Re: [MBZ] Reflections on A Service

2015-06-10 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

To the best of my knowledge, failed oiler tubes won’t cause oil pressure to 
drop in the main gallery, just at the heads and lifters. The typical symptom is 
lifter noise, as the failure of a tube or two causes oil pressure to drop in 
the oil gallery feeding the lifters.



Holy crap, 119 180 02 66 is a SINGLE plastic oiler tube for $17?
And the engine holds 16 of them, for $270?
No wonder people are paying $230 for a set of 1992 vintage 119 187 000 87

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Re: [MBZ] Reflections on A Service

2015-06-10 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I know a couple of people you can get the aluminum ones from for $200 shipped 
with new O rings. That's pretty much the market price on Benzworld these 
days. You're going to go in there, you might as well do them all

Dan

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 On Jun 10, 2015, at 1:26 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
 To the best of my knowledge, failed oiler tubes won’t cause oil pressure to 
 drop in the main gallery, just at the heads and lifters. The typical symptom 
 is lifter noise, as the failure of a tube or two causes oil pressure to drop 
 in the oil gallery feeding the lifters.
 
 
 Holy crap, 119 180 02 66 is a SINGLE plastic oiler tube for $17?
 And the engine holds 16 of them, for $270?
 No wonder people are paying $230 for a set of 1992 vintage 119 187 000 87
 
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Re: [MBZ] Reflections on A Service

2015-06-09 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
To the best of my knowledge, failed oiler tubes won’t cause oil pressure to 
drop in the main gallery, just at the heads and lifters. The typical symptom is 
lifter noise, as the failure of a tube or two causes oil pressure to drop in 
the oil gallery feeding the lifters.

More likely to be a bad oil pressure sender, which is not uncommon in the W140 
chassis.  In fact, I had to change the one on my S420, but more because it was 
leaking.  The gauge was still working properly.  Easy job, takes all of about 
10 minutes if that.

I can find you a set of aluminum oilers if you want, ultrasonically cleaned and 
with new “O” rings. $200 is the going price these days.  I happen to have a set 
sitting in the parts drawer in the garage.  I did them on the SL500, which had 
a couple of bad tubes, and when another set came up for sale I grabbed them 
thinking I might need a set for the S500 or the S420.  So far, neither has had 
the problem.

For what it’s worth, this is a good job to do, especially on higher mileage 
cars, as you can also change out the top chain guides while you’re in there.  
Parts costs besides the oiler tubes is about $150, if that.

Dan

 On Jun 8, 2015, at 10:04 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
 Yeah, what little I found around the inter web suggests that the pleated 
 paper filters aren't up for the change intervals and as a result the media 
 breaks down and fails. Also saw some comments about the fleece, particulate 
 size, and compatibility with synthetic oils. Interesting.
 
 
 My S420 is having bouncing oil pressure gauge issues.
 I hope it's just the sending unit.
 I changed the oil this weekend, and the NAPA filter I took out was no longer 
 round. Not busted, just collapsed a bit. IIRC, it had about 3k mi on i.
 
 I suppose it's time to take the valve covers off and see if any valve oilers 
 have lost their end caps. (Or is that only the aluminum ones? Mine are 
 plastic)
 
 Mitch.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Reflections on A Service

2015-06-09 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:


More likely to be a bad oil pressure sender, which is not uncommon in the W140 
chassis.  In fact, I had to change the one on my S420, but more because it was 
leaking.  The gauge was still working properly.  Easy job, takes all of about 
10 minutes if that.



I found this, but couldn't quite make out where exactly the sensor is.
I thought it was on the bottom of the filter housing, but I got the idea he was 
farther back than that.


http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w140-s-class/1903745-photo-diy-oil-pressure-system-testing.html

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Re: [MBZ] Reflections on A Service

2015-06-09 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Directly behind the alternator towards the middle of the car.  It comes off the 
bottom of the oil filter housing where it meets the engine.

If you get under the car, just find the alternator and follow the harness back 
towards the firewall. It's right there.

That guy in the W140 forum is disgusting. grin He must have more money than 
he knows what to do with, as everything he does is with the factory tools or 
Hazet stuff.  Must be nice He does do some nice write ups, however.

Dan

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 wrote:
 
 Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
 
 More likely to be a bad oil pressure sender, which is not uncommon in the 
 W140 chassis.  In fact, I had to change the one on my S420, but more because 
 it was leaking.  The gauge was still working properly.  Easy job, takes all 
 of about 10 minutes if that.
 
 
 I found this, but couldn't quite make out where exactly the sensor is.
 I thought it was on the bottom of the filter housing, but I got the idea he 
 was farther back than that.
 
 http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w140-s-class/1903745-photo-diy-oil-pressure-system-testing.html
 
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Re: [MBZ] Reflections on A Service

2015-06-09 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes


 On June 9, 2015 at 12:59 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 wrote:

 That guy in the W140 forum is disgusting. grin He must have more money than
 he knows what to do with, as everything he does is with the factory tools or
 Hazet stuff.  Must be nice He does do some nice write ups, however.

Yeah, if his high end tool collection is as complete as it seems to be, it must
have cost about 2x as much as a dealership mechanic spends in the first 20 years
of his career. 

I've seen various homemade resistor arrays set up so that by configuring a few
jumpers you can make just about any resistance you want, but get a load of his
decade box. Never saw somebody work on a car with one of those before. 
here, I dial up 40 Ohms on my decade box, plug it in to the oil pressure
circuit, and voila, the gauge reads 1 bar

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Reflections on A Service

2015-06-08 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
That's pretty much what I saw in the examples of why you shouldn't use a 
pleated filter. Lots of them that looked like they disintegrated or just blew 
apart.

Nothing but fleece for my car after seeing that

Dan

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 On Jun 8, 2015, at 2:46 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 Pleats are no bueno.
 I had a free service coupon for a reputable shop very near my home. This
 fellow has done work for me on any non-MB vehicles I've owned. So I took in
 my '08 CLK 350 for a service and I had all the correct filters in the front
 seat.
 When I walked over to pick up the car, the oil filter was still on the
 front seat. Dude told me they had one of the correct oil filters in back so
 he used it so I could save mine.
 Fast forward to the next service due and I took it over to my normal guy
 (MB Motors) and when he went to take the oil filter out it had
 discinigrated into various chunks of pleated schmutz. It was nasty. I saved
 all the chunks in a zip lock bag and took it over to the other shop. Got a
 heartfelt apology from the guy by my house and he told me he owes me.
 
 Bob R

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Re: [MBZ] Reflections on A Service

2015-06-08 Thread Bob Rentfro via Mercedes
Pleats are no bueno.
I had a free service coupon for a reputable shop very near my home. This
fellow has done work for me on any non-MB vehicles I've owned. So I took in
my '08 CLK 350 for a service and I had all the correct filters in the front
seat.
When I walked over to pick up the car, the oil filter was still on the
front seat. Dude told me they had one of the correct oil filters in back so
he used it so I could save mine.
Fast forward to the next service due and I took it over to my normal guy
(MB Motors) and when he went to take the oil filter out it had
discinigrated into various chunks of pleated schmutz. It was nasty. I saved
all the chunks in a zip lock bag and took it over to the other shop. Got a
heartfelt apology from the guy by my house and he told me he owes me.

Bob R
On Jun 8, 2015 10:14 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

 Yeah, what little I found around the inter web suggests that the pleated
 paper filters aren't up for the change intervals and as a result the media
 breaks down and fails. Also saw some comments about the fleece, particulate
 size, and compatibility with synthetic oils. Interesting.

 I'll continue to go through the menus, but I seem to recall reading
 something about certain (reset) button presses when starting the car that
 take you into a diagnostic menu that lets you see engine parameters.  I'll
 post something when I find it.

 Thanks! This was a real easy car the Martha, as it was in good shape when
 I got it.

 Dan/Martha

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  On Jun 8, 2015, at 11:46 AM, clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 wrote:
 
  I think the fleece is the real deal and the pleats are not going to do
 the job as needed.  It looks like the pressure exerted on the old filter
 was enough to crush it.
  I have not been able to find an oil pressure in the drop down menu.
 Maybe you can suck it out with a code reader?
 
  Your Marthaing is very nice.
 
  clay
 
  On Jun 7, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
 
  Did the “A” service on the S430 today.  It was due in a couple thousand
 miles, so I figured I would get ahead of the curve and do it.  Some things
 I encountered I have questions about since this is my first W220 car:
 
  The oil filter that was in the car was a pleated type made in Poland.
 No manufacturer’s name or logo on it.  Hmm.  Are the pleated filters
 acceptable as opposed to the fleece?
 
  The fleece (Mann) filter I got had all the “O” rings with it.  I had
 one left over, a big one, maybe an inch in diameter.  There was another one
 this size on the oil filter “tube” where the “tube” was larger in
 diameter.  I couldn’t find any others of the same size.  There were two
 smaller ones near the bottom of the “tube”.  Did I miss something?
 
  I don’t like the lack of an oil pressure gauge.  I think there s a way
 to get the display to show oil pressure that I saw while researching the
 car.  I’ll have to find it.
 
  Still working on Marthaing  the engine compartment.  The engine is
 almost done, then I have to move out to the tops of the fenders.  Looking
 better every day.
 
  Cabin filters were a piece of cake to replace.  The ones that were in
 the car were pretty nasty.
 
  Pictures of everything here if you want to look at them:
 
 
 https://www.dropbox.com/sh/l4ros9hn1jjkxpy/AAA1EefYAD6Vk8driRyd1mSva?dl=0
 
  Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Reflections on A Service

2015-06-08 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes

I fixed it.

--R

On 6/8/15 3:14 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Got a
heartfelt apology from the guy by my house and he told me he owes me a new 
engine.

Bob R



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Re: [MBZ] Reflections on A Service

2015-06-08 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Yeah, what little I found around the inter web suggests that the pleated paper 
filters aren't up for the change intervals and as a result the media breaks 
down and fails. Also saw some comments about the fleece, particulate size, and 
compatibility with synthetic oils. Interesting.

I'll continue to go through the menus, but I seem to recall reading something 
about certain (reset) button presses when starting the car that take you into a 
diagnostic menu that lets you see engine parameters.  I'll post something when 
I find it.

Thanks! This was a real easy car the Martha, as it was in good shape when I got 
it.

Dan/Martha

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 On Jun 8, 2015, at 11:46 AM, clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 I think the fleece is the real deal and the pleats are not going to do the 
 job as needed.  It looks like the pressure exerted on the old filter was 
 enough to crush it.
 I have not been able to find an oil pressure in the drop down menu.  Maybe 
 you can suck it out with a code reader?
 
 Your Marthaing is very nice.
 
 clay
 
 On Jun 7, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
 
 Did the “A” service on the S430 today.  It was due in a couple thousand 
 miles, so I figured I would get ahead of the curve and do it.  Some things I 
 encountered I have questions about since this is my first W220 car:
 
 The oil filter that was in the car was a pleated type made in Poland.  No 
 manufacturer’s name or logo on it.  Hmm.  Are the pleated filters acceptable 
 as opposed to the fleece?
 
 The fleece (Mann) filter I got had all the “O” rings with it.  I had one 
 left over, a big one, maybe an inch in diameter.  There was another one this 
 size on the oil filter “tube” where the “tube” was larger in diameter.  I 
 couldn’t find any others of the same size.  There were two smaller ones near 
 the bottom of the “tube”.  Did I miss something?
 
 I don’t like the lack of an oil pressure gauge.  I think there s a way to 
 get the display to show oil pressure that I saw while researching the car.  
 I’ll have to find it.
 
 Still working on Marthaing  the engine compartment.  The engine is almost 
 done, then I have to move out to the tops of the fenders.  Looking better 
 every day.
 
 Cabin filters were a piece of cake to replace.  The ones that were in the 
 car were pretty nasty.
 
 Pictures of everything here if you want to look at them:
 
 https://www.dropbox.com/sh/l4ros9hn1jjkxpy/AAA1EefYAD6Vk8driRyd1mSva?dl=0
 
 Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Reflections on A Service

2015-06-08 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Yeah, what little I found around the inter web suggests that the pleated paper 
filters aren't up for the change intervals and as a result the media breaks 
down and fails. Also saw some comments about the fleece, particulate size, and 
compatibility with synthetic oils. Interesting.



My S420 is having bouncing oil pressure gauge issues.
I hope it's just the sending unit.
I changed the oil this weekend, and the NAPA filter I took out was no longer 
round. Not busted, just collapsed a bit. IIRC, it had about 3k mi on i.


I suppose it's time to take the valve covers off and see if any valve oilers 
have lost their end caps. (Or is that only the aluminum ones? Mine are plastic)


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Reflections on A Service

2015-06-08 Thread clay via Mercedes
I think the fleece is the real deal and the pleats are not going to do the job 
as needed.  It looks like the pressure exerted on the old filter was enough to 
crush it.
I have not been able to find an oil pressure in the drop down menu.  Maybe you 
can suck it out with a code reader?

Your Marthaing is very nice.

clay

On Jun 7, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

 Did the “A” service on the S430 today.  It was due in a couple thousand 
 miles, so I figured I would get ahead of the curve and do it.  Some things I 
 encountered I have questions about since this is my first W220 car:
 
 The oil filter that was in the car was a pleated type made in Poland.  No 
 manufacturer’s name or logo on it.  Hmm.  Are the pleated filters acceptable 
 as opposed to the fleece?
 
 The fleece (Mann) filter I got had all the “O” rings with it.  I had one left 
 over, a big one, maybe an inch in diameter.  There was another one this size 
 on the oil filter “tube” where the “tube” was larger in diameter.  I couldn’t 
 find any others of the same size.  There were two smaller ones near the 
 bottom of the “tube”.  Did I miss something?
 
 I don’t like the lack of an oil pressure gauge.  I think there s a way to get 
 the display to show oil pressure that I saw while researching the car.  I’ll 
 have to find it.
 
 Still working on Marthaing  the engine compartment.  The engine is almost 
 done, then I have to move out to the tops of the fenders.  Looking better 
 every day.
 
 Cabin filters were a piece of cake to replace.  The ones that were in the car 
 were pretty nasty.
 
 Pictures of everything here if you want to look at them:
 
 https://www.dropbox.com/sh/l4ros9hn1jjkxpy/AAA1EefYAD6Vk8driRyd1mSva?dl=0
 
 Dan
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