Re: [MBZ] OT - Joe The Plumber
Dave wrote If either one wins we will all be paying more taxes I fear you're right Dave. Trouble is, we have a Democrat running against a socialist. And McCains recent reversals on some issues are as troubling a obamas claims that are in opposition to his past voting record. I don't like or trust either one but will probably vote for the one that scares me the least - My biggest disappointment is the media's inability to do their job professionally without taking sides. IMO the media should present the facts on all the candidates equally. We should see Bob Barr at the debates and hear about his positions on various issues. Most people don't even know he's running much less who he is. Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts - Original Message - From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Joe The Plumber If either one wins we will all be paying more taxes. We can't maintain 2 wars, the growth in SS spending, and increased Medicare/Medicaid costs any other way. That's common sense. Get used to it. -Dave Walton On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joe is right! We already pay outrageous taxes. Anyone who votes for Bama is voting for high taxes made way higher. At 01:49 PM 10/16/2008, you wrote: From http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/15/smallbusiness/small_biz_taxes_factcheck.smb/index.htm?cnn=yes Third, even if you're one of the rare business owners making enough money to be affected by Obama's proposed tax increases, you still won't see a big hike in your tax bill.* * McCain's claim that Obama will increase taxes on 50% of small business revenue - the line he used in the second presidential debate - is incorrect because of how income is taxed. If a business owner falls into the top bracket, that doesn't mean that all of his or her income is taxed at the highest level. For example: If a small-business owner makes $210,000 in taxable income, he edges into the 33% bracket, one of the two top tax rates that Obama would like to raise. But he would pay the higher tax only on the amount that exceeds the cutoff - in 2007, the two top tax rates applied to single filers with income of $160,850 or more and joint filers with income of at least $195,850. As a single filer, this business owner would see his federal taxes increase $1,475 under Obama's plan, which calls for raising the 33% tax rate to 36%. While Obama does favor raising the top two rates, the quote is not true because not all the small business income of those in the top two rates is taxed at the 33% and 35% rates, said Gerald Prante, a senior economist at the nonpartisan Tax Foundation. The bottom line: McCain's claim only works by using an overly broad definition of what counts as a small business - and even with that definition, fewer than 2% of business owners would be hit by Obama's proposed rate increase. For those who are affected, the increase would be levied only on a part of their earnings, not all of them. On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Enough of the Party line spin BS. What did Barry REALLY say to Joe The Plumber and in what context?? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Joe The Plumber
OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes - those netting over $250,000 would have their taxes raised from the current 33% to 36%. That's going stop small businesses? TANSTAAFL -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Joe The Plumber and tax dodger like certain Dem senators
you don't pay taxes based on gross, but on net. joe could gross 10 million and net 50k. it is the latter number that matters. On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 10:36 PM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: At 08:02 PM 10/17/2008, you wrote: My understanding is that Obama said that less than 2% of small businesses bring in more than 250K. http://www.smh.com.au/news/web/internet-abuzz-with-joe-the-plumber/2008/10/17/1223750299721.html As with most things in the media, this is hogwash. Small business is defined by the Gummit as up to 500 employees. aNY SMALL business that has one employee has to make more than 250 k, or they will be out of business very quickly. If the net is 10% a business grossing 250 will yield only 25k. How many of you want to sign up for a job where you work 89 to 100 hours a week and take home 750 a week? Remember, of that 25k, SS takes 15% off the top. Then you have to pay health insurance, or hope you never get sick or injured. By the way, there are a lot of businesses that net less than 10% of gross. Also remember Bama is talking about gross income fom a business over 250k gets taxed even more. Further, apparently 'Joe the plumper' does not have a license and doesn't like paying taxes With the crowd chanting Joe! Joe! Joe! Palin also referred to Samuel J. Wurzelbacher, the Joe the Plumber repeatedly cited by McCain in Wednesday night's presidential debate as an example of a hardworking American concerned that Obama will raise his taxes. It was revealed Thursday that the Toledo area man, who had challenged Obama last weekend, doesn't have a plumber's license and owes the state back taxes. http://news.bostonherald.com/news/politics/2008/view/2008_10_17_Sarah_Palin_rips_into_ACORN__defends_Joe_the_plumber/srvc=homeposition=5 There are US senators with tax liens. Joe never said he was a licensed plumber, he said he wanted to buy a plumbing business. Again, this is media BS and the only reason the dems and media are trying to take poor Joe apart is because he had the audacity of hope to want to own a plumbing business. His middle name is Joe. Bet there are senators that go by their middle name. You don't have to have a plumbers license to own a plumbing business. And the best managers are generally NOT the technicians. It MIGHT also come as a shock to some people that there are areas of the USA where you don't have to have a freaking license to be a plumber. None of the media morons have ever been to these parts of the country, so they have no idea. Bama has no idea, that is for sure. And why shouldn't someone earning 250K plus pay more taxes than others. If it was taxable income, rather than gross, it might be a point. If we had a fair tax, the more you make the more you pay. Anyone who has a line whateverit is where the next line is the taxes you pay of 250k IS ALREADY paying taxes through the nose! I'd sure as like to get there some day! I don't need the gummit in the way making sure I never can. I have no idea what the tax structure is in OZ, and I frankly don't care. Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Joe The Plumber
I started to once but feel asleep on page 6, tried again and got to 9. Anyway it is mostly Utopian non-sense and pretty much unworkable in the real world. People need incentive to strive ahead and the promise of a medal on the chest may work for some. Hendrik Wonko the Sane wrote: I don't think you've read Marx. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Joe The Plumber
The point was about wealth not education (while the two are often correlated, the one does not necessarily follow the other, e.g., Bill Gates). And being educated does not necessarily imply being smart. If you want to be wealthy (or have a high salary/income), you can work your way up the ladder, education or not (though education often helps that effort). --R Wonko the Sane wrote: I have a B.A. and a B.S. degree. How much would you like me to work my way up the ladder? Are you looking for an MBA or a PhD? I can think of only a couple of local Obama supporters who are not university educated professionals. My own two children, both Obama supporters, have an M.S. Microbiology (George Mason University) and an M.S. Mechanical Engineering (Virginia Tech). THIS is his base. On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 9:21 PM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But the basic issue is Obammie stoking class warfare, pandering to those who have not worked their way up the ladder, and keeping them in an underclass that he can keep pandering to. His base. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Joe The Plumber
you can take marx at bob jones? On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 8:26 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like you, Loren. You are an extremely intelligent individual (in spades). You are a nice guy, even if your idea of a perfect meal is a face first dive into an all-you-can-eat at Hickory Park (which does *not* offer a vegetarian option). That said, I think you are totally incorrect in what you wrote. Even more disappointing to me, what you wrote in your post is well beneath your dignity. Phrases like elitist (corrected your spelling) Marxist prick isn't something I ever thought I'd hear from you. Obama isn't a Marxist. I am not sure you even understand what Marx said (wrote). In this case, Marxism is just a scary word that one can throw around. Obama is a Progressive who wants to cut off the tax breaks of the extremely wealthy (many of whom pay little or no taxes because they have a CPA on staff). When he says spread the wealth I think he means that it is unfair for folks like you and me to pay out the butt on tax day, when the really rich folks can dodge their fair share. Marx was a philosopher and an economist. The half-dozen university classes I took studying him were all coded as PHI4xx. Marx was about class struggle based on economic theory and philosophy, and I don't remember hearing Obama say anything about overthrowing Wall Street types. Come on over to Jefferson this weekend. I will loan you the complete works of Marx. Read it. It is right there on my bookshelf (along with many other good books, including three translations of the Bible, Ironside's commentaries, the complete works of Mark Twain, and the Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy four book trilogy -- and two shelves of my cookbooks). I even think I have some of Hegel's works buried in there (Marx's mentor). On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 5:27 PM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Osama Bama spent today disparaging plumbers, and ordinary Americans in general. He insinuated that no plumber could ever gross 250k a year. It is quite obvious the Bama bum has never worked a day in his life and has no idea what it takes to run a business. This elietist Marxist prick is getting more annoying to listen to than Hillary the screechbox. He in essence said nobody could use THEIR own middle name (Joe) because he, the messiah, has decreed that nobody can use his middle name Hussein. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l46t_nrySg4 The dip in no way encouraged Joe to follow his dream in that exchange. If that were even remotely true, then the Dem operatives would not be out trying to Destroy Joe. At 04:42 PM 10/17/2008, you wrote: The actual dialogue was played on NPR late this morning - you can no doubt download the understandable version there, and maybe even a printout [I have not looked.] As you might expect, the characterization of Obama's words are about as accurate as was the description of 'Joe the Plumber.' It sounded to me as much an encouragement for 'Joe' to try for his dream as anything. I am sure there are Democratic folks as dishonest as what I have heard from Republicans after the debates, but I try to pretty much tune out secondary commentaries on both sides after the debate. I am very happy this will [?] be over before too long. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Wilton Strickland Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 3:46 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Joe The Plumber 'Found a complete and unedited, no BS version on youtube - can't get the sound loud enough and clear enough to understand what he said, so I STILL don't know what he REALLY said, including the context. Thnx. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Joe The Plumber Watch the vid, you can find it on youtube. Basically Joe asked about the 250k thing and taxes, said he wanted to buy a business and grow it, would get into that bracket, a few words were spoken on that regarding those who work and those who don't, then Barry said, we need to spread the wealth around. Wealth redistribution, Marxism pure and simple. --R Wilton Strickland wrote: Enough of the Party line spin BS. What did Barry REALLY say to Joe The Plumber and in what context?? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http
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which is? Wonko the Sane wrote: Actually, I want Marxism to reflect what Marx actually said. On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 10:05 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wonko the Sane wrote: Saying you know the Manifesto so know all about Marx is like saying you've heard Bush speak on tv so know all there is to know about the Constitution. When someone advocates incorporating elements of the Manifesto into government, I think you will find that most people would call him a Marxist. You seem to be saying that you want the term Marxist to mean something that isn't common usage for the word. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1731 - Release Date: 10/17/2008 7:01 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Joe The Plumber and tax dodger like certain Dem senators
All this talk is pretty much irrelevant anyway. Osama Apollo bamo will get in there, then discover he is going to have to RAISE taxes in order to pay back China. Whoever gets in there, our taxes WILL go up. OK Don wrote: That net of 10% is AFTER the salaries have been paid, including that of the owner -- the 10% is profit, not salary. Back to Joe -- UPDATE, Oct. 17: The Wall Street Journal's Jonathan Weisman has more detail on the company Wurzelbacher hope to buy someday: The company, A.W. Newell Inc., with two employees, Al Newell and Mr. Wurzelbacher, reported sales this year of $100,000. On sales of that volume, a firm that size could expect to earn about a 6% profit, or $6,000, after salaries and costs are taken out, according to Lee Smither, managing director of FMI Corp., a Raleigh, N.C., management-consulting firm for construction contractors. The average income of plumbers, pipefitters and steamfitters in 2006 was $48,002, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Earlier, I'd taken Wurzelbacher's claim that A.W. Newell, Inc. makes more than $250,000 a year to mean that sales exceed $250,000. Turns out Wurzelbacher's statement was misleading: $250,000 is the net worth of the company. Sales are only $100,000. Which means that Joe the Small-Business Owner won't rake in anywhere near $100,000; he'll simply net an additional $6,000 (i.e. the company's profits) on top of his old salary of about $40,000. Ultimately, then, Joe the Small-Business Owner would be in the same boat as Joe the Plumber: that is, getting a tax cut of $1,042 from Obama and $319 from McCain. For Wurzelbacher to take home the $200,000-$250,000 required to trigger Obama's proposed tax increases, according to the Journal, a mom-and-pop plumbing company like Newell would have to clear $5 million in annual sales. On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 9:36 PM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 08:02 PM 10/17/2008, you wrote: My understanding is that Obama said that less than 2% of small businesses bring in more than 250K. http://www.smh.com.au/news/web/internet-abuzz-with-joe-the-plumber/2008/10/17/1223750299721.html As with most things in the media, this is hogwash. Small business is defined by the Gummit as up to 500 employees. aNY SMALL business that has one employee has to make more than 250 k, or they will be out of business very quickly. If the net is 10% a business grossing 250 will yield only 25k. How many of you want to sign up for a job where you work 89 to 100 hours a week and take home 750 a week? Remember, of that 25k, SS takes 15% off the top. Then you have to pay health insurance, or hope you never get sick or injured. By the way, there are a lot of businesses that net less than 10% of gross. Also remember Bama is talking about gross income fom a business over 250k gets taxed even more. Further, apparently 'Joe the plumper' does not have a license and doesn't like paying taxes With the crowd chanting Joe! Joe! Joe! Palin also referred to Samuel J. Wurzelbacher, the Joe the Plumber repeatedly cited by McCain in Wednesday night's presidential debate as an example of a hardworking American concerned that Obama will raise his taxes. It was revealed Thursday that the Toledo area man, who had challenged Obama last weekend, doesn't have a plumber's license and owes the state back taxes. http://news.bostonherald.com/news/politics/2008/view/2008_10_17_Sarah_Palin_rips_into_ACORN__defends_Joe_the_plumber/srvc=homeposition=5 There are US senators with tax liens. Joe never said he was a licensed plumber, he said he wanted to buy a plumbing business. Again, this is media BS and the only reason the dems and media are trying to take poor Joe apart is because he had the audacity of hope to want to own a plumbing business. His middle name is Joe. Bet there are senators that go by their middle name. You don't have to have a plumbers license to own a plumbing business. And the best managers are generally NOT the technicians. It MIGHT also come as a shock to some people that there are areas of the USA where you don't have to have a freaking license to be a plumber. None of the media morons have ever been to these parts of the country, so they have no idea. Bama has no idea, that is for sure. And why shouldn't someone earning 250K plus pay more taxes than others. If it was taxable income, rather than gross, it might be a point. If we had a fair tax, the more you make the more you pay. Anyone who has a line whateverit is where the next line is the taxes you pay of 250k IS ALREADY paying taxes through the nose! I'd sure as like to get there some day! I don't need the gummit in the way making sure I never can. I have no idea what the tax structure is in OZ, and I frankly don't care. Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change
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Yup - WE are going to pay for Bush's follies. On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 10:19 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All this talk is pretty much irrelevant anyway. Osama Apollo bamo will get in there, then discover he is going to have to RAISE taxes in order to pay back China. Whoever gets in there, our taxes WILL go up. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Joe The Plumber
The actual dialogue was played on NPR late this morning - you can no doubt download the understandable version there, and maybe even a printout [I have not looked.] As you might expect, the characterization of Obama's words are about as accurate as was the description of 'Joe the Plumber.' It sounded to me as much an encouragement for 'Joe' to try for his dream as anything. I am sure there are Democratic folks as dishonest as what I have heard from Republicans after the debates, but I try to pretty much tune out secondary commentaries on both sides after the debate. I am very happy this will [?] be over before too long. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wilton Strickland Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 3:46 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Joe The Plumber 'Found a complete and unedited, no BS version on youtube - can't get the sound loud enough and clear enough to understand what he said, so I STILL don't know what he REALLY said, including the context. Thnx. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Joe The Plumber Watch the vid, you can find it on youtube. Basically Joe asked about the 250k thing and taxes, said he wanted to buy a business and grow it, would get into that bracket, a few words were spoken on that regarding those who work and those who don't, then Barry said, we need to spread the wealth around. Wealth redistribution, Marxism pure and simple. --R Wilton Strickland wrote: Enough of the Party line spin BS. What did Barry REALLY say to Joe The Plumber and in what context?? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Osama Bama spent today disparaging plumbers, and ordinary Americans in general. He insinuated that no plumber could ever gross 250k a year. It is quite obvious the Bama bum has never worked a day in his life and has no idea what it takes to run a business. This elietist Marxist prick is getting more annoying to listen to than Hillary the screechbox. He in essence said nobody could use THEIR own middle name (Joe) because he, the messiah, has decreed that nobody can use his middle name Hussein. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l46t_nrySg4 The dip in no way encouraged Joe to follow his dream in that exchange. If that were even remotely true, then the Dem operatives would not be out trying to Destroy Joe. At 04:42 PM 10/17/2008, you wrote: The actual dialogue was played on NPR late this morning - you can no doubt download the understandable version there, and maybe even a printout [I have not looked.] As you might expect, the characterization of Obama's words are about as accurate as was the description of 'Joe the Plumber.' It sounded to me as much an encouragement for 'Joe' to try for his dream as anything. I am sure there are Democratic folks as dishonest as what I have heard from Republicans after the debates, but I try to pretty much tune out secondary commentaries on both sides after the debate. I am very happy this will [?] be over before too long. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wilton Strickland Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 3:46 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Joe The Plumber 'Found a complete and unedited, no BS version on youtube - can't get the sound loud enough and clear enough to understand what he said, so I STILL don't know what he REALLY said, including the context. Thnx. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Joe The Plumber Watch the vid, you can find it on youtube. Basically Joe asked about the 250k thing and taxes, said he wanted to buy a business and grow it, would get into that bracket, a few words were spoken on that regarding those who work and those who don't, then Barry said, we need to spread the wealth around. Wealth redistribution, Marxism pure and simple. --R Wilton Strickland wrote: Enough of the Party line spin BS. What did Barry REALLY say to Joe The Plumber and in what context?? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Thank you!!! 'Found it!! 'Finally able to interpret for myself what he REALLY said without the typical Party spin BS. Thank you! Wilton - Original Message - From: Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Joe The Plumber The actual dialogue was played on NPR late this morning - you can no doubt download the understandable version there, and maybe even a printout [I have not looked.] As you might expect, the characterization of Obama's words are about as accurate as was the description of 'Joe the Plumber.' It sounded to me as much an encouragement for 'Joe' to try for his dream as anything. I am sure there are Democratic folks as dishonest as what I have heard from Republicans after the debates, but I try to pretty much tune out secondary commentaries on both sides after the debate. I am very happy this will [?] be over before too long. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wilton Strickland Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 3:46 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Joe The Plumber 'Found a complete and unedited, no BS version on youtube - can't get the sound loud enough and clear enough to understand what he said, so I STILL don't know what he REALLY said, including the context. Thnx. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Joe The Plumber Watch the vid, you can find it on youtube. Basically Joe asked about the 250k thing and taxes, said he wanted to buy a business and grow it, would get into that bracket, a few words were spoken on that regarding those who work and those who don't, then Barry said, we need to spread the wealth around. Wealth redistribution, Marxism pure and simple. --R Wilton Strickland wrote: Enough of the Party line spin BS. What did Barry REALLY say to Joe The Plumber and in what context?? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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net 250, not gross On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 6:27 PM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Osama Bama spent today disparaging plumbers, and ordinary Americans in general. He insinuated that no plumber could ever gross 250k a year. It is quite obvious the Bama bum has never worked a day in his life and has no idea what it takes to run a business. This elietist Marxist prick is getting more annoying to listen to than Hillary the screechbox. He in essence said nobody could use THEIR own middle name (Joe) because he, the messiah, has decreed that nobody can use his middle name Hussein. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l46t_nrySg4 The dip in no way encouraged Joe to follow his dream in that exchange. If that were even remotely true, then the Dem operatives would not be out trying to Destroy Joe. At 04:42 PM 10/17/2008, you wrote: The actual dialogue was played on NPR late this morning - you can no doubt download the understandable version there, and maybe even a printout [I have not looked.] As you might expect, the characterization of Obama's words are about as accurate as was the description of 'Joe the Plumber.' It sounded to me as much an encouragement for 'Joe' to try for his dream as anything. I am sure there are Democratic folks as dishonest as what I have heard from Republicans after the debates, but I try to pretty much tune out secondary commentaries on both sides after the debate. I am very happy this will [?] be over before too long. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Wilton Strickland Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 3:46 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Joe The Plumber 'Found a complete and unedited, no BS version on youtube - can't get the sound loud enough and clear enough to understand what he said, so I STILL don't know what he REALLY said, including the context. Thnx. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Joe The Plumber Watch the vid, you can find it on youtube. Basically Joe asked about the 250k thing and taxes, said he wanted to buy a business and grow it, would get into that bracket, a few words were spoken on that regarding those who work and those who don't, then Barry said, we need to spread the wealth around. Wealth redistribution, Marxism pure and simple. --R Wilton Strickland wrote: Enough of the Party line spin BS. What did Barry REALLY say to Joe The Plumber and in what context?? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I like you, Loren. You are an extremely intelligent individual (in spades). You are a nice guy, even if your idea of a perfect meal is a face first dive into an all-you-can-eat at Hickory Park (which does *not* offer a vegetarian option). That said, I think you are totally incorrect in what you wrote. Even more disappointing to me, what you wrote in your post is well beneath your dignity. Phrases like elitist (corrected your spelling) Marxist prick isn't something I ever thought I'd hear from you. Obama isn't a Marxist. I am not sure you even understand what Marx said (wrote). In this case, Marxism is just a scary word that one can throw around. Obama is a Progressive who wants to cut off the tax breaks of the extremely wealthy (many of whom pay little or no taxes because they have a CPA on staff). When he says spread the wealth I think he means that it is unfair for folks like you and me to pay out the butt on tax day, when the really rich folks can dodge their fair share. Marx was a philosopher and an economist. The half-dozen university classes I took studying him were all coded as PHI4xx. Marx was about class struggle based on economic theory and philosophy, and I don't remember hearing Obama say anything about overthrowing Wall Street types. Come on over to Jefferson this weekend. I will loan you the complete works of Marx. Read it. It is right there on my bookshelf (along with many other good books, including three translations of the Bible, Ironside's commentaries, the complete works of Mark Twain, and the Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy four book trilogy -- and two shelves of my cookbooks). I even think I have some of Hegel's works buried in there (Marx's mentor). On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 5:27 PM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Osama Bama spent today disparaging plumbers, and ordinary Americans in general. He insinuated that no plumber could ever gross 250k a year. It is quite obvious the Bama bum has never worked a day in his life and has no idea what it takes to run a business. This elietist Marxist prick is getting more annoying to listen to than Hillary the screechbox. He in essence said nobody could use THEIR own middle name (Joe) because he, the messiah, has decreed that nobody can use his middle name Hussein. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l46t_nrySg4 The dip in no way encouraged Joe to follow his dream in that exchange. If that were even remotely true, then the Dem operatives would not be out trying to Destroy Joe. At 04:42 PM 10/17/2008, you wrote: The actual dialogue was played on NPR late this morning - you can no doubt download the understandable version there, and maybe even a printout [I have not looked.] As you might expect, the characterization of Obama's words are about as accurate as was the description of 'Joe the Plumber.' It sounded to me as much an encouragement for 'Joe' to try for his dream as anything. I am sure there are Democratic folks as dishonest as what I have heard from Republicans after the debates, but I try to pretty much tune out secondary commentaries on both sides after the debate. I am very happy this will [?] be over before too long. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Wilton Strickland Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 3:46 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Joe The Plumber 'Found a complete and unedited, no BS version on youtube - can't get the sound loud enough and clear enough to understand what he said, so I STILL don't know what he REALLY said, including the context. Thnx. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Joe The Plumber Watch the vid, you can find it on youtube. Basically Joe asked about the 250k thing and taxes, said he wanted to buy a business and grow it, would get into that bracket, a few words were spoken on that regarding those who work and those who don't, then Barry said, we need to spread the wealth around. Wealth redistribution, Marxism pure and simple. --R Wilton Strickland wrote: Enough of the Party line spin BS. What did Barry REALLY say to Joe The Plumber and in what context?? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Obama isn't a Marxist. I am not sure you even understand what Marx said (wrote). In this case, Marxism is just a scary word that one can throw around. Obama is a Progressive who wants to cut off the tax breaks of the extremely wealthy (many of whom pay little or no taxes because they have a CPA on staff). When he says spread the wealth I think he means that it is unfair for folks like you and me to pay out the butt on tax day, when the really rich folks can dodge their fair share. The rich do NOT dodge their fair share. They pay almost ALL of the taxes now. The lower income earners don't pay income taxes at all, how do you give them a tax cut when they already don't pay any taxes? You can delude yourself all you want and tell yourself whatever you want to believe. The man has a history of repeatedly associating with radical leftist, socialist, individuals and causes. I think his comment about spreading the wealth around was a brief glimpse directly into the core of his philosophy. The rich folks are what make it possible for you and me to have jobs. So I don't know why we have to punish them at every turn. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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...wants to cut off the tax breaks of the extremely wealthy (many of whom pay little or no taxes because they have a CPA on staff). So do I. We just disagree radically on the best way to ensure that everybody's sharing the load equitably. To The Galaxy four book trilogy -- and two shelves of my cookbooks). I believe that it's a five-book trilogy. I've also got a Marx book around here. Seems the gross thing he completely skates over is intellect. _Somebody_ has got to have some smarts and some vision, and I don't see how you can expect it to happen if it's not rewarded. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Wrong. The rich folks have little or NOTHING to do with my paycheck. In fact, most rich folks don't even realize that there are folks like me doing what I do. In fact, they normally insulate themselves from it. Look, I have nothing against the rich. I'd like to be there myself, and considered myself to be one of them my last few years in the USCG. I have a couple of uncles who are self-made millionaires. As for the poor paying no taxes -- don't get me started, Mrs. Wiggins! I am representative payee for a dozen folks who not only pay no taxes, but get free money back (earned income credit) from the government when they file their taxes. And they pretty much live on SSI or SSDI checks. I'd be all for a flat (or fair, or whatever you want to call it) tax based on a fixed percentage of income. Not a sales tax, because that would be regressive. [Folks like me spend most of the paycheck in living expenses, and the wealthy spend a far smaller percentage to exist.] You pay x% of your gross (before any deductions) back in taxes. Even better yet, have it withheld from the paycheck and no one has to do any paperwork at tax time. Of course, Quicken and 10,000 CPAs would be out of work. On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 7:45 PM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The rich folks are what make it possible for you and me to have jobs. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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HMMM Talk about shooting your own foot. http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/10/16/the-real-meaning-o f-joe-the-plumber.aspx Robert A Morrison 223 Buchanan Ave. Kalamazoo, MI 49001-5326 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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exactly. Also, Osama bamo says he will cut taxes for what, 98% of everyone? Correct? I am still waiting for somebody (perhaps wanko) to explain how that is possible when only about 60% of everyone even pay taxes in the first place? The math just does not add up. Allan Streib wrote: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Obama isn't a Marxist. I am not sure you even understand what Marx said (wrote). In this case, Marxism is just a scary word that one can throw around. Obama is a Progressive who wants to cut off the tax breaks of the extremely wealthy (many of whom pay little or no taxes because they have a CPA on staff). When he says spread the wealth I think he means that it is unfair for folks like you and me to pay out the butt on tax day, when the really rich folks can dodge their fair share. The rich do NOT dodge their fair share. They pay almost ALL of the taxes now. The lower income earners don't pay income taxes at all, how do you give them a tax cut when they already don't pay any taxes? You can delude yourself all you want and tell yourself whatever you want to believe. The man has a history of repeatedly associating with radical leftist, socialist, individuals and causes. I think his comment about spreading the wealth around was a brief glimpse directly into the core of his philosophy. The rich folks are what make it possible for you and me to have jobs. So I don't know why we have to punish them at every turn. Allan No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1731 - Release Date: 10/17/2008 7:01 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wrong. The rich folks have little or NOTHING to do with my paycheck. Really? Who does, then? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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So how many people do you know who make $6 an hour who have employees and pay them a wage? Wonko the Sane wrote: Wrong. The rich folks have little or NOTHING to do with my paycheck. In fact, most rich folks don't even realize that there are folks like me doing what I do. In fact, they normally insulate themselves from it. Look, I have nothing against the rich. I'd like to be there myself, and considered myself to be one of them my last few years in the USCG. I have a couple of uncles who are self-made millionaires. As for the poor paying no taxes -- don't get me started, Mrs. Wiggins! I am representative payee for a dozen folks who not only pay no taxes, but get free money back (earned income credit) from the government when they file their taxes. And they pretty much live on SSI or SSDI checks. I'd be all for a flat (or fair, or whatever you want to call it) tax based on a fixed percentage of income. Not a sales tax, because that would be regressive. [Folks like me spend most of the paycheck in living expenses, and the wealthy spend a far smaller percentage to exist.] You pay x% of your gross (before any deductions) back in taxes. Even better yet, have it withheld from the paycheck and no one has to do any paperwork at tax time. Of course, Quicken and 10,000 CPAs would be out of work. On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 7:45 PM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The rich folks are what make it possible for you and me to have jobs. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1731 - Release Date: 10/17/2008 7:01 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Not the way Bama ia 'splaining it. He IS talking gross. But he has no idea that net or gross is. The guy is a moron. A slick moron At 06:13 PM 10/17/2008, you wrote: net 250, not gross On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 6:27 PM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Osama Bama spent today disparaging plumbers, and ordinary Americans in general. He insinuated that no plumber could ever gross 250k a year. It is quite obvious the Bama bum has never worked a day in his life and has no idea what it takes to run a business. This elietist Marxist prick is getting more annoying to listen to than Hillary the screechbox. He in essence said nobody could use THEIR own middle name (Joe) because he, the messiah, has decreed that nobody can use his middle name Hussein. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l46t_nrySg4 The dip in no way encouraged Joe to follow his dream in that exchange. If that were even remotely true, then the Dem operatives would not be out trying to Destroy Joe. At 04:42 PM 10/17/2008, you wrote: The actual dialogue was played on NPR late this morning - you can no doubt download the understandable version there, and maybe even a printout [I have not looked.] As you might expect, the characterization of Obama's words are about as accurate as was the description of 'Joe the Plumber.' It sounded to me as much an encouragement for 'Joe' to try for his dream as anything. I am sure there are Democratic folks as dishonest as what I have heard from Republicans after the debates, but I try to pretty much tune out secondary commentaries on both sides after the debate. I am very happy this will [?] be over before too long. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Wilton Strickland Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 3:46 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Joe The Plumber 'Found a complete and unedited, no BS version on youtube - can't get the sound loud enough and clear enough to understand what he said, so I STILL don't know what he REALLY said, including the context. Thnx. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Joe The Plumber Watch the vid, you can find it on youtube. Basically Joe asked about the 250k thing and taxes, said he wanted to buy a business and grow it, would get into that bracket, a few words were spoken on that regarding those who work and those who don't, then Barry said, we need to spread the wealth around. Wealth redistribution, Marxism pure and simple. --R Wilton Strickland wrote: Enough of the Party line spin BS. What did Barry REALLY say to Joe The Plumber and in what context?? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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$250k is not extremely wealthy. I know lots of professional working couples who have worked hard, got some good education, made some sacrifices along the way, worked up the ladder, and now fall into that category. They are not extremely wealthy and it is really not that hard to achieve if you work at it. Your sort of category really rich folks is .com millionaires, start-up cash-inners, and major corporate execs who get lots and lots of stock options, or trust funders, or the John Kerry-Heinzes, Johnny Edwards, Ted Kennedys, Warren Buffets, Bill Gates, George Soros, Roger Waters, rappers, etc. If you wanted to do that, only your ambition has stopped you from achieving it. You have to make a difference between wealth and salary income. Income is what working people bring home, wealth is what comes from stocks and investments and savings and that sort of thing, and yes over time the salaried people might become wealthy by saving and investing. So I guess it is OK then to confiscate the results of their good work and choices? So people who work for their money and make good money should have it confiscated to pay for those who don't. That is just thievery in another guise, might as well go to the rich guy's house with pitchforks, guns, and torches, and take his flat screen and car and whatever else you fancy -- that would be a fair share you are entitled to, right? That is really sick thinking. But the basic issue is Obammie stoking class warfare, pandering to those who have not worked their way up the ladder, and keeping them in an underclass that he can keep pandering to. His base. That is really sad because it rewards failure to achieve potential that everyone has and really says something about his view of his base --that they are so stupid or lazy or inept that they need to be carried along by those who achieved the potential. What a sad commentary. You make your choices, you take your results, and don't whine about it and expect to be carried along. If you want to become wealthy, then go do it, the only one who is gonna stop you is you, and maybe Obammie. --R Allan Streib wrote: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Obama isn't a Marxist. I am not sure you even understand what Marx said (wrote). In this case, Marxism is just a scary word that one can throw around. Obama is a Progressive who wants to cut off the tax breaks of the extremely wealthy (many of whom pay little or no taxes because they have a CPA on staff). When he says spread the wealth I think he means that it is unfair for folks like you and me to pay out the butt on tax day, when the really rich folks can dodge their fair share. The rich do NOT dodge their fair share. They pay almost ALL of the taxes now. The lower income earners don't pay income taxes at all, how do you give them a tax cut when they already don't pay any taxes? You can delude yourself all you want and tell yourself whatever you want to believe. The man has a history of repeatedly associating with radical leftist, socialist, individuals and causes. I think his comment about spreading the wealth around was a brief glimpse directly into the core of his philosophy. The rich folks are what make it possible for you and me to have jobs. So I don't know why we have to punish them at every turn. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Joe The Plumber and the slick moron
Well I guess those are all the qualifications you need for Presidency of the US of A. Hendrik using his middle name all the time, except for when dealing with the Government Loren Faeth wrote: Not the way Bama ia 'splaining it. He IS talking gross. But he has no idea that net or gross is. The guy is a moron. A slick moron ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yes - those netting over $250,000 would have their taxes raised from the current 33% to 36%. That's going stop small businesses? Read the details: http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/taxes/Factsheet_Tax_Plan_FINAL.pdf On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 9:21 PM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: $250k is not extremely wealthy. I know lots of professional working couples who have worked hard, got some good education, made some sacrifices along the way, worked up the ladder, and now fall into that category. They are not extremely wealthy and it is really not that hard to achieve if you work at it. Your sort of category really rich folks is .com millionaires, start-up cash-inners, and major corporate execs who get lots and lots of stock options, or trust funders, or the John Kerry-Heinzes, Johnny Edwards, Ted Kennedys, Warren Buffets, Bill Gates, George Soros, Roger Waters, rappers, etc. If you wanted to do that, only your ambition has stopped you from achieving it. You have to make a difference between wealth and salary income. Income is what working people bring home, wealth is what comes from stocks and investments and savings and that sort of thing, and yes over time the salaried people might become wealthy by saving and investing. So I guess it is OK then to confiscate the results of their good work and choices? So people who work for their money and make good money should have it confiscated to pay for those who don't. That is just thievery in another guise, might as well go to the rich guy's house with pitchforks, guns, and torches, and take his flat screen and car and whatever else you fancy -- that would be a fair share you are entitled to, right? That is really sick thinking. But the basic issue is Obammie stoking class warfare, pandering to those who have not worked their way up the ladder, and keeping them in an underclass that he can keep pandering to. His base. That is really sad because it rewards failure to achieve potential that everyone has and really says something about his view of his base --that they are so stupid or lazy or inept that they need to be carried along by those who achieved the potential. What a sad commentary. You make your choices, you take your results, and don't whine about it and expect to be carried along. If you want to become wealthy, then go do it, the only one who is gonna stop you is you, and maybe Obammie. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have a B.A. and a B.S. degree. How much would you like me to work my way up the ladder? Are you looking for an MBA or a PhD? I can think of only a couple of local Obama supporters who are not university educated professionals. My own two children, both Obama supporters, have an M.S. Microbiology (George Mason University) and an M.S. Mechanical Engineering (Virginia Tech). THIS is his base. On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 9:21 PM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But the basic issue is Obammie stoking class warfare, pandering to those who have not worked their way up the ladder, and keeping them in an underclass that he can keep pandering to. His base. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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WOW -- welcome aboard. On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 9:42 PM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes - those netting over $250,000 would have their taxes raised from the current 33% to 36%. That's going stop small businesses? Read the details: http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/taxes/Factsheet_Tax_Plan_FINAL.pdf On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 9:21 PM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: $250k is not extremely wealthy. I know lots of professional working couples who have worked hard, got some good education, made some sacrifices along the way, worked up the ladder, and now fall into that category. They are not extremely wealthy and it is really not that hard to achieve if you work at it. Your sort of category really rich folks is .com millionaires, start-up cash-inners, and major corporate execs who get lots and lots of stock options, or trust funders, or the John Kerry-Heinzes, Johnny Edwards, Ted Kennedys, Warren Buffets, Bill Gates, George Soros, Roger Waters, rappers, etc. If you wanted to do that, only your ambition has stopped you from achieving it. You have to make a difference between wealth and salary income. Income is what working people bring home, wealth is what comes from stocks and investments and savings and that sort of thing, and yes over time the salaried people might become wealthy by saving and investing. So I guess it is OK then to confiscate the results of their good work and choices? So people who work for their money and make good money should have it confiscated to pay for those who don't. That is just thievery in another guise, might as well go to the rich guy's house with pitchforks, guns, and torches, and take his flat screen and car and whatever else you fancy -- that would be a fair share you are entitled to, right? That is really sick thinking. But the basic issue is Obammie stoking class warfare, pandering to those who have not worked their way up the ladder, and keeping them in an underclass that he can keep pandering to. His base. That is really sad because it rewards failure to achieve potential that everyone has and really says something about his view of his base --that they are so stupid or lazy or inept that they need to be carried along by those who achieved the potential. What a sad commentary. You make your choices, you take your results, and don't whine about it and expect to be carried along. If you want to become wealthy, then go do it, the only one who is gonna stop you is you, and maybe Obammie. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That we can agree on, at least to be a major party candidate. The election is not over yet. At 09:23 PM 10/17/2008, you wrote: Well I guess those are all the qualifications you need for Presidency of the US of A. Hendrik using his middle name all the time, except for when dealing with the Government Loren Faeth wrote: Not the way Bama ia 'splaining it. He IS talking gross. But he has no idea that net or gross is. The guy is a moron. A slick moron ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Joe The Plumber and tax dodger like certain Dem senators
At 08:02 PM 10/17/2008, you wrote: My understanding is that Obama said that less than 2% of small businesses bring in more than 250K. http://www.smh.com.au/news/web/internet-abuzz-with-joe-the-plumber/2008/10/17/1223750299721.html As with most things in the media, this is hogwash. Small business is defined by the Gummit as up to 500 employees. aNY SMALL business that has one employee has to make more than 250 k, or they will be out of business very quickly. If the net is 10% a business grossing 250 will yield only 25k. How many of you want to sign up for a job where you work 89 to 100 hours a week and take home 750 a week? Remember, of that 25k, SS takes 15% off the top. Then you have to pay health insurance, or hope you never get sick or injured. By the way, there are a lot of businesses that net less than 10% of gross. Also remember Bama is talking about gross income fom a business over 250k gets taxed even more. Further, apparently 'Joe the plumper' does not have a license and doesn't like paying taxes With the crowd chanting Joe! Joe! Joe! Palin also referred to Samuel J. Wurzelbacher, the Joe the Plumber repeatedly cited by McCain in Wednesday night's presidential debate as an example of a hardworking American concerned that Obama will raise his taxes. It was revealed Thursday that the Toledo area man, who had challenged Obama last weekend, doesn't have a plumber's license and owes the state back taxes. http://news.bostonherald.com/news/politics/2008/view/2008_10_17_Sarah_Palin_rips_into_ACORN__defends_Joe_the_plumber/srvc=homeposition=5 There are US senators with tax liens. Joe never said he was a licensed plumber, he said he wanted to buy a plumbing business. Again, this is media BS and the only reason the dems and media are trying to take poor Joe apart is because he had the audacity of hope to want to own a plumbing business. His middle name is Joe. Bet there are senators that go by their middle name. You don't have to have a plumbers license to own a plumbing business. And the best managers are generally NOT the technicians. It MIGHT also come as a shock to some people that there are areas of the USA where you don't have to have a freaking license to be a plumber. None of the media morons have ever been to these parts of the country, so they have no idea. Bama has no idea, that is for sure. And why shouldn't someone earning 250K plus pay more taxes than others. If it was taxable income, rather than gross, it might be a point. If we had a fair tax, the more you make the more you pay. Anyone who has a line whateverit is where the next line is the taxes you pay of 250k IS ALREADY paying taxes through the nose! I'd sure as like to get there some day! I don't need the gummit in the way making sure I never can. I have no idea what the tax structure is in OZ, and I frankly don't care. Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Wonko the Sane wrote: Obama isn't a Marxist. I am not sure you even understand what Marx said (wrote). In this case, Marxism is just a scary word that one can throw around. Loren's going by Obama state and federal senate records. You're going by his campaign propaganda. My money's on Loren. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I don't think you've read Marx. On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 9:31 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wonko the Sane wrote: Obama isn't a Marxist. I am not sure you even understand what Marx said (wrote). In this case, Marxism is just a scary word that one can throw around. Loren's going by Obama state and federal senate records. You're going by his campaign propaganda. My money's on Loren. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Wonko the Sane wrote: I don't think you've read Marx. Not extensively, but I know the Manifesto. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Saying you know the Manifesto so know all about Marx is like saying you've heard Bush speak on tv so know all there is to know about the Constitution. On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 9:58 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wonko the Sane wrote: I don't think you've read Marx. Not extensively, but I know the Manifesto. Mitch. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Wonko the Sane wrote: Saying you know the Manifesto so know all about Marx is like saying you've heard Bush speak on tv so know all there is to know about the Constitution. When someone advocates incorporating elements of the Manifesto into government, I think you will find that most people would call him a Marxist. You seem to be saying that you want the term Marxist to mean something that isn't common usage for the word. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Actually, I want Marxism to reflect what Marx actually said. On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 10:05 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wonko the Sane wrote: Saying you know the Manifesto so know all about Marx is like saying you've heard Bush speak on tv so know all there is to know about the Constitution. When someone advocates incorporating elements of the Manifesto into government, I think you will find that most people would call him a Marxist. You seem to be saying that you want the term Marxist to mean something that isn't common usage for the word. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That net of 10% is AFTER the salaries have been paid, including that of the owner -- the 10% is profit, not salary. Back to Joe -- UPDATE, Oct. 17: The Wall Street Journal's Jonathan Weisman has more detail on the company Wurzelbacher hope to buy someday: The company, A.W. Newell Inc., with two employees, Al Newell and Mr. Wurzelbacher, reported sales this year of $100,000. On sales of that volume, a firm that size could expect to earn about a 6% profit, or $6,000, after salaries and costs are taken out, according to Lee Smither, managing director of FMI Corp., a Raleigh, N.C., management-consulting firm for construction contractors. The average income of plumbers, pipefitters and steamfitters in 2006 was $48,002, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Earlier, I'd taken Wurzelbacher's claim that A.W. Newell, Inc. makes more than $250,000 a year to mean that sales exceed $250,000. Turns out Wurzelbacher's statement was misleading: $250,000 is the net worth of the company. Sales are only $100,000. Which means that Joe the Small-Business Owner won't rake in anywhere near $100,000; he'll simply net an additional $6,000 (i.e. the company's profits) on top of his old salary of about $40,000. Ultimately, then, Joe the Small-Business Owner would be in the same boat as Joe the Plumber: that is, getting a tax cut of $1,042 from Obama and $319 from McCain. For Wurzelbacher to take home the $200,000-$250,000 required to trigger Obama's proposed tax increases, according to the Journal, a mom-and-pop plumbing company like Newell would have to clear $5 million in annual sales. On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 9:36 PM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 08:02 PM 10/17/2008, you wrote: My understanding is that Obama said that less than 2% of small businesses bring in more than 250K. http://www.smh.com.au/news/web/internet-abuzz-with-joe-the-plumber/2008/10/17/1223750299721.html As with most things in the media, this is hogwash. Small business is defined by the Gummit as up to 500 employees. aNY SMALL business that has one employee has to make more than 250 k, or they will be out of business very quickly. If the net is 10% a business grossing 250 will yield only 25k. How many of you want to sign up for a job where you work 89 to 100 hours a week and take home 750 a week? Remember, of that 25k, SS takes 15% off the top. Then you have to pay health insurance, or hope you never get sick or injured. By the way, there are a lot of businesses that net less than 10% of gross. Also remember Bama is talking about gross income fom a business over 250k gets taxed even more. Further, apparently 'Joe the plumper' does not have a license and doesn't like paying taxes With the crowd chanting Joe! Joe! Joe! Palin also referred to Samuel J. Wurzelbacher, the Joe the Plumber repeatedly cited by McCain in Wednesday night's presidential debate as an example of a hardworking American concerned that Obama will raise his taxes. It was revealed Thursday that the Toledo area man, who had challenged Obama last weekend, doesn't have a plumber's license and owes the state back taxes. http://news.bostonherald.com/news/politics/2008/view/2008_10_17_Sarah_Palin_rips_into_ACORN__defends_Joe_the_plumber/srvc=homeposition=5 There are US senators with tax liens. Joe never said he was a licensed plumber, he said he wanted to buy a plumbing business. Again, this is media BS and the only reason the dems and media are trying to take poor Joe apart is because he had the audacity of hope to want to own a plumbing business. His middle name is Joe. Bet there are senators that go by their middle name. You don't have to have a plumbers license to own a plumbing business. And the best managers are generally NOT the technicians. It MIGHT also come as a shock to some people that there are areas of the USA where you don't have to have a freaking license to be a plumber. None of the media morons have ever been to these parts of the country, so they have no idea. Bama has no idea, that is for sure. And why shouldn't someone earning 250K plus pay more taxes than others. If it was taxable income, rather than gross, it might be a point. If we had a fair tax, the more you make the more you pay. Anyone who has a line whateverit is where the next line is the taxes you pay of 250k IS ALREADY paying taxes through the nose! I'd sure as like to get there some day! I don't need the gummit in the way making sure I never can. I have no idea what the tax structure is in OZ, and I frankly don't care. Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and
Re: [MBZ] OT - Joe The Plumber
Watch the vid, you can find it on youtube. Basically Joe asked about the 250k thing and taxes, said he wanted to buy a business and grow it, would get into that bracket, a few words were spoken on that regarding those who work and those who don't, then Barry said, we need to spread the wealth around. Wealth redistribution, Marxism pure and simple. --R Wilton Strickland wrote: Enough of the Party line spin BS. What did Barry REALLY say to Joe The Plumber and in what context?? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Joe The Plumber
http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/15/smallbusiness/small_biz_taxes_factcheck.smb/index.htm?cnn=yes On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Enough of the Party line spin BS. What did Barry REALLY say to Joe The Plumber and in what context?? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Joe The Plumber
From http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/15/smallbusiness/small_biz_taxes_factcheck.smb/index.htm?cnn=yes Third, even if you're one of the rare business owners making enough money to be affected by Obama's proposed tax increases, you still won't see a big hike in your tax bill.* * McCain's claim that Obama will increase taxes on 50% of small business revenue - the line he used in the second presidential debate - is incorrect because of how income is taxed. If a business owner falls into the top bracket, that doesn't mean that all of his or her income is taxed at the highest level. For example: If a small-business owner makes $210,000 in taxable income, he edges into the 33% bracket, one of the two top tax rates that Obama would like to raise. But he would pay the higher tax only on the amount that exceeds the cutoff - in 2007, the two top tax rates applied to single filers with income of $160,850 or more and joint filers with income of at least $195,850. As a single filer, this business owner would see his federal taxes increase $1,475 under Obama's plan, which calls for raising the 33% tax rate to 36%. While Obama does favor raising the top two rates, the quote is not true because not all the small business income of those in the top two rates is taxed at the 33% and 35% rates, said Gerald Prante, a senior economist at the nonpartisan Tax Foundation. The bottom line: McCain's claim only works by using an overly broad definition of what counts as a small business - and even with that definition, fewer than 2% of business owners would be hit by Obama's proposed rate increase. For those who are affected, the increase would be levied only on a part of their earnings, not all of them. On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Enough of the Party line spin BS. What did Barry REALLY say to Joe The Plumber and in what context?? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Joe The Plumber
Wonko the Sane wrote: From http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/15/smallbusiness/small_biz_taxes_factcheck.smb/index.htm?cnn=yes Is this any more reliable than the so-called Factcheck by Washington Post? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Joe The Plumber
Joe is right! We already pay outrageous taxes. Anyone who votes for Bama is voting for high taxes made way higher. At 01:49 PM 10/16/2008, you wrote: From http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/15/smallbusiness/small_biz_taxes_factcheck.smb/index.htm?cnn=yes Third, even if you're one of the rare business owners making enough money to be affected by Obama's proposed tax increases, you still won't see a big hike in your tax bill.* * McCain's claim that Obama will increase taxes on 50% of small business revenue - the line he used in the second presidential debate - is incorrect because of how income is taxed. If a business owner falls into the top bracket, that doesn't mean that all of his or her income is taxed at the highest level. For example: If a small-business owner makes $210,000 in taxable income, he edges into the 33% bracket, one of the two top tax rates that Obama would like to raise. But he would pay the higher tax only on the amount that exceeds the cutoff - in 2007, the two top tax rates applied to single filers with income of $160,850 or more and joint filers with income of at least $195,850. As a single filer, this business owner would see his federal taxes increase $1,475 under Obama's plan, which calls for raising the 33% tax rate to 36%. While Obama does favor raising the top two rates, the quote is not true because not all the small business income of those in the top two rates is taxed at the 33% and 35% rates, said Gerald Prante, a senior economist at the nonpartisan Tax Foundation. The bottom line: McCain's claim only works by using an overly broad definition of what counts as a small business - and even with that definition, fewer than 2% of business owners would be hit by Obama's proposed rate increase. For those who are affected, the increase would be levied only on a part of their earnings, not all of them. On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Enough of the Party line spin BS. What did Barry REALLY say to Joe The Plumber and in what context?? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Joe The Plumber
Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Joe is right! We already pay outrageous taxes. Anyone who votes for Bama is voting for high taxes made way higher. Also remember campaign promises are just hot air. Once the guy gets in office he could easily say oh my, things are worse than we knew, sorry but I'm going to have to cut that threshold from $250K to $50K or something like that. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Joe The Plumber
If either one wins we will all be paying more taxes. We can't maintain 2 wars, the growth in SS spending, and increased Medicare/Medicaid costs any other way. That's common sense. Get used to it. -Dave Walton On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joe is right! We already pay outrageous taxes. Anyone who votes for Bama is voting for high taxes made way higher. At 01:49 PM 10/16/2008, you wrote: From http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/15/smallbusiness/small_biz_taxes_factcheck.smb/index.htm?cnn=yes Third, even if you're one of the rare business owners making enough money to be affected by Obama's proposed tax increases, you still won't see a big hike in your tax bill.* * McCain's claim that Obama will increase taxes on 50% of small business revenue - the line he used in the second presidential debate - is incorrect because of how income is taxed. If a business owner falls into the top bracket, that doesn't mean that all of his or her income is taxed at the highest level. For example: If a small-business owner makes $210,000 in taxable income, he edges into the 33% bracket, one of the two top tax rates that Obama would like to raise. But he would pay the higher tax only on the amount that exceeds the cutoff - in 2007, the two top tax rates applied to single filers with income of $160,850 or more and joint filers with income of at least $195,850. As a single filer, this business owner would see his federal taxes increase $1,475 under Obama's plan, which calls for raising the 33% tax rate to 36%. While Obama does favor raising the top two rates, the quote is not true because not all the small business income of those in the top two rates is taxed at the 33% and 35% rates, said Gerald Prante, a senior economist at the nonpartisan Tax Foundation. The bottom line: McCain's claim only works by using an overly broad definition of what counts as a small business - and even with that definition, fewer than 2% of business owners would be hit by Obama's proposed rate increase. For those who are affected, the increase would be levied only on a part of their earnings, not all of them. On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Enough of the Party line spin BS. What did Barry REALLY say to Joe The Plumber and in what context?? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Joe The Plumber
'Found a complete and unedited, no BS version on youtube - can't get the sound loud enough and clear enough to understand what he said, so I STILL don't know what he REALLY said, including the context. Thnx. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Joe The Plumber Watch the vid, you can find it on youtube. Basically Joe asked about the 250k thing and taxes, said he wanted to buy a business and grow it, would get into that bracket, a few words were spoken on that regarding those who work and those who don't, then Barry said, we need to spread the wealth around. Wealth redistribution, Marxism pure and simple. --R Wilton Strickland wrote: Enough of the Party line spin BS. What did Barry REALLY say to Joe The Plumber and in what context?? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Joe The Plumber
Historically, revenues go up following tax cuts. Sounds contradictory at first but the economic growth more than offsets the lower tax rates. This has happened time and time again. The treasury is taking in more money than ever. What we need to do is cut spending. dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: If either one wins we will all be paying more taxes. We can't maintain 2 wars, the growth in SS spending, and increased Medicare/Medicaid costs any other way. That's common sense. Get used to it. -Dave Walton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Joe The Plumber
Allan Streib wrote: Also remember campaign promises are just hot air. That's why it ticks me off when the media 'fact checkers' think they can deflect criticism (usually based on a candidate's voting record) with That's not what it says on the candidate's web page. The best comment I've heard recently: When I want to know what sort of critter has walked by, I look at his tracks Obama's tracks are quite clear, and they don't look at all like his promises. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Joe The Plumber
I dont see how ANYONE could vote for that Rich Thomas wrote: Watch the vid, you can find it on youtube. Basically Joe asked about the 250k thing and taxes, said he wanted to buy a business and grow it, would get into that bracket, a few words were spoken on that regarding those who work and those who don't, then Barry said, we need to spread the wealth around. Wealth redistribution, Marxism pure and simple. --R Wilton Strickland wrote: Enough of the Party line spin BS. What did Barry REALLY say to Joe The Plumber and in what context?? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1728 - Release Date: 10/16/2008 7:38 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Joe The Plumber
yup, wealth redistribution, only barry at least is planning it from the rich to the poor instead the other way around. the other thing is the all the slander we hear today about obama are recycled from clinton and previously recycled from mcgovern. it's a catechism of the republicans and has been for a long time. it's very suspicious. On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Watch the vid, you can find it on youtube. Basically Joe asked about the 250k thing and taxes, said he wanted to buy a business and grow it, would get into that bracket, a few words were spoken on that regarding those who work and those who don't, then Barry said, we need to spread the wealth around. Wealth redistribution, Marxism pure and simple. --R Wilton Strickland wrote: Enough of the Party line spin BS. What did Barry REALLY say to Joe The Plumber and in what context?? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Joe The Plumber
spending is fun. neither side will stop spending. the question is whether you want the party of giant government or the party of unprecedentedly huge government. both choices suck, but barry will be cheaper. On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Historically, revenues go up following tax cuts. Sounds contradictory at first but the economic growth more than offsets the lower tax rates. This has happened time and time again. The treasury is taking in more money than ever. What we need to do is cut spending. dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: If either one wins we will all be paying more taxes. We can't maintain 2 wars, the growth in SS spending, and increased Medicare/Medicaid costs any other way. That's common sense. Get used to it. -Dave Walton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
