Re: [MBZ] Power steering is whinny F.S 1999 Mercedes E300 TD - $3, 000 (Fairview)

2021-06-06 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
How about 2k?

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> SHINNY AND WHINNY TURB DIESEL
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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid

2016-12-08 Thread MG via Mercedes
Damn, stuff just doesn't last like it used to. You'd think that a 
seal would last a bit longer then just 30 years. Especially when 
the manufacturer says to use ATF.



Manfred

Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 17:27:53 -0600
From: Peter Frederick 


There are rumors that ATF in any version will eat the seals out 
of the

PS pump.

My "new" 300D lost one a few years back, and the fluid was pink.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid

2016-12-07 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes

I don't believe that.  Worn out seals will leak with any color.

The 300TE had the tandem pump seals worn out due to being run dry for 
quite a while.  A kit and new seals fixed it.  the 35 year old pump in 
the 240D weeps.  It has 35 years and a few 100K miles on it, so I think 
it has served admirably.  I don't mind putting a new seal in it.   That 
is  on the "to do someday" list.  I've had the car over 20 years.  It 
had ATF in the PS pump when I got it.  I am thinking about dumping a 
little lubro-moly in it and see if that softens the seal enough for a 
few more years


I put about 250k on the first SDL.  Never had a problem with the PS pump 
in over 400k miles.


I've never used anything but ATF in the PS on MBs.  SLS takes majik 
juice, yea, but not PS.


2000+ MB, yer on yer own, read the book.


Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
December 7, 2016 at 5:27 PM
There are rumors that ATF in any version will eat the seals out of the 
PS pump.


My "new" 300D lost one a few years back, and the fluid was pink.

Peter



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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid

2016-12-07 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
There are rumors that ATF in any version will eat the seals out of the  
PS pump.


My "new" 300D lost one a few years back, and the fluid was pink.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid

2016-12-07 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
I use the Febi equivalent in my '95 E300 (and I use whatever ATF bottle is
open on the shelf for my '87 wagon), which I think is like $7 or $9 per
liter.  At my dealer I think they charged me $12 or $15 when I had to get
some of the 000 989 88 03 quickly.

Febi 08972 is "recommended" for use in systems that require MB Spec Sheet
236.3.  The BEVO 236.3 does not list any Febi fluids, so I guess that means
that Febi has not paid for the testing to prove they meet MB's spec.

-
Max
Charleston SC

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> That's what I need to do. At $33 a litre, I will place it in a spot of
> distinction in the garage.
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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid

2016-12-07 Thread Dan--- via Mercedes
Wow! Really?

I think the last liter I bought at the dealer was like $12, if that.

Dan

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> That's what I need to do. At $33 a litre, I will place it in a spot of
> distinction in the garage.
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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid

2016-12-07 Thread Bob Rentfro via Mercedes
That's what I need to do. At $33 a litre, I will place it in a spot of
distinction in the garage.

Bob R

On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I just keep a couple of liters of MB fluid on the shelf, that way it's
> alway right no matter what.
>
> Dan
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> Sent from my iPad
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> > On Dec 7, 2016, at 12:54 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Then M1 it is.
> >
> > Bob R
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> > On Dec 7, 2016 10:35 AM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Yea that should be fine
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
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>  On Dec 7, 2016, at 11:27 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> M1 ATF?
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 10:25 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
>  Not sure where you get that idea. I looked it up in the manual on
> >> either a
>  210 or the 251 and it listed atf as the correct fluid
> 
>  Sent from my iPhone
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> >> On Dec 7, 2016, at 10:32 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Negative. ATF is only correct for power steering if the engine does
> not
>  have a serpentine belt. MB has a spec for that...
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> >From: Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
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> > Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 11:28 AM
> > Subject: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid
> >
> > I need to top off the power steering fluid in my W210. It's simply
> ATF,
>  no?
> > Would Mobil 1 ATF be an acceptable topping off fluid?
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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid

2016-12-07 Thread Dan--- via Mercedes
I just keep a couple of liters of MB fluid on the shelf, that way it's alway 
right no matter what.

Dan

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> On Dec 7, 2016, at 12:54 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Then M1 it is.
> 
> Bob R
> 
> On Dec 7, 2016 10:35 AM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Yea that should be fine
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Dec 7, 2016, at 11:27 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> M1 ATF?
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 10:25 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 Not sure where you get that idea. I looked it up in the manual on
>> either a
 210 or the 251 and it listed atf as the correct fluid
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Dec 7, 2016, at 10:32 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Negative. ATF is only correct for power steering if the engine does not
 have a serpentine belt. MB has a spec for that...
> 
> -Curt
> 
>From: Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
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> Cc: Bob Rentfro 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 11:28 AM
> Subject: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid
> 
> I need to top off the power steering fluid in my W210. It's simply ATF,
 no?
> Would Mobil 1 ATF be an acceptable topping off fluid?
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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid

2016-12-07 Thread Bob Rentfro via Mercedes
Then M1 it is.

Bob R

On Dec 7, 2016 10:35 AM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yea that should be fine
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 7, 2016, at 11:27 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > M1 ATF?
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 10:25 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Not sure where you get that idea. I looked it up in the manual on
> either a
> >> 210 or the 251 and it listed atf as the correct fluid
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Dec 7, 2016, at 10:32 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Negative. ATF is only correct for power steering if the engine does not
> >> have a serpentine belt. MB has a spec for that...
> >>>
> >>> -Curt
> >>>
> >>> From: Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
> >>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> >>> Cc: Bob Rentfro 
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 11:28 AM
> >>> Subject: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid
> >>>
> >>> I need to top off the power steering fluid in my W210. It's simply ATF,
> >> no?
> >>> Would Mobil 1 ATF be an acceptable topping off fluid?
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid

2016-12-07 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Yea that should be fine 

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> On Dec 7, 2016, at 11:27 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> M1 ATF?
> 
> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 10:25 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Not sure where you get that idea. I looked it up in the manual on either a
>> 210 or the 251 and it listed atf as the correct fluid
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 7, 2016, at 10:32 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Negative. ATF is only correct for power steering if the engine does not
>> have a serpentine belt. MB has a spec for that...
>>> 
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>> From: Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>>> Cc: Bob Rentfro 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 11:28 AM
>>> Subject: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid
>>> 
>>> I need to top off the power steering fluid in my W210. It's simply ATF,
>> no?
>>> Would Mobil 1 ATF be an acceptable topping off fluid?
>>> 
>>> Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid

2016-12-07 Thread Bob Rentfro via Mercedes
M1 ATF?

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Not sure where you get that idea. I looked it up in the manual on either a
> 210 or the 251 and it listed atf as the correct fluid
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 7, 2016, at 10:32 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Negative. ATF is only correct for power steering if the engine does not
> have a serpentine belt. MB has a spec for that...
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> >  From: Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
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> > Cc: Bob Rentfro 
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 11:28 AM
> > Subject: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid
> >
> > I need to top off the power steering fluid in my W210. It's simply ATF,
> no?
> > Would Mobil 1 ATF be an acceptable topping off fluid?
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid

2016-12-07 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Not sure where you get that idea. I looked it up in the manual on either a 210 
or the 251 and it listed atf as the correct fluid

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> On Dec 7, 2016, at 10:32 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Negative. ATF is only correct for power steering if the engine does not have 
> a serpentine belt. MB has a spec for that...
> 
> -Curt
> 
>  From: Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List  
> Cc: Bob Rentfro 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 11:28 AM
> Subject: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid
> 
> I need to top off the power steering fluid in my W210. It's simply ATF, no?
> Would Mobil 1 ATF be an acceptable topping off fluid?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid

2016-12-07 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
That's what I use.

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> I need to top off the power steering fluid in my W210. It's simply ATF, no?
> Would Mobil 1 ATF be an acceptable topping off fluid?
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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid

2016-12-07 Thread Bob Rentfro via Mercedes
It's a '98.

I have both the Petosin (for the VWs) and Dexron III. I reckon I really
cant go wrong topping off with the Petosin.until I either settle this
dilimea (M1, Petosin, DexIII) or go buy MB PS oil.

Bob R

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> Hmm, I was pretty sure of what I told you but now the googles shows me
> posts where people say to use M1 ATF in a 210.
> When I got my '85 190D I put M1 ATF in just like I had with my 240D and in
> short order it started leaking around the pump shaft seal. I replaced the
> pump and put Pentosin in it and it didn't leak again.
> What year is your car? I see Pentosin CH11F recommended for 2001-2005. I
> used that in my Jetta a few months ago. Spendy but you don't need that
> much...
> -Curt
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>  Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 11:54 AM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid
>
> Well I guess I better figure out the correct fluid
> Bob R
>
> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> Negative. ATF is only correct for power steering if the engine does not
> have a serpentine belt. MB has a spec for that...
>
> -Curt
>
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> Cc: Bob Rentfro <azbob...@gmail.com>
>  Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 11:28 AM
>  Subject: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid
>
> I need to top off the power steering fluid in my W210. It's simply ATF, no?
> Would Mobil 1 ATF be an acceptable topping off fluid?
>
> Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid

2016-12-07 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Hmm, I was pretty sure of what I told you but now the googles shows me posts 
where people say to use M1 ATF in a 210.
When I got my '85 190D I put M1 ATF in just like I had with my 240D and in 
short order it started leaking around the pump shaft seal. I replaced the pump 
and put Pentosin in it and it didn't leak again.
What year is your car? I see Pentosin CH11F recommended for 2001-2005. I used 
that in my Jetta a few months ago. Spendy but you don't need that much...
-Curt

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 Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 11:54 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid
   
Well I guess I better figure out the correct fluid
Bob R

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<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Negative. ATF is only correct for power steering if the engine does not have a 
serpentine belt. MB has a spec for that...

-Curt

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 Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 11:28 AM
 Subject: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid

I need to top off the power steering fluid in my W210. It's simply ATF, no?
Would Mobil 1 ATF be an acceptable topping off fluid?

Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid

2016-12-07 Thread Bob Rentfro via Mercedes
So it appears a majority of chassis' use the Petosin CHF 11S. The W210,
specifically, uses either MB fluid or Dexron III.
I have some Dexron III in the garage. The information I looked at wasn't
too elaborate as to Dexron III.  Are all Dexron III brands/iterations the
same?

Bob R

On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 9:54 AM, Bob Rentfro  wrote:

> Well I guess I better figure out the correct fluid
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> Bob R
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> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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>> Negative. ATF is only correct for power steering if the engine does not
>> have a serpentine belt. MB has a spec for that...
>>
>> -Curt
>>
>>   From: Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
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>> Cc: Bob Rentfro 
>>  Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 11:28 AM
>>  Subject: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid
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>> I need to top off the power steering fluid in my W210. It's simply ATF,
>> no?
>> Would Mobil 1 ATF be an acceptable topping off fluid?
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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid

2016-12-07 Thread Bob Rentfro via Mercedes
Well I guess I better figure out the correct fluid

Bob R


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> Negative. ATF is only correct for power steering if the engine does not
> have a serpentine belt. MB has a spec for that...
>
> -Curt
>
>   From: Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
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> Cc: Bob Rentfro 
>  Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 11:28 AM
>  Subject: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid
>
> I need to top off the power steering fluid in my W210. It's simply ATF, no?
> Would Mobil 1 ATF be an acceptable topping off fluid?
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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid

2016-12-07 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Negative. ATF is only correct for power steering if the engine does not have a 
serpentine belt. MB has a spec for that...

-Curt

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Cc: Bob Rentfro 
 Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 11:28 AM
 Subject: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid
   
I need to top off the power steering fluid in my W210. It's simply ATF, no?
Would Mobil 1 ATF be an acceptable topping off fluid?

Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] Power steering

2015-06-09 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes
On Tue, 02 Jun 2015 09:55:29 -0500
Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 On 01/06/2015 6:44 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
  The point has been made that power steering doesn't do much at speed.
 
  I say take the pump out of the belt circuit, as an Experiment, and see how 
  it drives.  I suspect that once you get over 15 mph, you'll never know it 
  is missing.
 
 
 The NASCAR cars all have power steering.
 
 RB
 
Heh! Heh! If his steering is like the steering on my '83 300D, he better go 
down to the gym and build up some big arm muscles before he takes the power 
steering belt off.
Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] Power steering

2015-06-02 Thread clay via Mercedes
I really liked the unpowered feel in Gump.  Not so pleased with the dead feel 
of the 300d

clay

On Jun 1, 2015, at 11:24 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

 I would say that my 115 300D requires more effort than most vehicles that I 
 have driven with power steering.
 
 My W115 200D drives great with manual steering.  Yes, it's
 a bit harder in a parking lot.  But _other_ than that, you
 don't even notice.
 
 -- Jim
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Power steering

2015-06-02 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
THe 126 with PS seems more heavy to steer than any truck I ever drove 
without PS.  THis is a design feature


The SEL's steering is nearly impossible when the engine dies.
Dreadful, death on a stick.  Nothing at all like the light and
pleasant steering of the manual W115.  Or my old Falcon, for
that matter.  I used to joke that there was nothing power in
the Falcon --- including the engine!

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Power steering

2015-06-02 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
I can agree with fmiser.  my 110s never had PS and never needed it. 
they are still the gold standard to me as far as steering goes.  the 
123 with PS is ok.  THe 126 with PS seems more heavy to steer than 
any truck I ever drove without PS.  THis is a design feature   I 
love the light and agile steering of a non PS 110/111


Cant tell you anything about 115 with or without PS.


fmiser sez:
I disagree.

I have driven hundreds of thousands of miles with plain
steering - but it was never a power-assist system run without
assist.

In general, I prefer the feel of un-assisted steering.  Low
speed parking, especially backing a trailer, is a lot more
effort.  In my experience, when traveling faster than parking
lot speeds it isn't really any more effort than power assist
steering.  This experience covers compact cars, full-sized
cars, light duty trucks (pickup), heavy duty truck (class 5
and class 8), without a trailer, with a small trailer (less
than 20 ft [7 m]), and with long trailers (up to 53 feet [16
m]}.

So with a plain gearbox, I would not at all mind not having
power assist steering on a W115.


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Re: [MBZ] Power steering

2015-06-02 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

On 01/06/2015 6:44 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

The point has been made that power steering doesn't do much at speed.

I say take the pump out of the belt circuit, as an Experiment, and see how it 
drives.  I suspect that once you get over 15 mph, you'll never know it is 
missing.



The NASCAR cars all have power steering.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] Power steering

2015-06-02 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Really? I thought they even had total-loss electrics.
I expect using power steering keeps the ratio low and is maybe important with 
those super wide tires.
-Curt
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Cc: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2015 10:55 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Power steering
   
On 01/06/2015 6:44 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
 The point has been made that power steering doesn't do much at speed.

 I say take the pump out of the belt circuit, as an Experiment, and see how it 
 drives.  I suspect that once you get over 15 mph, you'll never know it is 
 missing.


The NASCAR cars all have power steering.

RB



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Re: [MBZ] Power steering

2015-06-02 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
I would say that my 115 300D requires more effort than most vehicles 
that I have driven with power steering.


My W115 200D drives great with manual steering.  Yes, it's
a bit harder in a parking lot.  But _other_ than that, you
don't even notice.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Power steering

2015-06-01 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
 clay wrote:
 
 The w115 300d has a host of issues.  One I would like to
 resolve for next to no cash would be the leak in the power
 steering system.  I can live without the assist, and like
 the feel of man handling the car.  I liked that aspect in
 Gump.  Losing the added weight would be a bonus.
 
 Question is, can I delete the PS?  What more would be
 involved?

Sure you could.  But you probably want a different gearbox.
Typically the power steering gearbox will have a lower gear
ratio so without the power assist it's a lot more work to
turn than a plain gearbox.

There is some force/power lost in pumping hydraulic fluid
when a power-assist steering is used without the pump
running.  I think you could just drain the fluid out and
likely it would work and have less force/power loss.  I don't
know the long term consequence of running a power-assist
gearbox dry...

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Re: [MBZ] Power steering

2015-06-01 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

  clay wrote:


 The w115 300d has a host of issues.  One I would like to
 resolve for next to no cash would be the leak in the power
 steering system.  I can live without the assist, and like
 the feel of man handling the car.  I liked that aspect in
 Gump.  Losing the added weight would be a bonus.

 Question is, can I delete the PS?  What more would be
 involved?


Sure you could.  But you probably want a different gearbox.
Typically the power steering gearbox will have a lower gear
ratio so without the power assist it's a lot more work to
turn than a plain gearbox.

There is some force/power lost in pumping hydraulic fluid
when a power-assist steering is used without the pump
running.  I think you could just drain the fluid out and
likely it would work and have less force/power loss.  I don't
know the long term consequence of running a power-assist
gearbox dry...



Most of the leaks are in the low pressure return line.  about a buck 
or buck fifty/foot at FLAPS.  Next most likely is the pump seal.  it 
is cheap also


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Re: [MBZ] Power steering

2015-06-01 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

On 01/06/2015 2:40 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:

  clay wrote:


 The w115 300d has a host of issues.  One I would like to
 resolve for next to no cash would be the leak in the power
 steering system.  I can live without the assist, and like
 the feel of man handling the car.  I liked that aspect in
 Gump.  Losing the added weight would be a bonus.

 Question is, can I delete the PS?  What more would be
 involved?


Sure you could.  But you probably want a different gearbox.
Typically the power steering gearbox will have a lower gear
ratio so without the power assist it's a lot more work to
turn than a plain gearbox.

There is some force/power lost in pumping hydraulic fluid
when a power-assist steering is used without the pump
running.  I think you could just drain the fluid out and
likely it would work and have less force/power loss.  I don't
know the long term consequence of running a power-assist
gearbox dry...



Most of the leaks are in the low pressure return line.  about a buck 
or buck fifty/foot at FLAPS.  Next most likely is the pump seal.  it 
is cheap also


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And, if you plan to drive this thing for hours on end, then you will 
appreciate power steering so don't throw it out.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] Power steering

2015-06-01 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
   clay wrote:
  
   The w115 300d has a host of issues.  One I would like
   to resolve for next to no cash would be the leak in
   the power steering system. 
  
Question is, can I delete the PS?

  fmiser wrote:
 
  Sure you could.  But you probably want a different
  gearbox.

 Randy wrote:
 
 And, if you plan to drive this thing for hours on end, then
 you will appreciate power steering so don't throw it out.

I disagree.

I have driven hundreds of thousands of miles with plain
steering - but it was never a power-assist system run without
assist.

In general, I prefer the feel of un-assisted steering.  Low
speed parking, especially backing a trailer, is a lot more
effort.  In my experience, when traveling faster than parking
lot speeds it isn't really any more effort than power assist
steering.  This experience covers compact cars, full-sized
cars, light duty trucks (pickup), heavy duty truck (class 5
and class 8), without a trailer, with a small trailer (less
than 20 ft [7 m]), and with long trailers (up to 53 feet [16
m]}.

So with a plain gearbox, I would not at all mind not having
power assist steering on a W115.

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Re: [MBZ] Power steering

2015-06-01 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

On 01/06/2015 5:22 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:

clay wrote:

The w115 300d has a host of issues.  One I would like
to resolve for next to no cash would be the leak in
the power steering system.

  Question is, can I delete the PS?

fmiser wrote:

Sure you could.  But you probably want a different
gearbox.

Randy wrote:

And, if you plan to drive this thing for hours on end, then
you will appreciate power steering so don't throw it out.

I disagree.

I have driven hundreds of thousands of miles with plain
steering - but it was never a power-assist system run without
assist.

In general, I prefer the feel of un-assisted steering.  Low
speed parking, especially backing a trailer, is a lot more
effort.  In my experience, when traveling faster than parking
lot speeds it isn't really any more effort than power assist
steering.  This experience covers compact cars, full-sized
cars, light duty trucks (pickup), heavy duty truck (class 5
and class 8), without a trailer, with a small trailer (less
than 20 ft [7 m]), and with long trailers (up to 53 feet [16
m]}.

So with a plain gearbox, I would not at all mind not having
power assist steering on a W115.

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I would say that my 115 300D requires more effort than most vehicles 
that I have driven with power steering.
I assume that Mercedes did that on purpose and that it is normal for the 
vehicle.
So, I doubt there is much to gain by going to a non-power steering setup 
on the vehicle and that there is something to lose - especially if one 
is going to drive it for hours at a time in a racing environment.


I learned to drive on non power steering vehicles. My father normally 
did not go in for the frills. We had manual transmissions and power nothing.

I have had a number of vehicles over the years without power steering.
One of them was a 1968 Chevy pickup truck. It was ok at highway speeds 
but a real devil to park. Not so much due to the effort it took to turn 
the wheel so much as the number of turns required. The steering is slow 
compared to power and it is thus more difficult to put into a parking 
spot or to pull into the garage off of the street etc.


In any event, I suspect that it will be as easy to repair the leaks in 
Clay's car as it will be to replace with a non power unit and thus 
suggested he just enjoy the power steering.


RB


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Re: [MBZ] Power steering

2015-06-01 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
The point has been made that power steering doesn't do much at speed.

I say take the pump out of the belt circuit, as an Experiment, and see how it 
drives.  I suspect that once you get over 15 mph, you'll never know it is 
missing.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] Power steering

2015-03-17 Thread clay via Mercedes
Ah, well that settle it.  Fix the leak, since I am not going to find a manual 
box for a while, and even less likely to install one properly.   Better have 
the engine steamed which will unmask all the leak spots for me.

clay

On Mar 16, 2015, at 6:58 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:

 probably cheaper to fix the leak.  You will need a manual steering gearbox.  
 that is all.
 
 
 The w115 300d has a host of issues.  One I would like to resolve for next to 
 no cash would be the leak in the power steering system.  I can live without 
 the assist, and like the feel of man handling the car.  I liked that aspect 
 in Gump.  Losing the added weight would be a bonus.
 
 Question is, can I delete the PS?  What more would be involved?
 
 
 clay
 
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 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
 POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Power steering

2015-03-16 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
probably cheaper to fix the leak.  You will need a manual steering 
gearbox.  that is all.



The w115 300d has a host of issues.  One I would like to resolve for 
next to no cash would be the leak in the power steering system.  I 
can live without the assist, and like the feel of man handling the 
car.  I liked that aspect in Gump.  Losing the added weight would be 
a bonus.


Question is, can I delete the PS?  What more would be involved?


clay

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately  well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








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Re: [MBZ] Power steering

2015-03-16 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
It will be very hard to steer since the box is setup for power steering 

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 On Mar 16, 2015, at 8:32 PM, clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 The w115 300d has a host of issues.  One I would like to resolve for next to 
 no cash would be the leak in the power steering system.  I can live without 
 the assist, and like the feel of man handling the car.  I liked that aspect 
 in Gump.  Losing the added weight would be a bonus.
 
 Question is, can I delete the PS?  What more would be involved?
 
 
 clay 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid

2014-02-11 Thread Larry T

Thanks Gary -

;-)

Sincerely,
Larry

On 2/9/2014 8:42 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

that's just the old school ATF in a PS bottle.  i'd happily use it in a W124


On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 8:35 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote:


Hi All,
 I have a liter of Hydraulic Fluid I bought either from Rusty or the MB
dealer several years ago.  It's  FEBI (Bilstein) # 08972 and it says it is
to be used for Specs;
MB 236.3,
Dexron II,
Voith 55-6335, (Standard Drain) 
ZF TE - ML 09, 11, 14A, 03D, 04D  17k.

 Does anyone know if this is the appropriate fluid to use in the Power
Steering Reservoir of my 1991 300D 2.5T W124?   My present fluid looks
pretty dark and I'd like to replace the filter and fluid.

Thanks!

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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid

2014-02-09 Thread Gary Hurst
that's just the old school ATF in a PS bottle.  i'd happily use it in a W124


On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 8:35 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote:

 Hi All,
 I have a liter of Hydraulic Fluid I bought either from Rusty or the MB
 dealer several years ago.  It's  FEBI (Bilstein) # 08972 and it says it is
 to be used for Specs;
 MB 236.3,
 Dexron II,
 Voith 55-6335, (Standard Drain) 
 ZF TE - ML 09, 11, 14A, 03D, 04D  17k.

 Does anyone know if this is the appropriate fluid to use in the Power
 Steering Reservoir of my 1991 300D 2.5T W124?   My present fluid looks
 pretty dark and I'd like to replace the filter and fluid.

 Thanks!

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 78 240D
 91 300D

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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering/Steering Gearbox Question

2013-03-14 Thread Jon Agne
Stoddard Solvent is dry cleaning fluid.  Works wonders at cleaning virtually 
everything.  I remember procuring a gallon of it when I was going through AOCS 
in Pensacola for the class.  We kept it in the mop closet (away from prying 
eyes).  At the dreaded rifle inspection the DI could not find any dirt on any 
of the rifles.  We still had to do a thousand hop-n-pops for having rifles that 
were TOO cleanbut we passed and got to go on liberty for the weekend.
Jon


 
On Mar 13, 2013, at 10:05 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:

 The turkey baster does work over time.  Without solvent or flush I'd expect
 any new fluid to turn dark pretty quick.  Once you do it a few times you'd
 be able to see the filter at the bottom of the reservoir for quite a while.
 The new fluid will end up cleaning stuff up or mixing with fluid you never
 really got out earlier.
 
 
 On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 7:52 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Where do you find stoddard solvent these days? I haven't seen it years -
 but haven't really tried. I used many gallons of it washing the oil off the
 belly of Dad's C195, back in the day!
 
 On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 6:02 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I opened the return line and slipped some rubber hose over it with a
 clamp,
 hooked up a harbor freight 12 volt pump and sucked it dry... then plumbed
 in a 2 liter bottle of stoddard solvent and did a power flush of the
 whole PS system while turning the wheel from lock to lock [car up on
 stands] with the pump pushing fresh stoddard fluid through the entire
 system until it ran clean. Sucked it dry of stoddard, and refilled with
 PS
 fluid.
 
 Clean system... total time.. about 30 min.
 
 Look you system over, you will figure out how to plumb it all so the aux
 pump cleans and cycles the whole system.
 
 Grant...
 
 On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 1:39 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:
 
 Looking for a possible drain on the steering gear on my W140, I noticed
 there was a large bolt head about halfway up the front (bottom) side.
 
 Anyone know if this is a drain?
 
 I don't want to be removing bolts from the steering gear box without
 knowing what they are for
 
 Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering/Steering Gearbox Question

2013-03-14 Thread Gerry Archer
According to OSHA Stoddard solvent is a mineral spirits type solvent, 
obtainable in many paint stores.
As a child during the 1930s I remember being sent to the filling station 
(service station) on the corner with an empty gallon jug for naptha. 
Further checking found that the term naphtha covers a number of solvents. 
I've sometimes wondered if the naphtha I was sent for was simply mineral 
spirits.  Since it came from a service station, I suspect it was although 
tetrachlorethylene/perchlorethylene had begun replacing Stoddard solvent in 
the 1930s for dry cleaning clothes.

Gerry

From: Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net
Stoddard Solvent is dry cleaning fluid.  Works wonders at cleaning 
virtually everything.  I remember procuring a gallon of it when I was 
going through AOCS in Pensacola for the class.  We kept it in the mop 
closet (away from prying eyes).  At the dreaded rifle inspection the DI 
could not find any dirt on any of the rifles.  We still had to do a 
thousand hop-n-pops for having rifles that were TOO cleanbut we passed 
and got to go on liberty for the weekend.

Jon



On Mar 13, 2013, at 10:05 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:

The turkey baster does work over time.  Without solvent or flush I'd 
expect
any new fluid to turn dark pretty quick.  Once you do it a few times 
you'd
be able to see the filter at the bottom of the reservoir for quite a 
while.
The new fluid will end up cleaning stuff up or mixing with fluid you 
never

really got out earlier.


On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 7:52 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:


Where do you find stoddard solvent these days? I haven't seen it years -
but haven't really tried. I used many gallons of it washing the oil off 
the

belly of Dad's C195, back in the day!

On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 6:02 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:


I opened the return line and slipped some rubber hose over it with a

clamp,
hooked up a harbor freight 12 volt pump and sucked it dry... then 
plumbed

in a 2 liter bottle of stoddard solvent and did a power flush of the
whole PS system while turning the wheel from lock to lock [car up on
stands] with the pump pushing fresh stoddard fluid through the entire
system until it ran clean. Sucked it dry of stoddard, and refilled with

PS

fluid.

Clean system... total time.. about 30 min.

Look you system over, you will figure out how to plumb it all so the 
aux

pump cleans and cycles the whole system.

Grant...

On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 1:39 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:

Looking for a possible drain on the steering gear on my W140, I 
noticed

there was a large bolt head about halfway up the front (bottom) side.

Anyone know if this is a drain?

I don't want to be removing bolts from the steering gear box without
knowing what they are for

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering/Steering Gearbox Question

2013-03-14 Thread Max Dillon
Hah, that reminds me of comment from new SECDEF to a staff sergeant yesterday.  
Mr Hagel served as an Army grunt in Vietnam, and told the sergeant there was a 
time in his life when he was terrified of staff sergeants.  Sergeant replied 
You should be sir.

-- 
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Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20

Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote:

Stoddard Solvent is dry cleaning fluid.  Works wonders at cleaning
virtually everything.  I remember procuring a gallon of it when I was
going through AOCS in Pensacola for the class.  We kept it in the mop
closet (away from prying eyes).  At the dreaded rifle inspection the DI
could not find any dirt on any of the rifles.  We still had to do a
thousand hop-n-pops for having rifles that were TOO cleanbut we
passed and got to go on liberty for the weekend.
Jon


 
On Mar 13, 2013, at 10:05 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:

 The turkey baster does work over time.  Without solvent or flush I'd
expect
 any new fluid to turn dark pretty quick.  Once you do it a few times
you'd
 be able to see the filter at the bottom of the reservoir for quite a
while.
 The new fluid will end up cleaning stuff up or mixing with fluid you
never
 really got out earlier.
 
 
 On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 7:52 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Where do you find stoddard solvent these days? I haven't seen it
years -
 but haven't really tried. I used many gallons of it washing the oil
off the
 belly of Dad's C195, back in the day!
 
 On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 6:02 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I opened the return line and slipped some rubber hose over it with
a
 clamp,
 hooked up a harbor freight 12 volt pump and sucked it dry... then
plumbed
 in a 2 liter bottle of stoddard solvent and did a power flush of
the
 whole PS system while turning the wheel from lock to lock [car up
on
 stands] with the pump pushing fresh stoddard fluid through the
entire
 system until it ran clean. Sucked it dry of stoddard, and refilled
with
 PS
 fluid.
 
 Clean system... total time.. about 30 min.
 
 Look you system over, you will figure out how to plumb it all so
the aux
 pump cleans and cycles the whole system.
 
 Grant...
 
 On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 1:39 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:
 
 Looking for a possible drain on the steering gear on my W140, I
noticed
 there was a large bolt head about halfway up the front (bottom)
side.
 
 Anyone know if this is a drain?
 
 I don't want to be removing bolts from the steering gear box
without
 knowing what they are for
 
 Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering/Steering Gearbox Question

2013-03-14 Thread WILTON

'Nother ATTABOY! for the sergeant.

Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Power Steering/Steering Gearbox Question


Hah, that reminds me of comment from new SECDEF to a staff sergeant 
yesterday.  Mr Hagel served as an Army grunt in Vietnam, and told the 
sergeant there was a time in his life when he was terrified of staff 
sergeants.  Sergeant replied You should be sir.


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Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20

Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote:


Stoddard Solvent is dry cleaning fluid.  Works wonders at cleaning
virtually everything.  I remember procuring a gallon of it when I was
going through AOCS in Pensacola for the class.  We kept it in the mop
closet (away from prying eyes).  At the dreaded rifle inspection the DI
could not find any dirt on any of the rifles.  We still had to do a
thousand hop-n-pops for having rifles that were TOO cleanbut we
passed and got to go on liberty for the weekend.
Jon



On Mar 13, 2013, at 10:05 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:


The turkey baster does work over time.  Without solvent or flush I'd

expect

any new fluid to turn dark pretty quick.  Once you do it a few times

you'd

be able to see the filter at the bottom of the reservoir for quite a

while.

The new fluid will end up cleaning stuff up or mixing with fluid you

never

really got out earlier.


On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 7:52 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:


Where do you find stoddard solvent these days? I haven't seen it

years -

but haven't really tried. I used many gallons of it washing the oil

off the

belly of Dad's C195, back in the day!

On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 6:02 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:


I opened the return line and slipped some rubber hose over it with

a

clamp,

hooked up a harbor freight 12 volt pump and sucked it dry... then

plumbed

in a 2 liter bottle of stoddard solvent and did a power flush of

the

whole PS system while turning the wheel from lock to lock [car up

on

stands] with the pump pushing fresh stoddard fluid through the

entire

system until it ran clean. Sucked it dry of stoddard, and refilled

with

PS

fluid.

Clean system... total time.. about 30 min.

Look you system over, you will figure out how to plumb it all so

the aux

pump cleans and cycles the whole system.

Grant...

On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 1:39 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:


Looking for a possible drain on the steering gear on my W140, I

noticed

there was a large bolt head about halfway up the front (bottom)

side.


Anyone know if this is a drain?

I don't want to be removing bolts from the steering gear box

without

knowing what they are for

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering/Steering Gearbox Question

2013-03-13 Thread Rich Thomas

Come on, live life on the edge!

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On 3/13/13 4:39 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:

Looking for a possible drain on the steering gear on my W140, I noticed there 
was a large bolt head about halfway up the front (bottom) side.

Anyone know if this is a drain?

I don't want to be removing bolts from the steering gear box without knowing 
what they are for

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering/Steering Gearbox Question

2013-03-13 Thread Max Dillon
There is no drain bolt, but...

The hole for the locking bolt (locks the steering gear in center position) is 
what I use.  FSM should describe that job and show the bolt.  It is either 13 
or 14mm.  Once you get it out, if the steering is pointed straight ahead, you 
will see a detent in the hole where the tip of the locking bolt engages.  

In order to get the fluid to drain, you must turn the steering off center to 
move the internals so they don't block the whole.

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Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:

Looking for a possible drain on the steering gear on my W140, I noticed
there was a large bolt head about halfway up the front (bottom) side.

Anyone know if this is a drain?

I don't want to be removing bolts from the steering gear box without
knowing what they are for

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering/Steering Gearbox Question

2013-03-13 Thread G Mann
I opened the return line and slipped some rubber hose over it with a clamp,
hooked up a harbor freight 12 volt pump and sucked it dry... then plumbed
in a 2 liter bottle of stoddard solvent and did a power flush of the
whole PS system while turning the wheel from lock to lock [car up on
stands] with the pump pushing fresh stoddard fluid through the entire
system until it ran clean. Sucked it dry of stoddard, and refilled with PS
fluid.

Clean system... total time.. about 30 min.

Look you system over, you will figure out how to plumb it all so the aux
pump cleans and cycles the whole system.

Grant...

On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 1:39 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:

 Looking for a possible drain on the steering gear on my W140, I noticed
 there was a large bolt head about halfway up the front (bottom) side.

 Anyone know if this is a drain?

 I don't want to be removing bolts from the steering gear box without
 knowing what they are for

 Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering/Steering Gearbox Question

2013-03-13 Thread Dan Penoff
The return line on the W140 is pretty tough to get to, nothing like earlier 
models where it's right out there with a hose clamp on it.  I don't have any 
Stoddard solvent, but I do have two liters of MB PS fluid, so I have plenty to 
flush.

I'm not keen about the turkey baster/suck the reservoir dry/refill/repeat 
approach, as I think it's horribly inefficient and won't get all of the old 
fluid out.  I would be a lot more comfortable with a drain and refill at least.

I have some things to take care of in the morning, then I'll get it up on jack 
stands and have a closer look.  If I can remove the centering bolt and use that 
to drain the system I would be happy with that

Thanks,

Dan


On Mar 13, 2013, at 7:02 PM, G Mann wrote:

 I opened the return line and slipped some rubber hose over it with a clamp,
 hooked up a harbor freight 12 volt pump and sucked it dry... then plumbed
 in a 2 liter bottle of stoddard solvent and did a power flush of the
 whole PS system while turning the wheel from lock to lock [car up on
 stands] with the pump pushing fresh stoddard fluid through the entire
 system until it ran clean. Sucked it dry of stoddard, and refilled with PS
 fluid.
 
 Clean system... total time.. about 30 min.
 
 Look you system over, you will figure out how to plumb it all so the aux
 pump cleans and cycles the whole system.
 
 Grant...
 
 On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 1:39 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:
 
 Looking for a possible drain on the steering gear on my W140, I noticed
 there was a large bolt head about halfway up the front (bottom) side.
 
 Anyone know if this is a drain?
 
 I don't want to be removing bolts from the steering gear box without
 knowing what they are for
 
 Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering/Steering Gearbox Question

2013-03-13 Thread OK Don
Where do you find stoddard solvent these days? I haven't seen it years -
but haven't really tried. I used many gallons of it washing the oil off the
belly of Dad's C195, back in the day!

On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 6:02 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:

 I opened the return line and slipped some rubber hose over it with a clamp,
 hooked up a harbor freight 12 volt pump and sucked it dry... then plumbed
 in a 2 liter bottle of stoddard solvent and did a power flush of the
 whole PS system while turning the wheel from lock to lock [car up on
 stands] with the pump pushing fresh stoddard fluid through the entire
 system until it ran clean. Sucked it dry of stoddard, and refilled with PS
 fluid.

 Clean system... total time.. about 30 min.

 Look you system over, you will figure out how to plumb it all so the aux
 pump cleans and cycles the whole system.

 Grant...

 On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 1:39 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:

  Looking for a possible drain on the steering gear on my W140, I noticed
  there was a large bolt head about halfway up the front (bottom) side.
 
  Anyone know if this is a drain?
 
  I don't want to be removing bolts from the steering gear box without
  knowing what they are for
 
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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering/Steering Gearbox Question

2013-03-13 Thread Brian Toscano
The turkey baster does work over time.  Without solvent or flush I'd expect
any new fluid to turn dark pretty quick.  Once you do it a few times you'd
be able to see the filter at the bottom of the reservoir for quite a while.
 The new fluid will end up cleaning stuff up or mixing with fluid you never
really got out earlier.


On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 7:52 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

 Where do you find stoddard solvent these days? I haven't seen it years -
 but haven't really tried. I used many gallons of it washing the oil off the
 belly of Dad's C195, back in the day!

 On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 6:02 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:

  I opened the return line and slipped some rubber hose over it with a
 clamp,
  hooked up a harbor freight 12 volt pump and sucked it dry... then plumbed
  in a 2 liter bottle of stoddard solvent and did a power flush of the
  whole PS system while turning the wheel from lock to lock [car up on
  stands] with the pump pushing fresh stoddard fluid through the entire
  system until it ran clean. Sucked it dry of stoddard, and refilled with
 PS
  fluid.
 
  Clean system... total time.. about 30 min.
 
  Look you system over, you will figure out how to plumb it all so the aux
  pump cleans and cycles the whole system.
 
  Grant...
 
  On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 1:39 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:
 
   Looking for a possible drain on the steering gear on my W140, I noticed
   there was a large bolt head about halfway up the front (bottom) side.
  
   Anyone know if this is a drain?
  
   I don't want to be removing bolts from the steering gear box without
   knowing what they are for
  
   Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Power steering leak - yep, I did it

2012-01-13 Thread Craig
On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 13:45:51 -0500 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 While tightening cap on 91 350SDL power steering pump a few weeks ago,
 I evidently let the cap turn.  This caused the gasket to get slightly
 chewed/cut, which has resulted in a leak.  Rusty is sending a new
 gasket.  

Rusty sure takes care of us, doesn't he?

Anyway, what I think you meant to say is you were tightening the
butterfly nut on the power steering pump reservior's threaded shaft and
inadvertently turned the cap itself, cutting the gasket.

I'll have to pay attention to that myself.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Power steering leak - yep, I did it

2012-01-13 Thread WILTON

'Zackly my point.

Wilton

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On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 13:45:51 -0500 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:


While tightening cap on 91 350SDL power steering pump a few weeks ago,
I evidently let the cap turn.  This caused the gasket to get slightly
chewed/cut, which has resulted in a leak.  Rusty is sending a new
gasket.  


Rusty sure takes care of us, doesn't he?

Anyway, what I think you meant to say is you were tightening the
butterfly nut on the power steering pump reservior's threaded shaft and
inadvertently turned the cap itself, cutting the gasket.

I'll have to pay attention to that myself.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid

2011-08-25 Thread Walt Zarnoch
Mix with acetone, use on stuck bolts.

Walt
On Aug 24, 2011 11:22 PM, Jerry Herrman jer...@san.rr.com wrote:
 It appears I throw nothing away. Which is why I have run out of room in
the garage. Gotta get rid of some things.
 Let's start with PS fluid. I have about a dozen bottles, various brands.
Never used even one. (Please don't ask why I acquired them).They are the
one size fits all type, claiming they are compatible with all PS units.
Y'all have taught me not to believe that.
 It goes against my instincts to just throw things out, like normal people
do. So, does anyone know of an alternate use for these products, other than
burning them is a diesel engine? (Chain saw oil, thread cutting oil, killing
ants/termites, compost pile, ANYTHING?)
 Will they be valuable one day?
 Your thoughts?

 Jerry
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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid

2011-08-25 Thread Max Dillon
Should work fine in the older MB cars. Can also use to lube the throttle 
linkage.

Max
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Jerry Herrman jer...@san.rr.com wrote:

It appears I throw nothing away. Which is why I have run out of room in the 
garage. Gotta get rid of some things.
Let's start with PS fluid. I have about a dozen bottles, various brands. Never 
used even one. (Please don't ask why I acquired them).They are the one size 
fits all type, claiming they are compatible with all PS units. Y'all have 
taught me not to believe that.
It goes against my instincts to just throw things out, like normal people do. 
So, does anyone know of an alternate use for these products, other than burning 
them is a diesel engine? (Chain saw oil, thread cutting oil, killing 
ants/termites, compost pile, ANYTHING?) 
Will they be valuable one day?
Your thoughts?

Jerry
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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid

2011-08-25 Thread Allan Streib
On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 09:28 -0400, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote:

 Should work fine in the older MB cars. Can also use to lube the throttle 
 linkage.

Older cars use ATF for power steering, no?

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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid

2011-08-25 Thread Max Dillon
Yes, and I'm pretty confident that your PSF, if not too old, would work fine.

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Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote:

On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 09:28 -0400, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote:

 Should work fine in the older MB cars. Can also use to lube the throttle 
 linkage.

Older cars use ATF for power steering, no?

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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid

2011-08-24 Thread Rolf
Most petroleum fluids are hydroscopic, so chances are they have already 
absorbed enough water to make then worthless :D


-Rolf

On 8/24/2011 11:22 PM, Jerry Herrman wrote:

It appears I throw nothing away. Which is why I have run out of room in the 
garage. Gotta get rid of some things.
Let's start with PS fluid. I have about a dozen bottles, various brands.  Never used even 
one. (Please don't ask why I acquired them).They are the one size fits all 
type, claiming they are compatible with all PS units. Y'all have taught me not to believe 
that.
It goes against my instincts to just throw things out, like normal people do. 
So, does anyone know of an alternate use for these products, other than burning 
them is a diesel engine? (Chain saw oil, thread cutting oil, killing 
ants/termites, compost pile, ANYTHING?)
Will they be valuable one day?
Your thoughts?

Jerry
1982 240D


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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Groaning

2009-11-03 Thread andrew strasfogel
The noise probably has something to do with the suspension rather than the
power steering system.  Think bushings, tie rod ends, etc.



On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Rich Thomas 
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

 79 TD, fluid is clean and up to proper level.  I recall some mention of
 this issue in the past but don't remember the story.  Steering works OK,
 just groans when I turn the wheel.  This is a fairly recent innovation that
 Brunnhilda has presented.

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Re: [MBZ] Power steering pump on W124/M119 (1994 E420)

2009-05-16 Thread E M
for that screw, maybe try an allen wrench, not a socket, and put a small
matching wrench on the hex part of the shaft.  I know not the standard way
of doing things, but when all else fairs, you do what you gotta do. lol.  Oh
yeah, and watch your fingers.

Good luck.

Ed
300E

2009/5/15 Craig McCluskey diese...@cnsp.com

 On Fri, 15 May 2009 17:20:40 -0600 Craig McCluskey diese...@cnsp.com
 wrote:

  I'll send pictures separately because I know they will be delayed.

 Here are the pictures ...


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Re: [MBZ] Power steering pump on W124/M119 (1994 E420)

2009-05-16 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Sat, 16 May 2009 09:22:34 -0400 E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote:

 for that screw, maybe try an allen wrench, not a socket, and put a small
 matching wrench on the hex part of the shaft.  I know not the standard
 way of doing things, but when all else fairs, you do what you gotta do.
 lol.  Oh yeah, and watch your fingers.
 
 Good luck.

Thanks. I remembered one of the special tools that Dave Meiman made and
figured I would get a 5mm Allen wrench and cut off some on each leg so it
would fit. Now I just need to get the wrench.

I borrowed a longer Allen wrench from a neighbor which proved sufficient
to remove the screw underneath the plastic shield (the third one holding
it on). I guess one needs a new set of special tools for each type of
car.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Power steering pump on W124/M119 (1994 E420)

2009-05-16 Thread OK Don
Exactly. I have several short pieces of Allen wrench that I've cut off the
long end of one to turn with either a wrench or a 1/4 socket, depending on
what will reach where.

On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Craig McCluskey diese...@cnsp.com wrote:

 On Sat, 16 May 2009 09:22:34 -0400 E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote:

  for that screw, maybe try an allen wrench, not a socket, and put a small
  matching wrench on the hex part of the shaft.  I know not the standard
  way of doing things, but when all else fairs, you do what you gotta do.
  lol.  Oh yeah, and watch your fingers.
 
  Good luck.

 Thanks. I remembered one of the special tools that Dave Meiman made and
 figured I would get a 5mm Allen wrench and cut off some on each leg so it
 would fit. Now I just need to get the wrench.

 I borrowed a longer Allen wrench from a neighbor which proved sufficient
 to remove the screw underneath the plastic shield (the third one holding
 it on). I guess one needs a new set of special tools for each type of
 car.


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KD5NRO
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Re: [MBZ] Power steering pump on W124/M119 (1994 E420)

2009-05-16 Thread Luther
A selection of bits is very helpful, something similar to 
http://cgi.ebay.com/100-Pcs-Screwdriver-Bit-Set-Case-Hex-Torx-Philips_W0QQitemZ120418781152QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item1c0984c7e0_trksid=p3286.c0.m14_trkparms=72%3A570%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50




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'85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine The Accordion



Quoting OK Don okd...@gmail.com:

Exactly. I have several short pieces of Allen wrench that I've cut off the
long end of one to turn with either a wrench or a 1/4 socket, depending on
what will reach where. 


On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Craig McCluskey diese...@cnsp.com wrote:

 On Sat, 16 May 2009 09:22:34 -0400 E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote:

  for that screw, maybe try an allen wrench, not a socket, and put a small
  matching wrench on the hex part of the shaft.  I know not the standard
  way of doing things, but when all else fairs, you do what you gotta do. 
  lol.  Oh yeah, and watch your fingers. 
 
  Good luck. 


 Thanks. I remembered one of the special tools that Dave Meiman made and
 figured I would get a 5mm Allen wrench and cut off some on each leg so it
 would fit. Now I just need to get the wrench. 


 I borrowed a longer Allen wrench from a neighbor which proved sufficient
 to remove the screw underneath the plastic shield (the third one holding
 it on). I guess one needs a new set of special tools for each type of
 car. 



 --
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Re: [MBZ] Power steering pump on W124/M119 (1994 E420)

2009-05-16 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Luther benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote:
 A selection of bits is very helpful, something similar to
http://tinyurl.com/pldtzu

Ooh, nice.  Undoubtedly made from the finest Chinese pot metal for
that price, but there are some weird ones in there I've never heard of
that just might save the day at some point.

The same seller has a DC clamp ammeter:
http://tinyurl.com/r2wjg8

Wouldn't that be just the thing for measuring glow plug current draw?  Jim?

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Re: [MBZ] Power steering pump on W124/M119 (1994 E420)

2009-05-15 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Fri, 15 May 2009 17:20:40 -0600 Craig McCluskey diese...@cnsp.com
wrote:

 I'll send pictures separately because I know they will be delayed.

Here are the pictures ...


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Re: [MBZ] Power steering flush/fill

2008-11-14 Thread Mak
A nice  way to do a flush- refill.  I  will try it out next time. It Sure 
does save the hassle of  removing the  pipe from the pump reservoir.


regards
mak
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Subject: [MBZ] Power steering flush/fill



Way behind (on digest) but catching up...

My method:  put front end up on jackstands, position drain pan under pwr 
strg box, remove plug for the centering bolt, turn wheels off center. 
Remove the reservoir cap, all the fluid runs out of the box.


Refill does take some time as there will be a lot of air to work out of 
the system by turning the wheels lock to lock.




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Re: [MBZ] power steering fluid ??

2008-11-11 Thread LarryT
Mercedes says ATF is not acceptable for their cars after 1985.  


Sincerely,
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] power steering fluid ??


No, do NOT use ATF, use power steering fluid (they are NOT the  
same!).  ATF will cause the steering box to leak, as mine does.  Much  
less after a year of proper PS fluid.


The W123 chassis used ATF.

Pete

On Nov 10, 2008, at 11:21 AM, E M wrote:

Can someone refresh my memory?  In a W124 gasser, you can use Mobil  
1 ATF

for the power steering, correct?

It's snowing here, and I have a few things on the list, but changing
steering fluid is as motivated as I can get today.

I seem to remember, suck out what you can, add while turning the  
steering
wheel.  Wait awhile and repeat.  After 3 times, most of the fluid  
will be

changed?  Umm, there's a filter in there too I think?

Ed
300E



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Re: [MBZ] power steering fluid ??

2008-11-11 Thread E M
Can anyone recommend a good brand of PS fluid, or best to just pick up the
MB brand?

Ed
300E

2008/11/11 LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Mercedes says ATF is not acceptable for their cars after 1985.
 Sincerely,
 Larry T  (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T)
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 - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
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 Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 6:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] power steering fluid ??


  No, do NOT use ATF, use power steering fluid (they are NOT the  same!).
  ATF will cause the steering box to leak, as mine does.  Much  less after a
 year of proper PS fluid.

 The W123 chassis used ATF.

 Pete

 On Nov 10, 2008, at 11:21 AM, E M wrote:

  Can someone refresh my memory?  In a W124 gasser, you can use Mobil  1
 ATF
 for the power steering, correct?

 It's snowing here, and I have a few things on the list, but changing
 steering fluid is as motivated as I can get today.

 I seem to remember, suck out what you can, add while turning the
  steering
 wheel.  Wait awhile and repeat.  After 3 times, most of the fluid  will
 be
 changed?  Umm, there's a filter in there too I think?

 Ed
 300E


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Re: [MBZ] power steering fluid ??

2008-11-11 Thread Mitch Haley

E M wrote:

Can anyone recommend a good brand of PS fluid, or best to just pick up the
MB brand?


With the cost of a new Vickers pump, I'd buy a bottle or two of MBZ stuff every 
five years.


Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] Power steering flush/fill was Re: Good on Advance Auto...

2008-11-10 Thread andrew strasfogel
Are you saying there's a Mercedes branded ATF as well as antifreeze?  This
is news to me.

On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 3:14 PM, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Andrew wrote: Mobile 1 is to expensive.  What about a Castrol conventional
 fluid?

 I bought the REAL Mercedes fluid when I changed the fluid and filter on my
 126 gasser.  It wasn't that pricey. I got two bottles of the stuff from
 Rusty and the filter. It took less than 2 bottles to drain, fill, drain,
 fill, drain and fill.  The fluid looked pretty good after the third
 drain/fill.


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Re: [MBZ] Power steering flush/fill was Re: Good on Advance Auto...

2008-11-10 Thread Christopher McCann
I replaced PSF (using ATF, of course), by disconnecting the hose from PSP to 
steering box, put an electric motor on the PSP pulley (using the belt) and 
pumped the fluid out. It blasted out like a fire hose. Tried to refill the same 
way, but you cannot pour the ATF into the pump as fast as the pump pumps it 
out, sohmmm...forget what I did then. Then the next time, I didn't use an 
electric motor, I got all the fluid out simply by turning the steering wheel 
back and forth. Then cleaned the inside of the pump of sludgy stuff, replaced 
filter and refilled while friend turned the wheel back and forth till pump was 
full and all bubbles were out.

Not sure if that is exactly how I did it, my friend would remember 
better...BUT, MY POINT: has anyone done similar? I have used the suck out with 
baster and refill and then repeat method, but the full drain above had much 
better results.

Thoughts? Am I doing harm using this method?

Chris



Next time, I did the same except just turned the w

--- On Mon, 11/10/08, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [MBZ] Power steering flush/fill was Re:  Good on Advance Auto...
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Date: Monday, November 10, 2008, 2:14 PM

Andrew wrote: Mobile 1 is to expensive.  What about a Castrol conventional
fluid?

I bought the REAL Mercedes fluid when I changed the fluid and filter on my 126
gasser.  It wasn't that pricey. I got two bottles of the stuff from Rusty
and the filter. It took less than 2 bottles to drain, fill, drain, fill, drain
and fill.  The fluid looked pretty good after the third drain/fill.


Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] Power steering flush/fill was Re: Good on Advance Auto...

2008-11-10 Thread Mitch Haley

andrew strasfogel wrote:

Are you saying there's a Mercedes branded ATF as well as antifreeze?  This
is news to me.


I'm thinking he used MBZ power steering fluid in his power steering. IIRC, Type 
A ATF was the original fill on older cars (Dexron is OK for replacement), and 
cars made after a certain point should have MBZ PS fluid in them. I should find 
out what my '87 190D and '86 190E take. The '79 300SD takes ATF.


Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] Power steering flush/fill was Re: Good on Advance

2008-11-10 Thread Donald Snook
Chris wrote: Not sure if that is exactly how I did it, my friend would 
remember better...BUT, MY POINT: has anyone done similar? I have used the suck 
out with baster and refill and then repeat method, but the full drain above 
had much better results.

I used my topsider to suck it out, instead of the baster. It cleaned it out 
well.

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Re: [MBZ] Power steering flush/fill

2008-11-10 Thread Curt Raymond
I have to. On a new to me car I do it with every oil change for the first maybe 
4 or 5 changes. Change the filter every other or every third.

The filter lives in the bottom of the housing. Really easy all around.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:30:36 -0600
From: Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Power steering flush/fill was Re: Good on Advance
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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Chris
wrote: Not sure if that is exactly how I did it, my friend would
remember better...BUT, MY POINT: has anyone done similar? I have used
the suck out with baster and refill and then repeat method, but the
full drain above had much better results.

I used my topsider to suck it out, instead of the baster. It cleaned it out 
well.

Donald H. Snook


  
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Re: [MBZ] Power steering flush/fill was Re: Good on Advance

2008-11-10 Thread Donald Snook
Mitch wrote: I'm thinking he used MBZ power steering fluid in his power 
steering.

Yes, that is what I meant.

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Re: [MBZ] power steering fluid ??

2008-11-10 Thread Peter Frederick
No, do NOT use ATF, use power steering fluid (they are NOT the  
same!).  ATF will cause the steering box to leak, as mine does.  Much  
less after a year of proper PS fluid.


The W123 chassis used ATF.

Pete

On Nov 10, 2008, at 11:21 AM, E M wrote:

Can someone refresh my memory?  In a W124 gasser, you can use Mobil  
1 ATF

for the power steering, correct?

It's snowing here, and I have a few things on the list, but changing
steering fluid is as motivated as I can get today.

I seem to remember, suck out what you can, add while turning the  
steering
wheel.  Wait awhile and repeat.  After 3 times, most of the fluid  
will be

changed?  Umm, there's a filter in there too I think?

Ed
300E



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Re: [MBZ] power steering fluid ??

2008-11-10 Thread Curt Raymond
What about the 201? Mine had a terrible leak, I replaced it and the new one 
hasn't leaked but I haven't put in ATF either...

-Curt

Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:34:11 -0600
From: Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] power steering fluid ??
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No, do NOT use ATF, use power steering fluid (they are NOT the  
same!).  ATF will cause the steering box to leak, as mine does.  Much  
less after a year of proper PS fluid.

The W123 chassis used ATF.

Pete


  
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Re: [MBZ] power steering fluid ??

2008-11-10 Thread Peter Frederick
I think the change occured with the W126 chassis in 1981 -- anything  
later than that, use PS fluid, not ATF.


Older pumps are clearly marked Use Automatic transmission fluid only.

Peter

On Nov 10, 2008, at 7:19 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

What about the 201? Mine had a terrible leak, I replaced it and the  
new one hasn't leaked but I haven't put in ATF either...


-Curt

Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:34:11 -0600
From: Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] power steering fluid ??
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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No, do NOT use ATF, use power steering fluid (they are NOT the
same!).  ATF will cause the steering box to leak, as mine does.  Much
less after a year of proper PS fluid.

The W123 chassis used ATF.

Pete



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Re: [MBZ] power steering fluid ??

2008-11-10 Thread Curt Raymond
Actually I remember the pump on the car came dry so I must have put ATF in it. 
I dunno if it leaks or not... It is clearly not the same type of pump as a 123 
car has.

-Curt

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From: Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] power steering fluid ??
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Date: Monday, November 10, 2008, 8:34 PM

I think the change occured with the W126 chassis in 1981 -- anything  
later than that, use PS fluid, not ATF.

Older pumps are clearly marked Use Automatic transmission fluid
only.

Peter

On Nov 10, 2008, at 7:19 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

 What about the 201? Mine had a terrible leak, I replaced it and the  
 new one hasn't leaked but I haven't put in ATF either...

 -Curt

 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:34:11 -0600
 From: Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 No, do NOT use ATF, use power steering fluid (they are NOT the
 same!).  ATF will cause the steering box to leak, as mine does.  Much
 less after a year of proper PS fluid.

 The W123 chassis used ATF.

 Pete



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Re: [MBZ] Power steering flush/fill was Re: Good on Advance Auto...

2008-11-10 Thread John Freer
AFAIK, I kind of remember Marshall stating that if you have a
serpentine belt, you need the MB PS fluid. I have always used that as
a rule of thumb.
John

On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 andrew strasfogel wrote:

 Are you saying there's a Mercedes branded ATF as well as antifreeze?  This
 is news to me.

 I'm thinking he used MBZ power steering fluid in his power steering. IIRC,
 Type A ATF was the original fill on older cars (Dexron is OK for
 replacement), and cars made after a certain point should have MBZ PS fluid
 in them. I should find out what my '87 190D and '86 190E take. The '79 300SD
 takes ATF.

 Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] power steering fluid ??

2008-11-10 Thread John Freer
W126 models through 1985 used ATF.
John

On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 5:34 PM, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I think the change occured with the W126 chassis in 1981 -- anything later
 than that, use PS fluid, not ATF.

 Older pumps are clearly marked Use Automatic transmission fluid only.

 Peter

 On Nov 10, 2008, at 7:19 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

 What about the 201? Mine had a terrible leak, I replaced it and the new
 one hasn't leaked but I haven't put in ATF either...

 -Curt

 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:34:11 -0600
 From: Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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 No, do NOT use ATF, use power steering fluid (they are NOT the
 same!).  ATF will cause the steering box to leak, as mine does.  Much
 less after a year of proper PS fluid.

 The W123 chassis used ATF.

 Pete



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Re: [MBZ] power steering fluid ??

2008-11-10 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:34:11 -0600 Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 No, do NOT use ATF, use power steering fluid (they are NOT the  
 same!).  ATF will cause the steering box to leak, as mine does.  Much  
 less after a year of proper PS fluid.
 
 The W123 chassis used ATF.

I called Rusty about this, having a power steering fluid leak, and he said
the '94 E420 uses normal power steering fluid. I inferred that Mobil 1 ATF
was OK. But something already leaks.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Power steering flush/fill was Re: Good on Advance

2008-11-10 Thread Jim Cathey

I think that removing the return line and hand-cranking
the pulley to pump out all the goo works very well.
Just keep topping off the tank and pump until it comes
out clean.  Work the steering back and forth a few times
too.  It's really not that hard, if you take off the
one hose and the belt.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Problems -- '78 240D

2008-08-02 Thread LarryT
Great... just what I need - another fun project - I wonder if the front end 
will req re-alignment?

Any reason not to use one from a junk yard?   Rusty is selling them for over 
$450 IIRC.   But that would be new -
Thx Jim - helpful as usual -

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 Now that I know it's the Control Valve, maybe you (or someone) could
 tell me
 how hard it is to change?   Then there's always that NASCAR thing -

 You change steering boxes.  Straightforward, but heavy and usually
 a bit on the greasy side.

 -- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Problems -- '78 240D

2008-08-02 Thread Jim Cathey
 I wonder if the front end will req re-alignment?

Shouldn't, though it is possible your steering wheel might not
be centered.  That can be corrected without affecting the alignment.
Carefully.

 Any reason not to use one from a junk yard?

I would.  But you risk getting one that is worn out or leaky.
Still, the price difference is substantial.

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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Problems -- '78 240D

2008-08-01 Thread Jim Cathey
 My '78 240 D has developed a problem - turning to the left works 
 as it
 should but turning to righ feels like there is no PS at all!   Geez - 
 what a
 surprise *that* was!   Anyway, replacing the pump with a known good 
 one did
 nothing to fix the problem.

The pump doesn't know left from right, you shouldn't be surprised
that a new one made no difference.  The control valve is inside
the steering box.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Problems -- '78 240D

2008-08-01 Thread Rich Thomas
Enter your car in some NASCAR races (it would not have a problem with 
shredding tires)?  Put an Obama sticker on it?

--R

LarryT wrote:
 Howdy -
 My '78 240 D has developed a problem - turning to the left works as it 
 should but turning to righ feels like there is no PS at all!   Geez - what a 
 surprise *that* was!   Anyway, replacing the pump with a known good one did 
 nothing to fix the problem.

 What should I look at now??

 Thx!!

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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Problems -- '78 240D

2008-08-01 Thread LarryT
Thx Jim -
Now that I know it's the Control Valve, maybe you (or someone) could tell me 
how hard it is to change?   Then there's always that NASCAR thing -
;-)
Time for the WSM -
Thx!!

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Problems -- '78 240D


 My '78 240 D has developed a problem - turning to the left works
 as it
 should but turning to righ feels like there is no PS at all!   Geez -
 what a
 surprise *that* was!   Anyway, replacing the pump with a known good
 one did
 nothing to fix the problem.

 The pump doesn't know left from right, you shouldn't be surprised
 that a new one made no difference.  The control valve is inside
 the steering box.

 -- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Problems -- '78 240D

2008-08-01 Thread Jim Cathey
 Now that I know it's the Control Valve, maybe you (or someone) could 
 tell me
 how hard it is to change?   Then there's always that NASCAR thing -

You change steering boxes.  Straightforward, but heavy and usually
a bit on the greasy side.

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Re: [MBZ] power steering humming

2007-03-12 Thread Chris Lane

My 300SD did that when I would turn my wheels as I backed out of the
driveway.  It seemed to get better as the car warmed up.  Check your fluid
level.  Mine was low when it did this.  I'm not sure where mine is leaking
from, but I have been periodically checking the level and topping it off.
Chris

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Hi all the power steering on the  126/300SE has a moaning/humming  sound
in the morning ,and goes away as it warms up.
last year I had replaced the fluid and the filter so it not old fluid.
input will be appreciated.
mak
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Re: [MBZ] power steering humming

2007-03-12 Thread M.Afzaal.Khan

Thanks , will recheck .I am using  the transparent power steering fluid

mak

My 300SD did that when I would turn my wheels as I backed out of the
driveway.  It seemed to get better as the car warmed up.  Check your fluid
level.  Mine was low when it did this.  I'm not sure where mine is leaking
from, but I have been periodically checking the level and topping it off.
Chris

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Hi all the power steering on the  126/300SE has a moaning/humming  sound
in the morning ,and goes away as it warms up.
last year I had replaced the fluid and the filter so it not old fluid.
input will be appreciated.
mak
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Re: [MBZ] power steering leak

2006-12-15 Thread Marshall Booth

Sunil Hari wrote:

What's the most likely source of a power steering fluid leak in a 92 300D?
I went outside, saw a small puddle, and checked all the reservoirs, and the
PS reservoir is near empty.



The hoses can leak, the pump seal can leak and the steering box can 
leak. You need to find where the fluid is coming from!! Clean the engine 
compartment up and run the engine - the source of the leak should become 
evident if you're paying attention). When the steering box seals leak it 
usually leaks (dumps) FAST!


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Re: [MBZ] power steering leak

2006-12-15 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

Lines, pump, or box.

Sunil Hari wrote:


What's the most likely source of a power steering fluid leak in a 92 300D?
I went outside, saw a small puddle, and checked all the reservoirs, and the
PS reservoir is near empty.



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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Juice

2006-07-01 Thread Dwight E. Giles, Jr
Larry-IIRC the answer is no. I asked about it for mine.  Marshall said
any MB spec  PS fluid would work-I haven't checked specs.  I used the
expensive Febi stuff from Rusty. I will look for the post and send it to
you off line. 
I stand corrected, all.
Dwight

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1990 300D 2.5t, 130K miles
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Subject: [MBZ] Power Steering Juice


If I knew how to search the archives or if my memory were better I
wouldn't 
have to bother you with this - is Mobil 1 ATF acceptable for use in the 
power steering?  It's for my 91 300D 2.5T W124

TIA -

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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Juice

2006-06-27 Thread Marshall Booth

LarryT wrote:
If I knew how to search the archives or if my memory were better I wouldn't 
have to bother you with this - is Mobil 1 ATF acceptable for use in the 
power steering?  It's for my 91 300D 2.5T W124


ATF is NOT approved for your car (but I doubt that it would do any 
harm). You should use either the Mercedes fluid or the Febi/Bilstein 
equivalent that Rusty sells. The approved oil is one that is slightly 
less viscous than the old type A transmission fluid and has NO lubricity 
additives. The PS fluid is especially better than conventional Dexron 
II/III fluids in winter. Mobil 1 ATF eliminates the cold weather problem 
 that most ATFs exhibit.


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Re: [MBZ] Power steering leak?

2006-06-20 Thread Trampas
Most common leak is power steering hoses. Sometimes pressure hose leaks only
when turning. 

Second most common from my experience is power steering box. Third is front
pump seal, which is usually a slow leak. 

Trampas

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Subject: [MBZ] Power steering leak?

The other day I noticed the power steering on my '85 190D moaning a little
bit first thing in the morning. I made a note to change the PS fluid and
filter when I change the oil this weekend (I always change the PS fluid
anyway). Today I noticed it moaning as I left work, hmmm
  Got home and checked and the resevior was totally empty except for some
down in the filter. Filled it up and looked around. I can't see any obvious
leak but its threatening a thunderstorm so I didn't stay out there. Assuming
it is leaking and is leaking at a constant rate its gone through about a
pint in 4 months/7,000 miles and I'm not too terribly worried about it
especially since I know to watch for it now.
  But still...
  Anywhere common I should check?
   
  -Curt
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That was the next thing I wanted to verify. The clutch is simply a 12v
electromagnet, correct? So I should see 12V coming in on the connector, and
if I put an external 12v source to the compressor I should notice the clutch
moving, correct?

Thanks,
Levi

On 6/19/06, Potter, Tom E wrote:

 Is power (12 Volts) getting to the clutch?

 Tom Potter

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 Sorry, the belt is turning on the compressor. However, the clutch is
 not
 engaged so the compressor is NOT actually turning. So it IS normal for
 the
 low side to be high pressure when th compressor is NOT running.

 So the question is where to look for other reasons that the clutch isn't
 engaging?

 Thanks,
 Levi

 On 6/19/06, Robert  Tara Ludwick wrote:
 
  A bit confusing here, but did the compressor actually start turning or
  not?
  If not, the low side would read high when not running, if low side is
  reading high when running, either it's overcharged, or you have a bum
  expansion valve /orfice tube depending on the setup.
 
  ---Robert
 
  Levi Smith wrote:
   OK, so my 83' 300D didn't have any R134 left in it when I tried it
 this
   spring. I put in a few cans and it was working about as well as
 last
  year
   (it provides SOME cooling at highway speeds). Then it wasn't
 working
  again
   a week or so ago. I figured it had leaked out again, so I figured I
 

Re: [MBZ] power steering filter / fluid change

2006-03-02 Thread Bob Rentfro

Hey LT Don...how's the VW doing?

Bob Rentfro


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Subject: [MBZ] power steering filter / fluid change



Given the great Iowa weather (about 60F) I decided to go ahead with this
task after work today.

I have to wonder when or even if the fluid was last changed. It was really
dark and dirty looking.

And what is with that ceramic-looking filter I removed?  Is that factory?

Opted to not put in Mobil 1 yet, for two reasons: (1) it wasn't available
for purchase at either of the local auto parts stores, and (2) I want to
dilute the crap that is still in the lines with less expensive ATF before 
I

re-drain and put in Mobil 1, probably in a month or so.

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Re: [MBZ] power steering filter / fluid change

2006-03-02 Thread LT Don
Going very well. My $50 car is now a $400 car with new tires still to
follow. It is up on four jack stands at the moment, over in Jeff's
(brother-in-law, hopefully coming to OkieQ 2006) garage.

So far [major stuff only] -- new half-shaft (Rusty), new starter (Rusty),
and new brake master cylinder (Rusty). New parking brake cable went on last
night (Rusty). Tomorrow / Friday, new rear brakes (Loren Faith's garage, God
bless him). Jeff will repack wheel bearings while stuff is being put back
together. Oh, yea, Jeff threw on a new exhaust resonator one day while the
car was up on the lift where he works. ($0) Does need a new muffler someday.


Minor stuff -- four new headlights, all new rubber fuel lines, new filters
everywhere I could find, oil change (Mobil 1 of course), etc. Power steering
filter is still in the trunk, to be installed sometime in the future.

Valve adjustment is down the road.

This is going to be a kick ass car. Will probably ($$$ permitting) have a
veggie oil system installed in the trunk within the next year. 45 mpg on
French fry grease -- don't you just love it?

Note to list -- make friends with Loren 'cause he knows where the bargain
diesels sit, just waiting for someone to revive them.

D.


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 Hey LT Don...how's the VW doing?

 Bob Rentfro


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 Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 5:22 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] power steering filter / fluid change


  Given the great Iowa weather (about 60F) I decided to go ahead with this
  task after work today.
 
  I have to wonder when or even if the fluid was last changed. It was
 really
  dark and dirty looking.
 
  And what is with that ceramic-looking filter I removed?  Is that
 factory?
 
  Opted to not put in Mobil 1 yet, for two reasons: (1) it wasn't
 available
  for purchase at either of the local auto parts stores, and (2) I want to
  dilute the crap that is still in the lines with less expensive ATF
 before
  I
  re-drain and put in Mobil 1, probably in a month or so.
 
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Re: [MBZ] power steering filter / fluid change

2006-03-02 Thread Loren Faeth

Don,

A recent NAPA flyer listed NAPA full synthetic.  Maybe you or Jeff could 
figure out if it is made by mobil.  I think there is a NAPA in J-son isn't 
there?  It might be a source of M1 without having to drive all over to find 
it.  Oreilly was advertising M1 oil filters last summer...  THey  should be 
stocking the M1 blinker fluid soon.


Loren

At 06:22 PM 3/1/2006, you wrote:

Given the great Iowa weather (about 60F) I decided to go ahead with this
task after work today.

I have to wonder when or even if the fluid was last changed. It was really
dark and dirty looking.

And what is with that ceramic-looking filter I removed?  Is that factory?

Opted to not put in Mobil 1 yet, for two reasons: (1) it wasn't available
for purchase at either of the local auto parts stores, and (2) I want to
dilute the crap that is still in the lines with less expensive ATF before I
re-drain and put in Mobil 1, probably in a month or so.

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Re: [MBZ] power steering filter / fluid change

2006-03-02 Thread LT Don
Yes, there is a NAPA here.

We normally head out to Carroll, Boone or Fort Dodge at least every other
weekend, if only to get out of Jefferson for a bit. WalMarts at all three
locations. O'Rielly's in all three towns.

I put in Mystic this evening just to flush out the old crap before I
re-drained and put in synthetic. Didn't want to mix half expensive stuff
with half really old stuff. Might drain once a week and refill for a month
or so, then go Mobil 1. I have 1.5 quarts of Mystic left to use up.

On 3/1/06, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Don,

 A recent NAPA flyer listed NAPA full synthetic.  Maybe you or Jeff could
 figure out if it is made by mobil.  I think there is a NAPA in J-son isn't
 there?  It might be a source of M1 without having to drive all over to
 find
 it.  Oreilly was advertising M1 oil filters last summer...  THey  should
 be
 stocking the M1 blinker fluid soon.

 Loren

 At 06:22 PM 3/1/2006, you wrote:
 Given the great Iowa weather (about 60F) I decided to go ahead with this
 task after work today.
 
 I have to wonder when or even if the fluid was last changed. It was
 really
 dark and dirty looking.
 
 And what is with that ceramic-looking filter I removed?  Is that factory?
 
 Opted to not put in Mobil 1 yet, for two reasons: (1) it wasn't available
 for purchase at either of the local auto parts stores, and (2) I want to
 dilute the crap that is still in the lines with less expensive ATF before
 I
 re-drain and put in Mobil 1, probably in a month or so.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Power steering fluid change

2006-02-01 Thread Tom Scordato
Don, I do not know about the 1990 SEL but recently changed mine out in my 
1979 240D.  I went to Wal-Mart and bought the cheapest ATF ($1.50 a quart) 
and used about two quarts to flush it out.


Drained it, put in the cheap stuff ran it a few minutes, drained and 
repeated until the new stuff in the reservoir was same color as the new 
stuff out of the ATF bottle.  I then drained one more time and put in Mobil 
1 ATF, ($7.00 a quart) took about a quart.  Replace the filter and away you 
go.  Now I need to do my 300D as it has been almost 80K since last replaced 
it with Mobil 1 ATF.


Regards Tom Scordato Bellefonte PA
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Subject: [MBZ] Power steering fluid change



I just ordered two liters of Power Steering Fluid and a filter from
Rusty.  My power steering fluid is BROWN (like oil). Who knows how long
it has been in there.  I hope that is enough fluid to change it out.



Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 123k

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Re: [MBZ] Power steering fluid change

2006-02-01 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

Thats odd considering the dude supposedly did all this work to the car.

Donald Snook wrote:


I just ordered two liters of Power Steering Fluid and a filter from
Rusty.  My power steering fluid is BROWN (like oil). Who knows how long
it has been in there.  I hope that is enough fluid to change it out. 

 


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Re: [MBZ] Power steering fluid change

2006-02-01 Thread Donald Snook
Kaleb wrote:

 

Thats odd considering the dude supposedly did all this work to the
car.

 

I thought it was strange too.  But, I looked through the repair orders
from the dealer and there was nothing related to the power steering.
They (the dealership) flushed the break fluid 3 times in 27 months,
flushed coolant, transmission, etc.  The PO was doing everything at the
dealer and I guess the dealership was not selling this service.  Glad I
checked it. 

 

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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid

2006-02-01 Thread RDeafBoy
 Donald  others,
   Imagine the shock that I got when  @ 171,176 
miles,  I removed  a Ceramic cylindrical sleeve. I guess this is the orignal 
filter 
??!! Anyway I flushed  and filled with Dextron II ATF with new filter [per MB 
guy]. I did this Oct.2005  [ 83 240D]

   NOTE ::
  My friend's father passed away  they're selling  1999  
500SL  about 25,000 miles..Located in Willow Grove,Pa.19090 by 
Turnpike Exit..Basically driven to Florida   for the winter months ... Tan 
/Champagne exterior ; Saddle interiorAsking 25,000 [Might take 23 G 
]...Beautiful ShapeI can look at it for anybody or get pics to 
you.
 Is the price about right ?

 P.S. Hey Larry T- I'd be glad to help out on the 240D if your anywhere 
close to Willow Grove ,Pa. ... I identify with your good/bad day syndrome 
since my brother has deals with it also[Doc cut his nerve-oops] .Being 
physically able ,maybe I can help.

  
  Bob H   


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on hood]


Re: [MBZ] Power steering fluid change

2006-01-31 Thread Sunil Hari
Can't recall 126s, but on my 123 it only took .5L to do a full flush of the
steering box.  Don't think it should take more than a liter to do the whole
thing on a 126.

On 1/31/06, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I just ordered two liters of Power Steering Fluid and a filter from
 Rusty.  My power steering fluid is BROWN (like oil). Who knows how long
 it has been in there.  I hope that is enough fluid to change it out.



 Donald H. Snook

 1990 300SEL 123k

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