Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 10:32:42 -0500
Meade Dillon via Mercedes  wrote:

> Well, according to Chevron:
> 
> Delo 400 LE SAE 15W-40 is formulated with ISOSYN
> ®
> Technology. ISOSYN Technology is a combination of
> premium base oils and high performance additives with
> Chevron's formulating expertise that "Rivals Synthetic
> Performance" and provides su
> perb diesel engine parts
> protection - all at an ou
> tstanding value.
> 
> Does the bottle say "synthetic" on it?
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 9:56 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > It is full synthetic and is $19.99 a gallon at Wally World
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Feb 10, 2016, at 8:27 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > So can someone please clarify for me whether or not Delo 400 LE 15W-40
> > is a synthetic or not?  I always wondered, and there’s nothing in the name
> > that would give it away as such.  Based on the price I see it selling for,
> > I’m assuming it’s not, too.
> > >
> > > Dan
~~
It sounds like it might be semi-synthetic:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_oil#Synthetic_Oil

Gerry


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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

You are talking about the 15w40, it is not synthetic. The full synthetic is 
5w40.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 11, 2016, at 2:28 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 10:32:42 -0500
> Meade Dillon via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
>> Well, according to Chevron:
>> 
>> Delo 400 LE SAE 15W-40 is formulated with ISOSYN
>> ®
>> Technology. ISOSYN Technology is a combination of
>> premium base oils and high performance additives with
>> Chevron's formulating expertise that "Rivals Synthetic
>> Performance" and provides su
>> perb diesel engine parts
>> protection - all at an ou
>> tstanding value.
>> 
>> Does the bottle say "synthetic" on it?
>> 
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 9:56 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> It is full synthetic and is $19.99 a gallon at Wally World
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Feb 10, 2016, at 8:27 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 So can someone please clarify for me whether or not Delo 400 LE 15W-40
>>> is a synthetic or not?  I always wondered, and there’s nothing in the name
>>> that would give it away as such.  Based on the price I see it selling for,
>>> I’m assuming it’s not, too.
 
 Dan
> ~~
> It sounds like it might be semi-synthetic:
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_oil#Synthetic_Oil
> 
> Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Well, according to Chevron:

Delo 400 LE SAE 15W-40 is formulated with ISOSYN
®
Technology. ISOSYN Technology is a combination of
premium base oils and high performance additives with
Chevron's formulating expertise that "Rivals Synthetic
Performance" and provides su
perb diesel engine parts
protection - all at an ou
tstanding value.

Does the bottle say "synthetic" on it?

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 9:56 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> It is full synthetic and is $19.99 a gallon at Wally World
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 10, 2016, at 8:27 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > So can someone please clarify for me whether or not Delo 400 LE 15W-40
> is a synthetic or not?  I always wondered, and there’s nothing in the name
> that would give it away as such.  Based on the price I see it selling for,
> I’m assuming it’s not, too.
> >
> > Dan
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Huh? If you watch the sales you should be able to get M1 for between 
$27 and $30 a gallon. Worst would be buying it in $10 quarts but 
thats still only $40 a gallon.The cheap stuff has to be almost free 
to get a difference of $30 per oil change and if its that cheap its 
got to be crap.

-Curt


Clay said per oil change, not per gallon.  I buy 2 gallons or 2 5 qt 
jugs per oil change in my MBs.  An OM603 takes roughly 7 qts.  The 
odd tailings get uses somewhere along the line.  Sometimes the 
tailings are enough that I only need to buy 1 jug.



Funny how Bob's simple question got turned into another oil thread!

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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Huh? If you watch the sales you should be able to get M1 for between $27 and 
$30 a gallon. Worst would be buying it in $10 quarts but thats still only $40 a 
gallon.The cheap stuff has to be almost free to get a difference of $30 per oil 
change and if its that cheap its got to be crap.
-Curt

  From: clay <redgh...@comcast.net>
 To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:59 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
   
The less expensive oil comes to $0.01 per mile driven, instead of $0.24 with 
M1.  That is around $30 between not M1 and Mobil 1 for a change if I never 
drove the SL at all.  On a higher mileage basis, I would probably be even, 
doing two low cost oil changes to one M1 fill.

clay



On Feb 9, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

> If you only change the oil once a year you realize you'll be saving maybe $10 
> a year right?
> -Curt
> 
> 
>      From: clay <redgh...@comcast.net>
> To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 8:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
> 
> I have not done any analysis since there is so little use on the car, and I 
> want to see how much hope and change I get with each oil swap.  I would 
> probably send it in at the last M1 drain, and then again the next swap out 
> with less expensive goo.  
> 
> clay
> 
> On Feb 9, 2016, at 4:48 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> 
>> Have you had analysis done to know exactly what the schmoo is?
>> My '85 190D had high iron levels when I got it that went down with each 
>> subsequent oil change until it would stay normal through a 10,000 mile run. 
>> The previous owner was kinda on the sketchy side...
>> -Curt
>> 
>>      From: clay via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
>> Cc: clay <redgh...@comcast.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 7:40 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
>> 
>> It is coming out black, but getting lighter with each change.  First change 
>> resulted in near immediate change to diesel black on the stick after ten 
>> miles.  Now it remains amber for far longer.  Since I am only getting 2500 
>> miles per annum, I make sure if she goes out, she goes OUT! for a long drive 
>> at speed.  Hot enough to deal with most condensation.    I doubt I will get 
>> 'clean' at a change, I aim for deep maple instead of french roast, and 
>> slight opacity over occluded.
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> On Feb 9, 2016, at 3:07 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>>> On 09/02/2016 4:20 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:
>>>> I like M1 15-50 for the older cars and diesels.  I am running it through 
>>>> Frosch for the past three years in an attempt to clear out 40 years of 
>>>> crud in the engine.  Just in case.  Once it flows out clean during the 
>>>> annual change, I figure I will move to Delo synth.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> clay
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> Will it ever run out clean on an annual change?
>>> I run M1 in my late model truck and it gets dirty after about 5K miles.
>>> Not horrible but bad enough that I change it about then.
>>> 
>>> RB
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

As some other folks have said, in an older car its probably fine. If I had a 
61x engine I'd probably be running conventional oil and a block heater. The 
soot load of the older engines is really the limiting factor for longer oil 
changes.
61x and later engines really ought to have synthetic. Easier cold starts = less 
startup wear, longer oil change durations = same cost to operate. Both my 190Ds 
were well within safe limits at 10,000 mile oil changes and I suspect they 
could have easily gone to 15,000.
Hilariously VW recommends 10,000 mile oil changes in the US but 30,000 miles 
outside of the US. They do that because they recognize that nearly zero US car 
owners will ever read the owners manual...
My VW guy was telling me he was talking to a VW mechanic in Germany who says 
the almost never have cam failures on the BEW engines over there while its a 
common problem here. Internet lore suggests the cam failures here are from the 
dealers putting in the wrong oil...
-Curt

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Cc: Dan Penoff <d...@penoff.com>
 Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 10:36 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
   
That’s why I asked.  I saw some discussions about this in another forum and was 
wondering, since I know there are a number of diesel folks that swear by Delo.  
I thought it was regular dino oil, not synthetic.

confused Dan

> On Feb 10, 2016, at 10:32 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Well, according to Chevron:
> 
> Delo 400 LE SAE 15W-40 is formulated with ISOSYN
> ®
> Technology. ISOSYN Technology is a combination of
> premium base oils and high performance additives with
> Chevron's formulating expertise that "Rivals Synthetic
> Performance" and provides su
> perb diesel engine parts
> protection - all at an ou
> tstanding value.
> 
> Does the bottle say "synthetic" on it?
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 


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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Hold on.  Delo LE 5w-40 IS synthetic.

Max getting confused with the facts again

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Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> That’s why I asked.  I saw some discussions about this in another forum
> and was wondering, since I know there are a number of diesel folks that
> swear by Delo.  I thought it was regular dino oil, not synthetic.
>
> confused Dan
>
> > On Feb 10, 2016, at 10:32 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Well, according to Chevron:
> >
> > Delo 400 LE SAE 15W-40 is formulated with ISOSYN
> > ®
> > Technology. ISOSYN Technology is a combination of
> > premium base oils and high performance additives with
> > Chevron's formulating expertise that "Rivals Synthetic
> > Performance" and provides su
> > perb diesel engine parts
> > protection - all at an ou
> > tstanding value.
> >
> > Does the bottle say "synthetic" on it?
> >
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

So can someone please clarify for me whether or not Delo 400 LE 15W-40 is a 
synthetic or not?  I always wondered, and there’s nothing in the name that 
would give it away as such.  Based on the price I see it selling for, I’m 
assuming it’s not, too.

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Yeahbut the price difference doesn't make sense...
Or didn't until I checked for Delo 400 le 15w-40 at Wally-Mart, $13/gal, so the 
price difference is very large, just remember its not synthetic...I don't 
understand why somebody would spend years cleaning out an engine with synthetic 
oil to turn around and put conventional back in...
-Curt

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<mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
 Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 10:17 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
   
>Huh? If you watch the sales you should be able to get M1 for between 
>$27 and $30 a gallon. Worst would be buying it in $10 quarts but 
>thats still only $40 a gallon.The cheap stuff has to be almost free 
>to get a difference of $30 per oil change and if its that cheap its 
>got to be crap.
>-Curt

Clay said per oil change, not per gallon.  I buy 2 gallons or 2 5 qt 
jugs per oil change in my MBs.  An OM603 takes roughly 7 qts.  The 
odd tailings get uses somewhere along the line.  Sometimes the 
tailings are enough that I only need to buy 1 jug.


Funny how Bob's simple question got turned into another oil thread!


  
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Well, according to Chevron:
Delo 400 LE SAE 15W-40 is formulated with ISOSYN


The prefix iso- means "equal to".  So, the marketeers
are telling you that it's equal to synthetic.  What more
could you want?

Delo has always been a very good conventional oil.  I use
it in everything, diesel or not, with the exception of
the wife's X5, which _she_ maintains.  Of course, they're
all older cars now, nothing with a snotty oil rating
except the X5.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

whether or not Delo 400 LE 15W-40 is a synthetic or not?


Regular old Delo?  It's not.  I miss the $6/gallon days
when I bought 6-gallon cases at Costco.  What with the 3-gallon
truck, and all those 2-gallon MB's...

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

It is full synthetic and is $19.99 a gallon at Wally World 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 10, 2016, at 8:27 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> So can someone please clarify for me whether or not Delo 400 LE 15W-40 is a 
> synthetic or not?  I always wondered, and there’s nothing in the name that 
> would give it away as such.  Based on the price I see it selling for, I’m 
> assuming it’s not, too.
> 
> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That’s why I asked.  I saw some discussions about this in another forum and was 
wondering, since I know there are a number of diesel folks that swear by Delo.  
I thought it was regular dino oil, not synthetic.

confused Dan

> On Feb 10, 2016, at 10:32 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well, according to Chevron:
> 
> Delo 400 LE SAE 15W-40 is formulated with ISOSYN
> ®
> Technology. ISOSYN Technology is a combination of
> premium base oils and high performance additives with
> Chevron's formulating expertise that "Rivals Synthetic
> Performance" and provides su
> perb diesel engine parts
> protection - all at an ou
> tstanding value.
> 
> Does the bottle say "synthetic" on it?
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 


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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Yeah, their naming is very challenging...
You were right the first time though, we were talking about 15w40.
-Curt

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Hold on.  Delo LE 5w-40 IS synthetic.

Max getting confused with the facts again

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> That’s why I asked.  I saw some discussions about this in another forum
> and was wondering, since I know there are a number of diesel folks that
> swear by Delo.  I thought it was regular dino oil, not synthetic.
>
> confused Dan
>
> > On Feb 10, 2016, at 10:32 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Well, according to Chevron:
> >
> > Delo 400 LE SAE 15W-40 is formulated with ISOSYN
> > ®
> > Technology. ISOSYN Technology is a combination of
> > premium base oils and high performance additives with
> > Chevron's formulating expertise that "Rivals Synthetic
> > Performance" and provides su
> > perb diesel engine parts
> > protection - all at an ou
> > tstanding value.
> >
> > Does the bottle say "synthetic" on it?
> >
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Back to the original question, if one desires to use an MB-approved oil (or
any other fluid/grease/additive), here's the definitive source (MB):

http://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/index.php?language_id=1

Rather clunky, you'll need to know exactly which sheet to look in, but the
info is there.

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Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 08:56:51 -0600
"Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"  wrote:

> It is full synthetic and is $19.99 a gallon at Wally World 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Feb 10, 2016, at 8:27 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > So can someone please clarify for me whether or not Delo 400 LE 15W-40 is a 
> > synthetic or not?  I always wondered, and there’s nothing in the name that 
> > would give it away as such.  Based on the price I see it selling for, I’m 
> > assuming it’s not, too.
> > 
> > Dan
~
This website has considerable data on this oil.

http://www.parmanenergy.com/sites/default/files/5W-30_launch_deck.pdf

Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Thats the 5w30, we were talking about 15w40 which is probably not synthetic. A 
cursory glance around that website doesn't show me any 15w40 info...
-Curt

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On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 08:56:51 -0600
"Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> It is full synthetic and is $19.99 a gallon at Wally World 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Feb 10, 2016, at 8:27 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> > <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > 
> > So can someone please clarify for me whether or not Delo 400 LE 15W-40 is a 
> > synthetic or not?  I always wondered, and there’s nothing in the name that 
> > would give it away as such.  Based on the price I see it selling for, I’m 
> > assuming it’s not, too.
> > 
> > Dan
~
This website has considerable data on this oil.

http://www.parmanenergy.com/sites/default/files/5W-30_launch_deck.pdf

Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

http://www.deloperformance.com/products/engine-oils.aspxsuggests the answer is 
no, the synthetics all say synthetic...
-Curt

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 Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 9:27 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
   
So can someone please clarify for me whether or not Delo 400 LE 15W-40 is a 
synthetic or not?  I always wondered, and there’s nothing in the name that 
would give it away as such.  Based on the price I see it selling for, I’m 
assuming it’s not, too.

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Dangit!ThatsthesecondtimeI'vedonethatinasmanyweeks...-Curt

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On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 15:25:45 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> http://www.deloperformance.com/products/engine-oils.aspxsuggests the
> answer is no, the synthetics all say synthetic... -Curt

You ran the word suggests into the end of the URL. It should be

http://www.deloperformance.com/products/engine-oils.aspx


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 15:25:45 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

> http://www.deloperformance.com/products/engine-oils.aspxsuggests the
> answer is no, the synthetics all say synthetic... -Curt

You ran the word suggests into the end of the URL. It should be

http://www.deloperformance.com/products/engine-oils.aspx


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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 19:40:59 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Dangit!ThatsthesecondtimeI'vedonethatinasmanyweeks...-Curt

Well, I forgive you.

I only pointed it out because some might not notice and click on the
original URL, get a 404 error, and complain on-list, as has happened
before.


Craig



>   From: Craig via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
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> Cc: Craig <diese...@pisquared.net>
>  Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 2:36 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
>
> On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 15:25:45 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > http://www.deloperformance.com/products/engine-oils.aspxsuggests the
> > answer is no, the synthetics all say synthetic... -Curt
> 
> You ran the word suggests into the end of the URL. It should be
> 
> http://www.deloperformance.com/products/engine-oils.aspx
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On February 9, 2016 at 10:05 PM clay via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> It gets really expensive to run the M1 for such low miles.

It depends. 
Twice a year I buy two jugs for about $25-27 each, and get a $10-12 rebate on
each one. 
That's not much money for 5 gallons a year. 

Mitch. 

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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[clay via Mercedes]

I like M1 15-50 for the older cars and diesels.   I am running it through 
Frosch for the past three years in an attempt to clear out 40 years of crud in 
the engine.  Just in case.  Once it flows out clean during the annual change, I 
figure I will move to Delo synth.



clay 

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On Feb 8, 2016, at 4:02 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

> Delo synthetic at Walmart is less than $20 a gallon.
> 
> On 2/8/2016 5:48 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> With Car Quest getting acquired by Advance they stopped carrying the Car 
>> Quest synthetic oil I had been using that carried the VW spec. I was at 
>> Autozone the other day and they had Turbo Diesel Truck on sale for $25/gal 
>> so I grabbed a gallon of that. I'd used the Car Quest stuff because it was 
>> $24/gal...
>> 
>> The Golf requires fancy oil to keep the cam from spinning off. The only 
>> stuff at FLAPs is a Valvoline stuff they want $8/qt for. ID Parts recommends 
>> Liqui Moly 4100 which Amazon has with free delivery: 
>> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001052HGE?psc=1=true_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00I
>>  ordered on a Wednesday and got it Friday.For $5 more ID Parts includes a 
>> filter and drain plug.
>> My VW guy put in 5w30 and the car has been consuming a quart in around 4,000 
>> miles. Since I put in the 5w40 Valvoline stuff it seems to be slowing down.
>> Theres a huge debate about 5w30 vs 5w40 in the BEW VWs, hotly contested...
>> -Curt
>> 
>>   From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>  To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin <ka...@striplin.net>
>>  Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 6:36 PM
>>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
>>For that car it has FSS so the most readily available oils will be M1 
>> turbo diesel truck or Chevron Delo 400le which is about $8 cheaper than M1 
>> and what I use.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 8, 2016, at 5:30 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have bought engine oil for only three diesel engines: OM615, OM616, and
>>> OM617.
>>> Now I have an OM606. What is the correct engine oil?
>>> 
>>> Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Yabbut Bob's is a 210 or 211, OM 606.  those take differ'nt oil than 
the old engines.


I like M1 15-50 for the older cars and diesels.   I am running it 
through Frosch for the past three years in an attempt to clear out 
40 years of crud in the engine.  Just in case.  Once it flows out 
clean during the annual change, I figure I will move to Delo synth.




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1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

They pulled the CF certification some time ago because it "was obsolete" which 
I think is BS. I used it even after they'd pulled the certification and the 
analysis came back the same as it did before.
Have you had an analysis pulled on the Delo? Without analysis the only thing 
you can really say is that the engine hasn't seized up yet, you don't really 
know whats going on inside.
I've softened considerably in my stance on oil, years ago I was hardcore for 
M1. Only M1 5w40 ESP meets the VW spec for my Jetta and I can't find it locally 
so I moved to the CarQuest brand which did sport the VW 501 I needed. With that 
gone I'm back to M1, I refuse to pay huge money for oil for that engine. M1 
doesn't have the spec only because they haven't applied for it
Where do you get Delo synthetic? I've never actually seen it for sale. If the 
answer is Wal-Mart that'd explain it.
-Curt

  From: Kaleb C. Striplin <ka...@striplin.net>
 To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 6:15 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
   
That m1 15w50 is not diesel rated is it? The Delo synthetic is as good as m1 as 
far as I can tell

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 9, 2016, at 5:03 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Why go to a cheaper/lower quality oil?
> I used 15w50 year round in the 240Ds since they both leaked less with it than 
> with 5w40. The 190Ds both got 5w40 since neither leaked terribly bad.When I 
> lived in the apartment and had the 240D in the winter 5w40 was critical...
> -Curt
> 
>      From: clay via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> Cc: clay <redgh...@comcast.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 5:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
> 
> I like M1 15-50 for the older cars and diesels.  I am running it through 
> Frosch for the past three years in an attempt to clear out 40 years of crud 
> in the engine.  Just in case.  Once it flows out clean during the annual 
> change, I figure I will move to Delo synth.
> 
> 
> 
> clay 
> 
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 8, 2016, at 4:02 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>> Delo synthetic at Walmart is less than $20 a gallon.
>> 
>>> On 2/8/2016 5:48 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>>> With Car Quest getting acquired by Advance they stopped carrying the Car 
>>> Quest synthetic oil I had been using that carried the VW spec. I was at 
>>> Autozone the other day and they had Turbo Diesel Truck on sale for $25/gal 
>>> so I grabbed a gallon of that. I'd used the Car Quest stuff because it was 
>>> $24/gal...
>>> 
>>> The Golf requires fancy oil to keep the cam from spinning off. The only 
>>> stuff at FLAPs is a Valvoline stuff they want $8/qt for. ID Parts 
>>> recommends Liqui Moly 4100 which Amazon has with free delivery: 
>>> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001052HGE?psc=1=true_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00I
>>>  ordered on a Wednesday and got it Friday.For $5 more ID Parts includes a 
>>> filter and drain plug.
>>> My VW guy put in 5w30 and the car has been consuming a quart in around 
>>> 4,000 miles. Since I put in the 5w40 Valvoline stuff it seems to be slowing 
>>> down.
>>> Theres a huge debate about 5w30 vs 5w40 in the BEW VWs, hotly contested...
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>>      From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercede

  
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Yeah I figured. I can't take the Walmartians, I try really, really hard not to 
darken their door.
-Curt

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Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin <ka...@striplin.net>
 Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 7:28 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
   
I get it at Walmart 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 9, 2016, at 5:56 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> They pulled the CF certification some time ago because it "was obsolete" 
> which I think is BS. I used it even after they'd pulled the certification and 
> the analysis came back the same as it did before.
> Have you had an analysis pulled on the Delo? Without analysis the only thing 
> you can really say is that the engine hasn't seized up yet, you don't really 
> know whats going on inside.
> I've softened considerably in my stance on oil, years ago I was hardcore for 
> M1. Only M1 5w40 ESP meets the VW spec for my Jetta and I can't find it 
> locally so I moved to the CarQuest brand which did sport the VW 501 I needed. 
> With that gone I'm back to M1, I refuse to pay huge money for oil for that 
> engine. M1 doesn't have the spec only because they haven't applied for it
> Where do you get Delo synthetic? I've never actually seen it for sale. If the 
> answer is Wal-Mart that'd explain it.
> -Curt
> 
>      From: Kaleb C. Striplin <ka...@striplin.net>
> To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 6:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
> 
> That m1 15w50 is not diesel rated is it? The Delo synthetic is as good as m1 
> as far as I can tell
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 9, 2016, at 5:03 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Why go to a cheaper/lower quality oil?
>> I used 15w50 year round in the 240Ds since they both leaked less with it 
>> than with 5w40. The 190Ds both got 5w40 since neither leaked terribly 
>> bad.When I lived in the apartment and had the 240D in the winter 5w40 was 
>> critical...
>> -Curt
>> 
>>      From: clay via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
>> Cc: clay <redgh...@comcast.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 5:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
>> 
>> I like M1 15-50 for the older cars and diesels.  I am running it through 
>> Frosch for the past three years in an attempt to clear out 40 years of crud 
>> in the engine.  Just in case.  Once it flows out clean during the annual 
>> change, I figure I will move to Delo synth.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> clay 
>> 
>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
>> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 8, 2016, at 4:02 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
>>> Delo synthetic at Walmart is less than $20 a gallon.
>>> 
>>>> On 2/8/2016 5:48 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>>>> With Car Quest getting acquired by Advance they stopped carrying the Car 
>>>> Quest synthetic oil I had been using that carried the VW spec. I was at 
>>>> Autozone the other day and they had Turbo Diesel Truck on sale for $25/gal 
>>>> so I grabbed a gallon of that. I'd used the Car Quest stuff because it was 
>>>> $24/gal...
>>>> 
>>>> The Golf requires fancy oil to keep the cam from spinning off. The only 
>>>> stuff at FLAPs is a Valvoline stuff they want $8/qt for. ID Parts 
>>>> recommends Liqui Moly 4100 which Amazon has with free delivery: 
>>>> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001052HGE?psc=1=true_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00I
>>>>  ordered on a Wednesday and got it Friday.For $5 more ID Parts includes a 
>>>> filter and drain plug.
>>>> My VW guy put in 5w30 and the car has been consuming a quart in around 
>>>> 4,000 miles. Since I put in the 5w40 Valvoline stuff it seems to be 
>>>> slowing down.
>>>> Theres a huge debate about 5w30 vs 5w40 in the BEW VWs, hotly contested...
>>>> 

Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[clay via Mercedes]

The labeling has changed look over the past decade.  It is being marketed as 
light truck diesel oil.  There should be ASTM stamp with a C rating.  I have 
not purchased in a few years as I am working through a few cases I had on hand 
for Gump and the E300D.

clay

On Feb 9, 2016, at 3:15 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

> That m1 15w50 is not diesel rated is it? The Delo synthetic is as good as m1 
> as far as I can tell
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 9, 2016, at 5:03 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Why go to a cheaper/lower quality oil?
>> I used 15w50 year round in the 240Ds since they both leaked less with it 
>> than with 5w40. The 190Ds both got 5w40 since neither leaked terribly 
>> bad.When I lived in the apartment and had the 240D in the winter 5w40 was 
>> critical...
>> -Curt
>> 
>> From: clay via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
>> Cc: clay <redgh...@comcast.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 5:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
>> 
>> I like M1 15-50 for the older cars and diesels.  I am running it through 
>> Frosch for the past three years in an attempt to clear out 40 years of crud 
>> in the engine.  Just in case.  Once it flows out clean during the annual 
>> change, I figure I will move to Delo synth.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> clay 
>> 
>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
>> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 8, 2016, at 4:02 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
>>> Delo synthetic at Walmart is less than $20 a gallon.
>>> 
>>>> On 2/8/2016 5:48 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>>>> With Car Quest getting acquired by Advance they stopped carrying the Car 
>>>> Quest synthetic oil I had been using that carried the VW spec. I was at 
>>>> Autozone the other day and they had Turbo Diesel Truck on sale for $25/gal 
>>>> so I grabbed a gallon of that. I'd used the Car Quest stuff because it was 
>>>> $24/gal...
>>>> 
>>>> The Golf requires fancy oil to keep the cam from spinning off. The only 
>>>> stuff at FLAPs is a Valvoline stuff they want $8/qt for. ID Parts 
>>>> recommends Liqui Moly 4100 which Amazon has with free delivery: 
>>>> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001052HGE?psc=1=true_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00I
>>>>  ordered on a Wednesday and got it Friday.For $5 more ID Parts includes a 
>>>> filter and drain plug.
>>>> My VW guy put in 5w30 and the car has been consuming a quart in around 
>>>> 4,000 miles. Since I put in the 5w40 Valvoline stuff it seems to be 
>>>> slowing down.
>>>> Theres a huge debate about 5w30 vs 5w40 in the BEW VWs, hotly contested...
>>>> -Curt
>>>> 
>>>>  From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercede
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 09/02/2016 4:20 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:

I like M1 15-50 for the older cars and diesels.   I am running it through 
Frosch for the past three years in an attempt to clear out 40 years of crud in 
the engine.  Just in case.  Once it flows out clean during the annual change, I 
figure I will move to Delo synth.



clay



Will it ever run out clean on an annual change?
I run M1 in my late model truck and it gets dirty after about 5K miles.
Not horrible but bad enough that I change it about then.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

That m1 15w50 is not diesel rated is it? The Delo synthetic is as good as m1 as 
far as I can tell

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 9, 2016, at 5:03 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Why go to a cheaper/lower quality oil?
> I used 15w50 year round in the 240Ds since they both leaked less with it than 
> with 5w40. The 190Ds both got 5w40 since neither leaked terribly bad.When I 
> lived in the apartment and had the 240D in the winter 5w40 was critical...
> -Curt
> 
>  From: clay via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> Cc: clay <redgh...@comcast.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 5:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
> 
> I like M1 15-50 for the older cars and diesels.  I am running it through 
> Frosch for the past three years in an attempt to clear out 40 years of crud 
> in the engine.  Just in case.  Once it flows out clean during the annual 
> change, I figure I will move to Delo synth.
> 
> 
> 
> clay 
> 
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 8, 2016, at 4:02 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>> Delo synthetic at Walmart is less than $20 a gallon.
>> 
>>> On 2/8/2016 5:48 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>>> With Car Quest getting acquired by Advance they stopped carrying the Car 
>>> Quest synthetic oil I had been using that carried the VW spec. I was at 
>>> Autozone the other day and they had Turbo Diesel Truck on sale for $25/gal 
>>> so I grabbed a gallon of that. I'd used the Car Quest stuff because it was 
>>> $24/gal...
>>> 
>>> The Golf requires fancy oil to keep the cam from spinning off. The only 
>>> stuff at FLAPs is a Valvoline stuff they want $8/qt for. ID Parts 
>>> recommends Liqui Moly 4100 which Amazon has with free delivery: 
>>> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001052HGE?psc=1=true_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00I
>>>  ordered on a Wednesday and got it Friday.For $5 more ID Parts includes a 
>>> filter and drain plug.
>>> My VW guy put in 5w30 and the car has been consuming a quart in around 
>>> 4,000 miles. Since I put in the 5w40 Valvoline stuff it seems to be slowing 
>>> down.
>>> Theres a huge debate about 5w30 vs 5w40 in the BEW VWs, hotly contested...
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>>   From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercede

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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Depends on what engine for my Golf with the BEW engine, no.The BEW is a "Pump 
Deuse" with the injectors being fired by the cam shaft, no injection pump on 
that one. This puts extra load on each cam lobe, in this case convention oil = 
flat cam lobes and much sadness.
Also remember some of us drive a helluva lot more than others. With synthetic 
oil and 10k mile changes I change the oil in my car twice a year, her car and 
the pickup annually. At even 5k changes I'd be changing oil almost every month. 
If you really like changing oil knock yourself out. I suppose you use one of 
those places that has a nice waiting room with donuts, next time you're there 
have one for me. ;)
-Curt

  From: Randy Bennell <rbenn...@bennell.ca>
 To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 7:09 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
   
On 09/02/2016 5:56 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> They pulled the CF certification some time ago because it "was obsolete" 
> which I think is BS. I used it even after they'd pulled the certification and 
> the analysis came back the same as it did before.
> Have you had an analysis pulled on the Delo? Without analysis the only thing 
> you can really say is that the engine hasn't seized up yet, you don't really 
> know whats going on inside.
> I've softened considerably in my stance on oil, years ago I was hardcore for 
> M1. Only M1 5w40 ESP meets the VW spec for my Jetta and I can't find it 
> locally so I moved to the CarQuest brand which did sport the VW 501 I needed. 
> With that gone I'm back to M1, I refuse to pay huge money for oil for that 
> engine. M1 doesn't have the spec only because they haven't applied for it
> Where do you get Delo synthetic? I've never actually seen it for sale. If the 
> answer is Wal-Mart that'd explain it.
> -Curt
>
>
I doubt that synthetic oil is any better most of the time. It may be 
better on a cold start and maybe better on a really hot day when you are 
running the ac wide open etc.
Most of the time, we don't have those situations - at least here in the GWN.
I keep my truck plugged in over night when it is cold out so that should 
help some.

I blew a head gasket on a Taurus V6 years ago and had to pull it apart.
The inside of the engine was clean and showed no wear that I could see.
I don't recall the miles on the car but it was around a 100K miles.
It never saw a drop of synthetic oil.
The hype on synthetic makes us want it but you have to wonder if it is 
truly as great as they want us to think it is.
If you want to run higher miles between changes, maybe it is?
But, if you run less expensive oil, you can better afford to change it 
more often so it may not make much difference in the long run.

RB


   
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I get it at Walmart 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 9, 2016, at 5:56 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> They pulled the CF certification some time ago because it "was obsolete" 
> which I think is BS. I used it even after they'd pulled the certification and 
> the analysis came back the same as it did before.
> Have you had an analysis pulled on the Delo? Without analysis the only thing 
> you can really say is that the engine hasn't seized up yet, you don't really 
> know whats going on inside.
> I've softened considerably in my stance on oil, years ago I was hardcore for 
> M1. Only M1 5w40 ESP meets the VW spec for my Jetta and I can't find it 
> locally so I moved to the CarQuest brand which did sport the VW 501 I needed. 
> With that gone I'm back to M1, I refuse to pay huge money for oil for that 
> engine. M1 doesn't have the spec only because they haven't applied for it
> Where do you get Delo synthetic? I've never actually seen it for sale. If the 
> answer is Wal-Mart that'd explain it.
> -Curt
> 
>  From: Kaleb C. Striplin <ka...@striplin.net>
> To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 6:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
> 
> That m1 15w50 is not diesel rated is it? The Delo synthetic is as good as m1 
> as far as I can tell
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 9, 2016, at 5:03 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Why go to a cheaper/lower quality oil?
>> I used 15w50 year round in the 240Ds since they both leaked less with it 
>> than with 5w40. The 190Ds both got 5w40 since neither leaked terribly 
>> bad.When I lived in the apartment and had the 240D in the winter 5w40 was 
>> critical...
>> -Curt
>> 
>>   From: clay via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
>> Cc: clay <redgh...@comcast.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 5:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
>> 
>> I like M1 15-50 for the older cars and diesels.  I am running it through 
>> Frosch for the past three years in an attempt to clear out 40 years of crud 
>> in the engine.  Just in case.  Once it flows out clean during the annual 
>> change, I figure I will move to Delo synth.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> clay 
>> 
>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
>> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 8, 2016, at 4:02 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
>>> Delo synthetic at Walmart is less than $20 a gallon.
>>> 
>>>> On 2/8/2016 5:48 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>>>> With Car Quest getting acquired by Advance they stopped carrying the Car 
>>>> Quest synthetic oil I had been using that carried the VW spec. I was at 
>>>> Autozone the other day and they had Turbo Diesel Truck on sale for $25/gal 
>>>> so I grabbed a gallon of that. I'd used the Car Quest stuff because it was 
>>>> $24/gal...
>>>> 
>>>> The Golf requires fancy oil to keep the cam from spinning off. The only 
>>>> stuff at FLAPs is a Valvoline stuff they want $8/qt for. ID Parts 
>>>> recommends Liqui Moly 4100 which Amazon has with free delivery: 
>>>> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001052HGE?psc=1=true_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00I
>>>>  ordered on a Wednesday and got it Friday.For $5 more ID Parts includes a 
>>>> filter and drain plug.
>>>> My VW guy put in 5w30 and the car has been consuming a quart in around 
>>>> 4,000 miles. Since I put in the 5w40 Valvoline stuff it seems to be 
>>>> slowing down.
>>>> Theres a huge debate about 5w30 vs 5w40 in the BEW VWs, hotly contested...
>>>> -Curt
>>>> 
>>>>   From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercede
> 
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[clay via Mercedes]

It is coming out black, but getting lighter with each change.  First change 
resulted in near immediate change to diesel black on the stick after ten miles. 
 Now it remains amber for far longer.  Since I am only getting 2500 miles per 
annum, I make sure if she goes out, she goes OUT! for a long drive at speed.  
Hot enough to deal with most condensation.I doubt I will get 'clean' at a 
change, I aim for deep maple instead of french roast, and slight opacity over 
occluded.

clay

On Feb 9, 2016, at 3:07 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

> On 09/02/2016 4:20 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:
>> I like M1 15-50 for the older cars and diesels.   I am running it through 
>> Frosch for the past three years in an attempt to clear out 40 years of crud 
>> in the engine.  Just in case.  Once it flows out clean during the annual 
>> change, I figure I will move to Delo synth.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 
> Will it ever run out clean on an annual change?
> I run M1 in my late model truck and it gets dirty after about 5K miles.
> Not horrible but bad enough that I change it about then.
> 
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

New bottles don't have a C rating. I emailed Mobil and they claim it still 
meets CF but they dropped it because its obsolete. I seem to remember reading 
somewhere that once a standard was obsoleted the oil manufacturers weren't 
allowed to use it anymore which seems silly to me...
-Curt

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 To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
Cc: clay <redgh...@comcast.net>
 Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 7:43 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
   
The labeling has changed look over the past decade.  It is being marketed as 
light truck diesel oil.  There should be ASTM stamp with a C rating.  I have 
not purchased in a few years as I am working through a few cases I had on hand 
for Gump and the E300D.

clay

On Feb 9, 2016, at 3:15 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

> That m1 15w50 is not diesel rated is it? The Delo synthetic is as good as m1 
> as far as I can tell
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 9, 2016, at 5:03 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Why go to a cheaper/lower quality oil?
>> I used 15w50 year round in the 240Ds since they both leaked less with it 
>> than with 5w40. The 190Ds both got 5w40 since neither leaked terribly 
>> bad.When I lived in the apartment and had the 240D in the winter 5w40 was 
>> critical...
>> -Curt
>> 
>>    From: clay via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
>> Cc: clay <redgh...@comcast.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 5:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
>> 
>> I like M1 15-50 for the older cars and diesels.  I am running it through 
>> Frosch for the past three years in an attempt to clear out 40 years of crud 
>> in the engine.  Just in case.  Once it flows out clean during the annual 
>> change, I figure I will move to Delo synth.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> clay 
>> 
>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
>> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 8, 2016, at 4:02 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
>>> Delo synthetic at Walmart is less than $20 a gallon.
>>> 
>>>> On 2/8/2016 5:48 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>>>> With Car Quest getting acquired by Advance they stopped carrying the Car 
>>>> Quest synthetic oil I had been using that carried the VW spec. I was at 
>>>> Autozone the other day and they had Turbo Diesel Truck on sale for $25/gal 
>>>> so I grabbed a gallon of that. I'd used the Car Quest stuff because it was 
>>>> $24/gal...
>>>> 
>>>> The Golf requires fancy oil to keep the cam from spinning off. The only 
>>>> stuff at FLAPs is a Valvoline stuff they want $8/qt for. ID Parts 
>>>> recommends Liqui Moly 4100 which Amazon has with free delivery: 
>>>> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001052HGE?psc=1=true_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00I
>>>>  ordered on a Wednesday and got it Friday.For $5 more ID Parts includes a 
>>>> filter and drain plug.
>>>> My VW guy put in 5w30 and the car has been consuming a quart in around 
>>>> 4,000 miles. Since I put in the 5w40 Valvoline stuff it seems to be 
>>>> slowing down.
>>>> Theres a huge debate about 5w30 vs 5w40 in the BEW VWs, hotly contested...
>>>> -Curt
>>>> 
>>>>      From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercede
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Have you had analysis done to know exactly what the schmoo is?
My '85 190D had high iron levels when I got it that went down with each 
subsequent oil change until it would stay normal through a 10,000 mile run. The 
previous owner was kinda on the sketchy side...
-Curt

  From: clay via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
Cc: clay <redgh...@comcast.net>
 Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 7:40 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
   
It is coming out black, but getting lighter with each change.  First change 
resulted in near immediate change to diesel black on the stick after ten miles. 
 Now it remains amber for far longer.  Since I am only getting 2500 miles per 
annum, I make sure if she goes out, she goes OUT! for a long drive at speed.  
Hot enough to deal with most condensation.    I doubt I will get 'clean' at a 
change, I aim for deep maple instead of french roast, and slight opacity over 
occluded.

clay

On Feb 9, 2016, at 3:07 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

> On 09/02/2016 4:20 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:
>> I like M1 15-50 for the older cars and diesels.  I am running it through 
>> Frosch for the past three years in an attempt to clear out 40 years of crud 
>> in the engine.  Just in case.  Once it flows out clean during the annual 
>> change, I figure I will move to Delo synth.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 
> Will it ever run out clean on an annual change?
> I run M1 in my late model truck and it gets dirty after about 5K miles.
> Not horrible but bad enough that I change it about then.
> 
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

So is the Delo synthetic best for engines like the OM603, or “regular” Delo 400 
LE 15W-40?

Aren’t there some issues with the proper amount or lack of zinc in some of the 
synthetics?

Dan


> On Feb 9, 2016, at 8:12 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I have used M1 15w-50 in my OM602 for 10 years. I do a lot of highway
> driving so I like the 50. I change @ 11 or 12k. I add 1 qt ca 7k. I have
> put 140k on it using this. I use 5-40 in my OM617 & in the 616's I had.
> YMMV.
> I like an oil thread now & again.
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> 1982 300CD
> 1990 300D
> Wickford RI
> On Feb 9, 2016 5:20 PM, "clay via Mercedes"  wrote:
> 
>> I like M1 15-50 for the older cars and diesels.   I am running it through
>> Frosch for the past three years in an attempt to clear out 40 years of crud
>> in the engine.  Just in case.  Once it flows out clean during the annual
>> change, I figure I will move to Delo synth.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
>> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers


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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Why go to a cheaper/lower quality oil?
I used 15w50 year round in the 240Ds since they both leaked less with it than 
with 5w40. The 190Ds both got 5w40 since neither leaked terribly bad.When I 
lived in the apartment and had the 240D in the winter 5w40 was critical...
-Curt

  From: clay via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
Cc: clay <redgh...@comcast.net>
 Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 5:20 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
   
I like M1 15-50 for the older cars and diesels.  I am running it through Frosch 
for the past three years in an attempt to clear out 40 years of crud in the 
engine.  Just in case.  Once it flows out clean during the annual change, I 
figure I will move to Delo synth.



clay 

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








On Feb 8, 2016, at 4:02 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

> Delo synthetic at Walmart is less than $20 a gallon.
> 
> On 2/8/2016 5:48 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> With Car Quest getting acquired by Advance they stopped carrying the Car 
>> Quest synthetic oil I had been using that carried the VW spec. I was at 
>> Autozone the other day and they had Turbo Diesel Truck on sale for $25/gal 
>> so I grabbed a gallon of that. I'd used the Car Quest stuff because it was 
>> $24/gal...
>> 
>> The Golf requires fancy oil to keep the cam from spinning off. The only 
>> stuff at FLAPs is a Valvoline stuff they want $8/qt for. ID Parts recommends 
>> Liqui Moly 4100 which Amazon has with free delivery: 
>> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001052HGE?psc=1=true_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00I
>>  ordered on a Wednesday and got it Friday.For $5 more ID Parts includes a 
>> filter and drain plug.
>> My VW guy put in 5w30 and the car has been consuming a quart in around 4,000 
>> miles. Since I put in the 5w40 Valvoline stuff it seems to be slowing down.
>> Theres a huge debate about 5w30 vs 5w40 in the BEW VWs, hotly contested...
>> -Curt
>> 
>>      From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>  To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin <ka...@striplin.net>
>>  Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 6:36 PM
>>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
>>    For that car it has FSS so the most readily available oils will be M1 
>>turbo diesel truck or Chevron Delo 400le which is about $8 cheaper than M1 
>>and what I use.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 8, 2016, at 5:30 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have bought engine oil for only three diesel engines: OM615, OM616, and
>>> OM617.
>>> Now I have an OM606. What is the correct engine oil?
>>> 
>>> Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[clay via Mercedes]

I used the M1 stuff in the OM606 in the E300D.  It was the most current 
recommended for the car in 2013.  I had a few cases left on the shelf when I 
had to sell the car. Waste not, want not.

clay



On Feb 9, 2016, at 2:34 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:

> Yabbut Bob's is a 210 or 211, OM 606.  those take differ'nt oil than the old 
> engines.
> 
>> I like M1 15-50 for the older cars and diesels.   I am running it through 
>> Frosch for the past three years in an attempt to clear out 40 years of crud 
>> in the engine.  Just in case.  Once it flows out clean during the annual 
>> change, I figure I will move to Delo synth.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
>> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

I have used M1 15w-50 in my OM602 for 10 years. I do a lot of highway
driving so I like the 50. I change @ 11 or 12k. I add 1 qt ca 7k. I have
put 140k on it using this. I use 5-40 in my OM617 & in the 616's I had.
YMMV.
I like an oil thread now & again.

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
1990 300D
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On Feb 9, 2016 5:20 PM, "clay via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I like M1 15-50 for the older cars and diesels.   I am running it through
> Frosch for the past three years in an attempt to clear out 40 years of crud
> in the engine.  Just in case.  Once it flows out clean during the annual
> change, I figure I will move to Delo synth.
>
>
>
> clay
>
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 8, 2016, at 4:02 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>
> > Delo synthetic at Walmart is less than $20 a gallon.
> >
> > On 2/8/2016 5:48 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> >> With Car Quest getting acquired by Advance they stopped carrying the
> Car Quest synthetic oil I had been using that carried the VW spec. I was at
> Autozone the other day and they had Turbo Diesel Truck on sale for $25/gal
> so I grabbed a gallon of that. I'd used the Car Quest stuff because it was
> $24/gal...
> >>
> >> The Golf requires fancy oil to keep the cam from spinning off. The only
> stuff at FLAPs is a Valvoline stuff they want $8/qt for. ID Parts
> recommends Liqui Moly 4100 which Amazon has with free delivery:
> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001052HGE?psc=1=true_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00I
> ordered on a Wednesday and got it Friday.For $5 more ID Parts includes a
> filter and drain plug.
> >> My VW guy put in 5w30 and the car has been consuming a quart in around
> 4,000 miles. Since I put in the 5w40 Valvoline stuff it seems to be slowing
> down.
> >> Theres a huge debate about 5w30 vs 5w40 in the BEW VWs, hotly
> contested...
> >> -Curt
> >>
> >>   From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >>  To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >> Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin <ka...@striplin.net>
> >>  Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 6:36 PM
> >>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
> >>For that car it has FSS so the most readily available oils will be
> M1 turbo diesel truck or Chevron Delo 400le which is about $8 cheaper than
> M1 and what I use.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Feb 8, 2016, at 5:30 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I have bought engine oil for only three diesel engines: OM615, OM616,
> and
> >>> OM617.
> >>> Now I have an OM606. What is the correct engine oil?
> >>>
> >>> Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

How do you judge "dirty"?
I'm running most everything on a 10k change which is whats recommended in the 
VWs and what oil analysis supports in the Dodge Ram.
We know from our diesels that looking at the oil tells you nothing.
-Curt

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 Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 6:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
   
On 09/02/2016 4:20 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:
> I like M1 15-50 for the older cars and diesels.  I am running it through 
> Frosch for the past three years in an attempt to clear out 40 years of crud 
> in the engine.  Just in case.  Once it flows out clean during the annual 
> change, I figure I will move to Delo synth.
>
>
>
> clay
>
>
Will it ever run out clean on an annual change?
I run M1 in my late model truck and it gets dirty after about 5K miles.
Not horrible but bad enough that I change it about then.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 09/02/2016 5:56 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

They pulled the CF certification some time ago because it "was obsolete" which 
I think is BS. I used it even after they'd pulled the certification and the analysis came 
back the same as it did before.
Have you had an analysis pulled on the Delo? Without analysis the only thing 
you can really say is that the engine hasn't seized up yet, you don't really 
know whats going on inside.
I've softened considerably in my stance on oil, years ago I was hardcore for 
M1. Only M1 5w40 ESP meets the VW spec for my Jetta and I can't find it locally 
so I moved to the CarQuest brand which did sport the VW 501 I needed. With that 
gone I'm back to M1, I refuse to pay huge money for oil for that engine. M1 
doesn't have the spec only because they haven't applied for it
Where do you get Delo synthetic? I've never actually seen it for sale. If the 
answer is Wal-Mart that'd explain it.
-Curt


I doubt that synthetic oil is any better most of the time. It may be 
better on a cold start and maybe better on a really hot day when you are 
running the ac wide open etc.

Most of the time, we don't have those situations - at least here in the GWN.
I keep my truck plugged in over night when it is cold out so that should 
help some.


I blew a head gasket on a Taurus V6 years ago and had to pull it apart.
The inside of the engine was clean and showed no wear that I could see.
I don't recall the miles on the car but it was around a 100K miles.
It never saw a drop of synthetic oil.
The hype on synthetic makes us want it but you have to wonder if it is 
truly as great as they want us to think it is.

If you want to run higher miles between changes, maybe it is?
But, if you run less expensive oil, you can better afford to change it 
more often so it may not make much difference in the long run.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[clay via Mercedes]

I am thinking the stuff will stick to the metal bits longer than the dino oil 
does.  SL does not get out much, so having that initial lubrication is a must 
at start up. The car had not been run much between 2002 and when I got her in 
2012.  Record showed she had service prior to that, but no indications of 
additives that would clean her up.  Mostly regular visits to lube joints.

clay



On Feb 9, 2016, at 4:09 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

> On 09/02/2016 5:56 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> They pulled the CF certification some time ago because it "was obsolete" 
>> which I think is BS. I used it even after they'd pulled the certification 
>> and the analysis came back the same as it did before.
>> Have you had an analysis pulled on the Delo? Without analysis the only thing 
>> you can really say is that the engine hasn't seized up yet, you don't really 
>> know whats going on inside.
>> I've softened considerably in my stance on oil, years ago I was hardcore for 
>> M1. Only M1 5w40 ESP meets the VW spec for my Jetta and I can't find it 
>> locally so I moved to the CarQuest brand which did sport the VW 501 I 
>> needed. With that gone I'm back to M1, I refuse to pay huge money for oil 
>> for that engine. M1 doesn't have the spec only because they haven't applied 
>> for it
>> Where do you get Delo synthetic? I've never actually seen it for sale. If 
>> the answer is Wal-Mart that'd explain it.
>> -Curt
>> 
>> 
> I doubt that synthetic oil is any better most of the time. It may be better 
> on a cold start and maybe better on a really hot day when you are running the 
> ac wide open etc.
> Most of the time, we don't have those situations - at least here in the GWN.
> I keep my truck plugged in over night when it is cold out so that should help 
> some.
> 
> I blew a head gasket on a Taurus V6 years ago and had to pull it apart.
> The inside of the engine was clean and showed no wear that I could see.
> I don't recall the miles on the car but it was around a 100K miles.
> It never saw a drop of synthetic oil.
> The hype on synthetic makes us want it but you have to wonder if it is truly 
> as great as they want us to think it is.
> If you want to run higher miles between changes, maybe it is?
> But, if you run less expensive oil, you can better afford to change it more 
> often so it may not make much difference in the long run.
> 
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

So is the Delo synthetic best for engines like the OM603, or 
"regular" Delo 400 LE 15W-40?


Aren't there some issues with the proper amount or lack of zinc in 
some of the synthetics?


Dan



We need to contact Larry our oil expert.  He was having trouble with 
his comcast email.  I don't think he ever got a gmail acct to set 
things right.   He could answer the zinc questions.


Last I knew only the M1 15w50 had the right zinc levels for the 
OM603/2/1 engines. (among commonly available oils)


It is hard to find even at mercado de walls nowdays.

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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[clay via Mercedes]

I have not done any analysis since there is so little use on the car, and I 
want to see how much hope and change I get with each oil swap.  I would 
probably send it in at the last M1 drain, and then again the next swap out with 
less expensive goo.  

clay

On Feb 9, 2016, at 4:48 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

> Have you had analysis done to know exactly what the schmoo is?
> My '85 190D had high iron levels when I got it that went down with each 
> subsequent oil change until it would stay normal through a 10,000 mile run. 
> The previous owner was kinda on the sketchy side...
> -Curt
> 
>  From: clay via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
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> Cc: clay <redgh...@comcast.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 7:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
> 
> It is coming out black, but getting lighter with each change.  First change 
> resulted in near immediate change to diesel black on the stick after ten 
> miles.  Now it remains amber for far longer.  Since I am only getting 2500 
> miles per annum, I make sure if she goes out, she goes OUT! for a long drive 
> at speed.  Hot enough to deal with most condensation.I doubt I will get 
> 'clean' at a change, I aim for deep maple instead of french roast, and slight 
> opacity over occluded.
> 
> clay
> 
> On Feb 9, 2016, at 3:07 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
> 
>> On 09/02/2016 4:20 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I like M1 15-50 for the older cars and diesels.  I am running it through 
>>> Frosch for the past three years in an attempt to clear out 40 years of crud 
>>> in the engine.  Just in case.  Once it flows out clean during the annual 
>>> change, I figure I will move to Delo synth.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> clay
>>> 
>>> 
>> Will it ever run out clean on an annual change?
>> I run M1 in my late model truck and it gets dirty after about 5K miles.
>> Not horrible but bad enough that I change it about then.
>> 
>> RB
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[clay via Mercedes]

Hmmm, so it still rates as Compression grade, just not visible on the bottle



On Feb 9, 2016, at 4:49 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

> New bottles don't have a C rating. I emailed Mobil and they claim it still 
> meets CF but they dropped it because its obsolete. I seem to remember reading 
> somewhere that once a standard was obsoleted the oil manufacturers weren't 
> allowed to use it anymore which seems silly to me...
> -Curt
> 
>  From: clay via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
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> Cc: clay <redgh...@comcast.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 7:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
> 
> The labeling has changed look over the past decade.  It is being marketed as 
> light truck diesel oil.  There should be ASTM stamp with a C rating.  I have 
> not purchased in a few years as I am working through a few cases I had on 
> hand for Gump and the E300D.
> 
> clay
> 
> On Feb 9, 2016, at 3:15 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> 
>> That m1 15w50 is not diesel rated is it? The Delo synthetic is as good as m1 
>> as far as I can tell
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 9, 2016, at 5:03 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Why go to a cheaper/lower quality oil?
>>> I used 15w50 year round in the 240Ds since they both leaked less with it 
>>> than with 5w40. The 190Ds both got 5w40 since neither leaked terribly 
>>> bad.When I lived in the apartment and had the 240D in the winter 5w40 was 
>>> critical...
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>>     From: clay via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
>>> Cc: clay <redgh...@comcast.net>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 5:20 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
>>> 
>>> I like M1 15-50 for the older cars and diesels.  I am running it through 
>>> Frosch for the past three years in an attempt to clear out 40 years of crud 
>>> in the engine.  Just in case.  Once it flows out clean during the annual 
>>> change, I figure I will move to Delo synth.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> clay 
>>> 
>>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
>>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>>> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
>>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
>>> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
>>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 8, 2016, at 4:02 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Delo synthetic at Walmart is less than $20 a gallon.
>>>> 
>>>>> On 2/8/2016 5:48 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>> With Car Quest getting acquired by Advance they stopped carrying the Car 
>>>>> Quest synthetic oil I had been using that carried the VW spec. I was at 
>>>>> Autozone the other day and they had Turbo Diesel Truck on sale for 
>>>>> $25/gal so I grabbed a gallon of that. I'd used the Car Quest stuff 
>>>>> because it was $24/gal...
>>>>> 
>>>>> The Golf requires fancy oil to keep the cam from spinning off. The only 
>>>>> stuff at FLAPs is a Valvoline stuff they want $8/qt for. ID Parts 
>>>>> recommends Liqui Moly 4100 which Amazon has with free delivery: 
>>>>> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001052HGE?psc=1=true_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00I
>>>>>  ordered on a Wednesday and got it Friday.For $5 more ID Parts includes a 
>>>>> filter and drain plug.
>>>>> My VW guy put in 5w30 and the car has been consuming a quart in around 
>>>>> 4,000 miles. Since I put in the 5w40 Valvoline stuff it seems to be 
>>>>> slowing down.
>>>>> Theres a huge debate about 5w30 vs 5w40 in the BEW VWs, hotly contested...
>>>>> -Curt
>>>>> 
>>>>>   From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercede
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[clay via Mercedes]

I think the zinc is a bigger issue for the older cars that used to run on 
leaded, or diesels.  The newer stuff probably does not need that formulation.  
I seem to recall Marshall saying that the OM603 was not dependent on the older 
formulations and the current (2004 era) oils were just fine.  I have no idea 
what the newest oils lack or provide

clay



On Feb 9, 2016, at 5:37 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

> So is the Delo synthetic best for engines like the OM603, or “regular” Delo 
> 400 LE 15W-40?
> 
> Aren’t there some issues with the proper amount or lack of zinc in some of 
> the synthetics?
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Feb 9, 2016, at 8:12 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I have used M1 15w-50 in my OM602 for 10 years. I do a lot of highway
>> driving so I like the 50. I change @ 11 or 12k. I add 1 qt ca 7k. I have
>> put 140k on it using this. I use 5-40 in my OM617 & in the 616's I had.
>> YMMV.
>> I like an oil thread now & again.
>> 
>> Dwight Giles Jr.
>> 1982 300CD
>> 1990 300D
>> Wickford RI
>> On Feb 9, 2016 5:20 PM, "clay via Mercedes"  wrote:
>> 
>>> I like M1 15-50 for the older cars and diesels.   I am running it through
>>> Frosch for the past three years in an attempt to clear out 40 years of crud
>>> in the engine.  Just in case.  Once it flows out clean during the annual
>>> change, I figure I will move to Delo synth.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> clay
>>> 
>>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
>>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>>> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
>>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
>>> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
>>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> 
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

If you only change the oil once a year you realize you'll be saving maybe $10 a 
year right?
-Curt


  From: clay <redgh...@comcast.net>
 To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 8:51 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
   
I have not done any analysis since there is so little use on the car, and I 
want to see how much hope and change I get with each oil swap.  I would 
probably send it in at the last M1 drain, and then again the next swap out with 
less expensive goo.  

clay

On Feb 9, 2016, at 4:48 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

> Have you had analysis done to know exactly what the schmoo is?
> My '85 190D had high iron levels when I got it that went down with each 
> subsequent oil change until it would stay normal through a 10,000 mile run. 
> The previous owner was kinda on the sketchy side...
> -Curt
> 
>      From: clay via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> Cc: clay <redgh...@comcast.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 7:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
> 
> It is coming out black, but getting lighter with each change.  First change 
> resulted in near immediate change to diesel black on the stick after ten 
> miles.  Now it remains amber for far longer.  Since I am only getting 2500 
> miles per annum, I make sure if she goes out, she goes OUT! for a long drive 
> at speed.  Hot enough to deal with most condensation.    I doubt I will get 
> 'clean' at a change, I aim for deep maple instead of french roast, and slight 
> opacity over occluded.
> 
> clay
> 
> On Feb 9, 2016, at 3:07 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
> 
>> On 09/02/2016 4:20 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I like M1 15-50 for the older cars and diesels.  I am running it through 
>>> Frosch for the past three years in an attempt to clear out 40 years of crud 
>>> in the engine.  Just in case.  Once it flows out clean during the annual 
>>> change, I figure I will move to Delo synth.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> clay
>>> 
>>> 
>> Will it ever run out clean on an annual change?
>> I run M1 in my late model truck and it gets dirty after about 5K miles.
>> Not horrible but bad enough that I change it about then.
>> 
>> RB
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

The 60x engines are far from the flat tappet engines of yesteryear. I was 
thinking MAYBE the 61x engines might benefit 

As of Sept 14 Mobil says the 15w50 has 1300ppm zinc while the 5w40 turbo diesel 
truck has 1250ppm. Not a big difference. 0w40 comes in at 1100. The lowest are 
the fuel economy ones at 750ppm.
https://mobiloil.com/~/media/amer/us/pvl/files/pdfs/mobil-1-oil-product-specs-guide.pdf
-Curt


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Cc: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 8:52 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
   
>So is the Delo synthetic best for engines like the OM603, or 
>"regular" Delo 400 LE 15W-40?
>
>Aren't there some issues with the proper amount or lack of zinc in 
>some of the synthetics?
>
>Dan
>

We need to contact Larry our oil expert.  He was having trouble with 
his comcast email.  I don't think he ever got a gmail acct to set 
things right.  He could answer the zinc questions.

Last I knew only the M1 15w50 had the right zinc levels for the 
OM603/2/1 engines. (among commonly available oils)

It is hard to find even at mercado de walls nowdays.

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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[clay via Mercedes]

It gets really expensive to run the M1 for such low miles.  Froggy is classic 
car plated, so very little usage with annual oil change.   If I had an old 
diesel (like a 220D) I would consider sharing it out, since it would have less 
than 2500 miles wear.

clay



On Feb 9, 2016, at 3:03 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

> Why go to a cheaper/lower quality oil?
> I used 15w50 year round in the 240Ds since they both leaked less with it than 
> with 5w40. The 190Ds both got 5w40 since neither leaked terribly bad.When I 
> lived in the apartment and had the 240D in the winter 5w40 was critical...
> -Curt
> 
>  From: clay via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
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> Cc: clay <redgh...@comcast.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 5:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
> 
> I like M1 15-50 for the older cars and diesels.  I am running it through 
> Frosch for the past three years in an attempt to clear out 40 years of crud 
> in the engine.  Just in case.  Once it flows out clean during the annual 
> change, I figure I will move to Delo synth.
> 
> 
> 
> clay 
> 
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 8, 2016, at 4:02 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> 
>> Delo synthetic at Walmart is less than $20 a gallon.
>> 
>> On 2/8/2016 5:48 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>>> With Car Quest getting acquired by Advance they stopped carrying the Car 
>>> Quest synthetic oil I had been using that carried the VW spec. I was at 
>>> Autozone the other day and they had Turbo Diesel Truck on sale for $25/gal 
>>> so I grabbed a gallon of that. I'd used the Car Quest stuff because it was 
>>> $24/gal...
>>> 
>>> The Golf requires fancy oil to keep the cam from spinning off. The only 
>>> stuff at FLAPs is a Valvoline stuff they want $8/qt for. ID Parts 
>>> recommends Liqui Moly 4100 which Amazon has with free delivery: 
>>> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001052HGE?psc=1=true_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00I
>>>  ordered on a Wednesday and got it Friday.For $5 more ID Parts includes a 
>>> filter and drain plug.
>>> My VW guy put in 5w30 and the car has been consuming a quart in around 
>>> 4,000 miles. Since I put in the 5w40 Valvoline stuff it seems to be slowing 
>>> down.
>>> Theres a huge debate about 5w30 vs 5w40 in the BEW VWs, hotly contested...
>>> -Curt
>>> 
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>>>   To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>> Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin <ka...@striplin.net>
>>>   Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 6:36 PM
>>>   Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
>>> For that car it has FSS so the most readily available oils will be M1 
>>> turbo diesel truck or Chevron Delo 400le which is about $8 cheaper than M1 
>>> and what I use.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 8, 2016, at 5:30 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I have bought engine oil for only three diesel engines: OM615, OM616, and
>>>> OM617.
>>>> Now I have an OM606. What is the correct engine oil?
>>>> 
>>>> Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Randy wrote:
> 
> I doubt that synthetic oil is any better most of the time.

Not true.  Especially a group IV synthetic.  The point of the
synthetic is the lack "junk".  All the oil molecules are the
chosen ones - not just a majority like a typical dino oil.

> If you want to run higher miles between changes, maybe it
> is? But, if you run less expensive oil, you can better
> afford to change it more often so it may not make much
> difference in the long run.

Marshall had proven to himself that with M1 the timing chain
didn't have measurable wear.  I can buy M1 for twice the
price of dino and confidently have twice the miles between
changes.  But I gain cold start and less wear with the M1 -
so why not?

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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

ZDDP only really matters in flat tappet engines.
AFAIK diesel oils are generally high ZDDP oils...
-Curt


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 Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 8:37 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
   
So is the Delo synthetic best for engines like the OM603, or “regular” Delo 400 
LE 15W-40?

Aren’t there some issues with the proper amount or lack of zinc in some of the 
synthetics?

Dan


> On Feb 9, 2016, at 8:12 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I have used M1 15w-50 in my OM602 for 10 years. I do a lot of highway
> driving so I like the 50. I change @ 11 or 12k. I add 1 qt ca 7k. I have
> put 140k on it using this. I use 5-40 in my OM617 & in the 616's I had.
> YMMV.
> I like an oil thread now & again.
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> 1982 300CD
> 1990 300D
> Wickford RI
> On Feb 9, 2016 5:20 PM, "clay via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I like M1 15-50 for the older cars and diesels.  I am running it through
>> Frosch for the past three years in an attempt to clear out 40 years of crud
>> in the engine.  Just in case.  Once it flows out clean during the annual
>> change, I figure I will move to Delo synth.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
>> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers


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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[clay via Mercedes]

The less expensive oil comes to $0.01 per mile driven, instead of $0.24 with 
M1.  That is around $30 between not M1 and Mobil 1 for a change if I never 
drove the SL at all.  On a higher mileage basis, I would probably be even, 
doing two low cost oil changes to one M1 fill.

clay



On Feb 9, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

> If you only change the oil once a year you realize you'll be saving maybe $10 
> a year right?
> -Curt
> 
> 
>  From: clay <redgh...@comcast.net>
> To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 8:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
> 
> I have not done any analysis since there is so little use on the car, and I 
> want to see how much hope and change I get with each oil swap.  I would 
> probably send it in at the last M1 drain, and then again the next swap out 
> with less expensive goo.  
> 
> clay
> 
> On Feb 9, 2016, at 4:48 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> 
>> Have you had analysis done to know exactly what the schmoo is?
>> My '85 190D had high iron levels when I got it that went down with each 
>> subsequent oil change until it would stay normal through a 10,000 mile run. 
>> The previous owner was kinda on the sketchy side...
>> -Curt
>> 
>>   From: clay via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
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>> Cc: clay <redgh...@comcast.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 7:40 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
>> 
>> It is coming out black, but getting lighter with each change.  First change 
>> resulted in near immediate change to diesel black on the stick after ten 
>> miles.  Now it remains amber for far longer.  Since I am only getting 2500 
>> miles per annum, I make sure if she goes out, she goes OUT! for a long drive 
>> at speed.  Hot enough to deal with most condensation.I doubt I will get 
>> 'clean' at a change, I aim for deep maple instead of french roast, and 
>> slight opacity over occluded.
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> On Feb 9, 2016, at 3:07 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>>> On 09/02/2016 4:20 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:
>>>> I like M1 15-50 for the older cars and diesels.  I am running it through 
>>>> Frosch for the past three years in an attempt to clear out 40 years of 
>>>> crud in the engine.  Just in case.  Once it flows out clean during the 
>>>> annual change, I figure I will move to Delo synth.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> clay
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> Will it ever run out clean on an annual change?
>>> I run M1 in my late model truck and it gets dirty after about 5K miles.
>>> Not horrible but bad enough that I change it about then.
>>> 
>>> RB
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

What does any of this have to do with the Continuing Crisis (aka politics)?  Or 
Guns?

Hard to believe...
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I thought it'd use the M1 0w-40 European flavor?
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On February 8, 2016 6:36:12 PM EST, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
 wrote:
>For that car it has FSS so the most readily available oils will be M1
>turbo diesel truck or Chevron Delo 400le which is about $8 cheaper than
>M1 and what I use.
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Feb 8, 2016, at 5:30 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes
> wrote:
>> 
>> I have bought engine oil for only three diesel engines: OM615, OM616,
>and
>> OM617.
>> Now I have an OM606. What is the correct engine oil?
>> 
>> Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

My indy agrees 5w40 is the ticket.

Bob R
On Feb 8, 2016 7:56 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:

> Au contraire, 0w40 is a fine oil when its extremely cold. Its the wrong
> choice for Bob. There were many times over the years when it was the right
> choice for me.
> 5w40 strikes a good balance between hot weather and cold I think. The
> manual should have a chart of what thickness oils you can run at what temp.
> -Curt
>
>   From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin <ka...@striplin.net>
>  Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 9:41 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
>
> It's a diesel, the 0w40 is the wrong oil.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 8, 2016, at 8:15 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I thought it'd use the M1 0w-40 European flavor?
> > --
> > Max Dillon
> > Charleston SC
> > '87 300TD
> > '95 E300
> >
> >> On February 8, 2016 6:36:12 PM EST, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> For that car it has FSS so the most readily available oils will be M1
> >> turbo diesel truck or Chevron Delo 400le which is about $8 cheaper than
> >> M1 and what I use.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>>> On Feb 8, 2016, at 5:30 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes
> >>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I have bought engine oil for only three diesel engines: OM615, OM616,
> >> and
> >>> OM617.
> >>> Now I have an OM606. What is the correct engine oil?
> >>>
> >>> Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

It's a diesel, the 0w40 is the wrong oil.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 8, 2016, at 8:15 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I thought it'd use the M1 0w-40 European flavor?
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
> 
>> On February 8, 2016 6:36:12 PM EST, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>>  wrote:
>> For that car it has FSS so the most readily available oils will be M1
>> turbo diesel truck or Chevron Delo 400le which is about $8 cheaper than
>> M1 and what I use.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Feb 8, 2016, at 5:30 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have bought engine oil for only three diesel engines: OM615, OM616,
>> and
>>> OM617.
>>> Now I have an OM606. What is the correct engine oil?
>>> 
>>> Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Au contraire, 0w40 is a fine oil when its extremely cold. Its the wrong choice 
for Bob. There were many times over the years when it was the right choice for 
me.
5w40 strikes a good balance between hot weather and cold I think. The manual 
should have a chart of what thickness oils you can run at what temp.
-Curt

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 Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 9:41 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
   
It's a diesel, the 0w40 is the wrong oil.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 8, 2016, at 8:15 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I thought it'd use the M1 0w-40 European flavor?
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
> 
>> On February 8, 2016 6:36:12 PM EST, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> For that car it has FSS so the most readily available oils will be M1
>> turbo diesel truck or Chevron Delo 400le which is about $8 cheaper than
>> M1 and what I use.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Feb 8, 2016, at 5:30 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes
>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have bought engine oil for only three diesel engines: OM615, OM616,
>> and
>>> OM617.
>>> Now I have an OM606. What is the correct engine oil?
>>> 
>>> Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

For that car it has FSS so the most readily available oils will be 
M1 turbo diesel truck or Chevron Delo 400le which is about $8 
cheaper than M1 and what I use.


Sent from my iPhone

 On Feb 8, 2016, at 5:30 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
 wrote:


 I have bought engine oil for only three diesel engines: OM615, OM616, and
 OM617.
 Now I have an OM606. What is the correct engine oil?


 > Bob R
 >


What weight is recommended for summer/hell use in the OM606?   Bob 
Needs to know that piece too!


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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

It's 5w40

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On Feb 8, 2016, at 6:09 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes  
wrote:

>> For that car it has FSS so the most readily available oils will be M1 turbo 
>> diesel truck or Chevron Delo 400le which is about $8 cheaper than M1 and 
>> what I use.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 8, 2016, at 5:30 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have bought engine oil for only three diesel engines: OM615, OM616, and
>>> OM617.
>>> Now I have an OM606. What is the correct engine oil?
>> > Bob R
>> >
> 
> What weight is recommended for summer/hell use in the OM606?   Bob Needs to 
> know that piece too!
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

I was fairly certain my hell here required 5w40. It was 84 today already.
Ugh.

Bob R
On Feb 8, 2016 5:35 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> It's 5w40
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 8, 2016, at 6:09 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> >> For that car it has FSS so the most readily available oils will be M1
> turbo diesel truck or Chevron Delo 400le which is about $8 cheaper than M1
> and what I use.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Feb 8, 2016, at 5:30 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I have bought engine oil for only three diesel engines: OM615, OM616,
> and
> >>> OM617.
> >>> Now I have an OM606. What is the correct engine oil?
> >> > Bob R
> >> >
> >
> > What weight is recommended for summer/hell use in the OM606?   Bob Needs
> to know that piece too!
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

With Car Quest getting acquired by Advance they stopped carrying the Car Quest 
synthetic oil I had been using that carried the VW spec. I was at Autozone the 
other day and they had Turbo Diesel Truck on sale for $25/gal so I grabbed a 
gallon of that. I'd used the Car Quest stuff because it was $24/gal...

The Golf requires fancy oil to keep the cam from spinning off. The only stuff 
at FLAPs is a Valvoline stuff they want $8/qt for. ID Parts recommends Liqui 
Moly 4100 which Amazon has with free delivery: 
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001052HGE?psc=1=true_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00I
 ordered on a Wednesday and got it Friday.For $5 more ID Parts includes a 
filter and drain plug.
My VW guy put in 5w30 and the car has been consuming a quart in around 4,000 
miles. Since I put in the 5w40 Valvoline stuff it seems to be slowing down.
Theres a huge debate about 5w30 vs 5w40 in the BEW VWs, hotly contested...
-Curt

  From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin <ka...@striplin.net>
 Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 6:36 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
   
For that car it has FSS so the most readily available oils will be M1 turbo 
diesel truck or Chevron Delo 400le which is about $8 cheaper than M1 and what I 
use.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 8, 2016, at 5:30 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I have bought engine oil for only three diesel engines: OM615, OM616, and
> OM617.
> Now I have an OM606. What is the correct engine oil?
> 
> Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

For that car it has FSS so the most readily available oils will be M1 turbo 
diesel truck or Chevron Delo 400le which is about $8 cheaper than M1 and what I 
use.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 8, 2016, at 5:30 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I have bought engine oil for only three diesel engines: OM615, OM616, and
> OM617.
> Now I have an OM606. What is the correct engine oil?
> 
> Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Delo synthetic at Walmart is less than $20 a gallon.

On 2/8/2016 5:48 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

With Car Quest getting acquired by Advance they stopped carrying the Car Quest 
synthetic oil I had been using that carried the VW spec. I was at Autozone the 
other day and they had Turbo Diesel Truck on sale for $25/gal so I grabbed a 
gallon of that. I'd used the Car Quest stuff because it was $24/gal...

The Golf requires fancy oil to keep the cam from spinning off. The only stuff at FLAPs 
is a Valvoline stuff they want $8/qt for. ID Parts recommends Liqui Moly 4100 which 
Amazon has with free delivery: 
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001052HGE?psc=1=true_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00I
 ordered on a Wednesday and got it Friday.For $5 more ID Parts includes a filter and 
drain plug.
My VW guy put in 5w30 and the car has been consuming a quart in around 4,000 
miles. Since I put in the 5w40 Valvoline stuff it seems to be slowing down.
Theres a huge debate about 5w30 vs 5w40 in the BEW VWs, hotly contested...
-Curt

   From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
  To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin <ka...@striplin.net>
  Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 6:36 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

For that car it has FSS so the most readily available oils will be M1 turbo diesel truck or Chevron Delo 400le which is about $8 cheaper than M1 and what I use.


Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 8, 2016, at 5:30 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
wrote:

I have bought engine oil for only three diesel engines: OM615, OM616, and
OM617.
Now I have an OM606. What is the correct engine oil?

Bob R
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