Re: [MBZ] SD vs. SDL
in the 126 yes Zoltan Finks wrote: Concise info. - love it. My question on the SDL is answered more with each response. So, as to the the rod benders: I've heard mention of them and know that they are some of the SD's. Am I to understand that the only rod benders are the '90 and '91 350SD and 350SDL? John wrote: There was a W126 350SD and 350SDL in 90 and 91 as well. (rod benders) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] SD vs. SDL
So, as to the the rod benders: I've heard mention of them and know that they are some of the SD's. Am I to understand that the only rod benders are the '90 and '91 350SD and 350SDL? Any 350, in any form. The 3.5l bored 603. I think there were some 90's cars labeled "300" that had the 3.5l also. Beware! The factory redesigned ones, never used in production (USA anyway), are as good as anything else they've ever made. But you only see them as the repair crate engines. Either warrantee or not. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] SD vs. SDL
Zoltan Finks wrote: Concise info. - love it. My question on the SDL is answered more with each response. So, as to the the rod benders: I've heard mention of them and know that they are some of the SD's. Am I to understand that the only rod benders are the '90 and '91 350SD and 350SDL? All diesel W140s brought to the US between '92-'95 were "rod benders" too. So that means that ALL "S" class diesels brought to the US in the '90s had flawed engines! Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [MBZ] SD vs. SDL
the S350 in any length was also a rod bender. the 3.5L turbodiesel was (IIRC) a bored-out version of the bulletproof 3.0L turbodiesel that had defective connecting rods that bent with use (no predictability as to when they bend), ovaling out the cylinders and burning oil at the rate of 1-2 quarts every 100 miles. Awful. On 11/27/06, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Concise info. - love it. My question on the SDL is answered more with each response. So, as to the the rod benders: I've heard mention of them and know that they are some of the SD's. Am I to understand that the only rod benders are the '90 and '91 350SD and 350SDL? John wrote: There was a W126 350SD and 350SDL in 90 and 91 as well. (rod benders) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 290Kmi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474
Re: [MBZ] SD vs. SDL
Concise info. - love it. My question on the SDL is answered more with each response. So, as to the the rod benders: I've heard mention of them and know that they are some of the SD's. Am I to understand that the only rod benders are the '90 and '91 350SD and 350SDL? John wrote: There was a W126 350SD and 350SDL in 90 and 91 as well. (rod benders)
Re: [MBZ] SD vs. SDL
oh yea, there is also the 78-80 w116 300SD Peter Frederick wrote: I'ts a bit more complicated. Benz only imported the SD model into the US from 1981 to 1985. 5 cylinder M617 engine. In 1986, they put the 603 six cylinder diesel in it, and only sold it as the SDL with the longer wheelbase (logic for this unknown). Stopped after the 1987 model year. The 86 and later cars have different headlights and some other changes. Easy discrimination: W126 SD will have a 617 5-cylinder 3.0L engine with rectangular flat headlights, SDL will be the 603 and have the "semi-euro" DOT slope fronted headlights with plastic surround. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] SD vs. SDL
81-85 300SD will be the swb with the 5 cyl 3.0 617, 86-87 300SDL has the 603 6 cyl 3.0, 90-91 has the 350SD and 350SDL with the 603 6 cyl 3.5. Peter Frederick wrote: I'ts a bit more complicated. Benz only imported the SD model into the US from 1981 to 1985. 5 cylinder M617 engine. In 1986, they put the 603 six cylinder diesel in it, and only sold it as the SDL with the longer wheelbase (logic for this unknown). Stopped after the 1987 model year. The 86 and later cars have different headlights and some other changes. Easy discrimination: W126 SD will have a 617 5-cylinder 3.0L engine with rectangular flat headlights, SDL will be the 603 and have the "semi-euro" DOT slope fronted headlights with plastic surround. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] SD vs. SDL
There was a W126 350SD and 350SDL in 90 and 91 as well. (rod benders) On 11/26/06, Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'ts a bit more complicated. Benz only imported the SD model into the US from 1981 to 1985. 5 cylinder M617 engine. In 1986, they put the 603 six cylinder diesel in it, and only sold it as the SDL with the longer wheelbase (logic for this unknown). Stopped after the 1987 model year. The 86 and later cars have different headlights and some other changes. Easy discrimination: W126 SD will have a 617 5-cylinder 3.0L engine with rectangular flat headlights, SDL will be the 603 and have the "semi-euro" DOT slope fronted headlights with plastic surround. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SD vs. SDL
I'ts a bit more complicated. Benz only imported the SD model into the US from 1981 to 1985. 5 cylinder M617 engine. In 1986, they put the 603 six cylinder diesel in it, and only sold it as the SDL with the longer wheelbase (logic for this unknown). Stopped after the 1987 model year. The 86 and later cars have different headlights and some other changes. Easy discrimination: W126 SD will have a 617 5-cylinder 3.0L engine with rectangular flat headlights, SDL will be the 603 and have the "semi-euro" DOT slope fronted headlights with plastic surround. Peter
Re: [MBZ] SD vs. SDL
FYI, D-C has been making the S class cars in both regular (note: NOT
"short") and long wheelbase versions for some time. MBUSA, in its infinite
wisdom, selects what versions they import to the USA, which in some years is
only the "L".
The latest S-class cars are available to others in the world in both
wheelbase versions. And in Stuttgart, we were recently "educated" that they
don't call the regular length cars "short"; they are the "regular" length.
The difference is about 4" (10 cm).
Werner
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From: "Marshall Booth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] SD vs. SDL
Zoltan Finks wrote:
The designation SDL sounds familiar, as does SEL. But I couldn't tell you
what sets them apart from the SD and the SL.
More specifically, I'll mention that my wondering whether there was such
thing as an SDL was ended tonight in a mall parking lot when I saw an
one.
Looked to be mid to late 80s. Of course long wheel base and top of the
line-looking, including headlight wipers.
So is the SDL simply a top of the line SD?
An "S" class car that's a diesel will be an "SD" and if the body is
longer than the standard sedan an L is added to the designation ("SDL").
Thru 1985 all "S" class diesels were SDs. In '86-87 all the "S" class
diesels were SDLs. In '90-'91 most were SDLs but a few SD were
manufactured. I believe that all the W140 diesels were in the shorter
chassis.
Marshall
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Marshall Booth Ph.D.
Ass't Prof. (ret.)
Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
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Re: [MBZ] SD vs. SDL
The designation SDL sounds familiar, as does SEL. But I couldn't tell you what sets them apart from the SD and the SL. The S is german for luxury, C is coupe, E is fuel injection, D is diesel, and L is long. Unless you jam SL together, in which case it's Sport Light (and in the opinion of many, a complete misnomer. Perhaps Luxury Little?) Until they switched in the 90's and E meant middle, and C meant cheap. S kept its meaning, as did SL. So is the SDL simply a top of the line SD? SD's are also top of the line. SDL's are just stretched. It's a peculiarity (perhaps only in the US) that you could mostly buy only one length of car in a particular year. That's why the SDL's might be seen as a TOL SD, but that's only because the common SD's are older than the SDL's. When an SDL was available, you couldn't buy an SD, and vice-versa. Unless I've got all that wrong too! -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] SD vs. SDL
Zoltan Finks wrote:
The designation SDL sounds familiar, as does SEL. But I couldn't tell you
what sets them apart from the SD and the SL.
More specifically, I'll mention that my wondering whether there was such
thing as an SDL was ended tonight in a mall parking lot when I saw an one.
Looked to be mid to late 80s. Of course long wheel base and top of the
line-looking, including headlight wipers.
So is the SDL simply a top of the line SD?
An "S" class car that's a diesel will be an "SD" and if the body is
longer than the standard sedan an L is added to the designation ("SDL").
Thru 1985 all "S" class diesels were SDs. In '86-87 all the "S" class
diesels were SDLs. In '90-'91 most were SDLs but a few SD were
manufactured. I believe that all the W140 diesels were in the shorter
chassis.
Marshall
--
Marshall Booth Ph.D.
Ass't Prof. (ret.)
Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [MBZ] SD vs. SDL
So is the SDL simply a top of the line SD? It's an S class diesel long wheelbase (SDL. SEL means S class einspritzer (gasser fuel injected) long wheelbase. Any cars without the L designation (300SD, 300SE, 380SE etc are short wheelbase models. I don't believe that there are such designations clearly badged on Mercedes vehicles anymore. Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 1983 300SDS 284K miles, Ursula
