Re: [MBZ] Rebuilding Floor Jack

2015-08-30 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
I would have no issues with sending it back. They are the ones who promote a 
lifetime (thinking that is MY lifetime) guarantee as part of their marketing. 
Plus from what I have heard they have absolutely no issue with swapping stuff 
out. 

Same with car parts. I buy a lifetime guarantee alternator for my truck, I keep 
the truck forever, I need new alternators, I get one. 

--R (sent from my miniPad)

On Aug 28, 2015, at 3:03 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
wrote:

*Nod*
Its like the people that take their old worn out boots back to LL Bean because 
Its got a lifetime guarantee. I've got a backpack from LL Bean I'll replace 
because it lasted 25 years. The fabric is losing its waterproof backing now but 
I figure 25 years of hard use (4 of those years I was in high school, thats 
hard use) were a good life. Fortunately they still make the same pack...
-Curt
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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rebuilding Floor Jack

And what happened to integrity - doing what is right when nobody else is 
watching?

Wilton

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To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rebuilding Floor Jack


 Ok, so I load up a 3-1/2 ton floor jack, drag it into the store, then 
 start carrying on about it having a lifetime warranty?
 
 I can see that ending well.  I think not.
 
 Dan
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Aug 28, 2015, at 12:21 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Yeah, we may know that but the dumbas* Sears clerk may not.  It;'s worth 
 a try.
 
 On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 12:18 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 Craftsman hand tools are guaranteed for life. Not power tools or things 
 like floor jacks.
 
 Dan
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Aug 28, 2015, at 12:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
 astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Craftsman tools are supposedly guaranteed for LIFE!  Write to the VP 
 in case the local store doesn't honor this warranty.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Rebuilding Floor Jack

2015-08-30 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Some years ago, while buying a lifetime guarantee part, I ask the parts
man, who happened to also own the company, What exact does it mean,
Lifetime Guarantee.

His reply has stayed with me since.. Without smiling and with a straight
face, he said It means that if you ever bring the SOB back, I'll kill you
...

Pretty much sums up much of my experience since with stores that advertise
Lifetime Guarantees.


On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 7:18 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 I would have no issues with sending it back. They are the ones who promote
 a lifetime (thinking that is MY lifetime) guarantee as part of their
 marketing. Plus from what I have heard they have absolutely no issue with
 swapping stuff out.

 Same with car parts. I buy a lifetime guarantee alternator for my truck, I
 keep the truck forever, I need new alternators, I get one.

 --R (sent from my miniPad)

 On Aug 28, 2015, at 3:03 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 *Nod*
 Its like the people that take their old worn out boots back to LL Bean
 because Its got a lifetime guarantee. I've got a backpack from LL Bean
 I'll replace because it lasted 25 years. The fabric is losing its
 waterproof backing now but I figure 25 years of hard use (4 of those years
 I was in high school, thats hard use) were a good life. Fortunately they
 still make the same pack...
 -Curt
  From: WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Cc: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com
 Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 1:31 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rebuilding Floor Jack

 And what happened to integrity - doing what is right when nobody else is
 watching?

 Wilton

 - Original Message -
 From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com
 Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 12:38 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rebuilding Floor Jack


  Ok, so I load up a 3-1/2 ton floor jack, drag it into the store, then
  start carrying on about it having a lifetime warranty?
 
  I can see that ending well.  I think not.
 
  Dan
 
  Sent from my iPad
 
  On Aug 28, 2015, at 12:21 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  Yeah, we may know that but the dumbas* Sears clerk may not.  It;'s worth
  a try.
 
  On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 12:18 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
  mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
  Craftsman hand tools are guaranteed for life. Not power tools or things
  like floor jacks.
 
  Dan
 
  Sent from my iPad
 
  On Aug 28, 2015, at 12:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel
  astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Craftsman tools are supposedly guaranteed for LIFE!  Write to the VP
  in case the local store doesn't honor this warranty.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Rebuilding Floor Jack

2015-08-30 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
LOL, assuming he wasn't serious...

On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 10:25 AM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 wrote:

 Some years ago, while buying a lifetime guarantee part, I ask the parts
 man, who happened to also own the company, What exact does it mean,
 Lifetime Guarantee.

 His reply has stayed with me since.. Without smiling and with a straight
 face, he said It means that if you ever bring the SOB back, I'll kill you
 ...

 Pretty much sums up much of my experience since with stores that advertise
 Lifetime Guarantees.


 On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 7:18 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

  I would have no issues with sending it back. They are the ones who
 promote
  a lifetime (thinking that is MY lifetime) guarantee as part of their
  marketing. Plus from what I have heard they have absolutely no issue with
  swapping stuff out.
 
  Same with car parts. I buy a lifetime guarantee alternator for my truck,
 I
  keep the truck forever, I need new alternators, I get one.
 
  --R (sent from my miniPad)
 
  On Aug 28, 2015, at 3:03 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
  mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
  *Nod*
  Its like the people that take their old worn out boots back to LL Bean
  because Its got a lifetime guarantee. I've got a backpack from LL Bean
  I'll replace because it lasted 25 years. The fabric is losing its
  waterproof backing now but I figure 25 years of hard use (4 of those
 years
  I was in high school, thats hard use) were a good life. Fortunately they
  still make the same pack...
  -Curt
   From: WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
  To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Cc: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com
  Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 1:31 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rebuilding Floor Jack
 
  And what happened to integrity - doing what is right when nobody else is
  watching?
 
  Wilton
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
  To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com
  Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 12:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rebuilding Floor Jack
 
 
   Ok, so I load up a 3-1/2 ton floor jack, drag it into the store, then
   start carrying on about it having a lifetime warranty?
  
   I can see that ending well.  I think not.
  
   Dan
  
   Sent from my iPad
  
   On Aug 28, 2015, at 12:21 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
 astrasfo...@gmail.com
   wrote:
  
   Yeah, we may know that but the dumbas* Sears clerk may not.  It;'s
 worth
   a try.
  
   On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 12:18 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
   mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
   Craftsman hand tools are guaranteed for life. Not power tools or
 things
   like floor jacks.
  
   Dan
  
   Sent from my iPad
  
   On Aug 28, 2015, at 12:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel
   astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   Craftsman tools are supposedly guaranteed for LIFE!  Write to the VP
   in case the local store doesn't honor this warranty.
  
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Re: [MBZ] Rebuilding Floor Jack

2015-08-29 Thread Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes
I managed to shame the Sears guy into replacing one of my (very nice)
ignition wrenches that I broke.  He said they didn't have one, but I pointed
out a set which included the same wrench. He said he couldn't break up a
set, but I pointed out that the broken wrench broke up MY set. I was
prepared to continue in that vein long enough to cost them more in lost
sales than honoring their guarantee would.

This was a while back, and I no longer think of Craftsman tools as pretty
decent for the money; so seldom shop there.

Greg

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McLain via Mercedes
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 12:05 PM
To: Curt Raymond; Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Curly McLain
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rebuilding Floor Jack

Not true for most of their tools with more than one moving part.
-Curt

the tap handle on my crapsman tap and die set broke almost immediately.
Snears refused to replace it.  They only sneered at me. 
After that, i've not bought much from snears.  HF or FLAPS gets my biz now

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Re: [MBZ] Rebuilding Floor Jack

2015-08-28 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Craftsman tools are supposedly guaranteed for LIFE!  Write to the VP in
case the local store doesn't honor this warranty.

On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 5:02 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Thanks, Grant.

 Yes, it’s full of fluid.  It leaks out of the main ram area, so I know
 that O ring is shot.

 Sears has a manual for it, but nothing on the inner workings of the
 cylinder or valves.

 There are any number of folks selling “rebuild kits” for these jacks out
 there, but I wince at the thought of paying someone $50 for a couple of O
 rings.  One of the web sites I looked at today said that the Harbor Freight
 metric O ring kit would have everything needed to reseal the cylinder and
 valves.

 I’m going to swing by HF tonight and drop $8.00 for the O ring set.  I’ll
 probably tear into it this weekend.

 Dan


  On Aug 27, 2015, at 4:54 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 wrote:
 
  First question: Have you added fluid to proper amount?
  If it's leaking and fluid level is low.. it won't pump as it should.
 
  Next questions: Does the Craftsman site have an exploded parts manual for
  the exact jack?
 
  Parts manual?
 
  Parts available?
 
  If you have the parts diagram, you can see how it comes apart.. order
 parts
  and have them in advance..
 
  O rings, seals, and valves and seats.. You will have an AS NEW jack...
  shouldn't take you more than a couple hours.
 


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Re: [MBZ] Rebuilding Floor Jack

2015-08-28 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Pretty much, that's what i recommend.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Ok, so I load up a 3-1/2 ton floor jack, drag it into the store, then
 start carrying on about it having a lifetime warranty?

 I can see that ending well.  I think not.

 Dan

 Sent from my iPad

  On Aug 28, 2015, at 12:21 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Yeah, we may know that but the dumbas* Sears clerk may not.  It;'s worth
 a try.
 
  On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 12:18 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
  Craftsman hand tools are guaranteed for life. Not power tools or things
 like floor jacks.
 
  Dan
 
  Sent from my iPad
 
   On Aug 28, 2015, at 12:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
 astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   Craftsman tools are supposedly guaranteed for LIFE!  Write to the VP
 in case the local store doesn't honor this warranty.
  
 
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Re: [MBZ] Rebuilding Floor Jack

2015-08-28 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Ok, so I load up a 3-1/2 ton floor jack, drag it into the store, then start 
carrying on about it having a lifetime warranty?

I can see that ending well.  I think not.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

 On Aug 28, 2015, at 12:21 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Yeah, we may know that but the dumbas* Sears clerk may not.  It;'s worth a 
 try.
 
 On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 12:18 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 Craftsman hand tools are guaranteed for life. Not power tools or things like 
 floor jacks.
 
 Dan
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
  On Aug 28, 2015, at 12:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com 
  wrote:
 
  Craftsman tools are supposedly guaranteed for LIFE!  Write to the VP in 
  case the local store doesn't honor this warranty.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Rebuilding Floor Jack

2015-08-28 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Yeah, we may know that but the dumbas* Sears clerk may not.  It;'s worth a
try.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 12:18 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Craftsman hand tools are guaranteed for life. Not power tools or things
 like floor jacks.

 Dan

 Sent from my iPad

  On Aug 28, 2015, at 12:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Craftsman tools are supposedly guaranteed for LIFE!  Write to the VP in
 case the local store doesn't honor this warranty.
 

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Re: [MBZ] Rebuilding Floor Jack

2015-08-28 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Craftsman hand tools are guaranteed for life. Not power tools or things like 
floor jacks.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

 On Aug 28, 2015, at 12:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Craftsman tools are supposedly guaranteed for LIFE!  Write to the VP in case 
 the local store doesn't honor this warranty.
 

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Re: [MBZ] Rebuilding Floor Jack

2015-08-28 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
And what happened to integrity - doing what is right when nobody else is 
watching?


Wilton

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To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rebuilding Floor Jack


Ok, so I load up a 3-1/2 ton floor jack, drag it into the store, then 
start carrying on about it having a lifetime warranty?


I can see that ending well.  I think not.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 28, 2015, at 12:21 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com 
wrote:


Yeah, we may know that but the dumbas* Sears clerk may not.  It;'s worth 
a try.


On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 12:18 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
Craftsman hand tools are guaranteed for life. Not power tools or things 
like floor jacks.


Dan

Sent from my iPad

 On Aug 28, 2015, at 12:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
 astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:


 Craftsman tools are supposedly guaranteed for LIFE!  Write to the VP 
 in case the local store doesn't honor this warranty.



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Re: [MBZ] Rebuilding Floor Jack

2015-08-28 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
Rick opines on integrity:

Integrity is for the proletariat, and perhaps some of the bourgeoisie. It is 
most decidedly NOT practiced among the aristocracy. 

‎Or wannabee aristocracy‎. Or
The self important entitled peasantry.

Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] Rebuilding Floor Jack

2015-08-28 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
Wilson inquires:

And what happened to integrity - doing what is right when nobody else is 
watching?


Integrity is for the proletariat, and perhaps some of the bourgeoisie. It is 
most decidedly NOT practiced among the aristocracy. 

Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] Rebuilding Floor Jack

2015-08-28 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

Not true for most of their tools with more than one moving part.
-Curt


the tap handle on my crapsman tap and die set broke almost 
immediately.  Snears refused to replace it.  They only sneered at me. 
After that, i've not bought much from snears.  HF or FLAPS gets my 
biz now


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Re: [MBZ] Rebuilding Floor Jack

2015-08-28 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Not true for most of their tools with more than one moving part.
-Curt

  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com 
 Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 12:08 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rebuilding Floor Jack
   
Craftsman tools are supposedly guaranteed for LIFE!  Write to the VP in
case the local store doesn't honor this warranty.

On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 5:02 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Thanks, Grant.

 Yes, it’s full of fluid.  It leaks out of the main ram area, so I know
 that O ring is shot.

 Sears has a manual for it, but nothing on the inner workings of the
 cylinder or valves.

 There are any number of folks selling “rebuild kits” for these jacks out
 there, but I wince at the thought of paying someone $50 for a couple of O
 rings.  One of the web sites I looked at today said that the Harbor Freight
 metric O ring kit would have everything needed to reseal the cylinder and
 valves.

 I’m going to swing by HF tonight and drop $8.00 for the O ring set.  I’ll
 probably tear into it this weekend.

 Dan


  On Aug 27, 2015, at 4:54 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 wrote:
 
  First question: Have you added fluid to proper amount?
  If it's leaking and fluid level is low.. it won't pump as it should.
 
  Next questions: Does the Craftsman site have an exploded parts manual for
  the exact jack?
 
  Parts manual?
 
  Parts available?
 
  If you have the parts diagram, you can see how it comes apart.. order
 parts
  and have them in advance..
 
  O rings, seals, and valves and seats.. You will have an AS NEW jack...
  shouldn't take you more than a couple hours.
 


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Re: [MBZ] Rebuilding Floor Jack

2015-08-28 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
‎Curly sez:

After that, i've not bought much from snears.  HF or FLAPS gets my
biz now


Some things are best purchased from Mac or Snap On believe it or not. Sockets 
would be a good example. Snappy's patented technology is called Flank-Drive 
I think, and it works quite well. 
‎
Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] Rebuilding Floor Jack

2015-08-28 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

 
 Some things are best purchased from Mac or Snap On believe it or not. Sockets
 would be a good example. Snappy's patented technology is called
 Flank-Drive I think, and it works quite well. 

But for many years now, I've been buying sockets from HF with broached-out
corners that look just like Flank Drive.
I think you're right in that it was patented instead of copyrighted. I've got
Flank Drive sockets dating back to the late 1970s so I'm sure the patent is long
gone. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Rebuilding Floor Jack

2015-08-28 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Was it Crapsman branded? They've got a bunch of other crappy tool brands now to 
get out of the warranty business.
Best thing I ever did 5-8 years ago was buy an SK ratchet, its an excellent 
tool. Sadly I guess they've gone in the toilet now too but the ratchet I got is 
fantastic. Way better than any of the Crapsman ones I've ever had.
The Crapsman wrenches now are particularly egregious. They feel terrible in the 
hand, rough and scratchy. The HF cheapies are polished and lovely, strong too.
-Curt
  From: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com
 To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List 
mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 3:04 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rebuilding Floor Jack
   


Not true for most of their tools with more than one moving part.
-Curt

the tap handle on my crapsman tap and die set broke almost 
immediately.  Snears refused to replace it.  They only sneered at me. 
After that, i've not bought much from snears.  HF or FLAPS gets my 
biz now


  
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Re: [MBZ] Rebuilding Floor Jack

2015-08-28 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

Was it Crapsman branded?  Yes, it was part of a crapsman tap and die set.

SK and Truecraft are wonderful and reasonably priced.  I had a little 
US 3/8 drive SK Socket set I carried in my original 190D.  It came in 
a little steel box.  Truecraft makes a Metric allen wrench set that 
goes up to 17mm.  I am on my second set in 40 years.  the first set 
was stolen ~20 years ago.  I have never broken one of them. 
Truecraft 12 adjustable wrench is the #1 farm tool.  To me it was 
used more than a pliers or a knife.


snappy for special stuff.  Used to buy special stuff from Mac, but 
they disappeared from this part of the country.



Was it Crapsman branded? They've got a bunch of other crappy tool 
brands now to get out of the warranty business.
Best thing I ever did 5-8 years ago was buy an SK ratchet, its an 
excellent tool. Sadly I guess they've gone in the toilet now too but 
the ratchet I got is fantastic. Way better than any of the Crapsman 
ones I've ever had.
The Crapsman wrenches now are particularly egregious. They feel 
terrible in the hand, rough and scratchy. The HF cheapies are 
polished and lovely, strong too.

-Curt
  From: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com
 To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List 
mercedes@okiebenz.com

 Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 3:04 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rebuilding Floor Jack
  




Not true for most of their tools with more than one moving part.
-Curt


the tap handle on my crapsman tap and die set broke almost
immediately.  Snears refused to replace it.  They only sneered at me.
After that, i've not bought much from snears.  HF or FLAPS gets my
biz now



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Re: [MBZ] Rebuilding Floor Jack

2015-08-28 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Harbor Freight sockets are actually very good and very cheap. The only thing I 
dislike is that they are generally laser etched for size but they're cheap 
enough so when the etching is rusted off its just time to buy new ones.
I've never broken one, or had it not fit correctly. I have I think 6 sets now...
-Curt
  From: Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com 
 Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 3:10 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rebuilding Floor Jack
   
‎Curly sez:

After that, i've not bought much from snears.  HF or FLAPS gets my
biz now


Some things are best purchased from Mac or Snap On believe it or not. Sockets 
would be a good example. Snappy's patented technology is called Flank-Drive 
I think, and it works quite well. 
‎
Rick 
Sent from my ATT Trimline Phone

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Re: [MBZ] Rebuilding Floor Jack

2015-08-28 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
My understanding is that very few items now sold under the Craftsman name
brand is now made in USA.

As the USA tool manufacturers closed up shop, or moved off shore [to China,
or Taiwan, or India] Sears has stopped the Lifetime guarantee almost
completely.

Harbor Freight, however, now has lifetime guarantee on the majority of it's
tools.. If you join their Inside Track Club...

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Was it Crapsman branded?  Yes, it was part of a crapsman tap and die set.

 SK and Truecraft are wonderful and reasonably priced.  I had a little US
 3/8 drive SK Socket set I carried in my original 190D.  It came in a little
 steel box.  Truecraft makes a Metric allen wrench set that goes up to
 17mm.  I am on my second set in 40 years.  the first set was stolen ~20
 years ago.  I have never broken one of them. Truecraft 12 adjustable
 wrench is the #1 farm tool.  To me it was used more than a pliers or a
 knife.

 snappy for special stuff.  Used to buy special stuff from Mac, but they
 disappeared from this part of the country.


 Was it Crapsman branded? They've got a bunch of other crappy tool brands
 now to get out of the warranty business.
 Best thing I ever did 5-8 years ago was buy an SK ratchet, its an
 excellent tool. Sadly I guess they've gone in the toilet now too but the
 ratchet I got is fantastic. Way better than any of the Crapsman ones I've
 ever had.
 The Crapsman wrenches now are particularly egregious. They feel terrible
 in the hand, rough and scratchy. The HF cheapies are polished and lovely,
 strong too.
 -Curt
   From: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com
  To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 3:04 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rebuilding Floor Jack


 Not true for most of their tools with more than one moving part.
 -Curt


 the tap handle on my crapsman tap and die set broke almost
 immediately.  Snears refused to replace it.  They only sneered at me.
 After that, i've not bought much from snears.  HF or FLAPS gets my
 biz now



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Re: [MBZ] Rebuilding Floor Jack

2015-08-27 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

I seem to recall someone talking about rebuilding their old floor jack.

My Craftsman 3-1/2 ton floor jack is leaking and the quick raise 
feature no longer works.  I'm sure this is far from rocket science, 
but I also don't want to be without a jack for two-three weeks, 
either.


Any suggestions, experience, web sites, parts resource?

I talked to several local hydraulic places in Tampa today, and none 
of them rebuilds jacks anymore.  They said it's just not profitable.


Dan


CHANGE THE ORINGS!

(not the fuses)

if you can take it apart you can fixit.

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Re: [MBZ] Rebuilding Floor Jack

2015-08-27 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I have no doubt.

My biggest concern is if I can get the “quick raise” feature working again.  I 
suspect there are some check balls in the thing somewhere and they’re not in 
the right place.

The O rings are the easy part.  The O ring on the main ram is leaking, so I 
know I’ll need to replace that for sure.

Dan


 On Aug 27, 2015, at 2:30 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 I seem to recall someone talking about rebuilding their old floor jack.
 
 My Craftsman 3-1/2 ton floor jack is leaking and the quick raise feature no 
 longer works.  I’m sure this is far from rocket science, but I also don’t 
 want to be without a jack for two-three weeks, either.
 
 Any suggestions, experience, web sites, parts resource?
 
 I talked to several local hydraulic places in Tampa today, and none of them 
 rebuilds jacks anymore.  They said it’s just not profitable.
 
 Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Rebuilding Floor Jack

2015-08-27 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
First question: Have you added fluid to proper amount?
If it's leaking and fluid level is low.. it won't pump as it should.

Next questions: Does the Craftsman site have an exploded parts manual for
the exact jack?

Parts manual?

Parts available?

If you have the parts diagram, you can see how it comes apart.. order parts
and have them in advance..

O rings, seals, and valves and seats.. You will have an AS NEW jack...
shouldn't take you more than a couple hours.

On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 I seem to recall someone talking about rebuilding their old floor jack.

 My Craftsman 3-1/2 ton floor jack is leaking and the quick raise feature
 no longer works.  I’m sure this is far from rocket science, but I also
 don’t want to be without a jack for two-three weeks, either.

 Any suggestions, experience, web sites, parts resource?

 I talked to several local hydraulic places in Tampa today, and none of
 them rebuilds jacks anymore.  They said it’s just not profitable.

 Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Rebuilding Floor Jack

2015-08-27 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Thanks, Grant.

Yes, it’s full of fluid.  It leaks out of the main ram area, so I know that O 
ring is shot.

Sears has a manual for it, but nothing on the inner workings of the cylinder or 
valves.

There are any number of folks selling “rebuild kits” for these jacks out there, 
but I wince at the thought of paying someone $50 for a couple of O rings.  One 
of the web sites I looked at today said that the Harbor Freight metric O ring 
kit would have everything needed to reseal the cylinder and valves.

I’m going to swing by HF tonight and drop $8.00 for the O ring set.  I’ll 
probably tear into it this weekend.

Dan


 On Aug 27, 2015, at 4:54 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 First question: Have you added fluid to proper amount?
 If it's leaking and fluid level is low.. it won't pump as it should.
 
 Next questions: Does the Craftsman site have an exploded parts manual for
 the exact jack?
 
 Parts manual?
 
 Parts available?
 
 If you have the parts diagram, you can see how it comes apart.. order parts
 and have them in advance..
 
 O rings, seals, and valves and seats.. You will have an AS NEW jack...
 shouldn't take you more than a couple hours.
 


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