Re: [MBZ] New Ignition Switch Issue 95 E300D

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

i just unscrewed the switch from the back of the lock.  three screws and 
yer done!  No need to unplug the plug.   DON"T CUT THE WIRES


I had to repair a 124 where some moron had done that.  Doing so can 
leave you F.O.R.D. 


Worst case, cut the lock in half with a cutoff wheel!


Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
October 15, 2016 at 1:11 PM
You have to be able to turn the key to release the big plug off the 
back. You are probably going to have to break the connector or cut the 
wires and splice in the connector from the other car which will be a 
big pain on the ass.


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Re: [MBZ] New Ignition Switch Issue 95 E300D

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 15 Oct 2016 13:11:38 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> You have to be able to turn the key to release the big plug off the
> back. You are probably going to have to break the connector or cut the
> wires and splice in the connector from the other car which will be a
> big pain on the ass. 

Or try the "Wilton Procedure" to vibrate the key in the lock with hopes
of getting it to turn one last time.


Craig



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> > On Oct 15, 2016, at 11:31 AM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes
> > <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Well I got the steering lock out steering colum. I ground the locking
> > pin until the assembly came out since I couldn't get the key to turn.
> > Semi good news is that the same lock mechanism is in my dead 87 "190
> > 2.5 Turbo diesel.
> > 
> > Question should I be able to pull the connector plug on the end of
> > the ignition switch with the tumbler still in place or will I have to
> > start cutting.
> > 
> > The plan is to use the steering lock and tumbler from the 190 and get
> > a matching tumbler for the E300D, so I do not have to dig into and
> > change all the locks over!
> > 
> > Bob Massmann
> > 1995 E300D
> > 
> > -----Original Message----- From: Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> > Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 7:04 PM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List
> > Cc: Mitch Haley
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Ignition Switch Issue 95 E300D
> > 
> > 
> > You're going to wish you'd never turned it to "lock" when it didn't
> > want to go. Wilton got lucky, attached his key to a vibrating detail
> > sander and buzzed the cylinder wafers into the 'unlocked' position
> > one last time so he could remove the cylinder.
> > 
> > Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] New Ignition Switch Issue 95 E300D

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

You have to be able to turn the key to release the big plug off the back. You 
are probably going to have to break the connector or cut the wires and splice 
in the connector from the other car which will be a big pain on the ass. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 15, 2016, at 11:31 AM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Well I got the steering lock out steering colum. I ground the locking pin 
> until the assembly came out since I couldn't get the key to turn. Semi good 
> news is that the same lock mechanism is in my dead 87 "190 2.5 Turbo diesel.
> 
> Question should I be able to pull the connector plug on the end of the 
> ignition switch with the tumbler still in place or will I have to start 
> cutting.
> 
> The plan is to use the steering lock and tumbler from the 190 and get a 
> matching tumbler for the E300D, so I do not have to dig into and change all 
> the locks over!
> 
> Bob Massmann
> 1995 E300D
> 
> -Original Message- From: Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 7:04 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: Mitch Haley
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Ignition Switch Issue 95 E300D
> 
> 
> You're going to wish you'd never turned it to "lock" when it didn't want to 
> go.
> Wilton got lucky, attached his key to a vibrating detail sander and buzzed the
> cylinder wafers into the 'unlocked' position one last time so he could remove
> the cylinder.
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] New Ignition Switch Issue 95 E300D

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

You have to have the switch in the 1 position (Run) for the plug to pull 
out.



Robert Massmann via Mercedes 
October 15, 2016 at 11:31 AM
Well I got the steering lock out steering colum. I ground the locking 
pin until the assembly came out since I couldn't get the key to turn. 
Semi good news is that the same lock mechanism is in my dead 87 "190 
2.5 Turbo diesel.


Question should I be able to pull the connector plug on the end of the 
ignition switch with the tumbler still in place or will I have to 
start cutting.


The plan is to use the steering lock and tumbler from the 190 and get 
a matching tumbler for the E300D, so I do not have to dig into and 
change all the locks over!


Bob Massmann
1995 E300D


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Re: [MBZ] New Ignition Switch Issue 95 E300D

[Robert Massmann via Mercedes]

Well I got the steering lock out steering colum. I ground the locking pin 
until the assembly came out since I couldn't get the key to turn. Semi good 
news is that the same lock mechanism is in my dead 87 "190 2.5 Turbo diesel.


Question should I be able to pull the connector plug on the end of the 
ignition switch with the tumbler still in place or will I have to start 
cutting.


The plan is to use the steering lock and tumbler from the 190 and get a 
matching tumbler for the E300D, so I do not have to dig into and change all 
the locks over!


Bob Massmann
1995 E300D

-Original Message- 
From: Mitch Haley via Mercedes

Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 7:04 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Mitch Haley
Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Ignition Switch Issue 95 E300D


You're going to wish you'd never turned it to "lock" when it didn't want to 
go.
Wilton got lucky, attached his key to a vibrating detail sander and buzzed 
the
cylinder wafers into the 'unlocked' position one last time so he could 
remove

the cylinder.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] New Ignition Switch Issue 95 E300D

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

That's how it goes, many of us have been there...

Curt

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  On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 7:07 PM, Robert Massmann via 
Mercedes<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   Initially the key stopped somewhere 
between Accessory and run, and it 
wouldn't either direction until I added more pressure to turn it.  Didn't 
have any problems before this , no prior incidents at all?

BM

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Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin
Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Ignition Switch Issue 95 E300D

Should have pullled it while you could still turn it. Try giggling it while 
turning to see if you can get it to move one last time to pull it out then 
use a screw driver to start it until the new one comes in

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> On Oct 13, 2016, at 5:57 PM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> Well I have a problem with my ignition switch when I got home tonight.  I 
> had trouble turning the switch to the off position, I had to apply unusual 
> pressure to get it to the off position. Yes the transmission lever was in 
> the park position. I put the key back in and tried to turn it to the 
> accessory position, but it wouldn’t turn at all. I tried my spare key with 
> the same result, could not turn it out of the off position. Will need to 
> see if I can the whole assembly out. Is there a way to get the tumbler set 
> out besides turning it to release position to insert the release pin.
>
> Not sure what I need to do next? I guess it is possible to wear the switch 
> to a none work condition.
>
> Bob Massmann
> 1995 E300D 448,000 miles
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Re: [MBZ] New Ignition Switch Issue 95 E300D

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

+1 for what Wilton says.IF  you can get the old tumbler out, you can 
turn the switch with a large flat screwdriver as Kaleb said.  You can 
drive it that way untili  your new tumbler comes in.  You have to order 
the tumbler from MB.  They will want to see a copy of your title or 
registration, DL etc. before they will order the key and tumbler.



Jon Agne via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
October 14, 2016 at 7:03 AM
Yes, what Wilt says. It;s an easy job. Just order the cylinder from MB.

Jon




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October 13, 2016 at 6:34 PM
Better to have new tumbler ready when ya turn it and take about 20 
seconds to slip old one out and slip new one in.


Wilt

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Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 7:23 PM
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clay via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
October 13, 2016 at 6:23 PM
+1 on that method. It took me a week of Tri-flow and the buzzy sander 
on the key head to give me one last turn of the key on the R107. Once 
fired up, drive directly to a reputable lock smith





clay

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1986 SDL - Polei

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1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
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Mitch Haley via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
October 13, 2016 at 6:04 PM
You're going to wish you'd never turned it to "lock" when it didn't 
want to go.
Wilton got lucky, attached his key to a vibrating detail sander and 
buzzed the
cylinder wafers into the 'unlocked' position one last time so he could 
remove

the cylinder.

Mitch.

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Robert Massmann via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
October 13, 2016 at 5:57 PM
Well I have a problem with my ignition switch when I got home tonight. 
I had trouble turning the switch to the off position, I had to apply 
unusual pressure to get it to the off position. Yes the transmission 
lever was in the park position. I put the key back in and tried to 
turn it to the accessory position, but it wouldn't turn at all. I 
tried my spare key with the same result, could not turn it out of the 
off position. Will need to see if I can the whole assembly out. Is 
there a way to get the tumbler set out besides turning it to release 
position to insert the release pin.


Not sure what I need to do next? I guess it is possible to wear the 
switch to a none work condition.


Bob Massmann
1995 E300D 448,000 miles
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Re: [MBZ] New Ignition Switch Issue 95 E300D

[Jon Agne via Mercedes]

Yes, what Wilt says.  It;s an easy job.  Just order the cylinder from MB.

Jon


> On Oct 13, 2016, at 7:34 PM, WILTON via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Better to have new tumbler ready when ya turn it and take about 20 seconds to 
> slip old one out and slip new one in.
> 
> Wilt
> 
> - Original Message - From: "clay via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Cc: "clay" <redgh...@comcast.net>
> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 7:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Ignition Switch Issue 95 E300D
> 
> 
>> +1 on that method.  It took me a week of Tri-flow and the buzzy sander on 
>> the key head to give me one last turn of the key on the R107.  Once fired 
>> up, drive directly to a reputable lock smith
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>> 1986 SDL - Polei
>> 
>> retired models-
>> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
>> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 13, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> You're going to wish you'd never turned it to "lock" when it didn't want to 
>>> go.
>>> Wilton got lucky, attached his key to a vibrating detail sander and buzzed 
>>> the
>>> cylinder wafers into the 'unlocked' position one last time so he could 
>>> remove
>>> the cylinder.
>>> 
>>> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] New Ignition Switch Issue 95 E300D

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Better to have new tumbler ready when ya turn it and take about 20 seconds 
to slip old one out and slip new one in.


Wilt

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Ignition Switch Issue 95 E300D


+1 on that method.  It took me a week of Tri-flow and the buzzy sander on 
the key head to give me one last turn of the key on the R107.  Once fired 
up, drive directly to a reputable lock smith





clay

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei

retired models-
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








On Oct 13, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:



You're going to wish you'd never turned it to "lock" when it didn't want 
to go.
Wilton got lucky, attached his key to a vibrating detail sander and 
buzzed the
cylinder wafers into the 'unlocked' position one last time so he could 
remove

the cylinder.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] New Ignition Switch Issue 95 E300D

[clay via Mercedes]

+1 on that method.  It took me a week of Tri-flow and the buzzy sander on the 
key head to give me one last turn of the key on the R107.  Once fired up, drive 
directly to a reputable lock smith




clay 

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei

retired models-
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








> On Oct 13, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> You're going to wish you'd never turned it to "lock" when it didn't want to 
> go. 
> Wilton got lucky, attached his key to a vibrating detail sander and buzzed the
> cylinder wafers into the 'unlocked' position one last time so he could remove
> the cylinder. 
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] New Ignition Switch Issue 95 E300D

[Robert Massmann via Mercedes]

Initially the key stopped somewhere between Accessory and run, and it 
wouldn't either direction until I added more pressure to turn it.  Didn't 
have any problems before this , no prior incidents at all?


BM

-Original Message- 
From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes

Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 7:01 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin
Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Ignition Switch Issue 95 E300D

Should have pullled it while you could still turn it. Try giggling it while 
turning to see if you can get it to move one last time to pull it out then 
use a screw driver to start it until the new one comes in


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On Oct 13, 2016, at 5:57 PM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Well I have a problem with my ignition switch when I got home tonight.  I 
had trouble turning the switch to the off position, I had to apply unusual 
pressure to get it to the off position. Yes the transmission lever was in 
the park position. I put the key back in and tried to turn it to the 
accessory position, but it wouldn’t turn at all. I tried my spare key with 
the same result, could not turn it out of the off position. Will need to 
see if I can the whole assembly out. Is there a way to get the tumbler set 
out besides turning it to release position to insert the release pin.


Not sure what I need to do next? I guess it is possible to wear the switch 
to a none work condition.


Bob Massmann
1995 E300D 448,000 miles
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Re: [MBZ] New Ignition Switch Issue 95 E300D

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

You're going to wish you'd never turned it to "lock" when it didn't want to go. 
Wilton got lucky, attached his key to a vibrating detail sander and buzzed the
cylinder wafers into the 'unlocked' position one last time so he could remove
the cylinder. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] New Ignition Switch Issue 95 E300D

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Should have pullled it while you could still turn it. Try giggling it while 
turning to see if you can get it to move one last time to pull it out then use 
a screw driver to start it until the new one comes in

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> On Oct 13, 2016, at 5:57 PM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well I have a problem with my ignition switch when I got home tonight.  I had 
> trouble turning the switch to the off position, I had to apply unusual 
> pressure to get it to the off position. Yes the transmission lever was in the 
> park position. I put the key back in and tried to turn it to the accessory 
> position, but it wouldn’t turn at all. I tried my spare key with the same 
> result, could not turn it out of the off position. Will need to see if I can 
> the whole assembly out. Is there a way to get the tumbler set out besides 
> turning it to release position to insert the release pin.
> 
> Not sure what I need to do next? I guess it is possible to wear the switch to 
> a none work condition.
> 
> Bob Massmann
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