Re: [MBZ] M119 Oil Pan

2018-01-29 Thread MG via Mercedes
Alcohol will take it right off. MG Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: If you are talking about household/construction silicone seal, yes, it is under the "improper use of" I was talking about the blue, red or black silicone form a gasket specifically made for engine use. Overuse also falls

Re: [MBZ] M119 Oil Pan

2018-01-29 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
One big difference between factory and repair/replacement is that the factory assembled the engine and accessories out of the car, then I think for the 123s and later, the engine/trans is put on the subframes on a sled, then the body is lowered onto the subframes/sled. When the manuals are

Re: [MBZ] M119 Oil Pan

2018-01-29 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
Max inquires: >Can you or >anyone point me to a reference or procedure? Sure. Watch this video. Long, boring (for most), and I don't particularly care for the guy, but, it outlines my point. Rick

Re: [MBZ] M119 Oil Pan

2018-01-29 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
Curley sez: >Vac pump is a very thin gasket, large and easily torn. When >replacing the vac pump in a car a thin coat of blue goo helps immensely >to hold the gasket in place while the pump is installed I prefer to glue the gasket to the removable part (easier to clean in the future) with High

Re: [MBZ] M119 Oil Pan

2018-01-29 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
Rick Original Message From: Dan--- via Mercedes Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 4:18 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: d...@penoff.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] M119 Oil Pan Absolutely. I don’t use silicone sealant on anything automotive. Ever. I’ve got a tube

Re: [MBZ] M119 Oil Pan

2018-01-29 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
If you are talking about household/construction silicone seal, yes, it is under the "improper use of" I was talking about the blue, red or black silicone form a gasket specifically made for engine use. Overuse also falls under "improper use of" I have seen only 1 or 2 cases where a gasket had

Re: [MBZ] M119 Oil Pan

2018-01-29 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
The issue with silicone sealants is that they are often inappropriate for the job. Unless formulated for use in contact with oil, they often refuse to stick (ditto for use with coolant, as I found out in Canada getting a water pump to seal in the dead of winter). Worst case you get what

Re: [MBZ] M119 Oil Pan

2018-01-29 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
The problem is not the "proper use of", but "improper use of". I have used the blue goo for close to 40 years and never had a problem. I DID see a problem in the kleb SDL turbo, where someone had way over smeared the red stuff, nearly plugging the oil supply. None of that broke loose or

Re: [MBZ] M119 Oil Pan

2018-01-29 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Rick, I think this is more Dr. Marshall Booth lore (not to say he was right or wrong, I think he was right on this one) as I could never find that warning against RTV or silicone anywhere in the 123 or 124 manuals. Can you or anyone point me to a reference or procedure? - Max

Re: [MBZ] M119 Oil Pan

2018-01-29 Thread Dan--- via Mercedes
Absolutely. I don’t use silicone sealant on anything automotive. Ever. I’ve got a tube of the sealant they recommend for the M103 timing cover seal. That should work, shouldn’t it? Thanks! Dan > On Jan 28, 2018, at 10:55 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes > wrote: > > Dan

Re: [MBZ] M119 Oil Pan

2018-01-28 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
Dan asks: >Anyone here dropped an oil pan on an >M119? Not I. ‎>if I should expect to use any sort of >sealant. I use Hylomar or Permagasket #2 non-hardening sealant. IMHO never, never, ever use silicone sealant on anything that doesn't absolutely require it per the manual. When it breaks

Re: [MBZ] M119 Oil Pan

2018-01-28 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes
My mechanic changed the lower pan seal on my E420. No big hassle, from what he said. He did use sealant as a JIC thing. On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 7:25 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Anyone here dropped an oil pan on an M119? Just the lower cover, not the > whole

Re: [MBZ] M119 oil

2015-06-01 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
A number of people have reported via oil analysis that Truck and Turbo is fine for VW PD engines. Mine is a 2004 and does not have the particulate burner that older oils will fill with ash, so I think it's OK. It is the only oil on the list at tdiclub that I can find around here, short

Re: [MBZ] M119 oil

2015-05-31 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Interesting thread. I’ll be buying oil for the S430 shortly. I run 15W-50 in everything here, mainly due to the heat. I’m wondering if that’s not such a good idea in the S430? Agree with Kaleb, I went through this three years ago. 0W40 euro car oils for M112

Re: [MBZ] M119 oil

2015-05-31 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Cool. I have a partial 5 quart jug from when I moved the older M119s up to the 15W-50. Guess I’ll only need one to make up what I’ll need. Thanks! I do find it interesting that there are stickers under the hood that say “Mercedes-Benz recommends Mobil1 oil” but there’s nothing specifying the

Re: [MBZ] M119 oil

2015-05-31 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
112 is v6 113 v8 Sent from my iPhone On May 31, 2015, at 1:00 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I have 3 112/113 engines and that is what I run Sent from my iPhone On May 31, 2015, at 11:33 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dan

Re: [MBZ] M119 oil

2015-05-31 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Lab analysis from my OM603 OM606 say otherwise... -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On May 31, 2015 11:52:15 AM EDT, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: 0w-40 Euro car formula. I'd use that in all your Mercedes. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300

Re: [MBZ] M119 oil

2015-05-31 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
What are you saying? Sent from my iPhone On May 31, 2015, at 11:29 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Lab analysis from my OM603 OM606 say otherwise... -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On May 31, 2015 11:52:15 AM EDT, Curly McLain via Mercedes

Re: [MBZ] M119 oil

2015-05-31 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes
I used Castrol SynBlend 10w40 at my last oil change. The '97 E420 seems to like it just fine. :) On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 10:11 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: This is in general, not MB Specific: I don't know where the break is,

Re: [MBZ] M119 oil

2015-05-31 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
0w-40 Euro car formula. I'd use that in all your Mercedes. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 Not for OM61x and OM60x engines. too thin ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or

Re: [MBZ] M119 oil

2015-05-31 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Interesting thread. I’ll be buying oil for the S430 shortly. I run 15W-50 in everything here, mainly due to the heat. I’m wondering if that’s not such a good idea in the S430? Dan On May 31, 2015, at 11:52 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: 0w-40 Euro car

Re: [MBZ] M119 oil

2015-05-31 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: This is in general, not MB Specific: I don't know where the break is, somewhere around mid 90s to 2000, but post 2000 gas engines need thin oil, and 15-50 may do damage, unless it is really worn. most are 0W-20 and some are 0W-30. The viscosity requirements

Re: [MBZ] M119 oil

2015-05-31 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
I don't know if this stuff would help, but the aviation version is the only oil additive that is recommended almost universally. Note that the reason is that it sticks to the cam in between engine runs, to keep tha cam from rusting, which is a major cause of engine wear in seldom flown aircraft. I

Re: [MBZ] M119 oil

2015-05-31 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: Agree with Kaleb, I went through this three years ago. 0W40 euro car oils for M112 and M113. What is M112 and M113? is that the v6 E320 gas engine? Yes, 112 is the '98-up 320 V-6 with 18 valves and 12 spark plugs. 113 is the 430 V-8 with 24 valves and

Re: [MBZ] M119 oil

2015-05-31 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
I have 3 112/113 engines and that is what I run Sent from my iPhone On May 31, 2015, at 11:33 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Interesting thread. I'll be buying oil for the S430 shortly. I run 15W-50 in everything here, mainly

Re: [MBZ] M119 oil

2015-05-31 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
You want to run the 0w40 in that 113 engine. Sent from my iPhone On May 31, 2015, at 11:14 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Interesting thread. I’ll be buying oil for the S430 shortly. I run 15W-50 in everything here, mainly due to the heat. I’m wondering if

Re: [MBZ] M119 oil

2015-05-31 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
I have 3 112/113 engines and that is what I run Sent from my iPhone On May 31, 2015, at 11:33 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Interesting thread. I’ll be buying oil for the S430 shortly. I run 15W-50 in everything here, mainly

Re: [MBZ] M119 oil

2015-05-31 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: What are you saying? Looks like Max is saying that 0W40 doesn't cause wear metals in the analysis on his 603 and 606. Seems like a lot of people from Marshall on down have said a 602/603 is noisier on 0W40 than on 5W40. Mitch.

Re: [MBZ] M119 oil

2015-05-31 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Wear metals were within limits using the oil I recommended on those two engines. Larry - do you still have that spreadsheet with all the lab results for various customers cars? Did that show oil brand and weight, as well as engine type? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On May

Re: [MBZ] M119 oil

2015-05-31 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
, May 31, 2015 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] M119 oil 0w-40 Euro car formula.  I'd use that in all your Mercedes. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 Not for OM61x and OM60x engines.  too thin ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] M119 oil

2015-05-31 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
@okiebenz.com Cc: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] M119 oil Truck and turbo only, it's the only on of them you mention that I KNOW  has the necessary lubricants for high friction flat surfaces -- I  don't know the design of the M119 all

Re: [MBZ] M119 oil

2015-05-31 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
0w-40 Euro car formula. I'd use that in all your Mercedes. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] M119 oil

2015-05-31 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
THe engines that call for 0W-x oil have tighter clearances and are made for the light oil. if the mfgr call for 0W-20, that is what should be used. some call for 0W-30. the 0W-40 may be the spec for some, but none I have seen. TO me it is an attempt to cover more vehicles with one oil.

Re: [MBZ] M119 oil

2015-05-31 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
Truck and turbo only, it's the only on of them you mention that I KNOW has the necessary lubricants for high friction flat surfaces -- I don't know the design of the M119 all that well, but if it uses cams running on rocker arms, it needs the high friction flat surface lubricants. This

Re: [MBZ] M119 oil

2015-05-31 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sun, 31 May 2015 09:51:08 -0400 Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: 0W40 Euro car formula $24/5qt 10W40 high mileage car formula $24/5qt. 20W50 standard formula $24/5qt. 5W40 Turbo Diesel Truck $27/4 qt. What do you guys think I should do? I used 0W40 in both

Re: [MBZ] M119 oil

2015-05-31 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
Craig via Mercedes wrote: But Peter's point is still true. And a little EPC research tells me it's got flat tappets. 119-050-08-25 So, stick with Turbo Diesel Truck or 15w50? Or have they taken the zinc out of the 15W50 by now? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] M119 oil

2015-05-31 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
This is in general, not MB Specific: I don't know where the break is, somewhere around mid 90s to 2000, but post 2000 gas engines need thin oil, and 15-50 may do damage, unless it is really worn. most are 0W-20 and some are 0W-30. Consult the owners manual and the approved oils list for MB

Re: [MBZ] M119 oil

2015-05-31 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: I would have bought the 0w40 for a gasser, I would not use it in a diesel I wish I knew what spec sheet to use for M119. 0W40 meets 229.3 and 229.5, which is why I use it in the M112. From Mobil: Their oil finder says to use 229.3 or 229.5, and