Re: [MBZ] Retread - was: Pulling to one side
I sure wish someone would change the subject line. Every time I see it, I see retard rather than retred -- occupational hazard for me. Don
Re: [MBZ] Retread - was: Pulling to one side
Based in Lil ol Muscatine, Awa (jus nawth o Mizery) BTW, the founder, Roy Carver, was reputed to have ordered a 280 SE or SEL from the factory with a manual trans. I always wondered what happened to that car. (about 68-69) At 12:15 PM 11/7/2005, you wrote: A friend of mine did an internship at Bandag Retreads. He said they're a huge operation -- more market penetration than most of the new tire manufacturers. Apparently they rented the entire Universal Studios theme park for their company picnic, one year. This is big business.
Re: [MBZ] Retread - was: Pulling to one side
rumor has it that Peter wrote: Well, you won't find any steel in it if the tire doesn't have steel belts, and I'm not sure that truck tires do. They do. Even tire that have nylon belts usually also have some steel belts. Philip
Re: [MBZ] Retread - was: Pulling to one side
rumor has it that [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tread may be good, but you can bet down the road you'll be seeing your tire sheading rubber like a bad retread on a semi. Okay. I should probably just let this go by, but... Very rarely is that big chunk of tire you see on the road (drivers often call them alligator) from a retread. If a retread fails and the tread comes off, there would be no steel cords in loose pieces 'cause the cords are all in the casing. Often a retread is _more_ reliable than a new tire because the casing has already proven to be good. Anyway, I have pulled a whole lot of dead tire pieces off of the highway (my contribution to highway safety) and seen many, many more. Of them, I have not ever seen a large tire piece that I could be sure did not have any steel wire in it. Of course, this doesn't mean it will never happen, just that it's easy to think that It must have come off a bad retread. when there's a big hunk of tread in the middle of the road. :) And for what it's worth - the most common cause of a tire casing coming apart and tossing chucks at the passing cars is under-inflation.
Re: [MBZ] Retread - was: Pulling to one side
I'd agree with Fmiser. I spend over 50,000 miles a year on the road and I've seen more than a few tire separations in action. Every one I saw was a blowout, where there was a big 'bang' and lots of stuff in the air, including the tread. I've seen a truck tire tread fly up and clear three cars. Those tires that I could see were a mangled mess. If they were just tread separation then the tire carcass would still be inflated. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fmiser Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 2:53 AM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] Retread - was: Pulling to one side rumor has it that [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tread may be good, but you can bet down the road you'll be seeing your tire sheading rubber like a bad retread on a semi. Okay. I should probably just let this go by, but... Very rarely is that big chunk of tire you see on the road (drivers often call them alligator) from a retread. If a retread fails and the tread comes off, there would be no steel cords in loose pieces 'cause the cords are all in the casing. Often a retread is _more_ reliable than a new tire because the casing has already proven to be good. Anyway, I have pulled a whole lot of dead tire pieces off of the highway (my contribution to highway safety) and seen many, many more. Of them, I have not ever seen a large tire piece that I could be sure did not have any steel wire in it. Of course, this doesn't mean it will never happen, just that it's easy to think that It must have come off a bad retread. when there's a big hunk of tread in the middle of the road. :) And for what it's worth - the most common cause of a tire casing coming apart and tossing chucks at the passing cars is under-inflation. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Retread - was: Pulling to one side
You are just guessing..I know several people that work in a local retread shop and was a truck driver for a few years. The pieces on the road ARE usually caps. Some(actually most) do have cords in them. Along with underinflation, overloading is a big issue with comercial recaps. Passenger car and light truck recaps are much better today than they were in the 80's when they got the worst of thier reputation for coming apart but do come apart if abused. As far as the casing proving itself that's kida irrelevant...How many properly inflated tires have you ever actually seen come apart? I have owned thousands of tires, several with broken belts/cords and have had maybe 1/2 a dozen actually come apart. Retreads included. From watching the process of recapping heavy truck tires there are several steps in the process and alot of tires that come in do not pass each step of the process due to defects(holes, broken cords, etc.) but some bad ones do get by as USUALLY the inspection of the casing is only visual and as long as the tire looks good when it comes out the next test is the road. So basically if it has large ragged edges then it is likely a piece of a new tire.If it is a piece of tread that looks like it may have had glue on the inside it's a bad cap. Just ask a truck driver the next time you come near a truck stop about cap separation and the fines the DOT imposes if you are caught driving with a bad cap these days. Sorry for the long post, Mike - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes mailing list' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 7:19 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Retread - was: Pulling to one side I'd agree with Fmiser. I spend over 50,000 miles a year on the road and I've seen more than a few tire separations in action. Every one I saw was a blowout, where there was a big 'bang' and lots of stuff in the air, including the tread. I've seen a truck tire tread fly up and clear three cars. Those tires that I could see were a mangled mess. If they were just tread separation then the tire carcass would still be inflated. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fmiser Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 2:53 AM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] Retread - was: Pulling to one side rumor has it that [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tread may be good, but you can bet down the road you'll be seeing your tire sheading rubber like a bad retread on a semi. Okay. I should probably just let this go by, but... Very rarely is that big chunk of tire you see on the road (drivers often call them alligator) from a retread. If a retread fails and the tread comes off, there would be no steel cords in loose pieces 'cause the cords are all in the casing. Often a retread is _more_ reliable than a new tire because the casing has already proven to be good. Anyway, I have pulled a whole lot of dead tire pieces off of the highway (my contribution to highway safety) and seen many, many more. Of them, I have not ever seen a large tire piece that I could be sure did not have any steel wire in it. Of course, this doesn't mean it will never happen, just that it's easy to think that It must have come off a bad retread. when there's a big hunk of tread in the middle of the road. :) And for what it's worth - the most common cause of a tire casing coming apart and tossing chucks at the passing cars is under-inflation. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Retread - was: Pulling to one side
Mike, We all learn from each other's experiences and long posts are usually the best ones. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Canfield Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 7:33 AM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] Retread - was: Pulling to one side You are just guessing..I know several people that work in a local retread shop and was a truck driver for a few years. The pieces on the road ARE usually caps. Some(actually most) do have cords in them. Along with underinflation, overloading is a big issue with comercial recaps. Passenger car and light truck recaps are much better today than they were in the 80's when they got the worst of thier reputation for coming apart but do come apart if abused. As far as the casing proving itself that's kida irrelevant...How many properly inflated tires have you ever actually seen come apart? I have owned thousands of tires, several with broken belts/cords and have had maybe 1/2 a dozen actually come apart. Retreads included. From watching the process of recapping heavy truck tires there are several steps in the process and alot of tires that come in do not pass each step of the process due to defects(holes, broken cords, etc.) but some bad ones do get by as USUALLY the inspection of the casing is only visual and as long as the tire looks good when it comes out the next test is the road. So basically if it has large ragged edges then it is likely a piece of a new tire.If it is a piece of tread that looks like it may have had glue on the inside it's a bad cap. Just ask a truck driver the next time you come near a truck stop about cap separation and the fines the DOT imposes if you are caught driving with a bad cap these days. Sorry for the long post, Mike - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes mailing list' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 7:19 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Retread - was: Pulling to one side I'd agree with Fmiser. I spend over 50,000 miles a year on the road and I've seen more than a few tire separations in action. Every one I saw was a blowout, where there was a big 'bang' and lots of stuff in the air, including the tread. I've seen a truck tire tread fly up and clear three cars. Those tires that I could see were a mangled mess. If they were just tread separation then the tire carcass would still be inflated. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fmiser Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 2:53 AM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] Retread - was: Pulling to one side rumor has it that [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tread may be good, but you can bet down the road you'll be seeing your tire sheading rubber like a bad retread on a semi. Okay. I should probably just let this go by, but... Very rarely is that big chunk of tire you see on the road (drivers often call them alligator) from a retread. If a retread fails and the tread comes off, there would be no steel cords in loose pieces 'cause the cords are all in the casing. Often a retread is _more_ reliable than a new tire because the casing has already proven to be good. Anyway, I have pulled a whole lot of dead tire pieces off of the highway (my contribution to highway safety) and seen many, many more. Of them, I have not ever seen a large tire piece that I could be sure did not have any steel wire in it. Of course, this doesn't mean it will never happen, just that it's easy to think that It must have come off a bad retread. when there's a big hunk of tread in the middle of the road. :) And for what it's worth - the most common cause of a tire casing coming apart and tossing chucks at the passing cars is under-inflation. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Retread - was: Pulling to one side
not implying it could happen, but in the case of a tire loosing its tread I was told by a trucker friend that its because the tire overheats due to excessive weight. 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 02:52:57 -0600 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Retread - was: Pulling to one side rumor has it that [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tread may be good, but you can bet down the road you'll be seeing your tire sheading rubber like a bad retread on a semi. Okay. I should probably just let this go by, but... Very rarely is that big chunk of tire you see on the road (drivers often call them alligator) from a retread. If a retread fails and the tread comes off, there would be no steel cords in loose pieces 'cause the cords are all in the casing. Often a retread is _more_ reliable than a new tire because the casing has already proven to be good. Anyway, I have pulled a whole lot of dead tire pieces off of the highway (my contribution to highway safety) and seen many, many more. Of them, I have not ever seen a large tire piece that I could be sure did not have any steel wire in it. Of course, this doesn't mean it will never happen, just that it's easy to think that It must have come off a bad retread. when there's a big hunk of tread in the middle of the road. :) And for what it's worth - the most common cause of a tire casing coming apart and tossing chucks at the passing cars is under-inflation. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com
Re: [MBZ] Retread - was: Pulling to one side
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: not implying it could happen, but in the case of a tire loosing its tread I was told by a trucker friend that its because the tire overheats due to excessive weight. ...or insufficient air. Either way, the tire will flex too much and build up heat. A friend of mine did an internship at Bandag Retreads. He said they're a huge operation -- more market penetration than most of the new tire manufacturers. Apparently they rented the entire Universal Studios theme park for their company picnic, one year. This is big business.
Re: [MBZ] Retread - was: Pulling to one side
True. That and under-inflation are the largest factors in tire failures. Mike - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Retread - was: Pulling to one side not implying it could happen, but in the case of a tire loosing its tread I was told by a trucker friend that its because the tire overheats due to excessive weight. 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 02:52:57 -0600 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Retread - was: Pulling to one side rumor has it that [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tread may be good, but you can bet down the road you'll be seeing your tire sheading rubber like a bad retread on a semi. Okay. I should probably just let this go by, but... Very rarely is that big chunk of tire you see on the road (drivers often call them alligator) from a retread. If a retread fails and the tread comes off, there would be no steel cords in loose pieces 'cause the cords are all in the casing. Often a retread is _more_ reliable than a new tire because the casing has already proven to be good. Anyway, I have pulled a whole lot of dead tire pieces off of the highway (my contribution to highway safety) and seen many, many more. Of them, I have not ever seen a large tire piece that I could be sure did not have any steel wire in it. Of course, this doesn't mean it will never happen, just that it's easy to think that It must have come off a bad retread. when there's a big hunk of tread in the middle of the road. :) And for what it's worth - the most common cause of a tire casing coming apart and tossing chucks at the passing cars is under-inflation. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Retread - was: Pulling to one side
Well, you won't find any steel in it if the tire doesn't have steel belts, and I'm not sure that truck tires do. Peter
Re: [MBZ] Retread - was: Pulling to one side
Most actually use Nylon. Mike - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Retread - was: Pulling to one side Well, you won't find any steel in it if the tire doesn't have steel belts, and I'm not sure that truck tires do. Peter ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
