Re: [MBZ] OT: STOP robocalls

2015-07-27 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes


 On July 27, 2015 at 3:50 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 
 What amazes me is that there are at least half a dozen different
 indivisuals who recently had my phone number.  How long does Verizon wait
 before reassigning recently abandoned listings?

I'm not sure what constitutes 'recent' any more, but I still get more calls for
the previous owners of
a number I've had for over two years than I get for myself (well, these days I
pretty much get zero calls
for me on that line because I've mostly abandoned it). Most of the calls are
from bill collectors on presumably
old debt, and one guy keeps persistently calling to sell them something for
their home business, but I also get
automated calls whenever they schedule a Dish Network field tech visit to their
house or they fail to pay their Dish bill,
so either they're still giving out the number or they haven't changed it with
Dish. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: STOP robocalls

2015-07-27 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes


 On July 27, 2015 at 3:52 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 wrote:
 
 
 So you won't feel at all upset when you don't check the voicemail for a couple
 hours and then find out mamma was in a car accident?

If I ignore a call from an unknown number, and a new VM pops up a minute or two
later, I listen to my messages then.

Mitch. 

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Re: [MBZ] OT: STOP robocalls

2015-07-27 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Dunno, haven't looked into it that closely. I believe it's tied back to the 
national Do Not Call registry as well as the vendor's own list of accumulated 
robocaller numbers.

I just know it's far from foolproof despite it being presented as such. I think 
our VOIP guys tested it for fun earlier this year and found it to be meh.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

 On Jul 27, 2015, at 3:16 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 So how do you get calls from people you've never talked to before? What if 
 your wife calls from somewhere else because her cell phone has died?
 -Curt
  From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com 
 Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 2:54 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: STOP robocalls
 
 I don't think this was spam, necessarily, as it was someone's email account 
 that got hijacked and was used to send out the spam. Pretty coo on on Yahoo 
 and some of the other bulk mail providers.
 
 The nomorobo thing is legit, although it's not perfect. If your caller's 
 service provider doesn't send the number in the proper ANI (10 digit) format, 
 it won't respond and the call gets a busy or intercept signal.
 
 I just don't answer calls on my land line or mobile that I don't recognize. 
 It's that simple.
 
 Dan
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Jul 27, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 W140 wrote:
 
 Free service blocks pesky robocalls*
 
 Spam - on how to stop spam.
 
 Ironic
 
 The spammers are masterful at sending spam on how to stop spam. Similarly I 
 suspect a lot of viruses are spread by the antivirus companies.  One reason 
 I never fully trusted kaspersky.  Russian virus propagators selling 
 anti-virus, or legitimate Ruskies? Oxymoron?
 
 anti-virus people blackmailing gullible users  THe list goes on.
 
 How about stockbrokers turned financial advisors scamming people out of 
 millions?
 
 How about IRS taking money at gunpoint and using the power/money to favor 
 certain parties/candidates?
 
 Its all the same.  Theft/extortion/blackmail.  It used to be limited to the 
 gangsters.  Now the politicians are fully involved too; as are seeming 
 legitimate businesses.  Microsoft forcing you to upgrade and buy new 
 hardware?  Or forcing you to rent software forever?  That used to be 
 extortion or blackmail.  Now it is normalThe goobers and coppers that 
 are supposed to intervene and stop the extortion are busy trying to figure 
 out how to extort more money with traffic cameras and other unconstitutional 
 means.
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: STOP robocalls

2015-07-27 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
I love roboclals left on my answering machine.  They are so easy to delete.

On an unrelated topic, since moving to the new home I have been barraged
with voicemails (usually in Spanish, but not always) for a variety of
people.  For example, a soccer Dad leaving detailed instructions to another
soccer Dad on carpooling their little darlings.  Also, several for an
anesthesiologist, the last one which made an offer to hire him as a
consultant for $45,000/month (!).  I was tempted to inhabit the guy's
character and obtain a one month advance (cash preferred)..

What amazes me is that there are at least half a dozen different
indivisuals who recently had my phone number.  How long does Verizon wait
before reassigning recently abandoned listings?

Andrew


On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 3:16 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 So how do you get calls from people you've never talked to before? What if
 your wife calls from somewhere else because her cell phone has died?
 -Curt
   From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
  To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com
  Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 2:54 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: STOP robocalls

 I don't think this was spam, necessarily, as it was someone's email
 account that got hijacked and was used to send out the spam. Pretty coo on
 on Yahoo and some of the other bulk mail providers.

 The nomorobo thing is legit, although it's not perfect. If your caller's
 service provider doesn't send the number in the proper ANI (10 digit)
 format, it won't respond and the call gets a busy or intercept signal.

 I just don't answer calls on my land line or mobile that I don't
 recognize. It's that simple.

 Dan

 Sent from my iPad

 On Jul 27, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

   W140 wrote:
 
  Free service blocks pesky robocalls*
 
  Spam - on how to stop spam.
 
  Ironic
 
  The spammers are masterful at sending spam on how to stop spam.
 Similarly I suspect a lot of viruses are spread by the antivirus
 companies.  One reason I never fully trusted kaspersky.  Russian virus
 propagators selling anti-virus, or legitimate Ruskies? Oxymoron?
 
  anti-virus people blackmailing gullible users  THe list goes on.
 
  How about stockbrokers turned financial advisors scamming people out
 of millions?
 
  How about IRS taking money at gunpoint and using the power/money to
 favor certain parties/candidates?
 
  Its all the same.  Theft/extortion/blackmail.  It used to be limited to
 the gangsters.  Now the politicians are fully involved too; as are seeming
 legitimate businesses.  Microsoft forcing you to upgrade and buy new
 hardware?  Or forcing you to rent software forever?  That used to be
 extortion or blackmail.  Now it is normalThe goobers and coppers that
 are supposed to intervene and stop the extortion are busy trying to figure
 out how to extort more money with traffic cameras and other
 unconstitutional means.
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: STOP robocalls

2015-07-27 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
If it's important, they'll leave a voice mail and you can call them back. 
If it's not important enough for them to leave a message, you didn't miss out on
much. 

Mitch. 

 On July 27, 2015 at 3:16 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 wrote:
 
 
 So how do you get calls from people you've never talked to before? What if
 your wife calls from somewhere else because her cell phone has died?
 -Curt
   From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 
 I just don't answer calls on my land line or mobile that I don't recognize.
 It's that simple.
 
 Dan

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Re: [MBZ] OT: STOP robocalls

2015-07-27 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
So you won't feel at all upset when you don't check the voicemail for a couple 
hours and then find out mamma was in a car accident?
Are you okay with people dumping your calls to voicemail? Who leaves voicemail 
anymore?
Actually Angie and I got into an argument about that last one, I call, she 
doesn't answer, I hang up. She should know I called. She never calls back but 
gets upset because I didn't leave a voicemail. YOU KNEW I CALLED! All I'd have 
left on the voicemail was Hi, its me, call me back.Apparently young people 
are leading the charge to abandon voicemail...

-Curt

  From: Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Mitch Haley mi...@mitchellhaley.com 
 Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 3:46 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: STOP robocalls
   
If it's important, they'll leave a voice mail and you can call them back. 
If it's not important enough for them to leave a message, you didn't miss out on
much. 

Mitch. 

 On July 27, 2015 at 3:16 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 wrote:
 
 
 So how do you get calls from people you've never talked to before? What if
 your wife calls from somewhere else because her cell phone has died?
 -Curt
      From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 
 I just don't answer calls on my land line or mobile that I don't recognize.
 It's that simple.
 
 Dan

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Re: [MBZ] OT: STOP robocalls

2015-07-27 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Becuase they have a near-monopoly (oligopoly?).

On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 5:08 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 So I have been on a chat with ATT for the last 1:20 trying to get them to
 enable me to link my dad's acct to my acct, I set his up like 15 yr ago and
 forgot the login.  2 different guys, the recent one wants to know the
 state, I say KY and he asks what that is.  Now I am getting transferred to
 another person:
 Aaren G: Your inquiry requires contact with a specialist who handles
 accounts in your area. Allow me a moment to connect you to a representative
 who will be able to assist you.

 How do these people stay in business?

 --R


 On 7/27/15 4:00 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:


  On July 27, 2015 at 3:52 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com
 wrote:


 So you won't feel at all upset when you don't check the voicemail for a
 couple
 hours and then find out mamma was in a car accident?

 If I ignore a call from an unknown number, and a new VM pops up a minute
 or two
 later, I listen to my messages then.

 Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: STOP robocalls

2015-07-27 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
So I have been on a chat with ATT for the last 1:20 trying to get them 
to enable me to link my dad's acct to my acct, I set his up like 15 yr 
ago and forgot the login.  2 different guys, the recent one wants to 
know the state, I say KY and he asks what that is.  Now I am getting 
transferred to another person:
Aaren G: Your inquiry requires contact with a specialist who handles 
accounts in your area. Allow me a moment to connect you to a 
representative who will be able to assist you.


How do these people stay in business?

--R


On 7/27/15 4:00 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:



On July 27, 2015 at 3:52 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:


So you won't feel at all upset when you don't check the voicemail for a couple
hours and then find out mamma was in a car accident?

If I ignore a call from an unknown number, and a new VM pops up a minute or two
later, I listen to my messages then.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: STOP robocalls

2015-07-27 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
So I have been on a chat with ATT for the last 1:20 trying to get 
them to enable me to link my dad's acct to my acct, I set his up 
like 15 yr ago and forgot the login.  2 different guys, the recent 
one wants to know the state, I say KY and he asks what that is.  Now 
I am getting transferred to another person:
Aaren G: Your inquiry requires contact with a specialist who handles 
accounts in your area. Allow me a moment to connect you to a 
representative who will be able to assist you.


How do these people stay in business?

--R


Its like trying to find intelligent life forms at Banco de mehico  (B 
of A) or wells cargo.   Ain't happenin...


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Re: [MBZ] OT: STOP robocalls

2015-07-27 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
So I finally got into the acct once they told me the login name, which I 
had forgotten.  Looking at the bill I see 2 companies charging a total 
of $26/month, one of them a domestic LD provider that seems to charge 
5cents/min but then $14/mo for the privilege, and another is an 
INTERNATIONAL long distance provider that charges like $12/mo for 
something unclear, there have never been any intl LD calls from the 
line.  I got Stella the 3rd CS rep, to delete the past month's charges 
but I have to call the ripoff companies to try to get reimbursement for 
the past.


--R

On 7/27/15 6:12 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

The prevailing business practice seems to be;
  If you throw enough crap against a wall, some of it will stick.

Don't forget. always demand to be given the direct contact details for the
senior chairman of the board.

Customers can either be satisfied with quality service.. or they can take
satisfaction via any means which satisfies them.. the customer.

You get to choose..

On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 2:55 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


So I have been on a chat with ATT for the last 1:20 trying to get them to

enable me to link my dad's acct to my acct, I set his up like 15 yr ago and
forgot the login.  2 different guys, the recent one wants to know the
state, I say KY and he asks what that is.  Now I am getting transferred to
another person:
Aaren G: Your inquiry requires contact with a specialist who handles
accounts in your area. Allow me a moment to connect you to a representative
who will be able to assist you.

How do these people stay in business?

--R


Its like trying to find intelligent life forms at Banco de mehico  (B of
A) or wells cargo.   Ain't happenin...

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Re: [MBZ] OT: STOP robocalls

2015-07-27 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
The prevailing business practice seems to be;
 If you throw enough crap against a wall, some of it will stick.

Don't forget. always demand to be given the direct contact details for the
senior chairman of the board.

Customers can either be satisfied with quality service.. or they can take
satisfaction via any means which satisfies them.. the customer.

You get to choose..

On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 2:55 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 So I have been on a chat with ATT for the last 1:20 trying to get them to
 enable me to link my dad's acct to my acct, I set his up like 15 yr ago and
 forgot the login.  2 different guys, the recent one wants to know the
 state, I say KY and he asks what that is.  Now I am getting transferred to
 another person:
 Aaren G: Your inquiry requires contact with a specialist who handles
 accounts in your area. Allow me a moment to connect you to a representative
 who will be able to assist you.

 How do these people stay in business?

 --R


 Its like trying to find intelligent life forms at Banco de mehico  (B of
 A) or wells cargo.   Ain't happenin...

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Re: [MBZ] OT: STOP robocalls

2015-07-27 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
That's nuthin, try clawing back over $1200 in international long distance.
I was cold-called by an ATT sales weasel and foolishly agreed to an
international plan, but instead of getting the 5¢ per minute plan he talked
about, I end up with a plan that charged roughly $1 per minute. Didn't pay
attention to November and December's bills, which were debited directly
from my checking, January rolls around and I finally take a look at the
finances and H!#!?

I immediately called ATT and thanks to God the lady was American. She was
able to fix the January bill, but I would have to deal with managers about
December and November.

My next call was to my bank, once again I was blessed to speak to a native,
this lady educated me on the exact phrasing of the spoken and written words
to communicate to ATT to cancel the debit.  That was key.  Bank then
reversed the December debit for me, once they had a copy of my
communication with ATT as well as statement from me that I did not agree
to the terms of the international plan that they charged.  ATT would have
to send me a paper bill, and I would thenceforth pay by my choice of means.

ATT kept sending me bills for December, I only paid the current balance,
and once per week or more I'd call to speak with a manager about it, and
dutifully recorded their name and date and what they said they would do.
After a couple months  I finally got rather upset at a manager with whom
I'd spoken several times who promised to refer the matter to suchsuch
department but nothing ever came of it.  The next month I get a notice
from their collections department.  I immediately called the collections
number, dumped the whole story all over the collections lady, let her know
the names and dates and promises from all the managers, and pointed out
that I've been a loyal ATT customer for over 14 years and that they had
made a huge profit on my account during that time.  I said I was a very
satisfied customer up until this issue, and intended to keep ATT, but if
this matter was not resolved then I would have to find another service
provider.  She puts me on hold for about ten minutes and when she returns,
December debt is erased, November is corrected as well, and the next month
I had a credit of about $200.

I've still got ATT, but I look VERY CLOSELY at those bills now.

-Max


On July 27, 2015 6:27:18 PM EDT, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 So I finally got into the acct once they told me the login name, which I
 had forgotten.  Looking at the bill I see 2 companies charging a total
 of $26/month, one of them a domestic LD provider that seems to charge
 5cents/min but then $14/mo for the privilege, and another is an
 INTERNATIONAL long distance provider that charges like $12/mo for
 something unclear, there have never been any intl LD calls from the
 line.  I got Stella the 3rd CS rep, to delete the past month's charges
 but I have to call the ripoff companies to try to get reimbursement for
 the past.

 --R



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