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2015-06-07 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Penoff d...@penoff.com Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2015 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Slag hurts Hobart. Long time name in the industrial welding business, not far behind Miller and Lincoln. Dan who used to rebuild Miller 400A “buzz boxes” in his after school job. On Jun 7, 2015, at 9:19

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2015-06-07 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I've asked of it. Someday when I'm made of money ;) -Curt From: Dimitri via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Dimitri dsereta...@yahoo.com Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2015 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Slag hurts I didn't know that about

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2015-06-07 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Hobart. Long time name in the industrial welding business, not far behind Miller and Lincoln. Dan who used to rebuild Miller 400A “buzz boxes” in his after school job. On Jun 7, 2015, at 9:19 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I've never used a small 220v

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2015-06-07 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
a certified welder, he's a Miller man, went to their school... -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Okie Benz mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2015 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Slag hurts Hobart. Long time name

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2015-06-06 Thread Dimitri via Mercedes
I didn't know that about 110V machines. My welder is 110 and I make perfect butt welds on sheet metal but now I'm interested in trying a 220 machine. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 6, 2015, at 2:06 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I don't recall you saying. Is the welder you

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2015-06-06 Thread clay via Mercedes
The attempt yesterday was on uncleaned metal. The disk brake was much better, as it was only rusty, which I brushed off. I will use a grinder or wire wheel to clean up future training attempts. clay On Jun 5, 2015, at 3:42 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: PC boxes are most likely clad with

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2015-06-06 Thread clay via Mercedes
shirt that has leather arms. Its not the height of fashion buts nice to have that safety. -Curt From: Dimitri via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Dimitri dsereta...@yahoo.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 6:28 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ

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2015-06-06 Thread clay via Mercedes
If I can make welds that look and perform well enough with this garbage unit, I will move up to a real gas shielded product for future projects. If I can not keep from producing crap, I will give up on welding, having invested little in the attempt clay On Jun 5, 2015, at 3:28 PM, Dimitri

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2015-06-06 Thread clay via Mercedes
I am outside and will set up a fan to assist in moving toxins clay On Jun 5, 2015, at 3:53 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: Not just sick.. but dead. .. welding galvanized metal in an enclosed space will kill you. The antidote, however is to drink milk... being lactose intollerent isn't going

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2015-06-06 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sat, 6 Jun 2015 09:53:53 -0700 clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If I can make welds that look and perform well enough with this garbage unit, I will move up to a real gas shielded product for future projects. If I can not keep from producing crap, I will give up on welding,

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2015-06-06 Thread clay via Mercedes
See, I am still on the upward curve clay On Jun 6, 2015, at 12:51 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes wrote: You mean tack welds. Spot welds are made by a dedicated spot welder. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 6, 2015, at 3:31 PM, clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: It is the crap 90 amp

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2015-06-06 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
I didn't know that about 110V machines. My welder is 110 and I make perfect butt welds on sheet metal but now I'm interested in trying a 220 machine. Sent from my iPhone Nicest welder I have ever used was a huge old motor (electric) generator generating DC to weld with. I t weighed

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2015-06-06 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
Using a shit welder will make you give up on welding. Spend $600 on a real welder and make good welds from day one. Been there done that. Trust me. Sent from my iPhone The Master has spoken! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

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2015-06-06 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
Don't waste your time on anything but clean metal. Not 'til you have some experience, anyway. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

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2015-06-06 Thread clay via Mercedes
It is the crap 90 amp 115v cheapo unit. I want to get comfortable with it making beads, but intend to mostly spot weld the panels for the floor. With enough spots, I figure I can then do mini beads to link them. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch -

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2015-06-06 Thread Dimitri via Mercedes
You mean tack welds. Spot welds are made by a dedicated spot welder. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 6, 2015, at 3:31 PM, clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: It is the crap 90 amp 115v cheapo unit. I want to get comfortable with it making beads, but intend to mostly spot weld the

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2015-06-06 Thread clay via Mercedes
I have all of 40 minutes into the training as of this moment. I expect to have a few more hours and bits of metal under my belt by the end of next week. If I am still making welds that look like something you find in a diaper, I will re-evaluate my competence. clay On Jun 6, 2015, at 10:20

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2015-06-06 Thread Dimitri via Mercedes
Using a shit welder will make you give up on welding. Spend $600 on a real welder and make good welds from day one. Been there done that. Trust me. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 6, 2015, at 12:53 PM, clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If I can make welds that look and perform well

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2015-06-06 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
I don't recall you saying. Is the welder you got 110 volt.. or 220 volt? You will find 110 volt wire feeds struggle to hold a stable arc thus have larger variation in the weld puddle temp and size.. With experience, the welder can adjust his handling of the weld to compensate.. some.. but he will

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2015-06-05 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
Nomex underwear is required for the racetrack anyway so you may as well get it now! RB On 05/06/2015 1:28 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: I hit the HF tool sale and got myself a low end gasless MIG welder to learn on. Wire feed and the cheapo auto darkening mask. I read the instructions to

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2015-06-05 Thread Gerry Archer via Mercedes
Didn't someone (Curt?) say tht HF wire was no good and we must buy good wire from a regular welding supply dealer? Also, he should be sure pants legs go down over shoe or boot tops. A drop of liquid steel down in the shoe is a common event that can cause wild dancing and serious burns. Don't

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2015-06-05 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Welcome to the cult of vulcan. Put the hat on backwards, getto style to keep sparks from flying down your collar. Wear welders gloves with long cuffs, and wear at least a denium jacket to protect yourself from slag and UV flash. You can get badly sunburned while welding if your skin is exposed.

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2015-06-05 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
clay wrote: I could not get a decent bead using the PC carcasses and was getting a bunch of blow through. Thin sheet metal and gasless wirefeed is pretty tough. Set the wire feed and amperage low. And get some good wire. The HF wire is junk. ___

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2015-06-05 Thread clay via Mercedes
The wire is garbage, but it came free with the welder. May as well burn through it. setting up feed speed is hit and miss for now. It does not want to feed as slowly as the graph inside says I need it. There are two amperage speeds. Lots and not that much. I could not get much speed or

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2015-06-05 Thread clay via Mercedes
I am headed to the Goodwill outlet store to see what non-fashionable items I can repurpose to welding wear. The clothing sells by the pound. I found all manner of good stuff there for hunting and should come across busted leathers or other fire resistant items. I picked up some really nice

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2015-06-05 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
My brother-in-law had the hot slag in the boot issue one time. Just putting the pantleg over the boot does not prevent the problem if the slag burns through the pantleg which is what happened with him. Either lace up the top of the boot so it cannot get into the boot or else loosen the boot so

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2015-06-05 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
Didn't someone (Curt?) say tht HF wire was no good and we must buy good wire from a regular welding supply dealer? Also, he should be sure pants legs go down over shoe or boot tops. A drop of liquid steel down in the shoe is a common event that can cause wild dancing and serious burns. Don't

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2015-06-05 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
The only time welders wear pants with a cuff is the first day on the job. Any questions? haha.. Wire feed welders should not make a lot of slag if set correctly. If it is a flux core wire welder, it will make slag, if it is a gas envelope welder, hardly any sparks.. much nicer welds also. Worth

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2015-06-05 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
I will be looking for a better set of welding wear so I can keep from setting myself on fire. clay Cotton. No synthetics. I often weld in a tshirt and jeans. Nothing special. A long sleeve Wrangler cotton denim shirt is good too, if it is cool enough. mine has no holes in it, but I

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2015-06-05 Thread clay via Mercedes
I am going to play with this thing all next week. I figured the HF garbage flux core welder would be less expensive than a class with 30 other monkeys. If I get a really good handle on welding, then I would find a real welder at a pawn shop. Doing the floor pan repairs on the HF unit will

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2015-06-05 Thread Dimitri via Mercedes
Unless you use shielding gas you will be unhappy with your results. I promise! Sent from my iPhone On Jun 5, 2015, at 4:33 PM, clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The wire is garbage, but it came free with the welder. May as well burn through it. setting up feed speed is hit

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2015-06-05 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
I'm not a welder, but I understand that welding galvanised steel produces fumes that can make you sick? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or

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2015-06-05 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
PC boxes are most likely clad with galvanize material. Galvanizing requires the base metal be coated with Zinc compounds which can and WILL contaminate your weld, thus welds that look like bird droppings. The job of rod flux is to carry away the contaminates in the weld puddle, but the flux core

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2015-06-05 Thread Dimitri via Mercedes
Yes. Always grind off the galvanized area to clean metal before welding. If one really wants a clean weld, the area to be welded should be free from dirt, grease, paint and rust including the back side of the metal. Some people go as far as to wipe clean with denatured alcohol. Sent from my

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2015-06-05 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Not just sick.. but dead. .. welding galvanized metal in an enclosed space will kill you. The antidote, however is to drink milk... being lactose intollerent isn't going to help you there.. ha.. Remove the victim to fresh air quickly and vent the area of toxic gases. Of course. On Fri, Jun 5,

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2015-06-05 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
From: Dimitri via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Dimitri dsereta...@yahoo.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 6:28 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Slag hurts Unless you use shielding gas you will be unhappy with your results. I promise! Sent from my

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2015-06-05 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Slag hurts PC boxes are most likely clad with galvanize material. Galvanizing requires the base metal be coated with Zinc