key, I thought I’d 
> look into getting a spare for that. I called the stealer in Savannah and they 
> will happily sell me a switchblade fob and key for  get ready for this 
>  $499. But wait, there is more THEN you have to contract with the service 
> Dept to get that programmed ... I didn’t even bother to get a quote on that. 
> They lost me at $500 for a key.
> 
> Has anyone been here and done that? Either the Kia remote or a sprinter 
> transponder key?
> 
> Xx rick
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Keys Benz content

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

The R129, W163 and I believe even late W140 key fobs are affected by this issue 
of availability.

The W211 keys are just as bad. I was going to get a spare for the eldest’s E320 
CDI until my friendly dealer parts guy chuckled and told me what my cost was. 
He said my reaction was nothing compared to that of consumers who come in and 
want to buy one over the counter (list price).

Nope.

A 99 ML320 will have a key with a transponder chip in it. It should be a 
“Mickey Mouse" key with a black plastic fob that has “ears” on it - unless it’s 
just the key blade. If that’s the case, the car would crank but not start. The 
straight key blade is only intended to unlock/lock doors.

I have both the “switchblade” fob and a Mickey Mouse key for the wife’s R129. 
The fob will unlock the car at night, but not in the daytime as the IR stuff 
much be so weak it can’t see the signal when there’s ambient light present.

-D


> On Jan 14, 2020, at 4:43 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> This whole key business is complete BS. Apparently R129 keys are just now 
> becoming available in the US in some limited quantities, have been in yurp 
> for a few months. Spendy. I guess the IR lock part needs to be programmed at 
> the stealer. I think 210 and 163 keys are also quite spendy. 
> 
> On the 05 ML500 I had to reprogram the recognition of the key (which has a 
> small chip of some sort in the housing) using the fancy computer to pair it 
> to the car then a sequence of key buttons presses. The car computer only has 
> 8 keys (chips actually I think) it can recognize, I don’t think you can get a 
> duplicate of one you have had but a new key has to be paired against one of 
> the remaining codes the car will recognize. And of course the metal part 
> needs to be cut. The chip and metal key are apparently central to the thing 
> actually starting the vehicle. But the remote aspect does the (un)locking and 
> that is what the car listens for. 
> 
> There are supposed programming things ($$$) on eBay that will (re)program a 
> key but reports suggest its hit or miss. Some locksmiths “might” be able to 
> do it with some fancy box but I don’t know. 
> 
> I’m wondering if the 99 ML320 stuck in limp mode might have had a chipped 
> key. The 05 does but all I have for the 99 is a straight metal key, and I 
> can’t get the fancy computer HHTWIN program to talk to the car though a cheap 
> WiFi OBD reader will see some codes, so I’m not sure what the deal is with 
> it. The computer talks fine to the 99 E320, go figure. 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
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>> On Jan 14, 2020, at 4:15 PM, Rick Hawkins Java Letterpress Cycles Photon via 
>> Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> Folks
>> 
>> I lost the key to my 2007 Kia Sedona. And the remote. I screwed around and 
>> talked to some locksmiths etc who told me a bunch of lies and bullshit  
>> Anyway, with some difficulty I got the key code for free from Kia Country of 
>> Savannah  Then I found a nearby locksmith who made me 2 keys for $50 which 
>> was too much, but they fit. These are NOT transponder keys which I does not 
>> have. Has anyone tried to program a $10 remote on a Kia? That is the next 
>> project
>> 
>> Now, since I have the 2004 Dodge [sprinter] with only one key, I thought I’d 
>> look into getting a spare for that. I called the stealer in Savannah and 
>> they will happily sell me a switchblade fob and key for  get ready for 
>> this  $499. But wait, there is more THEN you have to contract with the 
>> service Dept to get that programmed ... I didn’t even bother to get a quote 
>> on that. They lost me at $500 for a key.
>> 
>> Has anyone been here and done that? Either the Kia remote or a sprinter 
>> transponder key?
>> 
>> Xx rick
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Re: [MBZ] Keys Benz content

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

This whole key business is complete BS. Apparently R129 keys are just now 
becoming available in the US in some limited quantities, have been in yurp for 
a few months. Spendy. I guess the IR lock part needs to be programmed at the 
stealer. I think 210 and 163 keys are also quite spendy. 

On the 05 ML500 I had to reprogram the recognition of the key (which has a 
small chip of some sort in the housing) using the fancy computer to pair it to 
the car then a sequence of key buttons presses. The car computer only has 8 
keys (chips actually I think) it can recognize, I don’t think you can get a 
duplicate of one you have had but a new key has to be paired against one of the 
remaining codes the car will recognize. And of course the metal part needs to 
be cut. The chip and metal key are apparently central to the thing actually 
starting the vehicle. But the remote aspect does the (un)locking and that is 
what the car listens for. 

There are supposed programming things ($$$) on eBay that will (re)program a key 
but reports suggest its hit or miss. Some locksmiths “might” be able to do it 
with some fancy box but I don’t know. 

I’m wondering if the 99 ML320 stuck in limp mode might have had a chipped key. 
The 05 does but all I have for the 99 is a straight metal key, and I can’t get 
the fancy computer HHTWIN program to talk to the car though a cheap WiFi OBD 
reader will see some codes, so I’m not sure what the deal is with it. The 
computer talks fine to the 99 E320, go figure. 

--FT
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> On Jan 14, 2020, at 4:15 PM, Rick Hawkins Java Letterpress Cycles Photon via 
> Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Folks
> 
> I lost the key to my 2007 Kia Sedona. And the remote. I screwed around and 
> talked to some locksmiths etc who told me a bunch of lies and bullshit  
> Anyway, with some difficulty I got the key code for free from Kia Country of 
> Savannah  Then I found a nearby locksmith who made me 2 keys for $50 which 
> was too much, but they fit. These are NOT transponder keys which I does not 
> have. Has anyone tried to program a $10 remote on a Kia? That is the next 
> project
> 
> Now, since I have the 2004 Dodge [sprinter] with only one key, I thought I’d 
> look into getting a spare for that. I called the stealer in Savannah and they 
> will happily sell me a switchblade fob and key for  get ready for this 
>  $499. But wait, there is more THEN you have to contract with the service 
> Dept to get that programmed ... I didn’t even bother to get a quote on that. 
> They lost me at $500 for a key.
> 
> Has anyone been here and done that? Either the Kia remote or a sprinter 
> transponder key?
> 
> Xx rick
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Keys Benz content

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Wow. I wonder if you can buy a used MB fob on eBay, and get that programmed and 
fitted with the right physical key (blade). I'll bet the programming can be 
done pretty cheap, bring a box of donuts on a Friday morning and ask real nice.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jan 14, 2020 4:15:43 PM Rick Hawkins Java Letterpress Cycles Photon via 
Mercedes :

> Folks
> 
> I lost the key to my 2007 Kia Sedona. And the remote. I screwed around and 
> talked to some locksmiths etc who told me a bunch of lies and bullshit 
> Anyway, with some difficulty I got the key code for free from Kia Country of 
> Savannah Then I found a nearby locksmith who made me 2 keys for $50 which was 
> too much, but they fit. These are NOT transponder keys which I does not have. 
> Has anyone tried to program a $10 remote on a Kia? That is the next project
> 
> Now, since I have the 2004 Dodge [sprinter] with only one key, I thought I’d 
> look into getting a spare for that. I called the stealer in Savannah and they 
> will happily sell me a switchblade fob and key for  get ready for this 
>  $499. But wait, there is more THEN you have to contract with the service 
> Dept to get that programmed ... I didn’t even bother to get a quote on that. 
> They lost me at $500 for a key.
> 
> Has anyone been here and done that? Either the Kia remote or a sprinter 
> transponder key?
> 
> Xx rick
> 
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