Re: [MBZ] OK, How do I get the instrument cluster out?

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Or one can easily make a nice set of hooks from a coat hanger:  Cut piece of 
coat hanger 6" to 8" long.  Bend 1/8" on one end 90° to main axis.  Make 
loop on other end for gripping with finger(s).  With hook aligned to slip 
into slot between cluster "case" and dashboard about 1" to 2" above outsider 
corners of cluster, push hook ¾" or so into slot; rotate hook 90° and pull 
it to engage outer case of cluster.  This always worked easily and nicely on 
my 123's and 126, but I had to free the cluster on my 124 the first time by 
driving putty knife into the slot around the case because of mfgr's glue 
overflow onto the rubber around the case/cluster.


W

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Craig,

Just got my official MB pulling hooks out of the tool chest.  Here’s what 
I can tell you:


Part number: 140 589 02 33 00
Length of wire: approximately 6” from handle to hook
Hook length: 3/16”
Wire diameter: ~ 2 mm

There is a black line approximately 2-1/2” up from the end with the hook. 
I suspect that’s a reference point for how far you’re supposed to stick 
them into the dash before rotating to engage the cluster.  I’ll check 
today as I’m planning on pulling the cluster on the 400E.


Here is a pair on the island of large women:

https://www.amazon.com/Genuine-Mercedes-Instrument-Cluster-140589023300/dp/B00VU0D7KO


-D


On Feb 13, 2018, at 3:32 PM, Craig via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
wrote:


On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 15:08:49 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


I used heavy coat hanger wire bent into a “T” for years until I finally
popped for a set of the official MB pullers a year ago.  They are
stout!!


For the official MB pullers:

- What is the diameter of the wire?

- How long is the bent portion?

- What is the part number?

Thanks,


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OK, How do I get the instrument cluster out?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That’s probably the biggest hindrance to getting them out - the rubber seal 
ages and pretty much anchors the thing in there.  The hooks won’t do it in this 
case, you need brute force.

-D


> On Feb 14, 2018, at 1:02 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On one older instrument cluster, I had to run a thin steel putty knife
> around to break the "seal" between the rubber and the dash - then I could
> push it out from the back.
> 
> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 11:55 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Let’s just say this:  If you want to pull the cluster, try pushing it out
>> from the back first.  If that doesn’t work, buy a set of hooks.
>> 
>> -D


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Re: [MBZ] OK, How do I get the instrument cluster out?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

On one older instrument cluster, I had to run a thin steel putty knife
around to break the "seal" between the rubber and the dash - then I could
push it out from the back.

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 11:55 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Let’s just say this:  If you want to pull the cluster, try pushing it out
> from the back first.  If that doesn’t work, buy a set of hooks.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Feb 14, 2018, at 12:47 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > So, I should not need hooks?
> >
> > RB
> >
> > On 14/02/2018 11:46 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> >> They do, but the older clusters usually push out from the back pretty
> easy.  That and they’re more accessible from the back as well.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Feb 14, 2018, at 12:44 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Do these work for all of the older MB's? IE - my 1976 300D?
> >>> I need to do something about my dash lights rheostat that no longer
> permits any light. It used to work if I wiggled it around a bit, but not
> any more. Makes any driving at night a bit difficult and somewhat dangerous
> as I cannot see my speed or the oil pressure, temperature etc.
> >>>
> >>> RB
> >>>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OK, How do I get the instrument cluster out?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Let’s just say this:  If you want to pull the cluster, try pushing it out from 
the back first.  If that doesn’t work, buy a set of hooks.

-D


> On Feb 14, 2018, at 12:47 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So, I should not need hooks?
> 
> RB
> 
> On 14/02/2018 11:46 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> They do, but the older clusters usually push out from the back pretty easy.  
>> That and they’re more accessible from the back as well.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 14, 2018, at 12:44 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Do these work for all of the older MB's? IE - my 1976 300D?
>>> I need to do something about my dash lights rheostat that no longer permits 
>>> any light. It used to work if I wiggled it around a bit, but not any more. 
>>> Makes any driving at night a bit difficult and somewhat dangerous as I 
>>> cannot see my speed or the oil pressure, temperature etc.
>>> 
>>> RB
>>> 


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Re: [MBZ] OK, How do I get the instrument cluster out?

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

So, I should not need hooks?

RB

On 14/02/2018 11:46 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

They do, but the older clusters usually push out from the back pretty easy.  
That and they’re more accessible from the back as well.

-D



On Feb 14, 2018, at 12:44 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Do these work for all of the older MB's? IE - my 1976 300D?
I need to do something about my dash lights rheostat that no longer permits any 
light. It used to work if I wiggled it around a bit, but not any more. Makes 
any driving at night a bit difficult and somewhat dangerous as I cannot see my 
speed or the oil pressure, temperature etc.

RB

On 14/02/2018 7:18 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Craig,

Just got my official MB pulling hooks out of the tool chest.  Here’s what I can 
tell you:

Part number: 140 589 02 33 00
Length of wire: approximately 6” from handle to hook
Hook length: 3/16”
Wire diameter: ~ 2 mm

There is a black line approximately 2-1/2” up from the end with the hook.  I 
suspect that’s a reference point for how far you’re supposed to stick them into 
the dash before rotating to engage the cluster.  I’ll check today as I’m 
planning on pulling the cluster on the 400E.

Here is a pair on the island of large women:

https://www.amazon.com/Genuine-Mercedes-Instrument-Cluster-140589023300/dp/B00VU0D7KO


-D







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Re: [MBZ] OK, How do I get the instrument cluster out?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

They do, but the older clusters usually push out from the back pretty easy.  
That and they’re more accessible from the back as well.

-D


> On Feb 14, 2018, at 12:44 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Do these work for all of the older MB's? IE - my 1976 300D?
> I need to do something about my dash lights rheostat that no longer permits 
> any light. It used to work if I wiggled it around a bit, but not any more. 
> Makes any driving at night a bit difficult and somewhat dangerous as I cannot 
> see my speed or the oil pressure, temperature etc.
> 
> RB
> 
> On 14/02/2018 7:18 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Craig,
>> 
>> Just got my official MB pulling hooks out of the tool chest.  Here’s what I 
>> can tell you:
>> 
>> Part number: 140 589 02 33 00
>> Length of wire: approximately 6” from handle to hook
>> Hook length: 3/16”
>> Wire diameter: ~ 2 mm
>> 
>> There is a black line approximately 2-1/2” up from the end with the hook.  I 
>> suspect that’s a reference point for how far you’re supposed to stick them 
>> into the dash before rotating to engage the cluster.  I’ll check today as 
>> I’m planning on pulling the cluster on the 400E.
>> 
>> Here is a pair on the island of large women:
>> 
>> https://www.amazon.com/Genuine-Mercedes-Instrument-Cluster-140589023300/dp/B00VU0D7KO
>> 
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OK, How do I get the instrument cluster out?

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Do these work for all of the older MB's? IE - my 1976 300D?
I need to do something about my dash lights rheostat that no longer 
permits any light. It used to work if I wiggled it around a bit, but not 
any more. Makes any driving at night a bit difficult and somewhat 
dangerous as I cannot see my speed or the oil pressure, temperature etc.


RB

On 14/02/2018 7:18 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Craig,

Just got my official MB pulling hooks out of the tool chest.  Here’s what I can 
tell you:

Part number: 140 589 02 33 00
Length of wire: approximately 6” from handle to hook
Hook length: 3/16”
Wire diameter: ~ 2 mm

There is a black line approximately 2-1/2” up from the end with the hook.  I 
suspect that’s a reference point for how far you’re supposed to stick them into 
the dash before rotating to engage the cluster.  I’ll check today as I’m 
planning on pulling the cluster on the 400E.

Here is a pair on the island of large women:

https://www.amazon.com/Genuine-Mercedes-Instrument-Cluster-140589023300/dp/B00VU0D7KO


-D





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Re: [MBZ] OK, How do I get the instrument cluster out?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Absolutely not.  I bought mine from my dealer just a few months ago.  All over 
the aftemarket, too.

-D


> On Feb 14, 2018, at 11:13 AM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> I wonder if they're NLA.
> 
> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 8:18 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> > wrote:
> Craig,
> 
> Just got my official MB pulling hooks out of the tool chest.  Here’s what I 
> can tell you:
> 
> Part number: 140 589 02 33 00
> Length of wire: approximately 6” from handle to hook
> Hook length: 3/16”
> Wire diameter: ~ 2 mm
> 
> There is a black line approximately 2-1/2” up from the end with the hook.  I 
> suspect that’s a reference point for how far you’re supposed to stick them 
> into the dash before rotating to engage the cluster.  I’ll check today as I’m 
> planning on pulling the cluster on the 400E.
> 
> Here is a pair on the island of large women:
> 
> https://www.amazon.com/Genuine-Mercedes-Instrument-Cluster-140589023300/dp/B00VU0D7KO
>  
> 
> 
> 
> -D
> 
> 

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Re: [MBZ] OK, How do I get the instrument cluster out?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I wonder if they're NLA.

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 8:18 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Craig,
>
> Just got my official MB pulling hooks out of the tool chest.  Here’s what
> I can tell you:
>
> Part number: 140 589 02 33 00
> Length of wire: approximately 6” from handle to hook
> Hook length: 3/16”
> Wire diameter: ~ 2 mm
>
> There is a black line approximately 2-1/2” up from the end with the hook.
> I suspect that’s a reference point for how far you’re supposed to stick
> them into the dash before rotating to engage the cluster.  I’ll check today
> as I’m planning on pulling the cluster on the 400E.
>
> Here is a pair on the island of large women:
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Genuine-Mercedes-Instrument-
> Cluster-140589023300/dp/B00VU0D7KO
>
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Feb 13, 2018, at 3:32 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 15:08:49 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> I used heavy coat hanger wire bent into a “T” for years until I finally
> >> popped for a set of the official MB pullers a year ago.  They are
> >> stout!!
> >
> > For the official MB pullers:
> >
> >   - What is the diameter of the wire?
> >
> >   - How long is the bent portion?
> >
> >   - What is the part number?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> > Craig
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OK, How do I get the instrument cluster out?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Craig,

Just got my official MB pulling hooks out of the tool chest.  Here’s what I can 
tell you:

Part number: 140 589 02 33 00
Length of wire: approximately 6” from handle to hook
Hook length: 3/16”
Wire diameter: ~ 2 mm

There is a black line approximately 2-1/2” up from the end with the hook.  I 
suspect that’s a reference point for how far you’re supposed to stick them into 
the dash before rotating to engage the cluster.  I’ll check today as I’m 
planning on pulling the cluster on the 400E.

Here is a pair on the island of large women:

https://www.amazon.com/Genuine-Mercedes-Instrument-Cluster-140589023300/dp/B00VU0D7KO


-D


> On Feb 13, 2018, at 3:32 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 15:08:49 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> I used heavy coat hanger wire bent into a “T” for years until I finally
>> popped for a set of the official MB pullers a year ago.  They are
>> stout!!
> 
> For the official MB pullers:
> 
>   - What is the diameter of the wire?
> 
>   - How long is the bent portion?
> 
>   - What is the part number?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] OK, How do I get the instrument cluster out?

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 15:08:49 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I used heavy coat hanger wire bent into a “T” for years until I finally
> popped for a set of the official MB pullers a year ago.  They are
> stout!!

For the official MB pullers:

- What is the diameter of the wire?

- How long is the bent portion?

- What is the part number?

Thanks,


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OK, How do I get the instrument cluster out?

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

On my 124 cars, it is tight compared to my 123.190.  The speedometer cable is 
responsible.
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Re: [MBZ] OK, How do I get the instrument cluster out?

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 22:44:03 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> If you can, great.  If not, there’s enough slop in the jacket/cable
> that you can pull the cluster out partially enough to get your hand
> back there to unscrew the collar that holds the cable in place. I can’t
> get a good purchase on the collar when everything is in the dash, so I
> pull the cluster first and do it there.  It also allows you enough room
> to get a pair of sip joint pliers on the collar if it’s really tight.

Then it's not that different from a W123.

Thank you!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OK, How do I get the instrument cluster out?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

If you can, great.  If not, there’s enough slop in the jacket/cable that you 
can pull the cluster out partially enough to get your hand back there to 
unscrew the collar that holds the cable in place. I can’t get a good purchase 
on the collar when everything is in the dash, so I pull the cluster first and 
do it there.  It also allows you enough room to get a pair of sip joint pliers 
on the collar if it’s really tight.

-D


> On Feb 12, 2018, at 10:41 PM, Craig via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 21:37:50 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> Certainly. It’s just held in by friction, and that’s if a previous
>> remover didn’t toss the little rubber pads that are on the sides of the
>> cluster that often fall out/off when it’s removed.
>> 
>> Otherwise, take your improvised “J” hooks and insert them at the top
>> corners of the cluster between the pad and the cluster.  Once they get
>> past that, push them farther back, then rotate 90 degrees to turn the
>> little part of the “J” so it’s behind the back of the cluster.  You’ll
>> know if it’s not far enough back as you won’t be able to rotate it.
>> 
>> Once you’ve turned the hooks to engage the cluster, pull!  Rock it back
>> and forth as that will often break it loose if it hasn’t been out for a
>> while.
> 
> Does one disconnect the speedometer cable before or after pulling the
> cluster out?
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] OK, How do I get the instrument cluster out?

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On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 21:37:50 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Certainly. It’s just held in by friction, and that’s if a previous
> remover didn’t toss the little rubber pads that are on the sides of the
> cluster that often fall out/off when it’s removed.
> 
> Otherwise, take your improvised “J” hooks and insert them at the top
> corners of the cluster between the pad and the cluster.  Once they get
> past that, push them farther back, then rotate 90 degrees to turn the
> little part of the “J” so it’s behind the back of the cluster.  You’ll
> know if it’s not far enough back as you won’t be able to rotate it.
> 
> Once you’ve turned the hooks to engage the cluster, pull!  Rock it back
> and forth as that will often break it loose if it hasn’t been out for a
> while.

Does one disconnect the speedometer cable before or after pulling the
cluster out?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OK, How do I get the instrument cluster out?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Certainly. It’s just held in by friction, and that’s if a previous remover 
didn’t toss the little rubber pads that are on the sides of the cluster that 
often fall out/off when it’s removed.

Otherwise, take your improvised “J” hooks and insert them at the top corners of 
the cluster between the pad and the cluster.  Once they get past that, push 
them farther back, then rotate 90 degrees to turn the little part of the “J” so 
it’s behind the back of the cluster.  You’ll know if it’s not far enough back 
as you won’t be able to rotate it.

Once you’ve turned the hooks to engage the cluster, pull!  Rock it back and 
forth as that will often break it loose if it hasn’t been out for a while.

-D


> On Feb 12, 2018, at 8:59 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 14:49:53 -0500 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> Fashion a couple of hooks from some really stiff wire, insert in the
>> same area that you would for a 123 cluster, rotate and pull out.
>> 
>> BUT before you do that: Unhook the speedometer cable to provide some
>> slack to avoid putting a kink in the cable.  It is anchored below the
>> dash under the carpet / foot rest, right below the steering column.
>> You may also want to unhook from the transmission and push some up into
>> the passenger compartment to make sure you don't kink the cable.
> 
> Can I push it out from behind like a 123 cluster?
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] OK, How do I get the instrument cluster out?

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 14:49:53 -0500 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Fashion a couple of hooks from some really stiff wire, insert in the
> same area that you would for a 123 cluster, rotate and pull out.
> 
> BUT before you do that: Unhook the speedometer cable to provide some
> slack to avoid putting a kink in the cable.  It is anchored below the
> dash under the carpet / foot rest, right below the steering column.
> You may also want to unhook from the transmission and push some up into
> the passenger compartment to make sure you don't kink the cable.

Can I push it out from behind like a 123 cluster?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OK, How do I get the instrument cluster out?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I used heavy coat hanger wire bent into a “T” for years until I finally popped 
for a set of the official MB pullers a year ago.  They are stout!!

-D


> On Feb 12, 2018, at 2:49 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Fashion a couple of hooks from some really stiff wire, insert in the same
> area that you would for a 123 cluster, rotate and pull out.
> 
> BUT before you do that: Unhook the speedometer cable to provide some slack
> to avoid putting a kink in the cable.  It is anchored below the dash under
> the carpet / foot rest, right below the steering column.  You may also want
> to unhook from the transmission and push some up into the passenger
> compartment to make sure you don't kink the cable.
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 2:04 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> In wanting to work on the speedometer/odometer of our '90 E300D, I need
>> to get the instrument cluster out.
>> 
>> How do I do that? Any tips or hints?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> 
>> Craig
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OK, How do I get the instrument cluster out?

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Fashion a couple of hooks from some really stiff wire, insert in the same
area that you would for a 123 cluster, rotate and pull out.

BUT before you do that: Unhook the speedometer cable to provide some slack
to avoid putting a kink in the cable.  It is anchored below the dash under
the carpet / foot rest, right below the steering column.  You may also want
to unhook from the transmission and push some up into the passenger
compartment to make sure you don't kink the cable.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 2:04 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> In wanting to work on the speedometer/odometer of our '90 E300D, I need
> to get the instrument cluster out.
>
> How do I do that? Any tips or hints?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Craig
>
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