I'm glad I asked. As the kids say "TIL that REA was loans to rural coops."
-Curt
On Tuesday, April 30, 2019, 4:32:04 PM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes
wrote:
REA helped Lektrick coops to organize and offered them low interest
loans. AFIK, all loans from the 1930s were paid back
I am on the board of our little rural water company. We got federal loans to
build new infrastructure (and the original build-out 40+ years ago) because
banks won’t loan money for that although we were later able to refinance those
loans through private banks to get lower interest rates. We
REA helped Lektrick coops to organize and offered them low interest
loans. AFIK, all loans from the 1930s were paid back long ago. I
doubt any were over 50 years. Is a loan program really a subsidy? If
the loan is subsidized like FHA, VA etc, then maybe. I don't know if
the loans to
> Curt wrote:
> How does REA have any justification when other subsidies don't?
Are the other subsidies "gifts" or "loans"?
I believe all the money in REA was as loans.
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Cape Wind also had to deal with Tribal issues.
https://newsmaven.io/indiancountrytoday/archive/aquinnah-wampanoag-sues-feds-over-cape-wind-OAkvpCXRH06s8ZIAF4K6zg/
On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 12:05 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> Cape Wind was the WORST NIBY case ever,
Cape Wind was the WORST NIBY case ever, the windmills would have been almost
invisible from land. I forget exactly but they were miles out and would have
been inches high on the horizon...
-Curt
On Monday, April 29, 2019, 6:03:50 PM EDT, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
wrote:
Err uh,
Come to the hospital in Gardner and watch the turkeys flock under the wind
turbines. You can see them from where I go to cardiac rehab. Now if I could
only sit under there with my shotgun...
The really big turbines being installed today barely make any noise at all.
Gardner has I think 4 1.5MW
How does REA have any justification when other subsidies don't? If people want
to live out there why is it okay to use other people's money to give them
electricity?
Really what I'm asking is if "no subsidies" is the goal how can there be some
subsidies?
For the record rural electrification
The combined water/sewer/trash bill arrived this morning on the house in
Seattle. For the pleasure of using no water from Jan.1 until April 16, I got a
bill for $146.78. No rebate for being on “vacation”. The trash service did
charge me an extra $6.50 to be on vacation, but gave a credit for
Err uh, err uh, Senatah Kennedy (D-UI) was err uh not in favah of them offshoah
in err uh Nantucket Sound as they would err uh represent an impediment to his
err uh sailing prowess, especially err uh while SUI.
But he has err uh been sobah now for err uh 7 or 8 yeahs so he might err uh
have a
Siting issues are a problem for all energy sources: oil and gas wells,
centralized solar, pipelines, coal mines, nuclear power plants and waste
repositories, and wind turbines. Best solution for wind is offshore - out
of sight and with less chances of avian mortalities.
On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at
Well, rich upright primates don't like them either. There have been
some pretty spectacular NIMBY cases out east.
Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote on 4/29/19 3:28 PM:
Wind ain’t no picnic you know. Wildlife promptly evacuate areas within miles of
windfarms. They don’t like the sound of
Yes, we had friends who lived "off the grid", primarily because there
was no Lektrick to their place, and the cost of running it there varied
from the low 5 figgers to high 5 figgers and up. For them, wind and
solar make sense. The cost per KwH is high, but they learn to live
with few KwH.
Wind ain’t no picnic you know. Wildlife promptly evacuate areas within miles of
windfarms. They don’t like the sound of the turbines.
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> On Apr 29, 2019, at 3:52 PM, OK Don via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> Bergey Windpower is located on the airport in Norman, OK - used to see
>
Floyd and Curley violently agree
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> On Apr 29, 2019, at 4:17 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> Yes, absolutely. I have always been for no gummit intervention in the free
> market. No incentives/subsidies/tax breaks for wind, solar, coal, NG, CNG,
>
Yes, absolutely. I have always been for no gummit intervention in the
free market. No incentives/subsidies/tax breaks for wind, solar, coal,
NG, CNG, propane, petroleum, etc. That said, things like the REA for
bringing lektrick or internet to areas where no private company can
justify
Bergey Windpower is located on the airport in Norman, OK - used to see
their test and experimental models all the time when we lived near there.
Back then, most of their sales were to developing regions, not the US.
On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 12:56 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
Would you agree to get rid of fossil fuel subsidies as well?
On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 2:18 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> Did not read, does it list for comparison the various takings from the
> taxpayers to make it "cheap?" The utility aspect is pure politics,
Did not read, does it list for comparison the various takings from the
taxpayers to make it "cheap?" The utility aspect is pure politics, who
is in the pocket of the utilities to allow them to make the most money.
Whether or not wind power is viable should come down to what it costs to
I think all of us take advantage of tax breaks - it's the American way!
On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 2:02 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> In other words: T'ain't practical unless you rob other people at gun
> point to pay for it.
>
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
In other words: T'ain't practical unless you rob other people at gun
point to pay for it.
Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote on 4/29/19 12:56 PM:
Curt et al - fyi
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