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If either one wins we will all be paying more taxes. We can't maintain
2 wars, the growth in SS spending, and increased Medicare/Medicaid
costs any other way. That's common
OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Yes - those netting over $250,000 would have their taxes raised from
the current 33% to 36%. That's going stop small businesses?
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you don't pay taxes based on gross, but on net. joe could gross 10 million
and net 50k. it is the latter number that matters.
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 10:36 PM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
At 08:02 PM 10/17/2008, you wrote:
My understanding is that Obama said that less than 2% of
I started to once but feel asleep on page 6, tried again and got to 9.
Anyway it is mostly Utopian non-sense and pretty much unworkable in the
real world.
People need incentive to strive ahead and the promise of a medal on the
chest may work for some.
Hendrik
Wonko the Sane wrote:
I don't
The point was about wealth not education (while the two are often
correlated, the one does not necessarily follow the other, e.g., Bill
Gates). And being educated does not necessarily imply being smart.
If you want to be wealthy (or have a high salary/income), you can work
your way up the
: Re: [MBZ] OT - Joe The Plumber
'Found a complete and unedited, no BS version on youtube - can't get the
sound loud enough and clear enough to understand what he said, so I
STILL
don't know what he REALLY said, including the context. Thnx.
Wilton
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From
which is?
Wonko the Sane wrote:
Actually, I want Marxism to reflect what Marx actually said.
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 10:05 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Wonko the Sane wrote:
Saying you know the Manifesto so know all about Marx is like saying you've
heard Bush speak on tv so
All this talk is pretty much irrelevant anyway. Osama Apollo bamo will
get in there, then discover he is going to have to RAISE taxes in order
to pay back China. Whoever gets in there, our taxes WILL go up.
OK Don wrote:
That net of 10% is AFTER the salaries have been paid, including that
of
Yup - WE are going to pay for Bush's follies.
On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 10:19 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
All this talk is pretty much irrelevant anyway. Osama Apollo bamo will get
in there, then discover he is going to have to RAISE taxes in order to pay
back China. Whoever
this will [?]
be over before too long.
BillR
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'Found a complete and unedited
Of Wilton Strickland
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'Found a complete and unedited, no BS version on youtube - can't get the
sound loud enough and clear enough to understand what he said, so I STILL
don't know what he
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Joe The Plumber
The actual dialogue was played on NPR late this morning - you can no doubt
download the understandable version there, and maybe even a printout [I
have
not looked.] As you might expect, the characterization of Obama's words
are
about as accurate
too long.
BillR
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'Found a complete and unedited, no BS version on youtube - can't get the
sound loud enough and clear enough to understand what he said, so I STILL
don't know
Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Obama isn't a Marxist. I am not sure you even understand what Marx
said (wrote). In this case, Marxism is just a scary word that one can
throw around.
Obama is a Progressive who wants to cut off the tax breaks of the
extremely wealthy (many of whom
...wants to cut off the tax breaks of the extremely
wealthy (many of whom pay little or no taxes because they have a CPA on
staff).
So do I. We just disagree radically on the best way to
ensure that everybody's sharing the load equitably.
To The Galaxy four book trilogy -- and two shelves of
Wrong. The rich folks have little or NOTHING to do with my paycheck. In
fact, most rich folks don't even realize that there are folks like me doing
what I do. In fact, they normally insulate themselves from it.
Look, I have nothing against the rich. I'd like to be there myself, and
considered
HMMM Talk about shooting your own foot.
http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/10/16/the-real-meaning-o
f-joe-the-plumber.aspx
Robert A Morrison
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exactly. Also, Osama bamo says he will cut taxes for what, 98% of
everyone? Correct? I am still waiting for somebody (perhaps wanko) to
explain how that is possible when only about 60% of everyone even pay
taxes in the first place? The math just does not add up.
Allan Streib wrote:
Wonko
Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Wrong. The rich folks have little or NOTHING to do with my paycheck.
Really? Who does, then?
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So how many people do you know who make $6 an hour who have employees
and pay them a wage?
Wonko the Sane wrote:
Wrong. The rich folks have little or NOTHING to do with my paycheck. In
fact, most rich folks don't even realize that there are folks like me doing
what I do. In fact, they normally
Strickland
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Joe The Plumber
'Found a complete and unedited, no BS version on youtube - can't get the
sound loud enough and clear enough to understand what he said, so I STILL
don't know what he
$250k is not extremely wealthy. I know lots of professional working
couples who have worked hard, got some good education, made some
sacrifices along the way, worked up the ladder, and now fall into that
category. They are not extremely wealthy and it is really not that
hard to achieve if
Well I guess those are all the qualifications you need for Presidency of
the US of A.
Hendrik
using his middle name all the time, except for when dealing with the
Government
Loren Faeth wrote:
Not the way Bama ia 'splaining it. He IS talking gross. But he has
no idea that net or gross
Bob Morrison wrote:
Robert A Morrison
223 Buchanan Ave.
Kalamazoo, MI
Hey Bob, are you the chap who bought Chuck's W116 300SD?
Mitch.
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Yes - those netting over $250,000 would have their taxes raised from
the current 33% to 36%. That's going stop small businesses?
Read the details:
http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/taxes/Factsheet_Tax_Plan_FINAL.pdf
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 9:21 PM, Rich Thomas
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$250k is
I have a B.A. and a B.S. degree. How much would you like me to work my way
up the ladder? Are you looking for an MBA or a PhD?
I can think of only a couple of local Obama supporters who are not
university educated professionals.
My own two children, both Obama supporters, have an M.S.
WOW -- welcome aboard.
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 9:42 PM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes - those netting over $250,000 would have their taxes raised from
the current 33% to 36%. That's going stop small businesses?
Read the details:
That we can agree on, at least to be a major party candidate. The
election is not over yet.
At 09:23 PM 10/17/2008, you wrote:
Well I guess those are all the qualifications you need for
Presidency of the US of A.
Hendrik
using his middle name all the time, except for when dealing with the
At 08:02 PM 10/17/2008, you wrote:
My understanding is that Obama said that less than 2% of small
businesses bring in more than 250K.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/web/internet-abuzz-with-joe-the-plumber/2008/10/17/1223750299721.html
As with most things in the media, this is hogwash. Small
Wonko the Sane wrote:
Obama isn't a Marxist. I am not sure you even understand what Marx said
(wrote). In this case, Marxism is just a scary word that one can throw
around.
Loren's going by Obama state and federal senate records. You're going by his
campaign propaganda. My money's on Loren.
I don't think you've read Marx.
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 9:31 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Wonko the Sane wrote:
Obama isn't a Marxist. I am not sure you even understand what Marx said
(wrote). In this case, Marxism is just a scary word that one can throw
around.
Loren's
Wonko the Sane wrote:
I don't think you've read Marx.
Not extensively, but I know the Manifesto.
Mitch.
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Saying you know the Manifesto so know all about Marx is like saying you've
heard Bush speak on tv so know all there is to know about the Constitution.
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 9:58 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Wonko the Sane wrote:
I don't think you've read Marx.
Not
Wonko the Sane wrote:
Saying you know the Manifesto so know all about Marx is like saying you've
heard Bush speak on tv so know all there is to know about the Constitution.
When someone advocates incorporating elements of the Manifesto into government,
I think you will find that most people
Actually, I want Marxism to reflect what Marx actually said.
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 10:05 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Wonko the Sane wrote:
Saying you know the Manifesto so know all about Marx is like saying you've
heard Bush speak on tv so know all there is to know about the
That net of 10% is AFTER the salaries have been paid, including that
of the owner -- the 10% is profit, not salary.
Back to Joe --
UPDATE, Oct. 17: The Wall Street Journal's Jonathan Weisman has more
detail on the company Wurzelbacher hope to buy someday:
The company, A.W. Newell Inc., with
Watch the vid, you can find it on youtube. Basically Joe asked about
the 250k thing and taxes, said he wanted to buy a business and grow it,
would get into that bracket, a few words were spoken on that regarding
those who work and those who don't, then Barry said, we need to spread
the wealth
http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/15/smallbusiness/small_biz_taxes_factcheck.smb/index.htm?cnn=yes
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
Enough of the Party line spin BS. What did Barry REALLY say to Joe The
Plumber and in what context??
Wilton
From
http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/15/smallbusiness/small_biz_taxes_factcheck.smb/index.htm?cnn=yes
Third, even if you're one of the rare business owners making enough money to
be affected by Obama's proposed tax increases, you still won't see a big
hike in your tax bill.* *
McCain's claim that
Wonko the Sane wrote:
From
http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/15/smallbusiness/small_biz_taxes_factcheck.smb/index.htm?cnn=yes
Is this any more reliable than the so-called Factcheck by Washington Post?
Mitch.
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Joe is right!
We already pay outrageous taxes. Anyone who votes for Bama is voting
for high taxes made way higher.
At 01:49 PM 10/16/2008, you wrote:
From
http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/15/smallbusiness/small_biz_taxes_factcheck.smb/index.htm?cnn=yes
Third, even if you're one of the rare
Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Joe is right!
We already pay outrageous taxes. Anyone who votes for Bama is voting
for high taxes made way higher.
Also remember campaign promises are just hot air. Once the guy gets in
office he could easily say oh my, things are worse than we knew,
If either one wins we will all be paying more taxes. We can't maintain
2 wars, the growth in SS spending, and increased Medicare/Medicaid
costs any other way. That's common sense. Get used to it.
-Dave Walton
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Joe is right!
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Watch the vid, you can find it on youtube. Basically Joe asked about
the 250k thing and taxes, said he wanted to buy a business and grow it,
would get into that bracket, a few
Historically, revenues go up following tax cuts. Sounds contradictory
at first but the economic growth more than offsets the lower tax rates.
This has happened time and time again. The treasury is taking in more
money than ever. What we need to do is cut spending.
dave walton [EMAIL
Allan Streib wrote:
Also remember campaign promises are just hot air.
That's why it ticks me off when the media 'fact checkers' think they can deflect
criticism (usually based on a candidate's voting record) with That's not what
it says on the candidate's web page.
The best comment I've
I dont see how ANYONE could vote for that
Rich Thomas wrote:
Watch the vid, you can find it on youtube. Basically Joe asked about
the 250k thing and taxes, said he wanted to buy a business and grow it,
would get into that bracket, a few words were spoken on that regarding
those who work and
yup, wealth redistribution, only barry at least is planning it from the rich
to the poor instead the other way around.
the other thing is the all the slander we hear today about obama are
recycled from clinton and previously recycled from mcgovern. it's a
catechism of the republicans and has
spending is fun. neither side will stop spending. the question is whether
you want the party of giant government or the party of unprecedentedly huge
government. both choices suck, but barry will be cheaper.
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Historically,
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