Re: [MBZ] OT: C-47 glider towing

2015-09-03 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
From a cinematography standpoint "The Longest Day" is typical of its vintage. 
Most of it was shot on a sound stage. "Saving Private Ryan" has a much more 
"real" look and of course the sound design is 20 years more advanced.
The stuff with the Duke is pretty sappy too, again typical of his acting style 
and the time.
-Curt

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As someone mentioned previously, if you ever watched “The Longest Day”, which 
is probably one of the best ever movies made about D-Day, you would have seen 
numerous references to gliders.

If you haven’t see the movie I highly advise doing so.  It’s well done and 
pretty historically accurate.

I saw some of “Patton” the other day.  I love that guy.

Dan





> On Sep 3, 2015, at 9:58 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Every new generation has to learn different things. If I'd learned the same 
> thing in school as Scott I'd have missed decades of advancement. Remember the 
> old people when you were a kid were also saying "kids these days!"
> IIRC there was some famous greek that published something on kids and their 
> weird music. It reads like it was written yesterday.
> -Curt
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: C-47 glider towing
> 
> 
> 
>> On September 2, 2015 at 11:29 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>  I am surprised that any American did not know about this effort but
>> I guess much has changed since I went to school.  But maybe that explains
>> much.
> 
> My memory is no longer fantastic, but the only military gliders I remember 
> from
> my childhood
> were the imaginary ones that an enlisted guy in M*A*S*H shot down, capturing
> imaginary
> prisoners and getting himself a nonimaginary mental health discharge in the
> process. 
> 
> Mitch.
> 
> 
> 


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Re: [MBZ] OT: C-47 glider towing

2015-09-03 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Every new generation has to learn different things. If I'd learned the same 
thing in school as Scott I'd have missed decades of advancement. Remember the 
old people when you were a kid were also saying "kids these days!"
IIRC there was some famous greek that published something on kids and their 
weird music. It reads like it was written yesterday.
-Curt
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 Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2015 9:49 AM
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> On September 2, 2015 at 11:29 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>  I am surprised that any American did not know about this effort but
> I guess much has changed since I went to school.  But maybe that explains
> much.

My memory is no longer fantastic, but the only military gliders I remember from
my childhood
were the imaginary ones that an enlisted guy in M*A*S*H shot down, capturing
imaginary
prisoners and getting himself a nonimaginary mental health discharge in the
process. 

Mitch.



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Re: [MBZ] OT: C-47 glider towing

2015-09-03 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
As someone mentioned previously, if you ever watched “The Longest Day”, which 
is probably one of the best ever movies made about D-Day, you would have seen 
numerous references to gliders.

If you haven’t see the movie I highly advise doing so.  It’s well done and 
pretty historically accurate.

I saw some of “Patton” the other day.  I love that guy.

Dan



> On Sep 3, 2015, at 9:58 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Every new generation has to learn different things. If I'd learned the same 
> thing in school as Scott I'd have missed decades of advancement. Remember the 
> old people when you were a kid were also saying "kids these days!"
> IIRC there was some famous greek that published something on kids and their 
> weird music. It reads like it was written yesterday.
> -Curt
>  From: Mitch Haley via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> Cc: Mitch Haley <mi...@mitchellhaley.com> 
> Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2015 9:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: C-47 glider towing
> 
> 
> 
>> On September 2, 2015 at 11:29 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>   I am surprised that any American did not know about this effort but
>> I guess much has changed since I went to school.  But maybe that explains
>> much.
> 
> My memory is no longer fantastic, but the only military gliders I remember 
> from
> my childhood
> were the imaginary ones that an enlisted guy in M*A*S*H shot down, capturing
> imaginary
> prisoners and getting himself a nonimaginary mental health discharge in the
> process. 
> 
> Mitch.
> 
> 
> 


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Re: [MBZ] OT: C-47 glider towing

2015-09-03 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I would agree.

From a purely historical standpoint, and as far as getting a really good 
overview of the scale of the operation, “The Longest Day” does a good job I 
think.

“Saving Private Ryan” is good, to, but the realism is sort of jarring.  That’s 
not a bad thing, just an observation.

Dan


> On Sep 3, 2015, at 10:17 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> From a cinematography standpoint "The Longest Day" is typical of its vintage. 
> Most of it was shot on a sound stage. "Saving Private Ryan" has a much more 
> "real" look and of course the sound design is 20 years more advanced.
> The stuff with the Duke is pretty sappy too, again typical of his acting 
> style and the time.
> -Curt
> 
>

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Re: [MBZ] OT: C-47 glider towing

2015-09-03 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
Wait! WAIT!  Are you dissing The Duke?  What are you, some kinda g.d. 
commie pinko red?  Come on, boy, speak up!  IMA TAWKIN TA YOU  DO 
YOU HATE ELVIS TOO


What is this world coming to

--R


On 9/3/15 10:17 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

 From a cinematography standpoint "The Longest Day" is typical of its vintage. Most of it was shot 
on a sound stage. "Saving Private Ryan" has a much more "real" look and of course the 
sound design is 20 years more advanced.
The stuff with the Duke is pretty sappy too, again typical of his acting style 
and the time.
-Curt



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Re: [MBZ] OT: C-47 glider towing

2015-09-03 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Wow.  I have, and it was really painful to watch. Oy.

Dan


> On Sep 3, 2015, at 10:43 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Have you seen him playing Genghis 
> Khan?http://cdn.zmescience.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/johnwayne-art.jpg
> 
> 
> -Curt
>  From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
> Cc: Rich Thomas <richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> 
> Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2015 10:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: C-47 glider towing
> 
> Wait! WAIT!  Are you dissing The Duke?  What are you, some kinda g.d. 
> commie pinko red?  Come on, boy, speak up!  IMA TAWKIN TA YOU  DO 
> YOU HATE ELVIS TOO
> 
> What is this world coming to
> 
> --R
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 9/3/15 10:17 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>>   From a cinematography standpoint "The Longest Day" is typical of its 
>> vintage. Most of it was shot on a sound stage. "Saving Private Ryan" has a 
>> much more "real" look and of course the sound design is 20 years more 
>> advanced.
>> The stuff with the Duke is pretty sappy too, again typical of his acting 
>> style and the time.
>> -Curt
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: C-47 glider towing

2015-09-03 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Yup, "Saving Private Ryan" was the first in a new era of realism in film. Much 
of the camera work is hand held, the time compression was a very new concept, 
the colors are muted, sound is louder or softer than you'd expect based on the 
situation.
I had to write a paper on it in college (film school remember) after I'd make a 
trailer for "Shaving Ryan's Privates"
-Curt

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I would agree.

From a purely historical standpoint, and as far as getting a really good 
overview of the scale of the operation, “The Longest Day” does a good job I 
think.

“Saving Private Ryan” is good, to, but the realism is sort of jarring.  That’s 
not a bad thing, just an observation.

Dan




> On Sep 3, 2015, at 10:17 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> From a cinematography standpoint "The Longest Day" is typical of its vintage. 
> Most of it was shot on a sound stage. "Saving Private Ryan" has a much more 
> "real" look and of course the sound design is 20 years more advanced.
> The stuff with the Duke is pretty sappy too, again typical of his acting 
> style and the time.
> -Curt
> 
>    

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Re: [MBZ] OT: C-47 glider towing

2015-09-03 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes


> On September 2, 2015 at 11:29 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>  I am surprised that any American did not know about this effort but
> I guess much has changed since I went to school.  But maybe that explains
> much.

My memory is no longer fantastic, but the only military gliders I remember from
my childhood
were the imaginary ones that an enlisted guy in M*A*S*H shot down, capturing
imaginary
prisoners and getting himself a nonimaginary mental health discharge in the
process. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: C-47 glider towing

2015-09-03 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Have you seen him playing Genghis 
Khan?http://cdn.zmescience.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/johnwayne-art.jpg


-Curt
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 Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2015 10:40 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: C-47 glider towing
   
Wait! WAIT!  Are you dissing The Duke?  What are you, some kinda g.d. 
commie pinko red?  Come on, boy, speak up!  IMA TAWKIN TA YOU  DO 
YOU HATE ELVIS TOO

What is this world coming to

--R




On 9/3/15 10:17 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>  From a cinematography standpoint "The Longest Day" is typical of its 
>vintage. Most of it was shot on a sound stage. "Saving Private Ryan" has a 
>much more "real" look and of course the sound design is 20 years more advanced.
> The stuff with the Duke is pretty sappy too, again typical of his acting 
> style and the time.
> -Curt


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Re: [MBZ] OT: C-47 glider towing

2015-09-02 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Wow, this is the first I heard of gliders during WWII.  I wonder what the
carrying capacity was of the largest glder?

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> One of my uncles was a glider pilot in WWII in Europe. He barely survived
>> the crash landing, and it was over 40 years later before he would get in
>> another aircraft.
>>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6m0qJ2thQ7c
>
> 45 min about WWII gliders
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Re: [MBZ] OT: C-47 glider towing

2015-09-02 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes

The most widely-used US glider in WWII was the Waco CG-4 with 15 seats.  The
larger CG-10 could carry almost 11K lb of cargo (like two howitzers).  These
were basically one-time-use throw-away aircraft, a far cry from today's sail
planes.  I am surprised that any American did not know about this effort but
I guess much has changed since I went to school.  But maybe that explains
much.


> Andrew Strasfogel said:   Wow, this is the first I heard of gliders during
WWII.  I wonder what the
> carrying capacity was of the largest glder?



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Re: [MBZ] OT: C-47 glider towing

2015-09-02 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes


"I guess much has changed since I went to school.  But maybe that explains
much."   Scott Ritchey



I nominate that for the okiebenz hall of notable quotes.   (or is 
that quotable notes?)


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Re: [MBZ] OT: C-47 glider towing

2015-09-02 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Watch "The Longest Day." Pretty good fictional depiction of the problem with 
gliders, plus, the Duke...
-Curt
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Wow, this is the first I heard of gliders during WWII.  I wonder what the
carrying capacity was of the largest glder?

On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 12:03 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> One of my uncles was a glider pilot in WWII in Europe. He barely survived
>> the crash landing, and it was over 40 years later before he would get in
>> another aircraft.
>>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6m0qJ2thQ7c
>
> 45 min about WWII gliders
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Re: [MBZ] OT: C-47 glider towing

2015-09-02 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
There must have been a lot of gliders if all that's all they could carry.

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Watch "The Longest Day." Pretty good fictional depiction of the problem
>> with gliders, plus, the Duke...
>> -Curt
>>
>
>
> ooh!  Good movie, but I like the Quiet Man and McClintock better. BTW:  go
> see the new John Wayne Birthplace Visitors Center!  Way cool!
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Re: [MBZ] OT: C-47 glider towing

2015-09-02 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
My uncle was killed in one in Belgium. Great  soaring museum near big flats
NY has one on display. Big wooden hulk.
On Sep 2, 2015 2:50 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Wow, this is the first I heard of gliders during WWII.  I wonder what the
> carrying capacity was of the largest glder?
>
> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 12:03 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > One of my uncles was a glider pilot in WWII in Europe. He barely survived
> >> the crash landing, and it was over 40 years later before he would get in
> >> another aircraft.
> >>
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6m0qJ2thQ7c
> >
> > 45 min about WWII gliders
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Re: [MBZ] OT: C-47 glider towing

2015-09-02 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
Watch "The Longest Day." Pretty good fictional depiction of the 
problem with gliders, plus, the Duke...

-Curt



ooh!  Good movie, but I like the Quiet Man and McClintock better. 
BTW:  go see the new John Wayne Birthplace Visitors Center!  Way cool!


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Re: [MBZ] OT: C-47 glider towing

2015-09-01 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

One of my uncles was a glider pilot in WWII in Europe. He barely survived
the crash landing, and it was over 40 years later before he would get in
another aircraft.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6m0qJ2thQ7c

45 min about WWII gliders

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Re: [MBZ] OT: C-47 glider towing

2015-08-31 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
There was a show on PBS last night about the Battle of the Bulge, was 
pretty good.  Showed some old movies of gliders landing and crashing in 
France, trying to drop in more men and supplies.  Those things were 
pretty much matchsticks with some fabric around them. Saw one that 
landed OK then hit something, a hedgerow or ditch and pitched over, 
smashing in the cockpit it looked like.  No protection for the guys in 
the front seats fer sure.


Another showed the Germans dropping large fuel tanks (looked like 
torpedoes or aircraft drop tanks) with parachutes on them to resupply 
the tanks that were out of fuel.   A lot of them landed in the American 
areas, some hung on trees, did not work very well.


They showed quite a few memorials in the area, some very large, to the 
(mostly) American soldiers who fought and died, or were captured and 
murdered by the SS.  That aspect was very humbling as were the 
interviews with survivors of the campaign.  They were some tough old 
guys, though I guess they didn't have much choice in the matter but to 
press on.


--R



On 8/30/15 1:32 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
OK Don, (quoter of Sam Clemons and WIll Rogers) sez:  One of my 
uncles was a glider pilot in WWII in Europe. He barely survived

the crash landing, and it was over 40 years later before he would get in
another aircraft.



There is an audio recording of Lee Cline  of WHO Radio interviewing a 
guy name Sylvan  in the 60s or 70s about his experience as a 
glider pilot.  Sylvan worked for the stat Conservation Commission, and 
Lee asked him why he walked with a limp.  Sylvan told about the glider 
experience and the difference between training and landing in france, 
with the hedgerows and rock walls.   Sylvan's glider hit a hedge and 
rock wall, and he was on his way home on his first day in france.  His 
gimpy leg was his souvenir of trying to land a glider in a postage 
stamp size field in france.  I'll see if I can find the cd figure out 
a way to put the interview online.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfYSmGl8io8

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Re: [MBZ] OT: C-47 glider towing

2015-08-30 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
OK Don, (quoter of Sam Clemons and WIll Rogers) sez:  One of my 
uncles was a glider pilot in WWII in Europe. He barely survived

the crash landing, and it was over 40 years later before he would get in
another aircraft.



There is an audio recording of Lee Cline  of WHO Radio interviewing a 
guy name Sylvan  in the 60s or 70s about his experience as a 
glider pilot.  Sylvan worked for the stat Conservation Commission, 
and Lee asked him why he walked with a limp.  Sylvan told about the 
glider experience and the difference between training and landing in 
france, with the hedgerows and rock walls.   Sylvan's glider hit a 
hedge and rock wall, and he was on his way home on his first day in 
france.  His gimpy leg was his souvenir of trying to land a glider in 
a postage stamp size field in france.  I'll see if I can find the cd 
figure out a way to put the interview online.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfYSmGl8io8

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Re: [MBZ] OT: C-47 glider towing

2015-08-30 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
One of my uncles was a glider pilot in WWII in Europe. He barely survived
the crash landing, and it was over 40 years later before he would get in
another aircraft.

On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Nice article. I would have sent it to him if he was still alive.

 My Dad was in a glider training program for WWII, luckily the program was
 suspended before my Dad was shipped over. His training took place in Texas
 I think. Program was stopped because of high casualty rates during the
 landing process.

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 Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2015 7:06 PM
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 Cc: OK Don
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: C-47 glider towing

 Good one. I'd read about the development of this procedure before, but
 hadn't seen a movie of it in action.

 It makes me think that is we did this today, a glider club could launch
 sailplanes twice as fast as they do with the tow plane landing after each
 tow - they could just circle around, constantly pulling gliders into the
 air - too cool. My 182 used to have a glider tow hook, might have to find
 another one . . .

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 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 For the military aviation buffs:



 http://warisboring.com/articles/the-snatch-method-was-one-crazy-way-to-make-a-glider-fly/

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Re: [MBZ] OT: C-47 glider towing

2015-08-30 Thread Robert Massmann via Mercedes

Nice article. I would have sent it to him if he was still alive.

My Dad was in a glider training program for WWII, luckily the program was 
suspended before my Dad was shipped over. His training took place in Texas I 
think. Program was stopped because of high casualty rates during the landing 
process.


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From: OK Don via Mercedes

Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2015 7:06 PM
To: Mitch Haley ; Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: OK Don
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: C-47 glider towing

Good one. I'd read about the development of this procedure before, but
hadn't seen a movie of it in action.

It makes me think that is we did this today, a glider club could launch
sailplanes twice as fast as they do with the tow plane landing after each
tow - they could just circle around, constantly pulling gliders into the
air - too cool. My 182 used to have a glider tow hook, might have to find
another one . . .

On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


For the military aviation buffs:


http://warisboring.com/articles/the-snatch-method-was-one-crazy-way-to-make-a-glider-fly/

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our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves.

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] OT: C-47 glider towing

2015-08-29 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Good one. I'd read about the development of this procedure before, but
hadn't seen a movie of it in action.

It makes me think that is we did this today, a glider club could launch
sailplanes twice as fast as they do with the tow plane landing after each
tow - they could just circle around, constantly pulling gliders into the
air - too cool. My 182 used to have a glider tow hook, might have to find
another one . . .

On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 For the military aviation buffs:


 http://warisboring.com/articles/the-snatch-method-was-one-crazy-way-to-make-a-glider-fly/

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our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves.

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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