Re: [MBZ] Some progress with Windows Update (but only a little ...)

2015-08-26 Thread clay via Mercedes
What flavor iMac?

I would maybe be wanting to find a new home for one.  Mom has a 2007 mini, but 
she needs a bit more ooomph to keep up with her heavy interweb usage

clay

On Aug 25, 2015, at 5:42 PM, Darren Marshall via Mercedes wrote:

 Changing out some machines at the office, might have a few iMacs looking for 
 new homes soonish--will throw in some bean for sure ;)
 
 Darren
 
 On Aug 25, 2015, at 7:01 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Darren wrote:
 Craig, let me know if you want to buy an iMac...
 
 $$ and iMac - I might like that...
 Tell us more?
 I go visit BowTruss and come home with fresh roasted coffee and old iMac.
 mao
 
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Re: [MBZ] Some progress with Windows Update (but only a little ...)

2015-08-25 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 01:27:50 -0400 (EDT) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


 It's working its heart out trying to figure out what has been installed
 and what has not?
 You might just leave it on overnight and see if it's back to normal in
 the morning.


I left it running overnight and came back to its saying it was installing
update 150 of 179. So there was some progress.


my old 10.6 still works flawlessly.  more and more websites don't 
like the safari browser, but that's ok.


SWMBO has 10.5 and it works just fine too, except that few websites 
like that version of safari, and chrome won't run on 10.5.  It is 
hard to find a browser to work on 10.5 other than extortionware. 
Still, It is so much nicer than winders with all its patches to patch 
the patches that were supposed to patch the prior patches and updates.


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Re: [MBZ] Some progress with Windows Update (but only a little ...)

2015-08-25 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
  Fmiser wrote:
 
  And I hear people complain about how hard it is to install
  Linux!
  

  Will what you need run with WINE?

 Craig wrote:
 
 I need to run the Garmin Updater. I don't know if it will
 work with WINE; I have never been able to get anything to
 run with WINE.

Oh.  I have occasional success with WINE.  

I bit of googling results in a couple successes with MapSource

http://www.peterverthez.net/gps/garmin-linux.html
http://www.foell.org/justin/garmin-mapsource-in-linux-wine/

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=231452

I have not tried any of it, but I do wonder which will be
more hassle - getting MSWin to update, or get Garmin to run
in WINE?

I suppose that's one of those questions that only hind-sight
can answer!

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Re: [MBZ] Some progress with Windows Update (but only a little ...)

2015-08-25 Thread Darren Marshall via Mercedes
Craig, let me know if you want to buy an iMac...

On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 4:31 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
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 On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 16:34:42 -0500 fmiser via Mercedes
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

  And I hear people complain about how hard it is to install
  Linux!
 
  I'm following your progress, Craig, 'cause one of these days
  I'm going to be stuck and have to upgrade my virtual machine
  guest from XP.
 
  I don't recall your reason for needing MSWin - but personally
  I would be re-evaluating that decision about now...
 
  Will what you need run with WINE?

 I need to run the Garmin Updater. I don't know if it will work with WINE;
 I have never been able to get anything to run with WINE.


 Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Some progress with Windows Update (but only a little ...)

2015-08-25 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 09:52:23 -0600 Craig via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 It has now developed a new problem: For the last hour-and-a-half at
 least, it has been stuck on Installing update 150 of 179... That
 update is KB2799926, in case that means anything.
 
 Does anyone have any ideas what to do now?

Well, after more than 5 hours of it trying to install the update, I
clicked on the Stop installation button. A little while later, a
message popped up mentioning installation progress, so I clicked on it.
That brought up Windows Update, showing it was installing update 150 of
179. Clicking on the Stop installation button again did nothing.

I tried to restart the computer, but it said it had to finish installing
the updates and to not shut it off. After a while, I held the power
button down until the screen went back. I rebooted it and took the option
of starting in Safe Mode. Now it says,

Failure configuring Windows updates
 Reverting changes
Do not turn off your computer

Ugh.

I did some research on-line about the problem and found
MicrosoftFixit.wu.MATSKB.Run.exe
and
Update.Readiness.Tool.Windows6.1-KB947821-v34-x86.msu
Maybe they will help.

I did find a download of Win7 SP1, but that's 1.9 GB, so I didn't
download it. That's still an option for tonight. I also found
winxpvirtualcdcontrolpanel_21.exe so I won't have to make a CD
with SP1 on it.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Some progress with Windows Update (but only a little ...)

2015-08-25 Thread Darren Marshall via Mercedes
Changing out some machines at the office, might have a few iMacs looking for 
new homes soonish--will throw in some bean for sure ;)

Darren

 On Aug 25, 2015, at 7:01 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Darren wrote:
 Craig, let me know if you want to buy an iMac...
 
 $$ and iMac - I might like that...
 Tell us more?
 I go visit BowTruss and come home with fresh roasted coffee and old iMac.
 mao
 
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Re: [MBZ] Some progress with Windows Update (but only a little ...)

2015-08-25 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
Speaking of computer software -- I have a Parallels window running on my 
Mac with a Win7 install, which works fine.  Yesterday I downloaded 
Ubuntu 15 and have tried to install it, it gets so far, looks like maybe 
it installed as a virtual machine OS but then it wants Parallel tools 
off the CD, but that doesn't work.  I found a tutorial that says to grab 
it off the Mac HD, which I found, but then it wants a terminal session 
in Ubuntu and it looks like Ubuntu install is hung with 4 dots, and I 
can't figure out how to open a terminal.


--R



On 8/25/15 5:31 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

I don't know if it will work with WINE;
I have never been able to get anything to run with WINE.



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Re: [MBZ] Some progress with Windows Update (but only a little ...)

2015-08-25 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
 Craig wrote:

  It has now developed a new problem: ...it has been stuck
  on Installing update 150 of 179... 

 ...after more than 5 hours ... I clicked on the Stop
 installation button. ... showing it was
 installing update 150 of 179. Clicking on the Stop
 installation button again did nothing.
 
 I tried to restart the computer, but it said ... not shut it
 off. ...I rebooted it ... Now it says,
  Failure ... Reverting  Do not turn off your computer

And I hear people complain about how hard it is to install
Linux!

I'm following your progress, Craig, 'cause one of these days
I'm going to be stuck and have to upgrade my virtual machine
guest from XP.

I don't recall your reason for needing MSWin - but personally
I would be re-evaluating that decision about now...

Will what you need run with WINE?

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Re: [MBZ] Some progress with Windows Update (but only a little ...)

2015-08-25 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 16:34:42 -0500 fmiser via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 And I hear people complain about how hard it is to install
 Linux!
 
 I'm following your progress, Craig, 'cause one of these days
 I'm going to be stuck and have to upgrade my virtual machine
 guest from XP.
 
 I don't recall your reason for needing MSWin - but personally
 I would be re-evaluating that decision about now...
 
 Will what you need run with WINE?

I need to run the Garmin Updater. I don't know if it will work with WINE;
I have never been able to get anything to run with WINE.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Some progress with Windows Update (but only a little ...)

2015-08-25 Thread Tim Crone via Mercedes
On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 5:57 PM, Darren Marshall via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 Craig, let me know if you want to buy an iMac...

Seems a little drastic.

Let me get out of the way that I am not a Windows guy.  At work I have
probably 30-50 Linux VMs outside IT that I've spun for various people,
and I spend less time managing those than the 5-10 long-running
Windows servers I've done.  I first installed Redhat 6 when that was
latest (not RHEL 6 :) and have had at least one Linux machine ever
since.  That said, the kids are using Windows at school, and so I have
had W7 on all my user machines at home for several years.

I've installed W7 probably 10 times at home (various
laptops/desktops/etc.), mostly on older machines.  It's always
performed better than XP on those systems, and for the most part
better than X Windows - at least from a startup/responsiveness
perspective.  These are home machines so are powered up and down all
the time. The kids log in, do stuff, and then I wipe the system and
install again after a while (aforementioned 'registry is stupid'
thought).  So far it has been pretty painless, but:
 1) I know where the drivers are for all the systems.  I usually stick
them on a USB the first time I have to get them, then update those I
can find the next install.
 2) I have figured out the trick for installing with the upgrade
licenses I have.  This is totally absurd but it's the game I play for
buying the cheap licenses.
 3) I always install on a fast-ish network, and plan to download all
the updates over the first few days.  I'll do one install the first
night, start the second in the morning, the third the next night, and
so on.  It's silly when I've been able to apt-get update since
forever, but it works.
 4) I forget to log out / power down at least once a week, so the
machine does its updates overnight on that day.
 5) HP printer drivers are bad.  The hacked ones on Linux are so much better.
 6) I once had to call in to proclaim to the lady that I was not using
the license elsewhere after a reinstall, but they've never hassled me
beyond that for redeploying it.

Really I think #3 is the key. Once everything is installed, the
updater does a good job keeping up, but the upgrades don't install
well out of order.  I assume they never fixed the requirement to
install updates in waves to account for this, but obviously it doesn't
work.  You can emulate this on a slower link by installing he latest
SP and then running updater, but that in itself is a pain. (For Craig,
if he was able to leave the system alone on the internet it would
eventually take care of itself, but it would probably take a few days
and obviously that's not reasonable on dialup.)

So, even though I'm a Linux geek, and tend to deploy them 5x as often
as Windows systems*, I think W7 is a decent OS, and a bit better than
XP on the same hardware.  You really don't have to be scared of it.

*Okay, that's hardly fair, we also have a lot of physical servers
outside IT: about 60% Unix, 20% each Linux/Windows, and one poor
little Mac Mini with a load of different OSX VMs.  But if we only
count general-computing x86 VMs...

Best,
Tim
wants to spend more time in the real Mercedes than the virtual PCs,
but one pays the bills and the other creates them :)

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