Re: [MBZ] More cool specials

2006-02-02 Thread Rusty Cullens
No, the stuffing looks more like shredded whitey tighties.

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Rusty Cullens wrote:
 when I say they look very good, I understand
 that my knowledge of the inside of an oil filter is somewhat limited.

But do they have genuine natural cotton plant twigs in them?

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Re: [MBZ] More cool specials

2006-02-02 Thread LT Don
Goodwill ships lots of unusable / unsellable second hand clothes to Asia.
So, what you see might actually be shredded tight whities! Are there any
stains on the material?

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 No, the stuffing looks more like shredded whitey tighties.





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Re: [MBZ] More cool specials

2006-02-02 Thread andrew strasfogel
LT Don makes my day yet again.  Hahahahaha!!

On 2/2/06, LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Goodwill ships lots of unusable / unsellable second hand clothes to Asia.
 So, what you see might actually be shredded tight whities! Are there any
 stains on the material?

 On 2/2/06, Rusty Cullens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  No, the stuffing looks more like shredded whitey tighties.
 
 
 


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Re: [MBZ] More cool specials

2006-02-01 Thread Werner Fehlauer
Folks, looking at oil analysis is akin to the old barn door/stolen horse 
theory.  What matters in a filter is the size and capacity of what is 
taken out of the oil.  Usually, there is a micron spec, plus other 
characteristics.  Looking at the oil is a bit late!


I've had name brand (Fram) air filter many years ago that were advertised to 
fit a certain application, but turned out that they did not filter out dust 
and dirt like the OE brand.  In this case, if Rusty has the confidence that 
these el cheapo copies will function just as well as OE filters, then they 
are probably OK.


That said, personally I think I'll keep using the OE filters until we get 
more experience with brand x.  As we've heard many times, oil (and 
filters) are much less expensive than metal (engines).


Werner
'83SD 210k
'90D 221k

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I also do not know how he could guarantee these filters. What exactly
would that mean? For example, if you run into problems with your old motor
with 300K plus miles on it, how are you going to prove it was the fault of
the filter? You can talk oil analysis all you want but I would not think 
it
fair to pursue the vendor of the oil filter that you chose and installed. 
If

you don't like the idea, then do not use the new filter. However, we are
seeing more and more things come out of the far east that are a good or
better than many of the products that we used to produce in the west. It 
was

not always like that but it is becoming more so on a daily basis.

Any engineers on here with the facilities to do some testing? It would be
interesting to know if there is any difference in the oil based upon the
brand of filter being used. I have not been around here long enough to 
know

if y'all have been through this in depth but I know there has been
considerable discussion and some reasonable data on other forums relating 
to

various oil filter manufacturors.

I am sort of a believer that if I change the oil often enough, it likely 
is
not going to be a huge issue what brand of filter I use. I ran a 77 Ford 
and
then an 86 Ford over a hundred thousand with minimal wear using basic 
house

brand filters and oil. I changed both at 3000 mile intervals and never had
any issues (apart from headgaskets which is how I ended up having a look 
at

the cylinders etc.). If you plan to run expensive synthetic lubricants and
want to extend your change interval then you should either pay for a 
premium

filter (and hope you get what you pay for) or possibly, change the filter
mid cycle.

My 2 cents. Your mileage may vary etc.

Randy B





Re: [MBZ] More cool specials

2006-02-01 Thread LT Don
I am old enough to remember when we all laughed at the Japanese imports --
pieces of junk. Those pieces of junk are now called Lexus.

On 1/31/06, Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It's all about quality control, does some factory in Taiwan have the same
 quality control systems in place as a genuine supplier to DC? I don't
 think
 so and if you end up with the one in a 1000 filter that is faulty you are
 going to be might annoyed.
 Also judging a product by just looking at it is not a good way of testing
 quality. Then again if people are willing to take the risk let them. I am
 just surprised that Rusty is even thinking about selling mayfit parts from
 the cheapcopy factory.
 I recently bought some clear turn signal assemblies for my 123 off ebay
 and
 they are cheap copies to say the least but there is a difference between
 turn signal assemblies and filters.

 Hendrik

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  Hendrik asked the tough question:
 
  Question is, are you willing to risk your reputation with these cheap
  filters. Just because they look similar does not mean that the quality
 is
  the same. Personally I pay a little extra to get genuine filters.
  Also are you willing to guarantee these filters?
 
 
  I don't believe Rusty can be duped
  He does this for a living. He's not going to fling out a piece of crap
 out
  there for us.
  He certainly can make more money selling us the filters we're used to
  buying. Why would he risk invoking our collective ire?
 
  Bob Rentfro
  '77 300D 148K (waiting on some of Rusty's good parts)
  '01 VW Beetle TDI 61K
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Re: [MBZ] More cool specials

2006-02-01 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
and what makes you so sure your OE filter is not really made in china or 
taiwan.  Good chance it is.


Hendrik Riessen wrote:

It's all about quality control, does some factory in Taiwan have the same 
quality control systems in place as a genuine supplier to DC? I don't think 
so and if you end up with the one in a 1000 filter that is faulty you are 
going to be might annoyed.
Also judging a product by just looking at it is not a good way of testing 
quality. Then again if people are willing to take the risk let them. I am 
just surprised that Rusty is even thinking about selling mayfit parts from 
the cheapcopy factory.
I recently bought some clear turn signal assemblies for my 123 off ebay and 
they are cheap copies to say the least but there is a difference between 
turn signal assemblies and filters.


Hendrik

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Hendrik asked the tough question:

Question is, are you willing to risk your reputation with these cheap
filters. Just because they look similar does not mean that the quality is
the same. Personally I pay a little extra to get genuine filters.
Also are you willing to guarantee these filters?


I don't believe Rusty can be duped
He does this for a living. He's not going to fling out a piece of crap out
there for us.
He certainly can make more money selling us the filters we're used to
buying. Why would he risk invoking our collective ire?

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 148K (waiting on some of Rusty's good parts)
'01 VW Beetle TDI 61K
Litchfield Park, AZ



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Re: [MBZ] More cool specials

2006-02-01 Thread Rich Thomas
I'm running vegoil, how well do these filters clean that stuff out in my 
engine?


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R A Bennell wrote:


I also do not know how he could guarantee these filters. What exactly
would that mean? For example, if you run into problems with your old motor
with 300K plus miles on it, how are you going to prove it was the fault of
the filter? You can talk oil analysis all you want but I would not think it
fair to pursue the vendor of the oil filter that you chose and installed. If
you don't like the idea, then do not use the new filter. However, we are
seeing more and more things come out of the far east that are a good or
better than many of the products that we used to produce in the west. It was
not always like that but it is becoming more so on a daily basis.

Any engineers on here with the facilities to do some testing? It would be
interesting to know if there is any difference in the oil based upon the
brand of filter being used. I have not been around here long enough to know
if y'all have been through this in depth but I know there has been
considerable discussion and some reasonable data on other forums relating to
various oil filter manufacturors.

I am sort of a believer that if I change the oil often enough, it likely is
not going to be a huge issue what brand of filter I use. I ran a 77 Ford and
then an 86 Ford over a hundred thousand with minimal wear using basic house
brand filters and oil. I changed both at 3000 mile intervals and never had
any issues (apart from headgaskets which is how I ended up having a look at
the cylinders etc.). If you plan to run expensive synthetic lubricants and
want to extend your change interval then you should either pay for a premium
filter (and hope you get what you pay for) or possibly, change the filter
mid cycle.

My 2 cents. Your mileage may vary etc.

Randy B

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Hendrik asked the tough question:

Question is, are you willing to risk your reputation with these cheap
filters. Just because they look similar does not mean that the quality is
the same. Personally I pay a little extra to get genuine filters.
Also are you willing to guarantee these filters?


I don't believe Rusty can be duped
He does this for a living. He's not going to fling out a piece of crap out
there for us.
He certainly can make more money selling us the filters we're used to
buying. Why would he risk invoking our collective ire?

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 148K (waiting on some of Rusty's good parts)
'01 VW Beetle TDI 61K
Litchfield Park, AZ



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Re: [MBZ] More cool specials

2006-02-01 Thread Hendrik Riessen
It does not matter where it is made, what matters is that DC is willing to 
put their logo on it and I would hope, if it proves to be faulty, pay to 
remedy any damage done by a faulty oil filter.

Wasn't it Gottlieb who said: The best or nothing?
I seem to remember that DC is building a factory in China, will they be 
building cheap and unreliable cars there?
Anyway people will buy cheap oil filters and cheap oil because they don't 
plan on keeping the car that long and when it does wear out prematurely it 
will be someone elses problem. Of course when you go to buy it off them they 
will tell you great stories about how they lovingly serviced the vehicle 
with nothing but the best. For examples of these stories please take a look 
at ebay:-)


Hendrik

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and what makes you so sure your OE filter is not really made in china or
taiwan.  Good chance it is.





Re: [MBZ] More cool specials

2006-02-01 Thread OK Don
So, now the junk costs more, and has more features - they still won't
go 400,000. The eninges might, but everything else falls apart.

On 1/31/06, LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I am old enough to remember when we all laughed at the Japanese imports --
 pieces of junk. Those pieces of junk are now called Lexus.



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Re: [MBZ] More cool specials

2006-02-01 Thread LT Don
Oh, I don't know. My Toyota Camry was a sweet ride until the timing belt let
loose and ... uh, never mind.

On 2/1/06, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 So, now the junk costs more, and has more features - they still won't
 go 400,000. The eninges might, but everything else falls apart.

 On 1/31/06, LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I am old enough to remember when we all laughed at the Japanese
 imports --
  pieces of junk. Those pieces of junk are now called Lexus.
 


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Re: [MBZ] More cool specials

2006-02-01 Thread Hendrik Riessen
Yeah the Japanese have come a long way since the early days of the corolla 
but seriously would you trust a little tin box with your life?
The problem with Lexus is that it does not have the brand recognition factor 
of a Mercedes. It's all about perception.


Hendrik

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I am old enough to remember when we all laughed at the Japanese 
imports --

pieces of junk. Those pieces of junk are now called Lexus.





Re: [MBZ] More cool specials

2006-02-01 Thread LT Don
I traded an Acura Integra for my 240D. As much as I love my diesel, it is a
toss-up as to which I'd rather take on an eight hour drive.

On 2/1/06, Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Yeah the Japanese have come a long way since the early days of the corolla
 but seriously would you trust a little tin box with your life?
 The problem with Lexus is that it does not have the brand recognition
 factor
 of a Mercedes. It's all about perception.

 Hendrik

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 I am old enough to remember when we all laughed at the Japanese
 imports --
  pieces of junk. Those pieces of junk are now called Lexus.
 

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Re: [MBZ] More cool specials

2006-02-01 Thread John Ervine

LT Don wrote:


My Toyota Camry was a sweet ride until the timing belt let loose and ... uh, 
never mind.


Mr. Valve and Mr. Piston met and shook hands?

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Re: [MBZ] More cool specials

2006-02-01 Thread Ed Booher
On 1/31/06, Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Yeah the Japanese have come a long way since the early days of the corolla
 but seriously would you trust a little tin box with your life?
 The problem with Lexus is that it does not have the brand recognition factor
 of a Mercedes. It's all about perception.

 Hendrik

This is actually an interesting statement, and one I feel compelled to
blindly answer upon.  What I'm about to say is heresay from an expat
that has been around the world through Uncle Sam's dollar.

What he has said is that each country not only has different auto
specs, but different legal abilities. American, for example, you have
the legal ability to sue the manufacturer of the vehicle in the event
of a catastrophic event. Ala the SUV flip over, the Ford/Firestone
tire issue, etc. So American automakers tend to make their vehicles
well enough to protect occupants to deflect some of this ability to
file suit. It has to be a problem with a whole line, not just a single
car.

In Japan, the only person that has the legal ability to file suit
against a manufacturer in the event of a catastrophic event is the
driver of the vehicle. Not the family. This is an important
distinction. The whole statement that a Japanese vehicle is a little
tin box that you would not trust with your life is an engineering
decision. No driver, no suit.

Germany, on the other hand, grants the legal ability to not only file
suit against the company that manufacturers the vehicle, but the lead
design engineer as well. Hence all the old German vehicles that are
still on the road. Slightly rusty and a bit beat, but still mostly
intact and road worthy.

Please accept this all with a few grains of salt, as I have never
tried to verify or deny any of what was told to me. However, a little
applied logic added to the tale helps to clear a bit of fog, at least
to me.

Yet, I own three Japanese vehicles. Hope an MB is in my future.

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Re: [MBZ] More cool specials

2006-02-01 Thread Jim Cathey

design engineer as well. Hence all the old German vehicles that are
still on the road. Slightly rusty and a bit beat, but still mostly
intact and road worthy.


Not, you might note, in Germany!

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Re: [MBZ] More cool specials

2006-02-01 Thread LT Don
They got up close and personal, made sweet music together, and gave birth to
... well, to a car for which I was given an amazing trade value (book)
toward a new Voyager.

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 LT Don wrote:

  My Toyota Camry was a sweet ride until the timing belt let loose and ...
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Re: [MBZ] More cool specials

2006-02-01 Thread David Brodbeck
Hendrik Riessen wrote:
 It does not matter where it is made, what matters is that DC is willing to 
 put their logo on it and I would hope, if it proves to be faulty, pay to 
 remedy any damage done by a faulty oil filter.

Are you getting yours at the dealer?  The OEM filters I've been buying
don't have the three-pointed star on them.  They just say MANN.



Re: [MBZ] More cool specials

2006-02-01 Thread Hendrik Riessen
Yes I do, complete with new washers and a holographic seal on the box. The 
filter for the 102 motors is barely adequate and was revised round about 
1985. I can't recall right now if they have the star on the actual filter 
but they have a part number on them.


Hendrik

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Hendrik Riessen wrote:
It does not matter where it is made, what matters is that DC is willing 
to

put their logo on it and I would hope, if it proves to be faulty, pay to
remedy any damage done by a faulty oil filter.


Are you getting yours at the dealer?  The OEM filters I've been buying
don't have the three-pointed star on them.  They just say MANN.

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Re: [MBZ] More cool specials

2006-02-01 Thread David Brodbeck

Hendrik Riessen wrote:

Yes I do, complete with new washers and a holographic seal on the box.


I get new washers with mine, and a new O-ring for the filter cover, but 
no fancy hologram.  I'm not sure the car knows the difference, though.  
I may buy a couple of the new cheapo filters just to see what they're 
like, instead of the MANNs I've been running.  I put 20,000 miles on the 
car in the last six months, so I'm going through a lot of filters.


I suppose filter quality might be a bigger concern if you're running 
Mobil 1 with extended drain intervals.  I'm still using dino oil, 
because it's obvious the engine is going to outlast the rest of the car, 
which is a rustbucket.  If it were a showroom-nice collector's item I'd 
probably be more of a purist.




Re: [MBZ] More cool specials

2006-02-01 Thread Rusty Cullens
Let's just say that I have put them in all of my fleet, so time will
tell. Obviously, Full has the same warranty as all other filter
manufacturers. I have only been selling Mercedes parts and maintaining
my MB's for 31 years, so when I say they look very good, I understand
that my knowledge of the inside of an oil filter is somewhat limited. I
just wanted to offer these up as a real value, not get into another
filter argument. Some people might want them, some might not. I am going
to use them since I change my oil every 3,000 miles. Full is also
getting into the air filter market and I plan on using them as well. 

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Question is, are you willing to risk your reputation with these cheap 
filters. Just because they look similar does not mean that the quality
is 
the same. Personally I pay a little extra to get genuine filters.
Also are you willing to guarantee these filters?

Hendrik

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 We have found a really nice looking oil filter made in Thailand for
the
 OM616, OM617  M110, M116, M117 engines. The brand name is Full. Tom
and
 I have cut them open and they look identical to the Mann, Hengst 
 Knecht filters that we have cut open before. The prices are simply
 amazing. Here are the prices:

 Diesel Oil Filter
 1 to 9 $4.95
 10 to 19 $4.25
 20 or more $3.95

 M110  V-8 Oil Filter
 1 to 9 $3.00
 10 to 19 $2.65
 20 or more $2.45

 Rusty Cullens
 BuyMBparts, Inc.
 1-800-741-5252
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Re: [MBZ] More cool specials

2006-02-01 Thread Rusty Cullens
Exactly.

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Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:38 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] More cool specials

Hendrik asked the tough question:

Question is, are you willing to risk your reputation with these cheap
 filters. Just because they look similar does not mean that the quality
is
 the same. Personally I pay a little extra to get genuine filters.
 Also are you willing to guarantee these filters?


I don't believe Rusty can be duped
He does this for a living. He's not going to fling out a piece of crap
out 
there for us.
He certainly can make more money selling us the filters we're used to 
buying. Why would he risk invoking our collective ire?

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 148K (waiting on some of Rusty's good parts)
'01 VW Beetle TDI 61K
Litchfield Park, AZ
 


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Re: [MBZ] More cool specials

2006-02-01 Thread John Berryman


On Wednesday, February 1, 2006, at 04:29 AM, David Brodbeck wrote:


I put 20,000 miles on the
car in the last six months, so I'm going through a lot of filters.

I suppose filter quality might be a bigger concern if you're running
Mobil 1 with extended drain intervals.


	I use Mann and Hengst, 1 filter per oil change at 15,000- 22,000 
intervals. Running Amsoil or Mobil 1 full synthetic oil. This is the 
regimen I have adopted after extensive and repeated oil analysis.
	 I drive 2,000- 5,000 per month under normal circumstances. More when 
traveling for my work with FEMA or my numerous vacations.
	I have seen many different countries of origin stamped into these 
filters over the years. Same goes for very many parts bought from the 
dealer. Stuff is produced in India, Austria, Australia, Germany, France 
and many more places


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am


Re: [MBZ] More cool specials

2006-02-01 Thread R A Bennell
Correct me if I am wrong here, but recent stats would indicate that
purchasers are very happy with their new Hyundai (is that spelled
correctly?) cars but not so happy with the late model Mercedes. I don't
think it is all a matter of expectations either. The original Pony was a
piece of junk but the far east has learned fast and risen to the task at
hand. Europe and America have struggled to keep pace.

Randy B

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On 1/31/06, Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Yeah the Japanese have come a long way since the early days of the corolla
 but seriously would you trust a little tin box with your life?
 The problem with Lexus is that it does not have the brand recognition
factor
 of a Mercedes. It's all about perception.

 Hendrik

This is actually an interesting statement, and one I feel compelled to
blindly answer upon.  What I'm about to say is heresay from an expat
that has been around the world through Uncle Sam's dollar.

What he has said is that each country not only has different auto
specs, but different legal abilities. American, for example, you have
the legal ability to sue the manufacturer of the vehicle in the event
of a catastrophic event. Ala the SUV flip over, the Ford/Firestone
tire issue, etc. So American automakers tend to make their vehicles
well enough to protect occupants to deflect some of this ability to
file suit. It has to be a problem with a whole line, not just a single
car.

In Japan, the only person that has the legal ability to file suit
against a manufacturer in the event of a catastrophic event is the
driver of the vehicle. Not the family. This is an important
distinction. The whole statement that a Japanese vehicle is a little
tin box that you would not trust with your life is an engineering
decision. No driver, no suit.

Germany, on the other hand, grants the legal ability to not only file
suit against the company that manufacturers the vehicle, but the lead
design engineer as well. Hence all the old German vehicles that are
still on the road. Slightly rusty and a bit beat, but still mostly
intact and road worthy.

Please accept this all with a few grains of salt, as I have never
tried to verify or deny any of what was told to me. However, a little
applied logic added to the tale helps to clear a bit of fog, at least
to me.

Yet, I own three Japanese vehicles. Hope an MB is in my future.

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Re: [MBZ] More cool specials

2006-01-31 Thread Hendrik Riessen
Question is, are you willing to risk your reputation with these cheap 
filters. Just because they look similar does not mean that the quality is 
the same. Personally I pay a little extra to get genuine filters.

Also are you willing to guarantee these filters?

Hendrik

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Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 4:34 AM
Subject: [MBZ] More cool specials



We have found a really nice looking oil filter made in Thailand for the
OM616, OM617  M110, M116, M117 engines. The brand name is Full. Tom and
I have cut them open and they look identical to the Mann, Hengst 
Knecht filters that we have cut open before. The prices are simply
amazing. Here are the prices:

Diesel Oil Filter
1 to 9 $4.95
10 to 19 $4.25
20 or more $3.95

M110  V-8 Oil Filter
1 to 9 $3.00
10 to 19 $2.65
20 or more $2.45

Rusty Cullens
BuyMBparts, Inc.
1-800-741-5252
http://www.BuyMBparts.com http://www.buymbparts.com/


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Re: [MBZ] More cool specials

2006-01-31 Thread R A Bennell
I also do not know how he could guarantee these filters. What exactly
would that mean? For example, if you run into problems with your old motor
with 300K plus miles on it, how are you going to prove it was the fault of
the filter? You can talk oil analysis all you want but I would not think it
fair to pursue the vendor of the oil filter that you chose and installed. If
you don't like the idea, then do not use the new filter. However, we are
seeing more and more things come out of the far east that are a good or
better than many of the products that we used to produce in the west. It was
not always like that but it is becoming more so on a daily basis.

Any engineers on here with the facilities to do some testing? It would be
interesting to know if there is any difference in the oil based upon the
brand of filter being used. I have not been around here long enough to know
if y'all have been through this in depth but I know there has been
considerable discussion and some reasonable data on other forums relating to
various oil filter manufacturors.

I am sort of a believer that if I change the oil often enough, it likely is
not going to be a huge issue what brand of filter I use. I ran a 77 Ford and
then an 86 Ford over a hundred thousand with minimal wear using basic house
brand filters and oil. I changed both at 3000 mile intervals and never had
any issues (apart from headgaskets which is how I ended up having a look at
the cylinders etc.). If you plan to run expensive synthetic lubricants and
want to extend your change interval then you should either pay for a premium
filter (and hope you get what you pay for) or possibly, change the filter
mid cycle.

My 2 cents. Your mileage may vary etc.

Randy B

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 2:38 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] More cool specials


Hendrik asked the tough question:

Question is, are you willing to risk your reputation with these cheap
 filters. Just because they look similar does not mean that the quality is
 the same. Personally I pay a little extra to get genuine filters.
 Also are you willing to guarantee these filters?


I don't believe Rusty can be duped
He does this for a living. He's not going to fling out a piece of crap out
there for us.
He certainly can make more money selling us the filters we're used to
buying. Why would he risk invoking our collective ire?

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 148K (waiting on some of Rusty's good parts)
'01 VW Beetle TDI 61K
Litchfield Park, AZ



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Re: [MBZ] More cool specials

2006-01-31 Thread Hendrik Riessen
It's all about quality control, does some factory in Taiwan have the same 
quality control systems in place as a genuine supplier to DC? I don't think 
so and if you end up with the one in a 1000 filter that is faulty you are 
going to be might annoyed.
Also judging a product by just looking at it is not a good way of testing 
quality. Then again if people are willing to take the risk let them. I am 
just surprised that Rusty is even thinking about selling mayfit parts from 
the cheapcopy factory.
I recently bought some clear turn signal assemblies for my 123 off ebay and 
they are cheap copies to say the least but there is a difference between 
turn signal assemblies and filters.


Hendrik

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Hendrik asked the tough question:

Question is, are you willing to risk your reputation with these cheap
filters. Just because they look similar does not mean that the quality is
the same. Personally I pay a little extra to get genuine filters.
Also are you willing to guarantee these filters?


I don't believe Rusty can be duped
He does this for a living. He's not going to fling out a piece of crap out
there for us.
He certainly can make more money selling us the filters we're used to
buying. Why would he risk invoking our collective ire?

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 148K (waiting on some of Rusty's good parts)
'01 VW Beetle TDI 61K
Litchfield Park, AZ



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