Re: [MBZ] MTBE in Washington?
relng...@aol.com wrote: There is only one documented use of MTBE as a fuel oxygenate in Washington ; however, it is likely that the chemical has been used in gasoline for other purposes in the state. Only one documented use. And what was that? This report, a glowing example of a government grant if I've ever seen one, does not say MTBE was in Washington's gasoline at it's hundreds, perhaps thousands of retail gas stations used by the public. Rog, are you just glossing over however, it is likely that the chemical has been used in gasoline for other purposes in the state.? Also, there's all the MBTE contaminated sites in King County, where did the MTBE come from if not motor fuel? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MTBE
...Rog, are you just glossing over however, it is likely that the chemical has been used in gasoline for other purposes in the state.?.. Can you explain this sentence? I can't. What other purposes since they say there is only one documented use as motor fuel etc Would this mean that a million gallons was treated or one tank for test purposes. And when they say it is likely it looks like a WAG with no explanation. ...Also, there's all the MBTE contaminated sites in King County, where did the MTBE come from if not motor fuel?... Is this stuff used for purposes other than motor fuel additive? The report leaves out any proof of anything useful. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MTBE???
Interesting question. I eagerly await an explanation Mike On Dec 19, 2012 5:36 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Peter Frederick wrote: Nasty stuff indeed, but it was cheaper than ethanol or other alternatives in the 70's when oxygenated gasoline was first required, so that's what the oil companies used. Don't closed loop fuel systems and exhaust oxygen sensors negate the emissions benefits of oxygenated fuel? In other words, why didn't oxygenated fuel requirements go away ten years ago? Life would be so much easier if gasoline didn't decompose in a sealed container due to having oxidizers in it. Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MTBE???
The simple answer is idle and full throttle, where feedback doesn't work, especially full throttle, the real answer is more complicated. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MTBE???
Peter Frederick wrote: Nasty stuff indeed, but it was cheaper than ethanol or other alternatives in the 70's when oxygenated gasoline was first required, so that's what the oil companies used. Don't closed loop fuel systems and exhaust oxygen sensors negate the emissions benefits of oxygenated fuel? In other words, why didn't oxygenated fuel requirements go away ten years ago? Life would be so much easier if gasoline didn't decompose in a sealed container due to having oxidizers in it. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MTBE???
...Who inhales MTBE laden gasoline fumes, and prefers that over distilled corn alcohol.. Your appalling lack of knowledge once again shows it's ugly corn fed head. Find me a state that uses MTBE. Washington never has. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MTBE???
MTBE was replaced with ethanol some time back when it was discovered that it is highly water soluble and contaminated large areas by moving in the ground water from gasoline spills and leaks (mostly bad underground tanks). Nasty stuff indeed, but it was cheaper than ethanol or other alternatives in the 70's when oxygenated gasoline was first required, so that's what the oil companies used. Been a while since I did any analytical work looking for MTBE, so I would guess the change was in the 1990s. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MTBE???
...Who inhales MTBE laden gasoline fumes, and prefers that over distilled corn alcohol.. Your appalling lack of knowledge once again shows it's ugly corn fed head. Find me a state that uses MTBE. Washington never has. RLE, who has inhaled WAY too much MTBE Appalling lack of knowledge Read this report regarding the state of washington, where according to woger, MTBE was never used: https://fortress.wa.gov/ecy/publications/publications/0009054.pdf See page 7 table. It shows half (49.5%) of the MTBE contaminated sites are in King county. (that is seattle) This report is published by the gummit of washington (state of), so it officially makes the case that MTBE WAS used in Washington, so therefore woger, who wuns a gasser HAS inhaled MTBE laden fumes in his anxious pursuit of fuel that doesn't contain firewater. That is only ONE source from a quick search. There is plenty of proof available. There is also plenty of info available about the detrimental effects of MTBE. The state of kolllyphonya sued the fed EPA in 1999 to be able to use MTBE rather than using firewater. These uneducated attacks on the use of ethanol would be entertaining if they were no so sad. MTBE has a host of ill effects on people and the environment. Burning ethanol has far fewer effects. Having the tree hugging kolly phonya fruits and nuts clinging desperately to their MTBE so they don't have to use clean burning drinkin' alcohol is so ludicrous it is hilarious. It was at the time, and it still is. all states had MTBE used in them at one time or another. The oil companies pushed it 'cause ethey made it. Now if woger could convince us that he was born after 2003, when WA banned MTBE, maybe he has a casen. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MTBE
...Originally MBTE was used until it was discovered that it has a tendency to contaminate groundwater/drinking water as a result of spills and leaky storage tanks and pipelines. Ethanol then became the favored additive for oxygenation... MTBE was used only in a few states although I don't know the precise number. Alaska and Montana stopped using it for another reason. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MTBE
Yes, NAFTA was used as the stick to make the canadian chemical manufacture who made it for something else sell it to refineries in California so it could accumulate in the ground water... Something about if you sell in your country then you must sell in it all three NAFTA countries for whatever people want to use it for... On 2-Feb-06, at 4:54 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Surely no one who claims to be knowledgeable on oxgenated fuels would not know about MTBE and why Montana and Alaska prohibit it. Didn't the state of Commiefornia require its use in gasoline, and then sue the chemical companies which produced it and sold it to refineries because the companies produced a chemical which was required by law? John 1983 300TDt 361k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990 300TDt 159k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 170k Kilometers (mobil 1 0w40)
Re: [MBZ] MTBE
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Surely no one who claims to be knowledgeable on oxgenated fuels would not know about MTBE and why Montana and Alaska prohibit it. Didn't the state of Commiefornia require its use in gasoline, and then sue the chemical companies which produced it and sold it to refineries because the companies produced a chemical which was required by law?
Re: [MBZ] MTBE
Mitch Haley wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Surely no one who claims to be knowledgeable on oxgenated fuels would not know about MTBE and why Montana and Alaska prohibit it. Didn't the state of Commiefornia require its use in gasoline, and then sue the chemical companies which produced it and sold it to refineries because the companies produced a chemical which was required by law? I think the EPA forced it on them, actually. For a while it was the only approved oxygenating additive. Now a lot of places use ethanol, but there's been strong resistance by the oil companies when places using MTBE try to switch to it. See, MTBE they can manufacture themselves from byproducts; ethanol they have to buy.
Re: [MBZ] MTBE
Went summpin like dat! Calif was fighting to keep MTBE in gasoline and pure drinkin alcohol out of the gas. Seemed pretty weird to me. At 06:54 PM 2/2/2006, you wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Surely no one who claims to be knowledgeable on oxgenated fuels would not know about MTBE and why Montana and Alaska prohibit it. Didn't the state of Commiefornia require its use in gasoline, and then sue the chemical companies which produced it and sold it to refineries because the companies produced a chemical which was required by law? ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
