Re: [MBZ] Kids not listening such as those on Fakebook
Kolledge is a ripoff. Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote on 7/7/19 6:35 PM: The rate of rise in price is amazing. 25 years ago a friend of mine started at BU for around $28k annually. At the time it was the 3rd most expensive school in the nation... Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The rate of rise in price is amazing. 25 years ago a friend of mine started at BU for around $28k annually. At the time it was the 3rd most expensive school in the nation... Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 8:49 PM, Clay Monroe via Mercedes wrote: #1 boy attended a state school out of state with rebate on tuition for attending a school part of a multi-state sharing program (we offer you lower tuition so you offer our kids lower than out of state deal). Annual cost was about $22k. #2 boy attends private institution at $65k per annum. #1 boy now has a career becoming an electrician which will pay a decent living wage as he progresses. Many of his class mates are pursuing post graduate programs because they could not find jobs to pay school loans. A few did get real job offers and are paying back loans. clay > On Jun 29, 2019, at 4:03 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > Put another way, make it into a business case. Inputs: total cost of degree > in a chosen field, and average wage in that field. Compare colleges based on > (a) the percentage of students who are employed in their chosen field after > graduation, and (b) cost of the degree vs. average wage. What is the risk, > what is the potential return on investment? > -- > Max Dillon > Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kids not listening such as those on Fakebook
#1 boy attended a state school out of state with rebate on tuition for attending a school part of a multi-state sharing program (we offer you lower tuition so you offer our kids lower than out of state deal). Annual cost was about $22k. #2 boy attends private institution at $65k per annum. #1 boy now has a career becoming an electrician which will pay a decent living wage as he progresses. Many of his class mates are pursuing post graduate programs because they could not find jobs to pay school loans. A few did get real job offers and are paying back loans. clay > On Jun 29, 2019, at 4:03 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > Put another way, make it into a business case. Inputs: total cost of degree > in a chosen field, and average wage in that field. Compare colleges based on > (a) the percentage of students who are employed in their chosen field after > graduation, and (b) cost of the degree vs. average wage. What is the risk, > what is the potential return on investment? > -- > Max Dillon > Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yup! Right now CNC programming, robotics etc and building trades (includes operating engineers) kick the buts of probably 80-90% of college degrees. CNC/robotics offer advancement paths beyond mastery by working for mfgrs/integrators. Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 6/29/19 7:03 AM: Put another way, make it into a business case. Inputs: total cost of degree in a chosen field, and average wage in that field. Compare colleges based on (a) the percentage of students who are employed in their chosen field after graduation, and (b) cost of the degree vs. average wage. What is the risk, what is the potential return on investment? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Put another way, make it into a business case. Inputs: total cost of degree in a chosen field, and average wage in that field. Compare colleges based on (a) the percentage of students who are employed in their chosen field after graduation, and (b) cost of the degree vs. average wage. What is the risk, what is the potential return on investment? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It would be east to make the case that "higher education" with government monopoly student loans is an effective way to enslave younger generations. > clay wrote: > > Higher education is being wasted ... They do not expand on the knowledge > base in any appreciable manner. Just seem to build a larger class of > indoctrination spewers who pollute the minds of people who could be making > their nations great once more, or still. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It would be east to make the case that "higher education" with government monopoly student loans is an effective way to enslave younger generations. > clay wrote: > > Higher education is being wasted ... They do not expand on the knowledge > base in any appreciable manner. Just seem to build a larger class of > indoctrination spewers who pollute the minds of people who could be making > their nations great once more, or still. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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1987, Stanford, PhD in Electrical Engineering. > -Original Message- > 1 question- when was,the last time you were,on a,college or university > campus? > > Dwight Giles Jr. > Wickford RI > > On Thu, Jun 27, 2019, 8:12 PM Clay Monroe via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > Higher education is being wasted on making and keeping the > > unemployable illiterati population expand so that college teachers can > > keep raking in a cheque. They do not expand on the knowledge base in > > any appreciable manner. Just seem to build a larger class of > > indoctrination spewers who pollute the minds of people who could be > > making their nations great once more, or still. > > > > The talentless will not gain talent by studying the arts, but by > > actually performing their craft. Twisting history to suit your > > personal agenda will not illuminate the past, but obscure the truth, > > leading to a loss of useful knowledge for the future. Higher > > education should return to guilds so that those who have actual > > valuable knowledge are able to pass it along to the next providers of useful > service to humanity. > > > > clay > > > > > On Jun 27, 2019, at 4:57 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > College makes sense for doctors, engineers, architects, etc. But > > > IMO, > > very few people need a BA ( at least very few compared to the number > > now enrolled). > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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We spent 20+ years there the last time. Corruption is rampant. Clay is right. Mike Rowe is right. Rick is right. College is gummit sponsored robbery for most kids. Hard sciences, medicos, Industrial Technology and similar, and engineering, yes. Pretty much everything else is a waste. Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote on 6/28/19 9:21 PM: 1 question- when was,the last time you were,on a,college or university campus? Dwight Giles Jr. Wickford RI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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1 question- when was,the last time you were,on a,college or university campus? Dwight Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Thu, Jun 27, 2019, 8:12 PM Clay Monroe via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Higher education is being wasted on making and keeping the unemployable > illiterati population expand so that college teachers can keep raking in a > cheque. They do not expand on the knowledge base in any appreciable > manner. Just seem to build a larger class of indoctrination spewers who > pollute the minds of people who could be making their nations great once > more, or still. > > The talentless will not gain talent by studying the arts, but by actually > performing their craft. Twisting history to suit your personal agenda will > not illuminate the past, but obscure the truth, leading to a loss of useful > knowledge for the future. Higher education should return to guilds so that > those who have actual valuable knowledge are able to pass it along to the > next providers of useful service to humanity. > > clay > > > On Jun 27, 2019, at 4:57 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > College makes sense for doctors, engineers, architects, etc. But IMO, > very few people need a BA ( at least very few compared to the number now > enrolled). > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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clay wrote: > Higher education is being wasted ... They do not expand on the knowledge base > in any appreciable manner. Just seem to build a larger class of > indoctrination spewers who pollute the minds of people who could be making > their nations great once more, or still. > That is unfounded and a typical sentiment among boomers. "Make our nation great once more, or still"? Nice sentiment, but backward time travel to b/w tv does not make our nation great once more. The real change might have been effective if Abraham Lincoln were not the president. Honest Abe was fraud... evidently. YES - more search/study is needed. Dunno, but it seems we are well cooked in false. tin ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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CNC operators/techs and robot programmers/service techs will do well. The community college here is trying to create them for the big manufacturing companies that are being lured here by no unions and hefty tax giveaways but the raw material is lacking among the local populace. --FT Sent from iPhone > On Jun 27, 2019, at 7:13 PM, Clay Monroe via Mercedes > wrote: > > This morning read an article from BBC about how Frod is cashing out 12k > employees ahead of brexit. The japanese are also chatting with the brits on > how to keep making cars there instead of just installing robots. There are a > great number of jobs that will be automated. SWMBA and her legal skills will > have to really step it up to remain relevant. There are ‘bots able to do her > work. The plumbers and electricians will remain well employed. Same with a > bunch of health workers. Like my physical therapist. That is not a job for > a robot > > clay > >> On Jun 27, 2019, at 11:21 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Heh. Did the same with the eldest. He’s currently in trade school learning >> to be a plumber. I told him if he worked hard and didn’t do anything stupid >> he would end up making more than I do. >> >> - > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Higher education is being wasted on making and keeping the unemployable illiterati population expand so that college teachers can keep raking in a cheque. They do not expand on the knowledge base in any appreciable manner. Just seem to build a larger class of indoctrination spewers who pollute the minds of people who could be making their nations great once more, or still. The talentless will not gain talent by studying the arts, but by actually performing their craft. Twisting history to suit your personal agenda will not illuminate the past, but obscure the truth, leading to a loss of useful knowledge for the future. Higher education should return to guilds so that those who have actual valuable knowledge are able to pass it along to the next providers of useful service to humanity. clay > On Jun 27, 2019, at 4:57 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes > wrote: > > College makes sense for doctors, engineers, architects, etc. But IMO, very > few people need a BA ( at least very few compared to the number now enrolled). > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I was at a KPMG conference in the late '80's where I heard one speaker proclaiming the value in hiring English, History, etc. majors for their critical thing and writing skills - the rest they would teach them. Seems business school didn't provide the right mix of skills for them. I don't know that they (or anyone else) are still doing that though ... On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 6:58 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > College makes sense for doctors, engineers, architects, etc. But IMO, > very few people need a BA ( at least very few compared to the number now > enrolled). > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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College makes sense for doctors, engineers, architects, etc. But IMO, very few people need a BA ( at least very few compared to the number now enrolled). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I got fluffy after she put a ring on me. But I was doing the cooking, so my own fault. SWMBA remains rail thin even after popping out two kids. There are a few gals that #1 boy knows who did not need a ring to plump up. They nailed down a fella and he had employment, the gals were “finding themselves”, mostly in the fridge it seems. The young men are too busy to bother off loading the females, so I posit the gals must have nice personalities. clay > On Jun 27, 2019, at 2:49 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes > wrote: > > He might find that he too puts on weight. Friends of ours back in highschool > got married and put on about 40 pounds in the first few months. I don't think > she did. > > On 27/06/2019 2:58 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: >> Tell him to put his gf on the scales and see what she tips it at today. I >> guarantee you if they move in together she will be 40lb more by this time >> next year having realized she has caught the boy and does not need to keep >> herself in good trim. The boy will then be miserable as she will be trying >> to run his life, and the situation will no longer be so attractive in >> various ways, and if he decides to call it quits then he will have this >> apartment and whatnot to carry along, he will want to move back in with >> you... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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This morning read an article from BBC about how Frod is cashing out 12k employees ahead of brexit. The japanese are also chatting with the brits on how to keep making cars there instead of just installing robots. There are a great number of jobs that will be automated. SWMBA and her legal skills will have to really step it up to remain relevant. There are ‘bots able to do her work. The plumbers and electricians will remain well employed. Same with a bunch of health workers. Like my physical therapist. That is not a job for a robot clay > On Jun 27, 2019, at 11:21 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes > wrote: > > Heh. Did the same with the eldest. He’s currently in trade school learning to > be a plumber. I told him if he worked hard and didn’t do anything stupid he > would end up making more than I do. > > - ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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He might find that he too puts on weight. Friends of ours back in highschool got married and put on about 40 pounds in the first few months. I don't think she did. On 27/06/2019 2:58 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: Tell him to put his gf on the scales and see what she tips it at today. I guarantee you if they move in together she will be 40lb more by this time next year having realized she has caught the boy and does not need to keep herself in good trim. The boy will then be miserable as she will be trying to run his life, and the situation will no longer be so attractive in various ways, and if he decides to call it quits then he will have this apartment and whatnot to carry along, he will want to move back in with you... --FT On 6/26/19 9:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: he 21 year old kid who just graduated from college with an associates. So he has this girlfriend and they have decided they want to move out soon and get an apartment. He will ask for advice in this but then does nothing you tell him he should do. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 27/06/2019 1:44 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: Choices: Learn a trade, be in demand, work a trade that is totally portable to any part of the country, earn a high income, never have student debt, get paid while you learn as an apprentice. or Go to college, struggle to "find yourself" while incurring huge student debt, have to pay off that student debt while seeking employment with your degree in "Underwater Liberal Basket Weaving". I have 2 sons. The younger is an auto mechanic. Paid his dues, so to speak, got his red seal journeyman certificate and bought and paid for a box full of expensive tools. Got paid to be an apprentice and the program paid his tuition for the periods he went to school. Now he has managed to get himself hired on with the City so he has a good wage plus benefits. He is very good at what he does. The elder went to university and has a master's degree. He got lucky, and he proved himself. He has a good job in his field, unlike many of his former classmates. He is an architect and currently working on the rehab of the main parliament buildings in Ottawa. He has no student debt as we were able to pay his tuition and other expenses and he went to the University of Manitoba, which is essentially within sight of our home. My wife also worked there for 40 years. I am proud of them both. They are quite different people. The younger did not really enjoy school, while the elder did so it is not a surprise that they have followed different paths. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Well yeah there’s that too --FT Sent from iPhone > On Jun 27, 2019, at 4:09 PM, OK Don via Mercedes > wrote: > > Hmm - I've never seen that play out in real life. The girl gets heavier > after he impregnates her …. > > On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 2:58 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> Tell him to put his gf on the scales and see what she tips it at today. >> I guarantee you if they move in together she will be 40lb more by this >> time next year having realized she has caught the boy and does not need >> to keep herself in good trim. The boy will then be miserable as she >> will be trying to run his life, and the situation will no longer be so >> attractive in various ways, and if he decides to call it quits then he >> will have this apartment and whatnot to carry along, he will want to >> move back in with you... >> >> --FT >> >>> On 6/26/19 9:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: >>> he 21 year old kid who just graduated from college with an associates. >>> So he has this girlfriend and they have decided they want to move out >>> soon and get an apartment. He will ask for advice in this but then >>> does nothing you tell him he should do. >> >> -- >> --FT >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > > -- > OK Don > > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to > pause and reflect." Mark Twain > > "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who > learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence > for themselves." > > WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Hmm - I've never seen that play out in real life. The girl gets heavier after he impregnates her …. On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 2:58 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Tell him to put his gf on the scales and see what she tips it at today. > I guarantee you if they move in together she will be 40lb more by this > time next year having realized she has caught the boy and does not need > to keep herself in good trim. The boy will then be miserable as she > will be trying to run his life, and the situation will no longer be so > attractive in various ways, and if he decides to call it quits then he > will have this apartment and whatnot to carry along, he will want to > move back in with you... > > --FT > > On 6/26/19 9:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > > he 21 year old kid who just graduated from college with an associates. > > So he has this girlfriend and they have decided they want to move out > > soon and get an apartment. He will ask for advice in this but then > > does nothing you tell him he should do. > > -- > --FT > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Tell him to put his gf on the scales and see what she tips it at today. I guarantee you if they move in together she will be 40lb more by this time next year having realized she has caught the boy and does not need to keep herself in good trim. The boy will then be miserable as she will be trying to run his life, and the situation will no longer be so attractive in various ways, and if he decides to call it quits then he will have this apartment and whatnot to carry along, he will want to move back in with you... --FT On 6/26/19 9:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: he 21 year old kid who just graduated from college with an associates. So he has this girlfriend and they have decided they want to move out soon and get an apartment. He will ask for advice in this but then does nothing you tell him he should do. -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Choices: Learn a trade, be in demand, work a trade that is totally portable to any part of the country, earn a high income, never have student debt, get paid while you learn as an apprentice. or Go to college, struggle to "find yourself" while incurring huge student debt, have to pay off that student debt while seeking employment with your degree in "Underwater Liberal Basket Weaving". You are 18, you know everything, you have no listening skills, and you get to live with the choices you make you decide. On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 11:33 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > On June 27, 2019 at 2:21 PM Dan--- via Mercedes > wrote: > > > > > > Heh. Did the same with the eldest. He’s currently in trade school > learning to be a plumber. I told him if he worked hard and didn’t do > anything stupid he would end up making more than I do. > > A successful 'one man and a truck' operation can net low six figures, with > no employees. > Of course, you need to 'pay your dues' and rise to the master plumber > level before embarking on that path. > The good news is that gaining experience in plumbing and electrical pays a > lot better than being a college student. > > Mitch. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You should check out Mike Rowe's stuff. He has a foundation that is helping people become tradespeople, recognizing that college isn't for everyone, there are jobs going begging, and the pay is pretty good. --FT On 6/27/19 2:21 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote: Heh. Did the same with the eldest. He’s currently in trade school learning to be a plumber. I told him if he worked hard and didn’t do anything stupid he would end up making more than I do. -D On Jun 27, 2019, at 2:11 PM, Clay Monroe via Mercedes wrote: Grin and bear it. We were idiots of the same caliber at that age. I finally was able to get through to #1 boy that being a wage slave was not a reliable way to make a living. He decided that maybe I might be correct and has taken the first steps (getting hired) to becoming an electrician. That will be in demand until we run out of sparks flowing along wires. clay On Jun 26, 2019, at 6:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: It just dawned on me. Just like the morons on the 123 fakebook group think they know everything and will not listen to advise, it is the exact same thing with the 21 year old kid who just graduated from college with an associates. So he has this girlfriend and they have decided they want to move out soon and get an apartment. He will ask for advice in this but then does nothing you tell him he should do. He currently works at the Loves truck stop which he has worked at for around 3 years and is now looking for a real job I guess. He does not listen to advice about that either. In fact, he never listens to anything we tell him, he already knows it all. I guess this is just a systemic problem with this current generation that is coming up. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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> On June 27, 2019 at 2:21 PM Dan--- via Mercedes wrote: > > > Heh. Did the same with the eldest. He’s currently in trade school learning to > be a plumber. I told him if he worked hard and didn’t do anything stupid he > would end up making more than I do. A successful 'one man and a truck' operation can net low six figures, with no employees. Of course, you need to 'pay your dues' and rise to the master plumber level before embarking on that path. The good news is that gaining experience in plumbing and electrical pays a lot better than being a college student. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Heh. Did the same with the eldest. He’s currently in trade school learning to be a plumber. I told him if he worked hard and didn’t do anything stupid he would end up making more than I do. -D > On Jun 27, 2019, at 2:11 PM, Clay Monroe via Mercedes > wrote: > > Grin and bear it. We were idiots of the same caliber at that age. > > I finally was able to get through to #1 boy that being a wage slave was not a > reliable way to make a living. He decided that maybe I might be correct and > has taken the first steps (getting hired) to becoming an electrician. That > will be in demand until we run out of sparks flowing along wires. > > > clay > >> On Jun 26, 2019, at 6:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> It just dawned on me. Just like the morons on the 123 fakebook group think >> they know everything and will not listen to advise, it is the exact same >> thing with the 21 year old kid who just graduated from college with an >> associates. So he has this girlfriend and they have decided they want to >> move out soon and get an apartment. He will ask for advice in this but then >> does nothing you tell him he should do. He currently works at the Loves >> truck stop which he has worked at for around 3 years and is now looking for >> a real job I guess. He does not listen to advice about that either. In >> fact, he never listens to anything we tell him, he already knows it all. I >> guess this is just a systemic problem with this current generation that is >> coming up. >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >> https://www.avg.com >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Grin and bear it. We were idiots of the same caliber at that age. I finally was able to get through to #1 boy that being a wage slave was not a reliable way to make a living. He decided that maybe I might be correct and has taken the first steps (getting hired) to becoming an electrician. That will be in demand until we run out of sparks flowing along wires. clay > On Jun 26, 2019, at 6:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > It just dawned on me. Just like the morons on the 123 fakebook group think > they know everything and will not listen to advise, it is the exact same > thing with the 21 year old kid who just graduated from college with an > associates. So he has this girlfriend and they have decided they want to > move out soon and get an apartment. He will ask for advice in this but then > does nothing you tell him he should do. He currently works at the Loves > truck stop which he has worked at for around 3 years and is now looking for a > real job I guess. He does not listen to advice about that either. In fact, > he never listens to anything we tell him, he already knows it all. I guess > this is just a systemic problem with this current generation that is coming > up. > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Wed, 26 Jun 2019 21:45:54 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: > Nope. It’s a systemic thing that all generations suffer from. We all > thought our parents were idiots. When a kid goes off to college he knows everything and is amazed at how stupid his father is. When he comes back after college, he is amazed at how much his father has learned in four years. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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"Get out. You already know everything, except how to listen. When you finally learn that skill, come back, I have some things to teach you." Quote my Father, at the beginning of my enrollment at the school of life, where I graduated "Lauda Cum Hardway" On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 6:57 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Well I am thinking I listened to advice, maybe I didn't and I am just > remembering it wrong. > > On 6/26/2019 8:45 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: > > Nope. It’s a systemic thing that all generations suffer from. We all > thought our parents were idiots. > > > > I have said that the word “STUPID” is visible on my forehead to them and > them only. As they age and become a little “smarter”, that “STUPID” begins > to fade. For one of my kids it’s pretty much disappeared. The other one, > well, I think it’s still there but fading somewhat. > > > > I have also told both of them that when the day comes that they realize > everything I told them over the years was right that they call me, no > matter what the day or time. I want to be able to gloat and say “I told you > so!” > > > > -D still waiting for the calls > > > > > > > > > >> On Jun 26, 2019, at 9:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> It just dawned on me. Just like the morons on the 123 fakebook group > think they know everything and will not listen to advise, it is the exact > same thing with the 21 year old kid who just graduated from college with an > associates. So he has this girlfriend and they have decided they want to > move out soon and get an apartment. He will ask for advice in this but > then does nothing you tell him he should do. He currently works at the > Loves truck stop which he has worked at for around 3 years and is now > looking for a real job I guess. He does not listen to advice about that > either. In fact, he never listens to anything we tell him, he already > knows it all. I guess this is just a systemic problem with this current > generation that is coming up. > >> > >> > >> --- > >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > >> https://www.avg.com > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Well I am thinking I listened to advice, maybe I didn't and I am just remembering it wrong. On 6/26/2019 8:45 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Nope. It’s a systemic thing that all generations suffer from. We all thought our parents were idiots. I have said that the word “STUPID” is visible on my forehead to them and them only. As they age and become a little “smarter”, that “STUPID” begins to fade. For one of my kids it’s pretty much disappeared. The other one, well, I think it’s still there but fading somewhat. I have also told both of them that when the day comes that they realize everything I told them over the years was right that they call me, no matter what the day or time. I want to be able to gloat and say “I told you so!” -D still waiting for the calls On Jun 26, 2019, at 9:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: It just dawned on me. Just like the morons on the 123 fakebook group think they know everything and will not listen to advise, it is the exact same thing with the 21 year old kid who just graduated from college with an associates. So he has this girlfriend and they have decided they want to move out soon and get an apartment. He will ask for advice in this but then does nothing you tell him he should do. He currently works at the Loves truck stop which he has worked at for around 3 years and is now looking for a real job I guess. He does not listen to advice about that either. In fact, he never listens to anything we tell him, he already knows it all. I guess this is just a systemic problem with this current generation that is coming up. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Our second daughter did admit at around 38 years of age that we were right on almost everything. Our youngest, who watched and learned from the mistakes of those who went before him, has not been nearly as bad as his sisters were. On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 8:46 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Nope. It’s a systemic thing that all generations suffer from. We all > thought our parents were idiots. > > I have said that the word “STUPID” is visible on my forehead to them and > them only. As they age and become a little “smarter”, that “STUPID” begins > to fade. For one of my kids it’s pretty much disappeared. The other one, > well, I think it’s still there but fading somewhat. > > I have also told both of them that when the day comes that they realize > everything I told them over the years was right that they call me, no > matter what the day or time. I want to be able to gloat and say “I told you > so!” > > -D still waiting for the calls > > > > > > On Jun 26, 2019, at 9:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > It just dawned on me. Just like the morons on the 123 fakebook group > think they know everything and will not listen to advise, it is the exact > same thing with the 21 year old kid who just graduated from college with an > associates. So he has this girlfriend and they have decided they want to > move out soon and get an apartment. He will ask for advice in this but > then does nothing you tell him he should do. He currently works at the > Loves truck stop which he has worked at for around 3 years and is now > looking for a real job I guess. He does not listen to advice about that > either. In fact, he never listens to anything we tell him, he already > knows it all. I guess this is just a systemic problem with this current > generation that is coming up. > > > > > > --- > > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > > https://www.avg.com > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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No, I think it's nearly a universal experience with all kids that age, regardless of time frame. On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 8:38 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > It just dawned on me. Just like the morons on the 123 fakebook group > think they know everything and will not listen to advise, it is the > exact same thing with the 21 year old kid who just graduated from > college with an associates. So he has this girlfriend and they have > decided they want to move out soon and get an apartment. He will ask > for advice in this but then does nothing you tell him he should do. He > currently works at the Loves truck stop which he has worked at for > around 3 years and is now looking for a real job I guess. He does not > listen to advice about that either. In fact, he never listens to > anything we tell him, he already knows it all. I guess this is just a > systemic problem with this current generation that is coming up. > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Nope. It’s a systemic thing that all generations suffer from. We all thought our parents were idiots. I have said that the word “STUPID” is visible on my forehead to them and them only. As they age and become a little “smarter”, that “STUPID” begins to fade. For one of my kids it’s pretty much disappeared. The other one, well, I think it’s still there but fading somewhat. I have also told both of them that when the day comes that they realize everything I told them over the years was right that they call me, no matter what the day or time. I want to be able to gloat and say “I told you so!” -D still waiting for the calls > On Jun 26, 2019, at 9:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > It just dawned on me. Just like the morons on the 123 fakebook group think > they know everything and will not listen to advise, it is the exact same > thing with the 21 year old kid who just graduated from college with an > associates. So he has this girlfriend and they have decided they want to > move out soon and get an apartment. He will ask for advice in this but then > does nothing you tell him he should do. He currently works at the Loves > truck stop which he has worked at for around 3 years and is now looking for a > real job I guess. He does not listen to advice about that either. In fact, > he never listens to anything we tell him, he already knows it all. I guess > this is just a systemic problem with this current generation that is coming > up. > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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When he moves out and has a girl on him about stuff all the time he’ll either come crawling back or wise up --FT Sent from iPhone > On Jun 26, 2019, at 9:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > It just dawned on me. Just like the morons on the 123 fakebook group think > they know everything and will not listen to advise, it is the exact same > thing with the 21 year old kid who just graduated from college with an > associates. So he has this girlfriend and they have decided they want to > move out soon and get an apartment. He will ask for advice in this but then > does nothing you tell him he should do. He currently works at the Loves > truck stop which he has worked at for around 3 years and is now looking for a > real job I guess. He does not listen to advice about that either. In fact, > he never listens to anything we tell him, he already knows it all. I guess > this is just a systemic problem with this current generation that is coming > up. > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
