Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI

2015-07-26 Thread David Bruckmann via Mercedes
On Jul 25, 2015, Curt Raymond wrote:
 Fuzzy logic computing on a
 manual transmission?

Whoops. I missed that bit!
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI

2015-07-26 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Thats whats so vexing about the whole problem, theres so little on the 
transaxle that is likely to fail...
-Curt
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 Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 11:54 AM
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On Jul 25, 2015, Curt Raymond wrote:
Fuzzy logic computing on a

manual transmission?


Whoops. I missed that bit!

   
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI

2015-07-25 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes


 On July 25, 2015 at 9:25 AM Peter Frederick via Mercedes
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 
 Broken  shifter cable, leaving tranny in two gears at once?

I was thinking more along the lines of something internal, like shift interlock
or shift fork. 
I don't know details on Curt's car, but it's not usually possible to engage two
gears at once
by manipulation of the external linkages on a functional manny tranny, is it?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI

2015-07-25 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

  On July 25, 2015 at 9:25 AM Peter Frederick via Mercedes

 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


 Broken  shifter cable, leaving tranny in two gears at once?


I was thinking more along the lines of something internal, like 
shift interlock

or shift fork.
I don't know details on Curt's car, but it's not usually possible to 
engage two

gears at once
by manipulation of the external linkages on a functional manny tranny, is it?

Mitch.


Yes,  a manual trans can be in 2 gears at once and lock up the trans 
that way.  I had a 66 frod bronco 3 spd.  The column shift linkage 
was very crummy; thin pot metal.  It would often  not get out of 1st 
when it went into second if you shifted normally.  To keep it from 
jamming, you had to run the shift lever in 3 distinct movements: up 
toward R, forward across the H; then up into 2nd.  I replaced the 
junk factory shifter with a cheap floor shift from JCWhitney.  It was 
some better, but you still could lock up the trans if you tried to 
shift fast.


A couple months after I sold it, I heard the kid that bought it had 
blown up the transmission.   The kid was a spoiled brat, and he 
tried to hotrod and got the transmission in 2 gears. The family owned 
the local scrap yard, so at under 60,000 miles, it was cut up for 
scrap.  This was a very rare one year only U-110 Bronco with factory 
soft top, door inserts and soft doors.


I've had this happen in 110s too, particularly when the ball socket 
breaks off on one linkage.


However since Curt's symptoms are one way, and not both forward and 
back, I don't think it is the trans in 2 gears at once.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI

2015-07-25 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I sure hope so. It'd be great if it was something easy.
-Curt

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Broken  shifter cable, leaving tranny in two gears at once?

Peter



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI

2015-07-25 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
Actually, it is, which is why the shifter mechanism has some set up  
that prevents leaving one fork engaged while moving to another.  If  
one of the three cables is broken, it will stay in whatever gear  
selected with that cable AND engage another one, causing it to lock  
up.  Constant mesh except for the reverse idler, the shifter just  
engages dog clutches to select which gears transmit power, the others  
just free-wheel.


Could just as easily be a broken shifter fork, too, doing exactly the  
same thing.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI

2015-07-25 Thread David Bruckmann via Mercedes
I assume you looked on tdiclub.com for this? You are almost certain to find 
this condition and its resolution described there. 

From what I remember, the fuzzy logic computing on these transmissions can 
fail and lead to what you're describing. 

 On Jul 25, 2015, Curt Raymond wrote: 
 
 When its stuck its stuck in all gears. Then it magically gets unstuck until 
 its stuck again...
 
 Curt
 

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI

2015-07-25 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Yeah I've been on TDI club since I got my Jetta 2 years ago. So far everybody 
over there is perplexed. I'd asked before with no idea what was wrong. Today I 
posed with the specific problems, thus far no replies to that one.
Fuzzy logic computing on a manual transmission?
-Curt
  From: David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca
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Cc: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com 
 Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 7:49 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI
   
I assume you looked on tdiclub.com for this? You are almost certain to find 
this condition and its resolution described there. 

From what I remember, the fuzzy logic computing on these transmissions can 
fail and lead to what you're describing. 

 On Jul 25, 2015, Curt Raymond wrote: 
 
 When its stuck its stuck in all gears. Then it magically gets unstuck until 
 its stuck again...
 
 Curt
 

   
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI

2015-07-25 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
When its stuck its stuck in all gears. Then it magically gets unstuck until its 
stuck again...

Curt

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI

2015-07-25 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
 Curt wrote:
 
 When its stuck its stuck in all gears. Then it magically
 gets unstuck until its stuck again...

Does it become stuck while moving?

Let's say reverse is not clearly disengaging.  Then if it
should drift and engage while any forward gear is selected,
the transmission will be locked.  But shift into reverse and
it will be fine.

This in ONLY valid if it gets stuck when stopped.  If it is
moving forward and _while_moving_ it becomes stuck then I
don't think the problem can be two gears engaged.

Could be failing output shaft bearings that sometimes jamb.
Reverse makes it rotate the other direction and I could see
it turning okay that way.

Does making it move in reveres un-stick it so it will move
forward?

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI

2015-07-25 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
My Jetta is close to 270,000, 300,000 is not uncommon, there are many over 
400,000.


-Curt

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From:Max Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com
Date:Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 11:16 PM
Subject:Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI

Should last at least a few more years?
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300


On July 24, 2015 9:11:50 PM EDT, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
I don't think so, 150,000 miles give or take a bit.
-Curt

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mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 8:33 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI
  
Sounds like a money pit. Mileage?

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI

2015-07-25 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes

Broken  shifter cable, leaving tranny in two gears at once?

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI

2015-07-24 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Sounds like a money pit.  Mileage?
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On July 24, 2015 6:11:45 PM EDT, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
Oh what have I gotten myself into this time?
Fred, Buster and I went down to CT today and picked up a 2005 Golf TDI.
It looks pretty good although both front fenders have what looks like
parking lot damage. The interior is good, no real rust underneath,
engine starts good and sounds good. The weird thing is after I'd backed
it up about 5 feet the transmission seemed to lock right up. Strangely
with it out of gear it rolls fine... We farted around with it a few
minutes. I even had Tom drive it, he couldn't seem to believe it, the
look on his face was priceless. He'd moved the car around recently and
it was fine.So we rolled it up onto the trailer (dragged it up the hill
with my old '84 190D that I then donated to Tom's program for kids) and
interestingly when we unloaded it it drove okay. It protested and made
sounds like a locked up CV joint but it went.
It did act kind of like a locked up CV joint but since the differential
didn't make the other wheel spin maybe its 2 locked up CVs? That seems
unlikely.
Anyway we dragged it to my VW Guru who will have a look at it next
week. I got it for about triple the standard Kaleb price at which point
I think even if the car is junk I'll still come out okay...
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI

2015-07-24 Thread Bob Rentfro via Mercedes
Manual or auto?  If an auto, check the fancy flywheel.

Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI

2015-07-24 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I don't think so, 150,000 miles give or take a bit.
-Curt

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Sounds like a money pit. Mileage?
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300



On July 24, 2015 6:11:45 PM EDT, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
Oh what have I gotten myself into this time?
Fred, Buster and I went down to CT today and picked up a 2005 Golf TDI. It 
looks pretty good although both front fenders have what looks like parking lot 
damage. The interior is good, no real rust underneath, engine starts good and 
sounds good. The weird thing is after I'd backed it up about 5 feet the 
transmission seemed to lock right up. Strangely with it out of gear it rolls 
fine... We farted around with it a few minutes. I even had Tom drive it, he 
couldn't seem to believe it, the look on his face was priceless. He'd moved the 
car around recently and it was fine.So we rolled it up onto the trailer 
(dragged it up the hill with my old '84 190D that I then donated to Tom's 
program for kids) and interestingly when we unloaded it it drove okay. It 
protested and made sounds like a locked up CV joint but it went.
It did act kind of like a locked up CV joint but since the differential didn't 
make the other wheel
spin maybe its 2 locked up CVs? That seems unlikely.
Anyway we dragged it to my VW Guru who will have a look at it next week. I got 
it for about triple the standard Kaleb price at which point I think even if the 
car is junk I'll still come out okay...
-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI

2015-07-24 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Manual, its still got the fancy flywheel.
VW Guru and I discussed the possibility of the DMF (dual mass flywheel) being 
the problem but can't see how it would lock up the transmission. The clutch 
still works, it just won't turn the wheels.
-Curt

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Manual or auto?  If an auto, check the fancy flywheel.Bob R

  
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI

2015-07-24 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
But can it do this:

http://jalopnik.com/watch-a-volkswagen-diesel-totally-dominate-a-ferrari-at-1719359271

Dan rollin’ coal


 On Jul 24, 2015, at 8:33 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 Sounds like a money pit.  Mileage?
 -- 
 Max Dillon
 Charleston SC
 '87 300TD
 '95 E300
 
 On July 24, 2015 6:11:45 PM EDT, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 Oh what have I gotten myself into this time?
 Fred, Buster and I went down to CT today and picked up a 2005 Golf TDI.
 It looks pretty good although both front fenders have what looks like
 parking lot damage. The interior is good, no real rust underneath,
 engine starts good and sounds good. The weird thing is after I'd backed
 it up about 5 feet the transmission seemed to lock right up. Strangely
 with it out of gear it rolls fine... We farted around with it a few
 minutes. I even had Tom drive it, he couldn't seem to believe it, the
 look on his face was priceless. He'd moved the car around recently and
 it was fine.So we rolled it up onto the trailer (dragged it up the hill
 with my old '84 190D that I then donated to Tom's program for kids) and
 interestingly when we unloaded it it drove okay. It protested and made
 sounds like a locked up CV joint but it went.
 It did act kind of like a locked up CV joint but since the differential
 didn't make the other wheel spin maybe its 2 locked up CVs? That seems
 unlikely.
 Anyway we dragged it to my VW Guru who will have a look at it next
 week. I got it for about triple the standard Kaleb price at which point
 I think even if the car is junk I'll still come out okay...
 -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI

2015-07-24 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Should last at least a few more years?
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On July 24, 2015 9:11:50 PM EDT, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
I don't think so, 150,000 miles give or take a bit.
-Curt

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mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 8:33 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI
   
Sounds like a money pit. Mileage?


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