Re: [MBZ] OT: Edgar Allen Poe
Well she sat still for the whole thing but I don't think she got too much out of it at 3.5 years old. However whenever I got to 'Quoth the raven' and stopped she enjoyed doing the 'Nevermore'. So she did get something out of it. Will look for The Bells and see what she thinks of that one. Manfred Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 20:25:57 -0600 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Edgar Allen Poe The rhythm of the reading captivates the younger ones -- a special voice for the raven, etc. Go for it! The Bells is another good one for bed time. On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 10:00 AM, MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com wrote: There you are. It's all your fault. Was planing to do the same thing last night with my granddaughter but got sidetracked. Tonight for sure though she may be a bit too young to get it all. Still can't hurt. Manfred ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Edgar Allen Poe
Tyler wrote: It sounds terribly dull (not to mention arrogant) to join a club of people who are together only because of a high score on an IQ test. Gerry wrote: IMHO most people join Mensa for two reasons: 1. To see if they can. 2. Out of curiosity. They stay if they find some of its varied activities interesting and/or fulfilling. Arrogance is seldom a characteristic of Mensans. Insecurity is a more common trait. Dullness, like beauty, seems to be in the eye of the beholder. There are many Special Interest Groups which are popular: http://www.us.mensa.org/AM/Template.cfm?Section=SIG_ListTemplate=/customsource/SIGs-p.cfm T: I think this is entirely bogus, since intelligence is such a fleeting concept that is virtually impossible to define, not alone measure. G: Many Mensans would agree with you, as would those (usually psychologists) who study intelligence. The first intelligence tests were created (over 100 years ago) for the purpose of identifying those persons who should be put in an institution for the feeble minded. Then, during WW-1, the army found it useful for identifying those who could be trained as effective soldiers; especially artillerymen who had to calculate trajectories. Currently IQ tests can quite accurately predict a persons likelyhood of being successful in college. Mensans often define intelligence as the ability to pass IQ tests. T: The most common use of the word intelligent seems to occur when someone who considers themselves intelligent refers to another person who thinks similar to themselves. A third person, whose ideas are so advanced as to be unintelligible to the first two, would probably be labeled stupid by them. G: Not among most Mensans, which incidentally seems to be the reason those with highly advanced (and seemingly unintelligible) ideas find happiness and fulfillment in Mensa. In spite of their high intelligence (and often poor social skills) they are accepted as ordinary members of Mensa, which is more of a social group than anything else. Note: I'm also a member of Densa, the society of the unintelligent; as are a number of other Mensans. You may have noticed that both high and low intelligence can exist together in the same person, depending on which abilities you are measuring (such as fixing Mercedes; where I would probably be ranked as a Densan. (o:] ) T: I've taken several IQ tests, and sometimes answered all of the questions correct, placing me in the highest percentile the tests were designed to measure. It's very easy for me to solve short abstract logic problems even if they're fairly complicated, yet I have a short attention span making it difficult for me to, say understand and solve a complicated physics problem that takes days or weeks. Other people I know can do such things very easily, even if they would get a lower IQ score. G: Short attention span is one symptom of ADD (Attention Deficit Disorder). It's often correctible by taking the same drugs that are given to person with full blown ADD or ADHD (Attention Deficit Hyperactive Disorder). A surprising number of Mensans have been diagnosed with ADD. I know a number of Mensans who had the same problem as yours; almost word for word and corrected it by taking the drugs. I've often wondered if there is some sort of connection between ADD and high intelligence. T: Many of the people I would consider most intelligent have minds that work in such an unusual way, it's highly unlikely that an IQ test would demonstrate their unique mental abilities accurately. *G: Basic IQ tests, such as the Wechsler-Belleview, aren't designed to measure unique mental abilities. They supposedly measure a persons intelligence broadly. Some researchers in the field of intelligence think that there is no such thing as general intelligence; that testing should be broken down into special types of intelligence which would even include the kind of intelligence that makes athletic excellence possible. T: Most intelligent thought (in my opinion) comes from thinking differently and creatively to come up with ideas and solutions that would probably not have been discovered by the type of thought that allows for rapid and accurate solving of IQ test problems. G: If you offer the same problem to a person with high intelligence and a person with low intelligence, which of the two will be most likely to come up with the best solution? General IQ tests are designed to rank people according to their likelyhood of being able to solve problems in general. A person good at solving a wide range of problems is supposedly more likely to be able to solve specific problems. General IQ tests do this quite well in predicting academic success. T: I've come to the conclusion that areas of intelligence among people are very diverse, and IQ measures a narrow, almost meaningless aspect of it. Tyler *G: This is in accordance with the contentions of the researchers
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Archer arche...@embarqmail.com said: Randy wrote: So, inquiring minds want to know . . . did they label you a dork after you gave up on MB and bought the Cadillac? Neither the 1990 Mercedes (300D or 300SEL) nor the Cadillac did/does anything to dispel the dorkiness. I think two of my vehicles (1983 300D and 1991 Vanagon GL) pretty much scream dork, the Nissan 4x4 not so much. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Tyler wrote: I've come to the conclusion that areas of intelligence among people are very diverse, and IQ measures a narrow, almost meaningless aspect of it. I agree with that, in general. Intelligence is VERY broad - some folks are musically gifted, but can't think through a complicated word problem, some people are very logical thinkers, but have trouble with philosophical/abstract ideas. I don't agree that IQ is meaningless, but I do agree that it is a very narrow measure of intelligence. Also, the best tests are adapted for the test takers age. Donald H. Snook -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090120/250e9e1d/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Archer wrote: Tyler wrote: It sounds terribly dull (not to mention arrogant) to join a club of people who are together only because of a high score on an IQ test. I agree with everything Gerry wrote I have yet to see any member that looks down on anyone else, and nobody really takes themselves seriously. The reason it isn't dull, is because people bring up and discuss some of the crazy off the wall ideas you mention, and even more crazy off the wall ideas result. It makes things *very* interesting! Sure, there are going to be arrogant jerks, and there are probably a disproportional amount in Mensa, but overall the group isn't a bunch of egotistical bastards. On a side note, I went to a magnet high school (Google MSMS), and the difference in quality of discussion was amazing. My high school for 9th and 10th grade was pretty good, but the people weren't interested having deep/intense conversations of any kind. At MSMS, you could talk about anything! Being a geek or dork was acceptable, and the difference in conversations was simply amazing. I imagine going there helped me get scholarships, etc., but it was worth it for the people alone. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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There you are. It's all your fault. Was planing to do the same thing last night with my granddaughter but got sidetracked. Tonight for sure though she may be a bit too young to get it all. Still can't hurt. Manfred Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 14:55:11 -0600 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Edgar Allen Poe I used to read The Raven my kids at bed-time, till my wife made me stop it. They seemed to like it, never had nightmares from it (that I know about). One of them is writing her dissertation for a PhD in English though - On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote: Archer wrote: Be careful where you recite The Raven, Donald. Especially if there are football players around. -- OK Don W124 Diesels Ubuntu 8.10 KD5NRO ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Tonight for sure though she may be a bit too young to get it all. Still can't hurt. And if your own reading voice isn't good at it, you could always try the Simpsons' version. (Hint: Bart's the Raven.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Archer, I'll take a look! It sounds like my pre-conceived notions were false (as usual). Tyler Archer wrote: P.S. You sound like someone who might find Mensa membership useful and entertaining. Look over the list of Special Interest Groups and see if there aren't some that might interest you. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Archer, I'll take a look! It sounds like my pre-conceived notions were false (as usual). Tyler Archer wrote: P.S. You sound like someone who might find Mensa membership useful and entertaining. Look over the list of Special Interest Groups and see if there aren't some that might interest you. ___ Sounds good. If you decide to join, check in with me offline: arche...@embarqmail.com or with John Robbins: je...@msstate.edu if you have any questions or problems. John joined not too long ago and is more up-to-date on the procedure than I am. Good luck, Gerry -- next part -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.10/1904 - Release Date: 1/20/2009 7:49 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The rhythm of the reading captivates the younger ones -- a special voice for the raven, etc. Go for it! The Bells is another good one for bed time. On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 10:00 AM, MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com wrote: There you are. It's all your fault. Was planing to do the same thing last night with my granddaughter but got sidetracked. Tonight for sure though she may be a bit too young to get it all. Still can't hurt. Manfred -- OK Don W124 Diesels Ubuntu 8.10 KD5NRO ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The Alan Parsons Project, Tales of Mystery and Imagination or http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=91 --R Donald Snook wrote: This is not Mercedes related, but we have some very literate folks on here, so I thought I would share. Today is Edgar Allen Poe's 200th Birthday. One of his most famous works is also what gave him his big break. So, here the text of The Raven (this is really best experienced outloud by someone who understands the rhythm of the poem. The Raven Once upon a midnight dreary, while I pondered, weak and weary, Over many a quaint and curious volume of forgotten lore, While I nodded, nearly napping, suddenly there came a tapping, As of someone gently rapping, rapping at my chamber door. Tis some visitor, I muttered, tapping at my chamber door; Only this, and nothing more. Ah, distinctly I remember, it was in the bleak December, And each separate dying ember wrought its ghost upon the floor. Eagerly I wished the morrow; vainly I had sought to borrow From my books surcease of sorrow, sorrow for the lost Lenore, For the rare and radiant maiden whom the angels name Lenore, Nameless here for evermore. And the silken sad uncertain rustling of each purple curtain Thrilled me - filled me with fantastic terrors never felt before; So that now, to still the beating of my heart, I stood repeating, 'Tis some visitor entreating entrance at my chamber door, Some late visitor entreating entrance at my chamber door. This is it, and nothing more. Presently my soul grew stronger; hesitating then no longer, Sir, said I, or madam, truly your forgiveness I implore; But the fact is, I was napping, and so gently you came rapping, And so faintly you came tapping, tapping at my chamber door, That I scarce was sure I heard you. Here I opened wide the door; Darkness there, and nothing more. Deep into the darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, Doubting, dreaming dreams no mortals ever dared to dream before; But the silence was unbroken, and the stillness gave no token, And the only word there spoken was the whispered word, Lenore?, This I whispered, and an echo murmured back the word, Lenore! Merely this, and nothing more. Back into the chamber turning, all my soul within me burning, Soon again I heard a tapping, something louder than before, Surely, said I, surely, that is something at my window lattice. Let me see, then, what thereat is, and this mystery explore. Let my heart be still a moment, and this mystery explore. 'Tis the wind, and nothing more. Open here I flung the shutter, when, with many a flirt and flutter, In there stepped a stately raven, of the saintly days of yore. Not the least obeisance made he; not a minute stopped or stayed he; But with mien of lord or lady, perched above my chamber door. Perched upon a bust of Pallas, just above my chamber door, Perched, and sat, and nothing more. Then this ebony bird beguiling my sad fancy into smiling, By the grave and stern decorum of the countenance it wore, Though thy crest be shorn and shaven thou, I said, art sure no craven, Ghastly, grim, and ancient raven, wandering from the nightly shore. Tell me what the lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore. Quoth the raven, Nevermore. Much I marveled this ungainly fowl to hear discourse so plainly, Though its answer little meaning, little relevancy bore; For we cannot help agreeing that no living human being Ever yet was blessed with seeing bird above his chamber door, Bird or beast upon the sculptured bust above his chamber door, With such name as Nevermore. But the raven, sitting lonely on that placid bust, spoke only That one word, as if his soul in that one word he did outpour. Nothing further then he uttered; not a feather then he fluttered; Till I scarcely more than muttered, Other friends have flown before; On the morrow he will leave me, as my hopes have flown before. Then the bird said, Nevermore. Startled at the stillness broken by reply so aptly spoken, Doubtless, said I, what it utters is its only stock and store, Caught from some unhappy master, whom unmerciful disaster Followed fast and followed faster, till his songs one burden bore,- Till the dirges of his hope that melancholy burden bore Of Never-nevermore. But the raven still beguiling all my fancy into smiling, Straight I wheeled a cushioned seat in front of bird and bust and door; Then, upon the velvet sinking, I betook myself to linking Fancy unto fancy, thinking what this ominous bird of yore, What this grim, ungainly, ghastly, gaunt, and ominous bird of yore Meant in croaking, Nevermore. Thus I sat engaged in guessing, but no syllable expressing To the fowl, whose fiery eyes now burned into my bosom's core; This and more I sat divining, with my head at ease reclining On the cushion's velvet lining that the lamplight gloated o'er, But whose velvet violet lining with the lamplight gloating o'er She shall press, ah, nevermore! Then, methought, the air grew denser, perfumed from an unseen
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There are some very intelligent folks on this list too. Two that I know of are members of Mensa. http://us.mensa.org/AM/Template.cfm?Section=Join Being a member of several Mensa lists as well as this list, I've been surprised at how similar the off-topic discussions are and how difficult it would be to separate those written by Mensans from those written by members of this list. In fact, some OT submissions on this list are far more astute than those about the same topics on the Mensa lists. Anyone who thinks they would like to take the tests or simply mail in their transcripts which contain high scores in tests given in high school can click on the link above which would give you some idea of whether or not your existing test scores would be sufficient. Mensa has about 50,000 US members and even more in other countries. There is even a jobs registry that's been recently started since so many people are being layed off. Many businesses give Mensans first shot at a job. Good luck, Gerry '83 300D and 240D P.S. I memorized and recited The Raven in high school english class in a small farming town in Indiana during WW-2. After class, two football players said if I ever made them sit through anything as boring as that again they would beat the s--t out of me. I think it did raise my grade since the teacher was a big fan of Poe. Be careful where you recite The Raven, Donald. Especially if there are football players around. (o:] - From: Donald Snook This is not Mercedes related, but we have some very literate folks on here, so I thought I would share. Today is Edgar Allen Poe's 200th Birthday. One of his most famous works is also what gave him his big break. So, here the text of The Raven (this is really best experienced outloud by someone who understands the rhythm of the poem. The Raven Once upon a midnight dreary, while I pondered, weak and weary, Over many a quaint and curious volume of forgotten lore, While I nodded, nearly napping, suddenly there came a tapping, As of someone gently rapping, rapping at my chamber door. Tis some visitor, I muttered, tapping at my chamber door; Only this, and nothing more...snip -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090119/250077c7/attachment.html -- next part -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.9/1902 - Release Date: 1/19/2009 9:37 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Edgar Allen Poe
Two people I've known have been Mensa members (and admitted it). One drives a truck cross country and has no hobbies or family, the other is a chess master and a diagnosed schizophrenic who has trouble keeping on his meds. That's a club I have no desire to join - not that they would have me. I rather enjoy being 'dumb' enough to enjoy my life. -Dave Walton On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: There are some very intelligent folks on this list too. Two that I know of are members of Mensa. http://us.mensa.org/AM/Template.cfm?Section=Join Being a member of several Mensa lists as well as this list, I've been surprised at how similar the off-topic discussions are and how difficult it would be to separate those written by Mensans from those written by members of this list. In fact, some OT submissions on this list are far more astute than those about the same topics on the Mensa lists. Anyone who thinks they would like to take the tests or simply mail in their transcripts which contain high scores in tests given in high school can click on the link above which would give you some idea of whether or not your existing test scores would be sufficient. Mensa has about 50,000 US members and even more in other countries. There is even a jobs registry that's been recently started since so many people are being layed off. Many businesses give Mensans first shot at a job. Good luck, Gerry '83 300D and 240D P.S. I memorized and recited The Raven in high school english class in a small farming town in Indiana during WW-2. After class, two football players said if I ever made them sit through anything as boring as that again they would beat the s--t out of me. I think it did raise my grade since the teacher was a big fan of Poe. Be careful where you recite The Raven, Donald. Especially if there are football players around. (o:] - From: Donald Snook This is not Mercedes related, but we have some very literate folks on here, so I thought I would share. Today is Edgar Allen Poe's 200th Birthday. One of his most famous works is also what gave him his big break. So, here the text of The Raven (this is really best experienced outloud by someone who understands the rhythm of the poem. The Raven Once upon a midnight dreary, while I pondered, weak and weary, Over many a quaint and curious volume of forgotten lore, While I nodded, nearly napping, suddenly there came a tapping, As of someone gently rapping, rapping at my chamber door. Tis some visitor, I muttered, tapping at my chamber door; Only this, and nothing more...snip -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090119/250077c7/attachment.html -- next part -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.9/1902 - Release Date: 1/19/2009 9:37 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Archer wrote: Be careful where you recite The Raven, Donald. Especially if there are football players around. Well, I was a football player in school (and a member of Mensa). But, I do agree Edgar Allan Poe does not mix that well with most Football players. I had to do a similar presentation in Speech and Debate Class in high school. I did Martin Luther King's I have a Dream Speech (sort of ironic considering that today is the celebration). I had forgotten about that until your story reminded me. Most of those high school speeches were boring to everyone except the teacher. I did do a demonstration speech that was very popular with the students, but less well-received by the teacher. My demonstration speech was how to cut-up and cook a chicken. I bought a whole chicken and then cut it up into pieces. I had a poster of a very scantily clad woman in a very small bikini that I used to compare the parts of the chicken to the parts of the woman on the poster. It went something like this, Using the knife to carve the meat off the breastbone, you can remove the whole breast. Here is the chicken breast and here is the corresponding part on our human model. I didn't get very far into the speech when the teacher told me that was enough. She gave me a B on the speech, but scolded me for the poster. I told her she had required a visual aid and I thought the poster would capture the attention of the students. Donald H. Snook -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090119/3024b651/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I used to read The Raven my kids at bed-time, till my wife made me stop it. They seemed to like it, never had nightmares from it (that I know about). One of them is writing her dissertation for a PhD in English though - On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote: Archer wrote: Be careful where you recite The Raven, Donald. Especially if there are football players around. -- OK Don W124 Diesels Ubuntu 8.10 KD5NRO ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Archer wrote: Be careful where you recite The Raven, Donald. Especially if there are football players around. Well, I was a football player in school (and a member of Mensa). But, I do agree Edgar Allan Poe does not mix that well with most Football players. I had to do a similar presentation in Speech and Debate Class in high school. I did Martin Luther King's I have a Dream Speech (sort of ironic considering that today is the celebration). I had forgotten about that until your story reminded me. Most of those high school speeches were boring to everyone except the teacher. I did do a demonstration speech that was very popular with the students, but less well-received by the teacher. My demonstration speech was how to cut-up and cook a chicken. I bought a whole chicken and then cut it up into pieces. I had a poster of a very scantily clad woman in a very small bikini that I used to compare the parts of the chicken to the parts of the woman on the poster. It went something like this, Using the knife to carve the meat off the breastbone, you can remove the whole breast. Here is the chicken breast and here is the corresponding part on our human model. I didn't get very far into the speech when the teacher told me that was enough. She gave me a B on the speech, but scolded me for the poster. I told her she had required a visual aid and I thought the poster would capture the attention of the students. Donald H. Snook - ROFLMAO!!! My son was a football player in high school and college (Sewanee), and he could join Mensa if he wanted to; but his attitude is more like the players who objected to The Raven. Have one grandson who would have done your chicken demonstration if he had known about it. Too bad about your being a back-slidin' Mensan. How could we persuade you to re-enlist? (grin) Gerry -- next part -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.9/1902 - Release Date: 1/19/2009 9:37 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Gerry wrote: ROFLMAO!!! My son was a football player in high school and college (Sewanee), and he could join Mensa if he wanted to; but his attitude is more like the players who objected to The Raven. Have one grandson who would have done your chicken demonstration if he had known about it. Too bad about your being a back-slidin' Mensan. How could we persuade you to re-enlist? I have to deal with several attorneys here at the firm who are mensa members (at least they claim to be) and I am lost most of the time they are speaking. I have never attended a meeting and the only reason I joined was because the principal at the gifted school I attended submitted the applications of all the students who met the threshold (which I think was, or is, top 1% on the IQ tests). I have not done anything to renew my membership, so I suspect I am a backslidin' member as you called it. My friends already think I am a dork, so that would unfortunately solidify their opinion if I were to start talking about Mensa meetings. Maybe I could re-join and not bring it up. Plus, the mensa members would probably look down on a member who was a lawyer instead of a physicist or a professor of an obscure speciality. Just kidding! Donald H. Snook -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090119/1cd500bf/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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dave walton wrote: That's a club I have no desire to join - not that they would have me. I looked into Mensa membership once. IIRC, they wanted something like a 650 GMAT (out of 800) to join. I've applied to grad schools that wouldn't even consider your application with that score. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Edgar Allen Poe
-Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Donald Snook Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 3:53 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Edgar Allen Poe Gerry wrote: ROFLMAO!!! My son was a football player in high school and college (Sewanee), and he could join Mensa if he wanted to; but his attitude is more like the players who objected to The Raven. Have one grandson who would have done your chicken demonstration if he had known about it. Too bad about your being a back-slidin' Mensan. How could we persuade you to re-enlist? I have to deal with several attorneys here at the firm who are mensa members (at least they claim to be) and I am lost most of the time they are speaking. I have never attended a meeting and the only reason I joined was because the principal at the gifted school I attended submitted the applications of all the students who met the threshold (which I think was, or is, top 1% on the IQ tests). I have not done anything to renew my membership, so I suspect I am a backslidin' member as you called it. My friends already think I am a dork, so that would unfortunately solidify their opinion if I were to start talking about Mensa meetings. Maybe I could re-join and not bring it up. Plus, the mensa members would probably look down on a member who was a lawyer instead of a physicist or a professor of an obscure speciality. Just kidding! Donald H. Snook -- next part -- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Edgar Allen Poe
So, inquiring minds want to know . . . did they label you a dork after you gave up on MB and bought the Cadillac? Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Donald Snook Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 3:53 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Edgar Allen Poe Gerry wrote: ROFLMAO!!! My son was a football player in high school and college (Sewanee), and he could join Mensa if he wanted to; but his attitude is more like the players who objected to The Raven. Have one grandson who would have done your chicken demonstration if he had known about it. Too bad about your being a back-slidin' Mensan. How could we persuade you to re-enlist? I have to deal with several attorneys here at the firm who are mensa members (at least they claim to be) and I am lost most of the time they are speaking. I have never attended a meeting and the only reason I joined was because the principal at the gifted school I attended submitted the applications of all the students who met the threshold (which I think was, or is, top 1% on the IQ tests). I have not done anything to renew my membership, so I suspect I am a backslidin' member as you called it. My friends already think I am a dork, so that would unfortunately solidify their opinion if I were to start talking about Mensa meetings. Maybe I could re-join and not bring it up. Plus, the mensa members would probably look down on a member who was a lawyer instead of a physicist or a professor of an obscure speciality. Just kidding! Donald H. Snook -- next part -- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Edgar Allen Poe
From: Mitch Haley I looked into Mensa membership once. IIRC, they wanted something like a 650 GMAT (out of 800) to join. I've applied to grad schools that wouldn't even consider your application with that score. Mitch. ___ Scoring has changed: From FAQs: Why do you take the top 5 percent on the GMAT? This is because the sample - those taking the GMAT - is not a normally distributed sample. (They have probably completed three to four years of college.) The scores are adjusted to reflect this. http://www.us.mensa.org/Content/AML/NavigationMenu/Join/SubmitTestScores /TestScoresFAQ/TestScoresFAQ.htm#Why_do_you_take_the_top_5_percent_on_the_GMAT_ Gerry -- next part -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.10/1903 - Release Date: 1/19/2009 8:52 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Edgar Allen Poe
From: Donald Snook Gerry wrote: ROFLMAO!!! My son was a football player in high school and college (Sewanee), and he could join Mensa if he wanted to; but his attitude is more like the players who objected to The Raven. Have one grandson who would have done your chicken demonstration if he had known about it. Too bad about your being a back-slidin' Mensan. How could we persuade you to re-enlist? (Donald:) I have to deal with several attorneys here at the firm who are mensa members (at least they claim to be) and I am lost most of the time they are speaking. I have never attended a meeting and the only reason I joined was because the principal at the gifted school I attended submitted the applications of all the students who met the threshold (which I think was, or is, top 1% on the IQ tests). I have not done anything to renew my membership, so I suspect I am a backslidin' member as you called it. My friends already think I am a dork, so that would unfortunately solidify their opinion if I were to start talking about Mensa meetings. Maybe I could re-join and not bring it up. (Gerry:) That might be wise. I've met a number of lawyers during my 25 years as a member. Many of them are specialists such as corporate patent attorneys, but many are in general practice as well. A lot of networking goes on among members of the same professions. (Donald:) Plus, the mensa members would probably look down on a member who was a lawyer instead of a physicist or a professor of an obscure speciality. Just kidding! Donald H. Snook G: One thing I've noticed about Mensans is that they almost never look down on another member (or anyone else), and it's very common that they don't even know what kind of degrees you have or what you do for a living. When I was working in Atlanta, several members were under the impression that I was an MD rather than a humble lab tech. When they found out otherwise, their attitude didn't change a bit. Members who are sociable and egalitarian seem to be the most popular, and when they go to meetings or Mensa social events, they leave their degrees and jobs behind; they're just members there; ready for a good time. Note: That's the top 2% on the tests. When Mensa was first established in Britain after WW-2 the top 1% was the requirement, but membership lagged because there just weren't enough people qualified to join. Soon they lowered it to 2% which it has been since then. Mensa isn't exactly an exclusive club since about 6 million Americans are eligible to join. Anyway, welcome aboard if you decide to rejoin. One of the current advantages of belonging to Mensa (especially for old crippled up dorks like me) are the dozens of official and unofficial Mensa internet lists; some of which are hilarious and some of which are very interesting otherwise. Gerry -- next part -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.10/1903 - Release Date: 1/19/2009 8:52 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Edgar Allen Poe
Gerry, I hadn't realized how far the GMAT scores had been inflated since I took the test. Before 1995, a 95%ile GMAT score was in the mid 600's. Now it appears to be about 710. Fifteen years ago, 710 was a 99%ile score, and in the fall of '93 I got a 790, or 99.9 %ile. At that time, the top tier accounting PhD programs would not accept anything below about 700. I should call Illinois and Texas and ask them what scores they accept now. I bet they'd need to be in the 740-760 range to maintain the standards they had in the early 1990's. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Edgar Allen Poe
Randy wrote: So, inquiring minds want to know . . . did they label you a dork after you gave up on MB and bought the Cadillac? Neither the 1990 Mercedes (300D or 300SEL) nor the Cadillac did/does anything to dispel the dorkiness. Donald H. Snook -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090119/0fefe3f8/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Edgar Allen Poe
Randy wrote: So, inquiring minds want to know . . . did they label you a dork after you gave up on MB and bought the Cadillac? Neither the 1990 Mercedes (300D or 300SEL) nor the Cadillac did/does anything to dispel the dorkiness. Donald H. Snook - We don't consider each other dorks for driving old Mercedes, but quite a few traditional people do; or at least that's been my experience. Gerry -- next part -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.10/1903 - Release Date: 1/19/2009 8:52 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Edgar Allen Poe
Mitch Haley wrote: I looked into Mensa membership once. IIRC, they wanted something like a 650 GMAT (out of 800) to join. I've applied to grad schools that wouldn't even consider your application with that score. Gerry's link also provides insight into the reason for only needing 5% instead of 2%, but being in the 95th percentile is a score of about 720 or so... Not 650. http://www.gmatcat.com/Percentiles.html http://www.testmasters.net/gmat/Information/scale.aspx John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Edgar Allen Poe
Archer wrote: G: One thing I've noticed about Mensans is that they almost never look down on another member (or anyone else), and it's very common that they don't even know what kind of degrees you have or what you do for a living. When I was working in Atlanta, several members were under the impression that I was an MD rather than a humble lab tech. When they found out otherwise, their attitude didn't change a bit. Members who are sociable and egalitarian seem to be the most popular, and when they go to meetings or Mensa social events, they leave their degrees and jobs behind; they're just members there; ready for a good time. x2! You'd be very surprised at the member composition I've seen so far! Nobody seems to care one way or the other... It's quite refreshing. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Edgar Allen Poe
It sounds terribly dull (not to mention arrogant) to join a club of people whom are together only because of a high score on an IQ test. I think this is entirely bogus, since intelligence is such a fleeting concept that is virtually impossible to define, not alone measure. The most common use of the word intelligent seems to occur when someone whom considers themselves intelligent refers to another person who thinks similar to themselves. A third person, whose ideas are so advanced as to be unintelligible to the first two, would probably be labeled stupid by them. I've taken several IQ tests, and sometimes answered all of the questions correct, placing me in the highest percentile the tests were designed to measure. It's very easy for me to solve short abstract logic problems even if they're fairly complicated, yet I have a short attention span making it difficult for me to, say understand and solve a complicated physics problem that takes days or weeks. Other people I know can do such things very easily, even if they would get a lower IQ score. Many of the people I would consider most intelligent have minds that work in such an unusual way, it's highly unlikely that an IQ test would demonstrate their unique mental abilities accurately. Most intelligent thought (in my opinion) comes from thinking differently and creatively to come up with ideas and solutions that would probably not have been discovered by the type of thought that allows for rapid and accurate solving of IQ test problems. I've come to the conclusion that areas of intelligence among people are very diverse, and IQ measures a narrow, almost meaningless aspect of it. Tyler On Jan 19, 2009, at 10:13 AM, Archer wrote: In fact, some OT submissions on this list are far more astute than those about the same topics on the Mensa lists. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
