Re: [MBZ] OT - I-5 State of Washington bridge - gone
Ah, went right by me. Thanks for the correction. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: I think Clay's point may have been that engineer mistake = accident and everything else is negligence. On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 7:58 PM, Max meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Or by simple lack of maintenance and postponed repairs. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Dieselhead wrote: Accidents are caused by enginerrors. (generally with no practical experience with materials, machining, service and repair.) Or by cheating contractors building below spec. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - I-5 State of Washington bridge - gone
Max's fantasy: put on the tool belt, and a concealed camera with microphone, and use the proceeds to force the change. Get local press involved, twist the union official's tails, whistle-blower protection, national labor board equivalent, whole deal. Probably never work again as a union electrician, but principles would be intact. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: I think we have a similar system here. Our government is socialist NDP. So, the major projects are all union jobs that cost a fortune, last for years and are generally not very well done. My son has a friend who is now a journeyman electrician earning $40 per hour in his first year as a licenced electrician. He has been working mostly big jobs. His co-workers have threatened him if they see him wearing a tool belt. The question to him was why he would want to work himself out of a job? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - I-5 State of Washington bridge - gone
Max wrote: Max's fantasy: put on the tool belt, and a concealed camera with microphone, and use the proceeds to force the change. Get local press involved, twist the union official's tails, whistle-blower protection, national labor board equivalent, whole deal. Probably never work again as a union electrician, but principles would be intact. -- You are losing sight on the reality. It really cannot be fixed, you cannot force change. It is corporatism run amok and only corporate can fix it. See Chris Hedges youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r72qm2FE2Y0 I can't defeat his seemingly solid premise - very sad. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - I-5 State of Washington bridge - gone
I think we have a similar system here. Our government is socialist NDP. So, the major projects are all union jobs that cost a fortune, last for years and are generally not very well done. My son has a friend who is now a journeyman electrician earning $40 per hour in his first year as a licenced electrician. He has been working mostly big jobs. His co-workers have threatened him if they see him wearing a tool belt. The question to him was why he would want to work himself out of a job? Apparently it is not only acceptable but required that they not have ready access to tools so he carries a screw driver and if he needs another tool, has to go back to some other location to get the other tool. Where are the supervisors on these jobs? Just stupid to train a young ambitious fellow to do as little as possible. Randy On 26/05/2013 3:16 AM, clay wrote: In washington we are not allowed to use money on infrastructure. It is only possible to use for socialist agendas or to engage in utterly incompetent engineering that results in massive screw ups to require excessive de-fornicating and huge burn rates to remedy clay On May 24, 2013, at 5:22 PM, Allan Streib wrote: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com writes: Use google maps to see this bridge accident from earlier today at Skagit River. The bridge is already gone at google maps. Interesting... Remember how all the stimulus money was supposed to go to shovel ready jobs to fix our crumbling bridges? Who is surprised that didn't happen? -- Allan Streib ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - I-5 State of Washington bridge - gone
On 26/05/2013 7:51 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Dieselhead wrote: Accidents are caused by enginerrors. (generally with no practical experience with materials, machining, service and repair.) Or by cheating contractors building below spec. Mitch. ___ Ah, but are the engineers not tasked with checking to ensure that the job is done to spec? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - I-5 State of Washington bridge - gone
The supervisors are off milking the job hiding somewhere. Mike On May 27, 2013 11:59 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: I think we have a similar system here. Our government is socialist NDP. So, the major projects are all union jobs that cost a fortune, last for years and are generally not very well done. My son has a friend who is now a journeyman electrician earning $40 per hour in his first year as a licenced electrician. He has been working mostly big jobs. His co-workers have threatened him if they see him wearing a tool belt. The question to him was why he would want to work himself out of a job? Apparently it is not only acceptable but required that they not have ready access to tools so he carries a screw driver and if he needs another tool, has to go back to some other location to get the other tool. Where are the supervisors on these jobs? Just stupid to train a young ambitious fellow to do as little as possible. Randy On 26/05/2013 3:16 AM, clay wrote: In washington we are not allowed to use money on infrastructure. It is only possible to use for socialist agendas or to engage in utterly incompetent engineering that results in massive screw ups to require excessive de-fornicating and huge burn rates to remedy clay On May 24, 2013, at 5:22 PM, Allan Streib wrote: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com writes: Use google maps to see this bridge accident from earlier today at Skagit River. The bridge is already gone at google maps. Interesting... Remember how all the stimulus money was supposed to go to shovel ready jobs to fix our crumbling bridges? Who is surprised that didn't happen? -- Allan Streib __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - I-5 State of Washington bridge - gone
Read up on Boston's Big Dig --R On 5/27/13 12:06 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 26/05/2013 7:51 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Dieselhead wrote: Accidents are caused by enginerrors. (generally with no practical experience with materials, machining, service and repair.) Or by cheating contractors building below spec. Mitch. ___ Ah, but are the engineers not tasked with checking to ensure that the job is done to spec? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - I-5 State of Washington bridge - gone
Is that when they made those huge tunnels? Been through them..kinda scary. Mike On May 27, 2013 1:46 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Read up on Boston's Big Dig --R On 5/27/13 12:06 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 26/05/2013 7:51 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Dieselhead wrote: Accidents are caused by enginerrors. (generally with no practical experience with materials, machining, service and repair.) Or by cheating contractors building below spec. Mitch. __**_ Ah, but are the engineers not tasked with checking to ensure that the job is done to spec? Randy __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - I-5 State of Washington bridge - gone
Then it should come out of the DoD budget. On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.comwrote: Is that when they made those huge tunnels? Been through them..kinda scary. Mike On May 27, 2013 1:46 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Read up on Boston's Big Dig --R On 5/27/13 12:06 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 26/05/2013 7:51 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Dieselhead wrote: Accidents are caused by enginerrors. (generally with no practical experience with materials, machining, service and repair.) Or by cheating contractors building below spec. Mitch. __**_ Ah, but are the engineers not tasked with checking to ensure that the job is done to spec? Randy __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - I-5 State of Washington bridge - gone
On Mon, 27 May 2013 18:33:44 -0600 Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Then it should come out of the DoD budget. Then WHAT should come out of the Department of Defense budget? Craig On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.comwrote: Is that when they made those huge tunnels? Been through them..kinda scary. Mike On May 27, 2013 1:46 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Read up on Boston's Big Dig --R On 5/27/13 12:06 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 26/05/2013 7:51 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Dieselhead wrote: Accidents are caused by enginerrors. (generally with no practical experience with materials, machining, service and repair.) Or by cheating contractors building below spec. Mitch. __**_ Ah, but are the engineers not tasked with checking to ensure that the job is done to spec? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - I-5 State of Washington bridge - gone
Apparently it is not only acceptable but required that they not have ready access to tools so he carries a screw driver and if he needs another tool, has to go back to some other location to get the other tool. Where are the supervisors on these jobs? Just stupid to train a young ambitious fellow to do as little as possible. Randy That is the socialist system many so dearly love. Legalized theft by the gummit for the gummit and of the gummit. Radically different from: government of the people, by the people, for the people. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - I-5 State of Washington bridge - gone
We are having a new floating bridge built to replace the 50 year old one that is over burdened. To help pay for it, tolls have been instituted. Old bridge is still there. It used to be a clogged artery all day long. With the toll, you can zip across with minimal traffic. Sadly, the tolling was based on the previous usage, so having 30% of the traffic it used to allow sort of defeated the tolling as revenue idea. Engineers forgot to think through how to cast concrete floatation sections, and supervisors were lacking oversight attempts. They did specify that it be as inexpensive as could be, but never bothered to see the effects of this money saving desire. Many of the things that got cast turn out to be shite, with micro fractures that will grow to tragic failures. The ones that have been floated out to the construction area are about as useful as a screen door on a submarine. No amount of shoe goo is keeping them dry inside. Poor engineering has resulted in $100 million remedy situation. Only found three scape goats to fire. clay On May 27, 2013, at 10:38 AM, Michael Canfield wrote: The supervisors are off milking the job hiding somewhere. Mike On May 27, 2013 11:59 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: I think we have a similar system here. Our government is socialist NDP. So, the major projects are all union jobs that cost a fortune, last for years and are generally not very well done. My son has a friend who is now a journeyman electrician earning $40 per hour in his first year as a licenced electrician. He has been working mostly big jobs. His co-workers have threatened him if they see him wearing a tool belt. The question to him was why he would want to work himself out of a job? Apparently it is not only acceptable but required that they not have ready access to tools so he carries a screw driver and if he needs another tool, has to go back to some other location to get the other tool. Where are the supervisors on these jobs? Just stupid to train a young ambitious fellow to do as little as possible. Randy On 26/05/2013 3:16 AM, clay wrote: In washington we are not allowed to use money on infrastructure. It is only possible to use for socialist agendas or to engage in utterly incompetent engineering that results in massive screw ups to require excessive de-fornicating and huge burn rates to remedy clay On May 24, 2013, at 5:22 PM, Allan Streib wrote: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com writes: Use google maps to see this bridge accident from earlier today at Skagit River. The bridge is already gone at google maps. Interesting... Remember how all the stimulus money was supposed to go to shovel ready jobs to fix our crumbling bridges? Who is surprised that didn't happen? -- Allan Streib __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - I-5 State of Washington bridge - gone
In washington we are not allowed to use money on infrastructure. It is only possible to use for socialist agendas or to engage in utterly incompetent engineering that results in massive screw ups to require excessive de-fornicating and huge burn rates to remedy clay On May 24, 2013, at 5:22 PM, Allan Streib wrote: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com writes: Use google maps to see this bridge accident from earlier today at Skagit River. The bridge is already gone at google maps. Interesting... Remember how all the stimulus money was supposed to go to shovel ready jobs to fix our crumbling bridges? Who is surprised that didn't happen? -- Allan Streib ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - I-5 State of Washington bridge - gone
Repairing the people's infrastructure with your tax dollars is as socialistic a concept as they come. The right wing (conservative) approach would privatize the bridge and have the capitalist owner fund maintenance exenses through tolls collected from users of the bridge. On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 4:16 AM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: In washington we are not allowed to use money on infrastructure. It is only possible to use for socialist agendas or to engage in utterly incompetent engineering that results in massive screw ups to require excessive de-fornicating and huge burn rates to remedy clay On May 24, 2013, at 5:22 PM, Allan Streib wrote: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com writes: Use google maps to see this bridge accident from earlier today at Skagit River. The bridge is already gone at google maps. Interesting... Remember how all the stimulus money was supposed to go to shovel ready jobs to fix our crumbling bridges? Who is surprised that didn't happen? -- Allan Streib ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - I-5 State of Washington bridge - gone
You would think, but the folks out here allow the Goobermint to put toll on its own roads that they have underfunded and mis-engineered. Then you get to pay thrice the initial cost. Or it gets bogged down in design and review committee for decades until there is not money left in the till to build it. See - Galloping Gertie, Hood Canal Bridge, I-90 floating bridge. The socialist agenda wants more cash spent on publishing goobermint papers in 40 tongues of the illegal migrant, or to feed and house the miscreant youth of the illegals, crack babies, liberal arts graduates, organic pharma and agribusiness. Build a park instead of making the neighborhood safer, then have to hire armed patrols to wander the place once the number of assaults explodes in the park, along with illicit drug and sexual activities taking place in front of the children clay On May 26, 2013, at 10:00 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Repairing the people's infrastructure with your tax dollars is as socialistic a concept as they come. The right wing (conservative) approach would privatize the bridge and have the capitalist owner fund maintenance exenses through tolls collected from users of the bridge. On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 4:16 AM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: In washington we are not allowed to use money on infrastructure. It is only possible to use for socialist agendas or to engage in utterly incompetent engineering that results in massive screw ups to require excessive de-fornicating and huge burn rates to remedy clay On May 24, 2013, at 5:22 PM, Allan Streib wrote: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com writes: Use google maps to see this bridge accident from earlier today at Skagit River. The bridge is already gone at google maps. Interesting... Remember how all the stimulus money was supposed to go to shovel ready jobs to fix our crumbling bridges? Who is surprised that didn't happen? -- Allan Streib ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - I-5 State of Washington bridge - gone
The Hood Canal Bridge is an unfortunate accident (as was Galloping Gertie). Would you have not built the bridge in the first place and let people take US 101 around? That seems like the best option to me. Hard to justify that kind of expense for the Olympic Peninsula which is low in population and opportunity even with the bridge. On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 2:41 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: You would think, but the folks out here allow the Goobermint to put toll on its own roads that they have underfunded and mis-engineered. Then you get to pay thrice the initial cost. Or it gets bogged down in design and review committee for decades until there is not money left in the till to build it. See - Galloping Gertie, Hood Canal Bridge, I-90 floating bridge. The socialist agenda wants more cash spent on publishing goobermint papers in 40 tongues of the illegal migrant, or to feed and house the miscreant youth of the illegals, crack babies, liberal arts graduates, organic pharma and agribusiness. Build a park instead of making the neighborhood safer, then have to hire armed patrols to wander the place once the number of assaults explodes in the park, along with illicit drug and sexual activities taking place in front of the children clay On May 26, 2013, at 10:00 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Repairing the people's infrastructure with your tax dollars is as socialistic a concept as they come. The right wing (conservative) approach would privatize the bridge and have the capitalist owner fund maintenance exenses through tolls collected from users of the bridge. On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 4:16 AM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: In washington we are not allowed to use money on infrastructure. It is only possible to use for socialist agendas or to engage in utterly incompetent engineering that results in massive screw ups to require excessive de-fornicating and huge burn rates to remedy clay On May 24, 2013, at 5:22 PM, Allan Streib wrote: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com writes: Use google maps to see this bridge accident from earlier today at Skagit River. The bridge is already gone at google maps. Interesting... Remember how all the stimulus money was supposed to go to shovel ready jobs to fix our crumbling bridges? Who is surprised that didn't happen? -- Allan Streib ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - I-5 State of Washington bridge - gone
The Hood Canal Bridge is an unfortunate accident (as was Galloping Gertie). Would you have not built the bridge in the first place and let people take US 101 around? That seems like the best option to me. Hard to justify that kind of expense for the Olympic Peninsula which is low in population and opportunity even with the bridge. Good engineering has no place for accidents Accidents are caused by enginerrors. (generally with no practical experience with materials, machining, service and repair.) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - I-5 State of Washington bridge - gone
The beauty of natural selection is that such problems eventually correct themselves, not necessarily without disaster, bloodshed, or war. Scott -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of clay Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 4:17 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - I-5 State of Washington bridge - gone In washington we are not allowed to use money on infrastructure. It is only possible to use for socialist agendas or to engage in utterly incompetent engineering that results in massive screw ups to require excessive de-fornicating and huge burn rates to remedy clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - I-5 State of Washington bridge - gone
Dieselhead wrote: Accidents are caused by enginerrors. (generally with no practical experience with materials, machining, service and repair.) Or by cheating contractors building below spec. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - I-5 State of Washington bridge - gone
Or by simple lack of maintenance and postponed repairs. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Dieselhead wrote: Accidents are caused by enginerrors. (generally with no practical experience with materials, machining, service and repair.) Or by cheating contractors building below spec. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - I-5 State of Washington bridge - gone
I think Clay's point may have been that engineer mistake = accident and everything else is negligence. On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 7:58 PM, Max meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Or by simple lack of maintenance and postponed repairs. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Dieselhead wrote: Accidents are caused by enginerrors. (generally with no practical experience with materials, machining, service and repair.) Or by cheating contractors building below spec. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - I-5 State of Washington bridge - gone
All fo the bridge incidents here are unfortunate accidents. Build a massive new bridge and then forget to seal up the holes on the old on so that in a bit of blustery weather the pontoons fill and the floating bridge sinks to the bottom of the lake? There is a reason for the bridge on Hood Canal, and it has little to do with the civilians. The Boomers need a way to sneak into base and having that bridge is a great way to be stealthy. It would be rude to make the poor boys (and now girls) who spent six months under sea have to travel the long way around to get to any sort of civilization clay On May 26, 2013, at 3:47 PM, Brian Toscano wrote: The Hood Canal Bridge is an unfortunate accident (as was Galloping Gertie). Would you have not built the bridge in the first place and let people take US 101 around? That seems like the best option to me. Hard to justify that kind of expense for the Olympic Peninsula which is low in population and opportunity even with the bridge. On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 2:41 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: You would think, but the folks out here allow the Goobermint to put toll on its own roads that they have underfunded and mis-engineered. Then you get to pay thrice the initial cost. Or it gets bogged down in design and review committee for decades until there is not money left in the till to build it. See - Galloping Gertie, Hood Canal Bridge, I-90 floating bridge. The socialist agenda wants more cash spent on publishing goobermint papers in 40 tongues of the illegal migrant, or to feed and house the miscreant youth of the illegals, crack babies, liberal arts graduates, organic pharma and agribusiness. Build a park instead of making the neighborhood safer, then have to hire armed patrols to wander the place once the number of assaults explodes in the park, along with illicit drug and sexual activities taking place in front of the children clay On May 26, 2013, at 10:00 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Repairing the people's infrastructure with your tax dollars is as socialistic a concept as they come. The right wing (conservative) approach would privatize the bridge and have the capitalist owner fund maintenance exenses through tolls collected from users of the bridge. On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 4:16 AM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: In washington we are not allowed to use money on infrastructure. It is only possible to use for socialist agendas or to engage in utterly incompetent engineering that results in massive screw ups to require excessive de-fornicating and huge burn rates to remedy clay On May 24, 2013, at 5:22 PM, Allan Streib wrote: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com writes: Use google maps to see this bridge accident from earlier today at Skagit River. The bridge is already gone at google maps. Interesting... Remember how all the stimulus money was supposed to go to shovel ready jobs to fix our crumbling bridges? Who is surprised that didn't happen? -- Allan Streib ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - I-5 State of Washington bridge - gone
Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com writes: Use google maps to see this bridge accident from earlier today at Skagit River. The bridge is already gone at google maps. Interesting... Remember how all the stimulus money was supposed to go to shovel ready jobs to fix our crumbling bridges? Who is surprised that didn't happen? -- Allan Streib ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
