Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics

2015-07-24 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
I am so so glad I went to a small state college. I read about schools indoctrinating students and refusing to listen to other points of view and I'm horrified, that was not my experience at all. We were encouraged to disagree with our teachers, if you could back up your point they'd

Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics

2015-07-24 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
I would have an interesting story to tell about the wages of sin at UNC-CH, outside the whole football program, but it would violate my integrity to do so, so I won't. But in universities, independent simple solutions are not acceptable, the school has to form committees to beat the issue to

Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics

2015-07-24 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
Having worked at a big 10 school and an SEC school I totally agree and i would abolish the NCAA. We had George Jefferson. He looked and sounded like George Jefferson on the Movin on up TV show. He real name was George. His last name was different but similar. George's job was to pressure

Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics

2015-07-24 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Why does Penn State come to mind right now? I worked at a major university for a couple of years while I attended school there. While there can be some pretty sordid things that go on in the corporate world, I was stunned at some of the things I heard and saw while I was working there.

Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics

2015-07-24 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
+1 +1 Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 14:07:16 -0400 Subject: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics From: mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: wilt...@nc.rr.com Re. the unsavory crap (sham, paper, classes) going on for nearly 20 years at UNC-CH

Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics

2015-07-24 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
Re. the unsavory crap (sham, paper, classes) going on for nearly 20 years at UNC-CH to accommodate athletes, an article in today's Raleigh News and Observer, discusses two working groups (committee's) looking at UNC integrity and policies. Co-chair said that they first want to define

Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics

2015-07-24 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics I am so so glad I went to a small state college. I read about schools indoctrinating students and refusing to listen to other points of view and I'm horrified, that was not my

Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics

2015-07-24 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
On July 24, 2015 at 12:55 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Why does Penn State come to mind right now? You mean the place where a former assistant coach kept raping little boys in the locker room long after he retired? Where the so-called whistleblower, upon

Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics

2015-07-23 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Curt wrote: ...Broke a rule but got away with it? Awesome, good for you. And we wonder where innovation and invention have gone? Education should sponsor innovation and invention. If all we do is repeat the past, where is future? Your idea is the statement entirely of why I love hackers. NO,

Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics

2015-07-23 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
WILTON wrote: ...put simply, integrity is the ability to do what is right when nobody else is watching. Maybe it is missing universally. Construction zone is 45mph - I can do that instead of risk $375 fine. Many pass at higher speed, just to stop 3 miles ahead at light - what's the sense? Is

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2015-07-23 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
RB wrote: ...you cannot get a job anywhere unless you are reasonably proficient in Autocad (or the newer version, - Ribbit or something like that). Revit. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To

Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics

2015-07-23 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Rick wrote: Sorry for the lengthy off topic diatribe. Nope - totally ontopic, and you know it. Now, go see Gonzo and speak some more. Anyone else also - see the movie Gonzo. A documentary about HST - Hunter S Thompson. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To

Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics

2015-07-23 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
fmiser wrote: I would amend that just a bit because the integrity does not strictly include anything about what is right. And since each of us will have a slightly (or not so slight?) difference of opinion about what is right. Yes!! Uniformity sucks. Diversity rules. mao

Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics

2015-07-23 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
ATTABOY! Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics I am so so glad

Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics

2015-07-23 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
On 23/07/2015 1:58 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: I am so so glad I went to a small state college . . . . I had one design class where for a month we worked with crayons. Yeah crayons. You go out and try to make a crayon drawing that doesn't look like a crayon drawing and tell me how

Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics

2015-07-23 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
Having worked at a big 10 school and an SEC school I totally agree and i would abolish the NCAA. On Jul 23, 2015 2:23 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: As far as I'm concerned athletics has no place in college beyond the intramural level. The idea of college sports as

Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics

2015-07-23 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics I would have an interesting story to tell about the wages of sin at UNC-CH, outside the whole football program, but it would violate my integrity to do so, so I won't. But in universities, independent simple solutions are not acceptable, the school has

Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics

2015-07-23 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
As far as I'm concerned athletics has no place in college beyond the intramural level. The idea of college sports as quasi professional is completely at odds with the real job of college which is education. As long as there is money to be made in college sports there will be abuse of the

Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics

2015-07-23 Thread Fred Moir via Mercedes
+1 Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 14:07:16 -0400 Subject: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics From: mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: wilt...@nc.rr.com Re. the unsavory crap (sham, paper, classes) going on for nearly 20 years at UNC-CH to

Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics

2015-07-23 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics As far as I'm concerned athletics has no place in college beyond the intramural level. The idea of college sports as quasi professional is completely at odds with the real job of college which is education. As long as there is money to be made in college

Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics

2015-07-23 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
I would have an interesting story to tell about the wages of sin at UNC-CH, outside the whole football program, but it would violate my integrity to do so, so I won't. But in universities, independent simple solutions are not acceptable, the school has to form committees to beat the issue to