Re: [MBZ] This is whack

2015-07-02 Thread clay via Mercedes
The w220 is very korean.  #2 boy is back in the house for the summer.  He got 
to ride in the 140 and tells me my seats in the 220 are lame compared to the 
ones his brother enjoys.

clay


On Jun 25, 2015, at 3:06 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

 Yes I agree. I tend to think the 140 is under appreciated as well.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jun 25, 2015, at 4:40 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 If there was one thing about my W220 that’s a negative (in my mind) it’s the 
 styling.  It’s a wonderful car and has all sorts of very nice goodies, very 
 good to drive, etc., but in a parking lot it looks like every other car.  I 
 think the real distinctive MB design ended with the W140 as a far as sedans 
 go.
 
 Dan
 
 On Jun 25, 2015, at 5:32 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 I have not kept track of things closely enough so I might be wrong on this 
 but it appears to me that MB is now copying asian designs.
 A few years back it was the other way around. A friend has a nice 2000 
 Lexus sedan that on first glance makes me think Mercedes.
 Now, when I see a new Mercedes, I think, Hyundai until I can see the star.
 The new Mercedes do not look classy to me.
 I do suppose they are trying to appeal to a younger group than me.
 
 RB
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] This is whack

2015-06-25 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
AND it is really ugly. I don't care for the styling of the exterior or 
the dash.

I guess I am getting old. This one was built for wealthy young asian guys.

RB

On 25/06/2015 1:05 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

It was purchased with funny munny.

On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 2:03 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


7 yo car, looks to be in nice condition, 30% of initial price.  Wow.

https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5085216725.html

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Re: [MBZ] This is whack

2015-06-25 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
AND it is really ugly. I don't care for the styling of the exterior 
or the dash.

I guess I am getting old. This one was built for wealthy young asian guys.

RB

On 25/06/2015 1:05 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

It was purchased with funny munny.

On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 2:03 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


7 yo car, looks to be in nice condition, 30% of initial price.  Wow.

https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5085216725.html


Looks like a bug someone stepped on...  and black.  To quote the 
immortal words of Wilton, hafta let it go!


I'm with Randy.  fugly car.  I like the cars of the 60s through the 
end of the 124 and 126 chassis, before the bowtie guys took over and 
started hanging unreliable outdatable electronics crap all over. 
(Sorry Jaime, I know you do some whizbang things, but I kinda like 
the simplicity of the 110 and 123.)


Same with BMW Kraftrad.  I love all the old ones up through the /7. 
The R 9T is interesting, but not as pure as the older ones.  The /2 
with earles forks are works of art.


I may need to move to central MS and hang out with Vetch and learn 
the tricks of sourcing and restoring /2 and /5/6/7 BMW Kraftrad. 
Either that or I wanna restore tractors.  clean and simple.  The 
design of tractors in the 30s (and sold into the 50s) was clean and 
simple, so you don't scare away horse farmers.  Once nobody farmed 
with horses anymore (60s) tractors became much more complex and busy 
designs.


Now JD and Ag Leader kick apple and foogle's butts on the self 
driving front.  JD has had self driving tractors out for 20 years. 
Ag leader about as long, and Kinze is the new kid on the block.


The letter model JD and IH tractors are fun.  The other brands from 
that era are ok too.  Fergie and AC had some innovative things.


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Re: [MBZ] This is whack

2015-06-25 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
It was purchased with funny munny.

On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 2:03 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 7 yo car, looks to be in nice condition, 30% of initial price.  Wow.

 https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5085216725.html

 --R



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Re: [MBZ] This is whack

2015-06-25 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Yes I agree. I tend to think the 140 is under appreciated as well.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 25, 2015, at 4:40 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 If there was one thing about my W220 that’s a negative (in my mind) it’s the 
 styling.  It’s a wonderful car and has all sorts of very nice goodies, very 
 good to drive, etc., but in a parking lot it looks like every other car.  I 
 think the real distinctive MB design ended with the W140 as a far as sedans 
 go.
 
 Dan
 
 On Jun 25, 2015, at 5:32 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 I have not kept track of things closely enough so I might be wrong on this 
 but it appears to me that MB is now copying asian designs.
 A few years back it was the other way around. A friend has a nice 2000 Lexus 
 sedan that on first glance makes me think Mercedes.
 Now, when I see a new Mercedes, I think, Hyundai until I can see the star.
 The new Mercedes do not look classy to me.
 I do suppose they are trying to appeal to a younger group than me.
 
 RB
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] This is whack

2015-06-25 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
Agreed  but I also like the looks of the w211.
On Jun 25, 2015 6:06 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Yes I agree. I tend to think the 140 is under appreciated as well.

 Sent from my iPhone

  On Jun 25, 2015, at 4:40 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
  If there was one thing about my W220 that’s a negative (in my mind) it’s
 the styling.  It’s a wonderful car and has all sorts of very nice goodies,
 very good to drive, etc., but in a parking lot it looks like every other
 car.  I think the real distinctive MB design ended with the W140 as a far
 as sedans go.
 
  Dan
 
  On Jun 25, 2015, at 5:32 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
  I have not kept track of things closely enough so I might be wrong on
 this but it appears to me that MB is now copying asian designs.
  A few years back it was the other way around. A friend has a nice 2000
 Lexus sedan that on first glance makes me think Mercedes.
  Now, when I see a new Mercedes, I think, Hyundai until I can see the
 star.
  The new Mercedes do not look classy to me.
  I do suppose they are trying to appeal to a younger group than me.
 
  RB
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] This is whack

2015-06-25 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Beauty is in the eye...

I can't stand a 140, looks like an overweight 124, only worse.  The 220 looks 
like it has heft, but doesn't look fat.  Amazon warrior vs. Opera Fat Lady.
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Re: [MBZ] This is whack

2015-06-25 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
Don't know if they were any good but I liked the look of the 210. 
Friends had an E430 4matic and it was a beautiful car.


RB

On 25/06/2015 5:52 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:

Beauty is in the eye...

I can't stand a 140, looks like an overweight 124, only worse. The 
220 looks like it has heft, but doesn't look fat.  Amazon warrior vs. 
Opera Fat Lady.

--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300
__


To me a 140 looks like an overweight 124. Always has.  A 124 looks 
tiny beside a 123, and it reminds me of driving my Karmann Ghia, 
sitting sideways with your feet crammed into a tiny hole between the 
wheelwell and the tunnel.  Straight on from the rear a 140 looks like 
a baby Benz.  From the front and side a 140 looks like any other asian 
car.


RE: the aerodynamic arguments:  I call BS on the idea that because of 
cafe and fuel economy all cars have to look the same.  Two of the 
slickest cars ever:  VW beetle, and the Cord.  Both from the 30s. 
Neither look like the current load of carp.  The SS and SSK, 540K, 
300SL and even the lowly 190SL were not far from the slickest cars 
ever.  Even the adenauer was slick.  None of them look like the 
current load of crap (or carp, whichever you prefer) cars.


There is however the chicken and egg argument.  most asian cars copy 
everything MB does, and even beat MB to the market with new designs. 
It is hard to argue that.


The asian  manufacturing is much more agile than ameroEuro 
manufacturing.  Dr. Deming taught them well.  They have been at it for 
70 years, while the US has only been using agile manufacturing 20 
years, and it is slower catching on in Yurp.


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Re: [MBZ] This is whack

2015-06-25 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
I have not kept track of things closely enough so I might be wrong on 
this but it appears to me that MB is now copying asian designs.
A few years back it was the other way around. A friend has a nice 2000 
Lexus sedan that on first glance makes me think Mercedes.

Now, when I see a new Mercedes, I think, Hyundai until I can see the star.
The new Mercedes do not look classy to me.
I do suppose they are trying to appeal to a younger group than me.

RB


On 25/06/2015 4:16 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
AND it is really ugly. I don't care for the styling of the exterior 
or the dash.
I guess I am getting old. This one was built for wealthy young asian 
guys.


RB

On 25/06/2015 1:05 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

It was purchased with funny munny.

On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 2:03 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


7 yo car, looks to be in nice condition, 30% of initial price.  Wow.

https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5085216725.html


Looks like a bug someone stepped on...  and black.  To quote the 
immortal words of Wilton, hafta let it go!


I'm with Randy.  fugly car.  I like the cars of the 60s through the 
end of the 124 and 126 chassis, before the bowtie guys took over and 
started hanging unreliable outdatable electronics crap all over. 
(Sorry Jaime, I know you do some whizbang things, but I kinda like the 
simplicity of the 110 and 123.)


Same with BMW Kraftrad.  I love all the old ones up through the /7. 
The R 9T is interesting, but not as pure as the older ones. The /2 
with earles forks are works of art.


I may need to move to central MS and hang out with Vetch and learn the 
tricks of sourcing and restoring /2 and /5/6/7 BMW Kraftrad. Either 
that or I wanna restore tractors.  clean and simple.  The design of 
tractors in the 30s (and sold into the 50s) was clean and simple, so 
you don't scare away horse farmers.  Once nobody farmed with horses 
anymore (60s) tractors became much more complex and busy designs.


Now JD and Ag Leader kick apple and foogle's butts on the self driving 
front.  JD has had self driving tractors out for 20 years. Ag leader 
about as long, and Kinze is the new kid on the block.


The letter model JD and IH tractors are fun.  The other brands from 
that era are ok too.  Fergie and AC had some innovative things.


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Re: [MBZ] This is whack

2015-06-25 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
If there was one thing about my W220 that’s a negative (in my mind) it’s the 
styling.  It’s a wonderful car and has all sorts of very nice goodies, very 
good to drive, etc., but in a parking lot it looks like every other car.  I 
think the real distinctive MB design ended with the W140 as a far as sedans go.

Dan
 
 On Jun 25, 2015, at 5:32 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 I have not kept track of things closely enough so I might be wrong on this 
 but it appears to me that MB is now copying asian designs.
 A few years back it was the other way around. A friend has a nice 2000 Lexus 
 sedan that on first glance makes me think Mercedes.
 Now, when I see a new Mercedes, I think, Hyundai until I can see the star.
 The new Mercedes do not look classy to me.
 I do suppose they are trying to appeal to a younger group than me.
 
 RB
 
 


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Re: [MBZ] This is whack

2015-06-25 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
Aerodynamics and fuel economy standards drive a lot of the design and 
shape and openings and such.  It seems there is not a lot of latitude 
for designers when every maker is trying to get low drag. And the Asians 
are fairly adept at copying stuff so that their next iterations look a 
lot like the next iterations of whatever was copied, or vice-versa.


I saw something a coupla days ago that looked like the older E-class 
then when I got closer it was a Lexus or Hyundai or something.  It's 
like they bought the tooling for the lights and trunk and rear end and 
just built their own car.


I am waiting for the new Kia Dymaxion!

--R



On 6/25/15 5:40 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

If there was one thing about my W220 that’s a negative (in my mind) it’s the 
styling.  It’s a wonderful car and has all sorts of very nice goodies, very 
good to drive, etc., but in a parking lot it looks like every other car.  I 
think the real distinctive MB design ended with the W140 as a far as sedans go.

Dan
  

On Jun 25, 2015, at 5:32 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
wrote:

I have not kept track of things closely enough so I might be wrong on this but 
it appears to me that MB is now copying asian designs.
A few years back it was the other way around. A friend has a nice 2000 Lexus 
sedan that on first glance makes me think Mercedes.
Now, when I see a new Mercedes, I think, Hyundai until I can see the star.
The new Mercedes do not look classy to me.
I do suppose they are trying to appeal to a younger group than me.

RB




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Re: [MBZ] Crack or Whack?

2015-06-25 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
At first glance I thought you said crack whore, but maybe that applies also

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 I know these command high dollar these days, but….
 
 http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5092579872.html
 
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Re: [MBZ] This is whack

2015-06-25 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Yes they are decent cars

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 25, 2015, at 6:12 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Don't know if they were any good but I liked the look of the 210. Friends had 
 an E430 4matic and it was a beautiful car.
 
 RB
 
 On 25/06/2015 5:52 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
 Beauty is in the eye...
 
 I can't stand a 140, looks like an overweight 124, only worse. The 220 
 looks like it has heft, but doesn't look fat.  Amazon warrior vs. Opera Fat 
 Lady.
 -- 
 Max Dillon
 Charleston SC
 '87 300TD
 '95 E300
 __
 
 To me a 140 looks like an overweight 124. Always has.  A 124 looks tiny 
 beside a 123, and it reminds me of driving my Karmann Ghia, sitting sideways 
 with your feet crammed into a tiny hole between the wheelwell and the 
 tunnel.  Straight on from the rear a 140 looks like a baby Benz.  From the 
 front and side a 140 looks like any other asian car.
 
 RE: the aerodynamic arguments:  I call BS on the idea that because of cafe 
 and fuel economy all cars have to look the same.  Two of the slickest cars 
 ever:  VW beetle, and the Cord.  Both from the 30s. Neither look like the 
 current load of carp.  The SS and SSK, 540K, 300SL and even the lowly 190SL 
 were not far from the slickest cars ever.  Even the adenauer was slick.  
 None of them look like the current load of crap (or carp, whichever you 
 prefer) cars.
 
 There is however the chicken and egg argument.  most asian cars copy 
 everything MB does, and even beat MB to the market with new designs. It is 
 hard to argue that.
 
 The asian  manufacturing is much more agile than ameroEuro manufacturing.  
 Dr. Deming taught them well.  They have been at it for 70 years, while the 
 US has only been using agile manufacturing 20 years, and it is slower 
 catching on in Yurp.
 
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Re: [MBZ] This is whack

2015-06-25 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

Beauty is in the eye...

I can't stand a 140, looks like an overweight 124, only worse.  The 
220 looks like it has heft, but doesn't look fat.  Amazon warrior 
vs. Opera Fat Lady.

--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300
__


To me a 140 looks like an overweight 124. Always has.  A 124 looks 
tiny beside a 123, and it reminds me of driving my Karmann Ghia, 
sitting sideways with your feet crammed into a tiny hole between the 
wheelwell and the tunnel.  Straight on from the rear a 140 looks like 
a baby Benz.  From the front and side a 140 looks like any other 
asian car.


RE: the aerodynamic arguments:  I call BS on the idea that because of 
cafe and fuel economy all cars have to look the same.  Two of the 
slickest cars ever:  VW beetle, and the Cord.  Both from the 30s. 
Neither look like the current load of carp.  The SS and SSK, 540K, 
300SL and even the lowly 190SL were not far from the slickest cars 
ever.  Even the adenauer was slick.  None of them look like the 
current load of crap (or carp, whichever you prefer) cars.


There is however the chicken and egg argument.  most asian cars copy 
everything MB does, and even beat MB to the market with new designs. 
It is hard to argue that.


The asian  manufacturing is much more agile than ameroEuro 
manufacturing.  Dr. Deming taught them well.  They have been at it 
for 70 years, while the US has only been using agile manufacturing 20 
years, and it is slower catching on in Yurp.


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Re: [MBZ] Crack or Whack?

2015-06-25 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Is it a W111?

On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 8:40 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Drool worthy none  the less.
 On Jun 25, 2015 7:15 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 wrote:

  I know these command high dollar these days, but….
 
  http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5092579872.html
 
  Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Crack or Whack?

2015-06-25 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
Drool worthy none  the less.
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 I know these command high dollar these days, but….

 http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5092579872.html

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