Re: [MBZ] Thanks Rusty was Power Steering

2006-02-02 Thread John Berryman


On Wednesday, February 1, 2006, at 04:22 PM, Marshall Booth wrote:


Mercedes revised the recommendation (236.2) for PS fluid in about
1987/1988 (236.3). They use an oil that's a little less viscous than
type A ATF (which is less viscous than Dexron II/III) and that isn't
treated with the Lubrisol additives. It is far superior (doesn't 
stiffen
up) to conventional Dexron in very cold weather (although the 
synthetics

that meet the Dexron/Mercon spec seem just fine). The Mercedes fluid is
recommended for ALL Mercedes PS systems, but ATF is still permissible
for any system that was originally factory filled with ATF (most any 
car

built before 1987). Using ATF in cars up to about 1995 will not cause
any major problem, but in cold weather, the steering may be more than a
little stiff.

Here's the result of some research on the subject by Dr Eric 
Chowanietz:




	I've felt things stiffen up with conventional Dexron III/Mercron and 
earlier Dexrons but never had the stiffness with Mobil 1 or Amsoil 
synthetic tranny fluid. I haven't moved and it still gets to 25 below 
around here.
	It seems Eric has mixed feelings on the application but he is spot on 
about the conventional ATF/Dexron  in the cold going on to say it could 
have better corrosion and lubricating qualities.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am


Re: [MBZ] Thanks Rusty was Power Steering

2006-02-01 Thread Gary Hurst
hard to imagine anyone shopping anywhere else!

On 2/1/06, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I got my power steering fluid and filter and filter already. WOW! That
 is fast service.   Has anyone noticed that the Mercedes Fluid smells
 like cat pee?   I opened the bottle to see what color it was and SHEESH
 that stuff smells awful.



 Donald H. Snook

 1990 300SEL

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Re: [MBZ] Thanks Rusty was Power Steering

2006-02-01 Thread Rusty Cullens
Ain't it the truth!

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hard to imagine anyone shopping anywhere else!

On 2/1/06, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I got my power steering fluid and filter and filter already. WOW! That
 is fast service.   Has anyone noticed that the Mercedes Fluid smells
 like cat pee?   I opened the bottle to see what color it was and
SHEESH
 that stuff smells awful.



 Donald H. Snook

 1990 300SEL

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Re: [MBZ] Thanks Rusty was Power Steering

2006-02-01 Thread LT Don
A pioneer in imported parts business, Rusty Cullens has been selling
foreign car parts for over 25 years. Now he brings his legendary service,
outstanding pricing and Southern hospitality to retail buyers via the
internet.

??

On 2/1/06, Rusty Cullens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Ain't it the truth!

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 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Thanks Rusty was Power Steering

 hard to imagine anyone shopping anywhere else!

 On 2/1/06, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I got my power steering fluid and filter and filter already. WOW! That
  is fast service.   Has anyone noticed that the Mercedes Fluid smells
  like cat pee?   I opened the bottle to see what color it was and
 SHEESH
  that stuff smells awful.
 
 
 
  Donald H. Snook
 
  1990 300SEL
 
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Re: [MBZ] Thanks Rusty was Power Steering

2006-02-01 Thread John Berryman


On Wednesday, February 1, 2006, at 12:21 PM, Donald Snook wrote:



I got my power steering fluid and filter and filter already. WOW! That
is fast service.   Has anyone noticed that the Mercedes Fluid smells
like cat pee?   I opened the bottle to see what color it was and SHEESH
that stuff smells awful.



Donald H. Snook



	That would be one good reason for me to continue using Amsoil 
Synthetic tranny fluid.


	Why do you choose PS fluid (that smells like cat piss or otherwise) 
over tranny fluid? I'm taking a survey so I may better serve my future 
Amsoil customers.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am


Re: [MBZ] Thanks Rusty was Power Steering

2006-02-01 Thread John Berryman


On Wednesday, February 1, 2006, at 12:33 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:


hard to imagine anyone shopping anywhere else!



Do you guys carry any other products that smell like cat piss?

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am


Re: [MBZ] Thanks Rusty was Power Steering

2006-02-01 Thread Rusty Cullens
Just some of Gary's clothing.

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On Wednesday, February 1, 2006, at 12:33 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

 hard to imagine anyone shopping anywhere else!


Do you guys carry any other products that smell like cat piss?

Johnny B.
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Re: [MBZ] Thanks Rusty was Power Steering

2006-02-01 Thread Gary Hurst
basically everything.  the place is just covered with cats here

On 2/1/06, John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 On Wednesday, February 1, 2006, at 12:33 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

  hard to imagine anyone shopping anywhere else!
 

Do you guys carry any other products that smell like cat piss?

 Johnny B.
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Re: [MBZ] Thanks Rusty was Power Steering

2006-02-01 Thread Gary Hurst
what clothing?  i wear the exact same clothing every day and it doesn't
smell of cat piss!

On 2/1/06, Rusty Cullens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Just some of Gary's clothing.

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 On Wednesday, February 1, 2006, at 12:33 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

  hard to imagine anyone shopping anywhere else!
 

Do you guys carry any other products that smell like cat piss?

 Johnny B.
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Re: [MBZ] Thanks Rusty was Power Steering

2006-02-01 Thread Donald Snook
Johnny B. wrote:

 

Why do you choose PS fluid (that smells like cat piss or otherwise) 

over tranny fluid? I'm taking a survey so I may better serve my future 

Amsoil customers.

 

I picked it because that is evidently what Mercedes recommends for a
1990 300SEL.  If I am going to pay the premium price for Mobil 1 ATF or
Amsoil ATF, then I might as well pay the price for the stuff that was
actually designed for the car.  It is not as if I am putting in the home
grown parts store brand of power steering fluid. 

 

 

Donald H. Snook

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300 West Douglas

P.O. Box 207

Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207

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have recieved this message in error, please delete it and notify me.  

 



Re: [MBZ] Thanks Rusty was Power Steering

2006-02-01 Thread John Berryman


On Wednesday, February 1, 2006, at 01:57 PM, Rusty Cullens wrote:


Just some of Gary's clothing.



Ewww!

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am


Re: [MBZ] Thanks Rusty was Power Steering

2006-02-01 Thread John Berryman


On Wednesday, February 1, 2006, at 02:04 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:


basically everything.  the place is just covered with cats here



	Open a Chinese Restaurant (so the urban myth goes). When they give you 
lemons, make lemonade.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am


Re: [MBZ] Thanks Rusty was Power Steering

2006-02-01 Thread John Berryman


On Wednesday, February 1, 2006, at 02:38 PM, Donald Snook wrote:



I picked it because that is evidently what Mercedes recommends for a
1990 300SEL.  If I am going to pay the premium price for Mobil 1 ATF or
Amsoil ATF, then I might as well pay the price for the stuff that was
actually designed for the car.  It is not as if I am putting in the 
home

grown parts store brand of power steering fluid.




	Is ATF approved for that new-fangled rig? I've drained it and 
replenished it in many customers cars over the years. I know at one 
time or another, I looked up that info.
	I wouldn't think you'd be getting junk from Rusty, furthest thing from 
my mind. I don't keep PS fluid around, AFIK ATF is good for almost 
everything.


Correction? comments?

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am


Re: [MBZ] Thanks Rusty was Power Steering

2006-02-01 Thread Marshall Booth

John Berryman wrote:

On Wednesday, February 1, 2006, at 02:38 PM, Donald Snook wrote:


I picked it because that is evidently what Mercedes recommends for a
1990 300SEL.  If I am going to pay the premium price for Mobil 1 ATF or
Amsoil ATF, then I might as well pay the price for the stuff that was
actually designed for the car.  It is not as if I am putting in the 
home

grown parts store brand of power steering fluid.

	Is ATF approved for that new-fangled rig? I've drained it and 
replenished it in many customers cars over the years. I know at one 
time or another, I looked up that info.
	I wouldn't think you'd be getting junk from Rusty, furthest thing from 
my mind. I don't keep PS fluid around, AFIK ATF is good for almost 
everything.


Mercedes revised the recommendation (236.2) for PS fluid in about 
1987/1988 (236.3). They use an oil that's a little less viscous than 
type A ATF (which is less viscous than Dexron II/III) and that isn't 
treated with the Lubrisol additives. It is far superior (doesn't stiffen 
up) to conventional Dexron in very cold weather (although the synthetics 
that meet the Dexron/Mercon spec seem just fine). The Mercedes fluid is 
recommended for ALL Mercedes PS systems, but ATF is still permissible 
for any system that was originally factory filled with ATF (most any car 
built before 1987). Using ATF in cars up to about 1995 will not cause 
any major problem, but in cold weather, the steering may be more than a 
little stiff.


Here's the result of some research on the subject by Dr Eric Chowanietz:


The MB manual transmission oil and PS oil (from memory 262.2 and 262.3 ??)
are basically old-fashioned non-friction modified hydraulic oils - as used
in old auto transmissions and farm machinery (Type A, Suffix A).  The PS
oil is a very slightly lighter weight than the manual transmission oil.
When you think about it the PS oil has a lot less work to do than the ATF -
it is a much simpler oil.  I'm sure ATF will 'work' perfectly well so long
as you are not in a *very* cold climate where the slightly higher viscosity
of the ATF might pose a problem. Indeed, a modern ATF probably has much
better corrosion-inhibiting properties and lubricates better than these
old-fashioned oils.

MB do not, of course, make their own oils.  The people at the Elf Oil
technical HQ told me that the MB PS oil was supplied by them.  I don't know
if this really is true, but they were able to quote both their own P/N and
the MB P/N right of the top of their heads - which sounded convincing to me.

Eric


Marshall
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