Re: [MBZ] S600 wiring

2006-01-31 Thread James Zavesky
11-13 in town
17-19 highway
creature comfort while driving is an understatement
VERY nice car and I would buy one again ONLY because I now know what to do
to keep it running.

Jim



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Subject: Re: [MBZ] S600 wiring


 Yeah - that is the one that got my interest.  It will be a few months at
 least before I decide what I will get- something like that or an SDL or
just
 do a more through update on my SD.  Mostly at this point I am into
creature
 comfort.  I don't really drive enough to worry about it too much, but what
 kind of mileage does that beast get?  I drive mostly around town, with
 occasional road trips of a few hundred miles to keep things in shape.
 BillR

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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 10:15 AM
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 Subject: Re: [MBZ] S600 wiring

 the wiring degrades! Plan on replacing ALL the harness'. The ETA's harness
 is also know to degrade, fortunately my ETA's were fine. Replacing the
 evaporator and rear accumulators are the least of your worries.

 Are you watching the 1992 white one with the fogs in the bumper? That one
 has late model wood in it, looks like it's been gone through.

 Jim



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 From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 9:49 AM
 Subject: [MBZ] S600 wiring


  Amazing car to drive. Love ours. Lots of power. Wiring sucks.
 
  James Zavesky
 
  James - I have been toying with the idea of getting an S600 - one on
ebay
  now looks pretty good, but I am not ready to make the jump.   What is
the
  problem with the wiring?  I thought pre '94's should be ok.
 
  For all those who offered help with the erratic blinker:  It is still an
  occasional problem, but playing with it [flashers, blinkers, stalk]
 usually
  stops it.  Never had the panel off where the flasher switch is located,
 and
  I don't think I am getting contact cleaner where it needs to go.  Is
there
 a
  simple way to get access to that switch?
  BillR
  Jacksonville FL
  1981 300SD  EM   270k miles
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Re: [MBZ] S600 wiring

2006-01-31 Thread James Zavesky
injection harness are the most replaced item and then the engine harness.
you'll go through alot more injection harness's because it sits on top the
motor where the heat is. alot of this has to do with the averall amount of
heat in the engine compartment. I added one of the 92 degree fan switch
modifications from the guy on prodigy so the electric fans come on at 92
instead of 100.

jim

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From: John M McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] S600 wiring


 Further to this I'll note not only will you need to replace the
 engine wiring, it is also likely you'll replace the throttle
 actuators (two) which have prices as much as $3000+ each, depending
 of course who can acquire the parts for you. In reading on another
 list it has been notice that replacement actuators after oh about 96
 have different coloured wiring, leading one to
 believe perhaps the wiring or part supplier changed things to the
 better. If said vehicle has any cracked wiring instantly subtract $8K?

 Lastly I'll note that some folks have discovered that right behind
 the engine is a plastic water distribution device (dual mono-
 valves?). That has a tendency now to crack (age/heat) and dump all
 the coolant. It is a bit ugly to access for replacement, kind of
 stick on engine, put engine in car, what you to remove it later? Why
 is that firewall in the way.

 In general you want to pay a bit extra for a 98 or 99, and ask about
 the evap and wiring.


 On 30-Jan-06, at 10:06 AM, BillR wrote:

  Marshall and John - Thanks for the help.  I'll continue with the
  numerous
  repitions, and try to get at that switch, and only consider VERY
  well priced
  140's or those with reworked wiring.
  BillR
  -Original Message-

 John
 1983 300TDt  361k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
 1990 300TDt  159k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
 1993 500SEL 170k Kilometers (mobil 1 0w40)



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Re: [MBZ] S600 wiring

2006-01-30 Thread James Zavesky
the wiring degrades! Plan on replacing ALL the harness'. The ETA's harness
is also know to degrade, fortunately my ETA's were fine. Replacing the
evaporator and rear accumulators are the least of your worries.

Are you watching the 1992 white one with the fogs in the bumper? That one
has late model wood in it, looks like it's been gone through.

Jim



- Original Message - 
From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 9:49 AM
Subject: [MBZ] S600 wiring


 Amazing car to drive. Love ours. Lots of power. Wiring sucks.

 James Zavesky

 James - I have been toying with the idea of getting an S600 - one on ebay
 now looks pretty good, but I am not ready to make the jump.   What is the
 problem with the wiring?  I thought pre '94's should be ok.

 For all those who offered help with the erratic blinker:  It is still an
 occasional problem, but playing with it [flashers, blinkers, stalk]
usually
 stops it.  Never had the panel off where the flasher switch is located,
and
 I don't think I am getting contact cleaner where it needs to go.  Is there
a
 simple way to get access to that switch?
 BillR
 Jacksonville FL
 1981 300SD  EM   270k miles
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Re: [MBZ] S600 wiring

2006-01-30 Thread John Berryman


On Monday, January 30, 2006, at 09:49 AM, BillR wrote:

For all those who offered help with the erratic blinker:  It is still 
an
occasional problem, but playing with it [flashers, blinkers, stalk] 
usually
stops it.  Never had the panel off where the flasher switch is 
located, and
I don't think I am getting contact cleaner where it needs to go.  Is 
there a

simple way to get access to that switch?
BillR
Jacksonville FL
1981 300SD  EM   270k miles



	Yes, remove it and disassemble, clean, lube and put it back together. 
Most switches simply pull out of the dash/console.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am


Re: [MBZ] S600 wiring

2006-01-30 Thread Marshall Booth

BillR wrote:

Amazing car to drive. Love ours. Lots of power. Wiring sucks.

James Zavesky

James - I have been toying with the idea of getting an S600 - one on ebay
now looks pretty good, but I am not ready to make the jump.   What is the
problem with the wiring?  I thought pre '94's should be ok.
 
For all those who offered help with the erratic blinker:  It is still an

occasional problem, but playing with it [flashers, blinkers, stalk] usually
stops it.  Never had the panel off where the flasher switch is located, and
I don't think I am getting contact cleaner where it needs to go.  Is there a
simple way to get access to that switch?


Some cars (W140s for sure) got the biodegradable wiring (and all of the 
wiring problem associated with that) in 1992 while others (like the 124 
diesel) didn't have until 1995. Just depends on on the particular 
chassis AND engine.


Usually switching the Hazard switch on and off about 100 times will 
clean it or break so it requires replacement to restore reliable 
function. Have you tried cleaning (or buckling/unbucking about 50 times) 
the seat belt buckle switch? When it gets dirty in early '80s cars - the 
buzzer may sound.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] S600 wiring

2006-01-30 Thread BillR
Marshall and John - Thanks for the help.  I'll continue with the numerous
repitions, and try to get at that switch, and only consider VERY well priced
140's or those with reworked wiring. 
BillR
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Marshall Booth
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 11:16 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] S600 wiring

BillR wrote:
 Amazing car to drive. Love ours. Lots of power. Wiring sucks.
 
 James Zavesky
 
 James - I have been toying with the idea of getting an S600 - one on ebay
 now looks pretty good, but I am not ready to make the jump.   What is the
 problem with the wiring?  I thought pre '94's should be ok.
  
 For all those who offered help with the erratic blinker:  It is still 
 an occasional problem, but playing with it [flashers, blinkers, stalk] 
 usually stops it.  Never had the panel off where the flasher switch is 
 located, and I don't think I am getting contact cleaner where it needs 
 to go.  Is there a simple way to get access to that switch?

Some cars (W140s for sure) got the biodegradable wiring (and all of the
wiring problem associated with that) in 1992 while others (like the 124
diesel) didn't have until 1995. Just depends on on the particular chassis
AND engine.

Usually switching the Hazard switch on and off about 100 times will clean it
or break so it requires replacement to restore reliable function. Have you
tried cleaning (or buckling/unbucking about 50 times) the seat belt buckle
switch? When it gets dirty in early '80s cars - the buzzer may sound.

Marshall
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'87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5
turbo 237kmi

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Re: [MBZ] S600 wiring

2006-01-30 Thread BillR
Yeah - that is the one that got my interest.  It will be a few months at
least before I decide what I will get- something like that or an SDL or just
do a more through update on my SD.  Mostly at this point I am into creature
comfort.  I don't really drive enough to worry about it too much, but what
kind of mileage does that beast get?  I drive mostly around town, with
occasional road trips of a few hundred miles to keep things in shape.  
BillR 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of James Zavesky
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 10:15 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] S600 wiring

the wiring degrades! Plan on replacing ALL the harness'. The ETA's harness
is also know to degrade, fortunately my ETA's were fine. Replacing the
evaporator and rear accumulators are the least of your worries.

Are you watching the 1992 white one with the fogs in the bumper? That one
has late model wood in it, looks like it's been gone through.

Jim



- Original Message -
From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 9:49 AM
Subject: [MBZ] S600 wiring


 Amazing car to drive. Love ours. Lots of power. Wiring sucks.

 James Zavesky

 James - I have been toying with the idea of getting an S600 - one on ebay
 now looks pretty good, but I am not ready to make the jump.   What is the
 problem with the wiring?  I thought pre '94's should be ok.

 For all those who offered help with the erratic blinker:  It is still an
 occasional problem, but playing with it [flashers, blinkers, stalk]
usually
 stops it.  Never had the panel off where the flasher switch is located,
and
 I don't think I am getting contact cleaner where it needs to go.  Is there
a
 simple way to get access to that switch?
 BillR
 Jacksonville FL
 1981 300SD  EM   270k miles
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Re: [MBZ] S600 wiring

2006-01-30 Thread John M McIntosh
Further to this I'll note not only will you need to replace the  
engine wiring, it is also likely you'll replace the throttle  
actuators (two) which have prices as much as $3000+ each, depending  
of course who can acquire the parts for you. In reading on another  
list it has been notice that replacement actuators after oh about 96  
have different coloured wiring, leading one to
believe perhaps the wiring or part supplier changed things to the  
better. If said vehicle has any cracked wiring instantly subtract $8K?


Lastly I'll note that some folks have discovered that right behind  
the engine is a plastic water distribution device (dual mono- 
valves?). That has a tendency now to crack (age/heat) and dump all  
the coolant. It is a bit ugly to access for replacement, kind of  
stick on engine, put engine in car, what you to remove it later? Why  
is that firewall in the way.


In general you want to pay a bit extra for a 98 or 99, and ask about  
the evap and wiring.



On 30-Jan-06, at 10:06 AM, BillR wrote:

Marshall and John - Thanks for the help.  I'll continue with the  
numerous
repitions, and try to get at that switch, and only consider VERY  
well priced

140's or those with reworked wiring.
BillR
-Original Message-


John
1983 300TDt  361k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1990 300TDt  159k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1993 500SEL 170k Kilometers (mobil 1 0w40)





Re: [MBZ] S600 wiring

2006-01-30 Thread Desert Rat
Speaking of evaporator failures, wonder if anyone knows when MB
recognized the error of their ways and reinforced this weak link? Was
it 96 or so?

Which also leads to the thought that perhaps the early 92 and up
replacements were not reinforced?

Thanks

On 1/30/06, John M McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Further to this I'll note not only will you need to replace the
 engine wiring, it is also likely you'll replace the throttle
 actuators (two) which have prices as much as $3000+ each, depending
 of course who can acquire the parts for you. In reading on another
 list it has been notice that replacement actuators after oh about 96
 have different coloured wiring, leading one to
 believe perhaps the wiring or part supplier changed things to the
 better. If said vehicle has any cracked wiring instantly subtract $8K?

 Lastly I'll note that some folks have discovered that right behind
 the engine is a plastic water distribution device (dual mono-
 valves?). That has a tendency now to crack (age/heat) and dump all
 the coolant. It is a bit ugly to access for replacement, kind of
 stick on engine, put engine in car, what you to remove it later? Why
 is that firewall in the way.

 In general you want to pay a bit extra for a 98 or 99, and ask about
 the evap and wiring.


 On 30-Jan-06, at 10:06 AM, BillR wrote:

  Marshall and John - Thanks for the help.  I'll continue with the
  numerous
  repitions, and try to get at that switch, and only consider VERY
  well priced
  140's or those with reworked wiring.
  BillR
  -Original Message-

 John
 1983 300TDt  361k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
 1990 300TDt  159k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
 1993 500SEL 170k Kilometers (mobil 1 0w40)



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Re: [MBZ] S600 wiring

2006-01-30 Thread John M McIntosh
My understanding was that it was never fixed. The alternate fix was  
to install an evap
from a e-class and a baffle to fill in the gap because the e class  
evap isn't as wide.
However the internet is full of stories about evaps being replaced 3  
or 4 times in the 90s,

so I'm not sure when the alternate fix was put into place.

On 30-Jan-06, at 2:20 PM, Desert Rat wrote:


Speaking of evaporator failures, wonder if anyone knows when MB
recognized the error of their ways and reinforced this weak link? Was
it 96 or so?

Which also leads to the thought that perhaps the early 92 and up
replacements were not reinforced?

Thanks





Re: [MBZ] S600 wiring

2006-01-30 Thread BillR
Sounds like it would be much simpler and cheaper to just keep the dream and
not mess it up with reality.  Perhaps I'll find a nice 300SDL or just put
some more $ into EM.
BillR  

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Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 5:36 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] S600 wiring

My understanding was that it was never fixed. The alternate fix was to
install an evap from a e-class and a baffle to fill in the gap because the e
class evap isn't as wide.
However the internet is full of stories about evaps being replaced 3 or 4
times in the 90s, so I'm not sure when the alternate fix was put into place.

On 30-Jan-06, at 2:20 PM, Desert Rat wrote:

 Speaking of evaporator failures, wonder if anyone knows when MB 
 recognized the error of their ways and reinforced this weak link? Was 
 it 96 or so?

 Which also leads to the thought that perhaps the early 92 and up 
 replacements were not reinforced?

 Thanks


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