Re: [MBZ] No more sinking, maybe

2015-08-08 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

ATTABOY, maybe; 'hope it goes well.

Wilton

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Subject: [MBZ] No more sinking, maybe



FTE master cylinder arrived last night about 8:30 p.m., I had half a day
off so I installed it after lunch.  Did not bench bleed it, just used the
power bleeder and pushed fresh fluid out to all four wheels.

Pedal feel is exactly like before (mushy) but it has always been mushy on
that car.  I may decide to try a different brake booster.  What causes a
mushy brake pedal other than air or bad MC?  Time for new brake hoses at
all four corners?

At first, the pedal would sink, just like with the last MC.  I drove it
around the block and stopped hard a few times, and it got better.  Doesn't
sink now, brakes do their thing just fine, no pulling.  I may get some 
more

brake fluid and try bleeding it some more.

I think I'll drive this car for a few days and see how it performs.
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Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] No more sinking, maybe

2015-08-08 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Thanks, last night we drove that car around town, brakes are 100% normal.

I would love this '95 sedan to have the firm German feel that my 124  123 
wagons have/had, but I'm not sure of the root cause.

Who else can share the pedal feel for a 124 E300? How about other '95 124 cars? 
 Maybe my car is normal? 
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On August 8, 2015 11:17:35 AM EDT, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
wrote:
ATTABOY, maybe; 'hope it goes well.

Wilton



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Re: [MBZ] No more sinking, maybe

2015-08-08 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 11:27:31 -0400 Max Dillon via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 I would love this '95 sedan to have the firm German feel that my 124
  123 wagons have/had, but I'm not sure of the root cause.
 
 Who else can share the pedal feel for a 124 E300? How about other '95
 124 cars?  Maybe my car is normal? 

Our '95 E320 had good pedal feel.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] No more sinking, maybe

2015-08-08 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
I think you're right Dan, that'll be my next move.  I noticed that the
brake hoses on my '87 wagon are looking pretty ragged, might as well get an
extra set for the '95 sedan and see how that works.

Hmmm, if they are the same part number, perhaps I'll get one set of new
hoses for the wagon, and try them on the sedan before they go on the wagon,
then I'll know.  That will only cost me brake fluid and time.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 3:32 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 It’s the lines.  The R129s are the same way, they have really mushy
 feeling brakes no matter what.

 Put a set of new lines, or better yet, some stainless steel lines and
 you’ll have a noticeable difference.

 Dan



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Re: [MBZ] No more sinking, maybe

2015-08-08 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
I think of it as the four wheel disk pedal feel, experienced it the first time
I drove a Saab. I think any car with ZERO AIR (sometimes easier said than done)
and 4 wheel disks should have it. 

Mitch. 

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Re: [MBZ] No more sinking, maybe

2015-08-07 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

On 07/08/2015 3:33 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

FTE master cylinder arrived last night about 8:30 p.m., I had half a day
off so I installed it after lunch.  Did not bench bleed it, just used the
power bleeder and pushed fresh fluid out to all four wheels.

Pedal feel is exactly like before (mushy) but it has always been mushy on
that car.  I may decide to try a different brake booster.  What causes a
mushy brake pedal other than air or bad MC?  Time for new brake hoses at
all four corners?

At first, the pedal would sink, just like with the last MC.  I drove it
around the block and stopped hard a few times, and it got better.  Doesn't
sink now, brakes do their thing just fine, no pulling.  I may get some more
brake fluid and try bleeding it some more.

I think I'll drive this car for a few days and see how it performs.
-
Max
Charleston SC
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I think I would bleed the brakes some more. My son replaced some rusted 
brake lines on an old 4Runner that we had a few years back and had a 
devil of a time getting a good pedal. I think he bled it about 4 times 
before he got all of the air out.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] No more sinking, maybe

2015-08-07 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

FTE master cylinder arrived last night about 8:30 p.m., I had half a day
off so I installed it after lunch.  Did not bench bleed it, just used the
power bleeder and pushed fresh fluid out to all four wheels.

Pedal feel is exactly like before (mushy) but it has always been mushy on
that car.  I may decide to try a different brake booster.  What causes a
mushy brake pedal other than air or bad MC?  Time for new brake hoses at
all four corners?

At first, the pedal would sink, just like with the last MC.  I drove it
around the block and stopped hard a few times, and it got better.  Doesn't
sink now, brakes do their thing just fine, no pulling.  I may get some more
brake fluid and try bleeding it some more.

I think I'll drive this car for a few days and see how it performs.
-
Max
Charleston SC
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I am guessing you did not get all the air out of the master.  Did you 
bench bleed it first?  If not, it probably had air in it.  Often when 
driving, the master will bleed the air into the reservoir, or worse, 
the new rubber will rip or tear or scuff and you end up with a new 
leaky MC.


It is handy to have a junker around to borrow old MC lines from.  cut 
them 6-8 long and bend them so they go back into the MC.  Put on 
short rubber hoses that go under the fluid surface.  Put the MC in a 
vice, fill, then  run the plunger to the stop and back out several 
times until no more air bubbles come out.


Anyhow, if the pedal is firm now, you probably have all the air out.

waytago!

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